It still appears unlikely that the Padres will sign Chase Headley to an extension, Jon Heyman of CBS Sports reports. "This has been a topic for a couple years. There's been dialogue. Both sides have tried. We just haven't been able to agree to the essential deal parameters," says GM Josh Byrnes. "There are no active discussions. But the door's always open."
Heyman notes that both Headley and the Padres agree that they aren't likely to find common ground on an extension. Last month, Headley told reporters that it would be "not fair" to his teammates if extension talks distracted the team from its goals, and that it seemed likely that the two sides would hold off on extension talks until after the season, at which point Headley will be a free agent.
Headley hit .250/.347/.400 in 600 plate appearances in 2013, significantly worse than his banner 2012 season. Headley noted last month that the large difference between the two seasons made it tough to negotiate a deal. Headley is represented by Excel Sports Management.
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ammmiiiiright?!
Considering their bottomless pockets and their pressing need for a 3B, yeah I’d say they’re in the lead to sign him.
Shortstop is a much bigger need for the Yankees next year. Besides I’m not sure A-Rod won’t return at least for the 2015 season before the Yankees buy him out for the final 2 years (2016 and 2017) of his contract.
As long as Arod brings fans to the stadium, I don’t see them buying out his contract.
I don’t think many Yankee fans go to the Stadium to see A-Rod these days. Living in NY, most fans I talk to despise Rodriguez’ antics at this point..
Well of course everyone hates Arod lol. But people sure came out to watch his first game back at the stadium last season, although most came to boo him.
Another one good year player.
Well, if you look at OPS+, Headley has actually been an above average hitter in 5 seasons.
A consistent 30 double, 12 or so HR player who walks a little under 12% of the time [Headley is at 11.8% the last 3 seasons] probably not quite as appealing as a guy who is hitting 30+ HR, but most 3B aren’t hitting 30+ HR.
Nobody argues that Headley is an above average player, the problem is that he´s asking for elite player type of money. He deserves a solid 4 year 60MM extension, but it seems he´s asking for a 100+MM deal.
I haven’t seen any hard numbers quoted, so I can’t comment on what Chase Headley may or may not be theoretically asking for as compensation.
He’s been an above average, if slightly unspectacular, hitter thus far in his career with one really big season. If he manages to repeat that season, or approach it, it could alter what the market will bear for his services. Headley has the collectively bargained right to explore that market and if he thinks he can get something better than what San Diego is offering, good on him.
If you saw numbers for him that said Headley hit .293/.366/.453 what would you say he should be paid?
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Those are his road numbers.
At Petco he hit .243/.334 while visiting 3B hit .229/.301.
The park he plays in is the hardest to get a hit and the hardest by far for LHB to get a hr.
Actually, since they brought the fences in in right field its become a lot easier for lefties to hit home runs. That’s why Will Venable got over 20+ last season. He hit so many home runs to that area that I started calling it “The Will Venable Deck.”
I haven’t seen any hard numbers quoted, so I can’t comment on what Chase Headley may or may not be theoretically asking for as compensation.
He’s been an above average, if slightly unspectacular, hitter thus far in his career with one really big season. If he manages to repeat that season, or approach it, it could alter what the market will bear for his services. Headley has the collectively bargained right to explore that market and if he thinks he can get something better than what San Diego is offering, good on him.
Hell, I think 4/60 is double what he should get.
Why? He is top 5 at his position in MLB. Why shouldn’t he be paid like it?
No one is hitting 30 home runs in Petco. Adrian Gonzales was only one over 30 since the park opened.
31 doubles, 14 home runs, 14 sb average since 2009 when he because a starter. 2009 was in LF, 2010-2013 at 3B.
Headley better hope he has a better year then he did in 2013 otherwise a QO by the Padres after this season could be the kiss of death for Headley.
That’s if he gets the QO. San Diego isn’t a profligate organization. If he plays at the same level as last year, given what’s happening to Drew, he might take the offer. That’s something they probably don’t want.
He will be getting a QO according to this link from this very same blog MLBTR; mlbtraderumors.com/2014/03/nl-west-notes-jobe-mayb…
I saw that, but he’s still going to need to stay healthy and perform. The offer of a QO is really a threat to get him to the negotiating table. If he stays at a 3-4 WAR player, they likely give him the offer. If he slip, or spends a lot of time on the DL, perhaps not. He’s a third baseman/outfielder and not really a power bat.
All he needs to do is perform to his career average and he is still a top 5 player at 3B with the bat and he is going to get paid big time.
Headley taking a Q.O. would be the most perfect scenario for the Pads. Buys them another year to fill their 3B or 2B with minor league depth.
As a Padres fan, My gut tells me that Headley will do just fine as a free agent. Lots of decadent big market teams (Dodgers, Yankees) are looking for a 3B.
That’s if he gets the QO. San Diego isn’t a profligate organization. If he plays at the same level as last year, given what’s happening to Drew, he might take the offer. That’s something they probably don’t want.
He will probably be signed by the Yankees for around $120 million over 7 years regardless of the season he has this season. He will hit around .300-.310 with 35 home runs playing in Yankee Stadium and the other bandboxes in the AL East.
Padres are hoping some team that needs a 3B empties their farm system for him.
That has no chance of happening after his ho hum 2013 season.
I agree completely.
Not to mention that this is the final year of his contract and that if he is not traded by opening day, his new team cannot give him a QO at the end of the year.
The Padres likely will be in the hunt for contention at the deadline, so Headley won’t be traded regardless.
People keep saying he’s only had one good season, but he has a career slash line of: .269/.350/.415 with a 115 OPS+. Considering he’s playing at Petco Park for half of his games, I’d call that pretty remarkable. His only problem is staying healthy, but I think it’s a little harsh to make light of his ability. He’s a fine player that can’t stay healthy. If he had been healthy last season, he’d probably already signed his extension in SD. A team in their market can’t afford to take a risk to keep him long term like a New York team could given his past injuries.
Very unlikely he signs an extension with the Padres and that’s not because of concerns about his health. Headley wants to get elite money (>$15mil) while the Padres don’t want to offer him that much.
Doesn’t the 115 OPS+ take the park into the factor anyway?
Doesn’t the 115 OPS+ take the park into the factor anyway?
OPS+ takes park factors in consideration.
OPS+ takes park factors in consideration.
Since 2009, when he became a regular, Headley has average 149 games per season. I think any team would be happy with that. Last season he played 141 games through a medial collateral ligament injury he suffered in spring training that ends most seasons. Plus he had a broken thumb in spring training.
His career .293/.366 road BA/OBP are near the top of the league. At Petco he has hit .243/.334 while visiting 3B have hit .229/.301 over the same time period.
He is one of the top defenders at his position.
If the Padres let him walk, he is going to get 6-7 years and $17+ million AAV from some team like the Yankees, Red Sox or Dodgers.
Time to put him on the market. Make a move for Nick Franklin and move Gyorko to third. Its obvious he doesn’t want to stay in San Diego.
Nick Franklin is not nearly enough for the 5th best 3B in the game.
Not sure where I suggested trading him for Headley or even would I consider trading him straight up.
Do the Yankees have anyone who they can give the Padres to get Headley now and lock him up to a long-term deal? They-can concern themselves with A-Rod next year. At worst, he can DH and learn to play first base and the corner outfield positions on occasion, spelling Beltran, Gardner, Headley, and Texeira when necessary.
If the Yankees are going to be stuck paying A-Rod $61MM over the next three years, plus whatever bonuses he earns, they can play him wherever they want to play him and if he wants to play, he will accept the role of a super-utility player.
Would the Padres have any interest in Yangervis Solarte who has had a phenomenal spring thus far? Would they want Dean Anna back? How about Zoilo Almonte, Tyler Austin, Slade Heathcott, or Mason Williams? Ivan Nova? Vidal Nuno? David Phelps? Michael Pineda? Adam Warren?
Solarte and Anna have no value until they do something in the majors, their PCL stats aren’t impressive when it comes to trade-talks. I personally wouldn’t want to give away any of our outfield prospects (not that they have much value anyways) Almonte is best as a 4th outfielder, we shouldn’t be trading away any of our pitchers when we need all of those arms this season. The only thing we have to trade is our catchers but I’m not sure they need a Cervelli, Murphy, or Romine. Even that alone won’t get us Headley
What other MLB teams need a 3B? Could they offer the Padres more than a package including Anna or Solarte, one of the aforementioned outfielders, one of the aforementioned pitchers, and one of the aforementioned catchers? If the Padres are not going to be able to resign Headley, I would like to believe that four prospects like these should be enough to get him, but I would want to make this deal before Opening Day not in July and have a 72-hour negotiating window with Headley to be able to lock him up long-term. 6 years and $90MM with a team option for a 7th year and an additional $20MM should be fair for both the Yankees and Headley. Am I wrong?
The thing is, PCL offensive numbers are inflated so if you see a guy batting .300 that doesn’t mean he is necessarily a good hitter. This is why its hard to value Anna or Solarte, we don’t know how their offensive numbers will translate to MLB. Both of them were a bit slow developing in the minors and this might also cause teams to not want them. Our prospects aren’t very good and are coming off bad seasons, they need
to show they have talent in order to regain their value. The Yankees have nothing to trade with in order to get Headley, and if he is traded, (which he probably won’t be) it will likely be in the middle of the season if they Padres are out of contention. The only thing we have to trade are our catchers and the White Sox and Diamondbacks both need young catching. Both of these teams have infielders who are tradable.
The thing is, PCL offensive numbers are inflated so if you see a guy batting .300 that doesn’t mean he is necessarily a good hitter. This is why its hard to value Anna or Solarte, we don’t know how their offensive numbers will translate to MLB. Both of them were a bit slow developing in the minors and this might also cause teams to not want them. Our prospects aren’t very good and are coming off bad seasons, they need
to show they have talent in order to regain their value. The Yankees have nothing to trade with in order to get Headley, and if he is traded, (which he probably won’t be) it will likely be in the middle of the season if they Padres are out of contention. The only thing we have to trade are our catchers and the White Sox and Diamondbacks both need young catching. Both of these teams have infielders who are tradable.
Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers all need a proven 3B. All 3 can afford the $17+ million AAV it will take to get him signed. 6-7 years at $102-120 million.
Zoilo Almonte, NO, Tyler Austin, NO,Slade Heathcott,NO, or Mason Williams?NO, Ivan Nova? NO,Vidal Nuno? NO,David Phelps?NO, Michael Pineda? NO,Adam Warren?NO,
Zoilo Almonte, NO, Tyler Austin, NO,Slade Heathcott,NO, or Mason Williams?NO, Ivan Nova? NO,Vidal Nuno? NO,David Phelps?NO, Michael Pineda? NO,Adam Warren?NO,
I just don’t see it. Even if you could find enough talent in the Yankee system, you would be further denuding it for yet another high-priced player. A-Rod may very well be dead money, but they still have to put him on the roster and give him a chance to get into the lineup. The Yankees just did their spend. Now they need to figure out whether they can put the rest of Humpty Dumpty back together again without another 100M contract.
Well said
Well said
I just don’t see it. Even if you could find enough talent in the Yankee system, you would be further denuding it for yet another high-priced player. A-Rod may very well be dead money, but they still have to put him on the roster and give him a chance to get into the lineup. The Yankees just did their spend. Now they need to figure out whether they can put the rest of Humpty Dumpty back together again without another 100M contract.
Why would the Padres want Dean Anna back? They traded him for peanuts in the first place. He’s not a major league SS. He doesn’t have the range. He can hit in the PCL, but no major league numbers yet.
Dean Anna holds no value to the Padres, who would have more than likely released Dean after this year. Hence why they traded him for a player like Pallus. They have no confidence in him to the point where he was hitting over .330 last year in Tucson, AAA affiliate, at the time of Gyorko’s injury and Cabrera’s suspension and decided to fill their bench with other options from the outside to the tune of Ronny Cedeno. I think your way overvaluing both Solarte and Anna. Theyre not even considered MLB level talent, they are depth players and AAA roster fillers. Headley wont ever fetch any talent from the Yanks that is worthy of losing a 30-40th overall pick in 2015 draft. Besides, Josh Byrnes is slightly naive, thinks the Padres have a shot at competing in the NL West this year, he wouldnt trade Headley at this point in time anyhow… unless it yielded a top tier prospect or more.
Dean Anna holds no value to the Padres, who would have more than likely released Dean after this year. Hence why they traded him for a player like Pallus. They have no confidence in him to the point where he was hitting over .330 last year in Tucson, AAA affiliate, at the time of Gyorko’s injury and Cabrera’s suspension and decided to fill their bench with other options from the outside to the tune of Ronny Cedeno. I think your way overvaluing both Solarte and Anna. Theyre not even considered MLB level talent, they are depth players and AAA roster fillers. Headley wont ever fetch any talent from the Yanks that is worthy of losing a 30-40th overall pick in 2015 draft. Besides, Josh Byrnes is slightly naive, thinks the Padres have a shot at competing in the NL West this year, he wouldnt trade Headley at this point in time anyhow… unless it yielded a top tier prospect or more.
Why would you want the Padres to trade Headley now? And why for a bunch of nobodies? If we trade Headley then we have no one to play 3rd base.
Do the Yankees have anyone who they can give the Padres to get Headley now and lock him up to a long-term deal? They-can concern themselves with A-Rod next year. At worst, he can DH and learn to play first base and the corner outfield positions on occasion, spelling Beltran, Gardner, Headley, and Texeira when necessary.
If the Yankees are going to be stuck paying A-Rod $61MM over the next three years, plus whatever bonuses he earns, they can play him wherever they want to play him and if he wants to play, he will accept the role of a super-utility player.
Would the Padres have any interest in Yangervis Solarte who has had a phenomenal spring thus far? Would they want Dean Anna back? How about Zoilo Almonte, Tyler Austin, Slade Heathcott, or Mason Williams? Ivan Nova? Vidal Nuno? David Phelps? Michael Pineda? Adam Warren?
Ship him off to Seattle in a deal for Nick Franklin. We send Headley, hedges, and guy like burch smith and the padres get Franklin and morban back plus another prospect like Victor Sanchez The mariners get Headley to play first with Seager at 3rd hart at DH and Morrison in right. They can ship hedges and smith in a deal to the rays for price or keep hedges and ship Zunino. If all else fails the mariners can extend a QO to Headley.
Wouldn’t Hedges and Franklin have similar value? This just seems a bit lopsided in Seattle’s favor from a value standpoint, plus Seattle doesn’t need more 1B types. Headley’s 2015 FA stock also takes a major hit by not playing third.
Hedges isn’t as touted as Franklin. He’s regarded for his defense not his bat thus far. Plus the padres have no foreseeable infield depth. They have a plethora of pitching and a guy like victor Sanchez gives them a little back what they lost in the Alex Torres deal. And morban adds to the young outfield depth the padres do seem lack as well. It does favor the mariners but given their circumstances no depth and no way of resigning Headley they somewhat have to if they want a guy like Franklin. As far as seattles 1B issues they’d surely welcome an upgrade from Smoak and they haven’t taken morales back. As far as Headley his value is directly tied to his production. He’s never been a power 3B; he has a guy like cano protecting him he’ll excel and get a massive pay day.
Headley needs to get out a pitching environment if he wants to adequately raise his stock, plus being a third baseman inherently makes him more valuable. There aren’t many good third basemen becoming available in the foreseeable future as all except Pablo Sandoval are locked up long-term, and even Sandoval may be before he hits the open market. The Padres could package Hedges and Headley together in a trade for more than Franklin, is my point. Combined, H & H have a lot more value than Nick Franklin. The Padres actually have MLB-ready outfield depth with Quentin, Venable, Denorfia, and Maybin all under contract..
Quentin and Maybin haven’t been able to stay healthy. Venable and Denorfia are in their 30s. 2 years we will have a whole new outfield. Trading Headley and Hedges for Franklin, outfielder morban, and Sanchez a RHP arm as Benoit is a 2 year fix and we have no foreseeable closer. We could get more for hedges and Headley but they wouldn’t get an mlb ready player like Franklin. They’d get guys 1 or 2 years away. I’d like to see them get something to help now with what we lose in Headley. It’s either trade Headley before opening day, trade him at the all star which will yield less cause a team can’t extend an offer, or extend an offer and he rejects and we get an extra pick. I’d rather have the infield outfield relief arm. It’s a rough outline the padres could ask for a better arm in return they have many too.
Headley alone is worth more than Franklin. Period. Hedges is a top 30 prospect in baseball. Franklin is expendable for Seattle and may not make the 25 man roster.
Headley needs to get out a pitching environment if he wants to adequately raise his stock, plus being a third baseman inherently makes him more valuable. There aren’t many good third basemen becoming available in the foreseeable future as all except Pablo Sandoval are locked up long-term, and even Sandoval may be before he hits the open market. The Padres could package Hedges and Headley together in a trade for more than Franklin, is my point. Combined, H & H have a lot more value than Nick Franklin. The Padres actually have MLB-ready outfield depth with Quentin, Venable, Denorfia, and Maybin all under contract..
Hedges isn’t as touted as Franklin. He’s regarded for his defense not his bat thus far. Plus the padres have no foreseeable infield depth. They have a plethora of pitching and a guy like victor Sanchez gives them a little back what they lost in the Alex Torres deal. And morban adds to the young outfield depth the padres do seem lack as well. It does favor the mariners but given their circumstances no depth and no way of resigning Headley they somewhat have to if they want a guy like Franklin. As far as seattles 1B issues they’d surely welcome an upgrade from Smoak and they haven’t taken morales back. As far as Headley his value is directly tied to his production. He’s never been a power 3B; he has a guy like cano protecting him he’ll excel and get a massive pay day.
That’s crazy alright. Hedges?! LOL.
Hedges is our catcher of the future…not happening. Plus Franklin is on the block, so why would they Padres give up dollar for dollar on him?
Ship him off to Seattle in a deal for Nick Franklin. We send Headley, hedges, and guy like burch smith and the padres get Franklin and morban back plus another prospect like Victor Sanchez The mariners get Headley to play first with Seager at 3rd hart at DH and Morrison in right. They can ship hedges and smith in a deal to the rays for price or keep hedges and ship Zunino. If all else fails the mariners can extend a QO to Headley.
What does a Headley extension even look like? The man’s gone 4.4-2.3-7.2-3.6 in WAR since 2010… does he value as a 4-win player? He’s been 3.6+ in three of the last four seasons. His skillset at this point seems relatively established; 100 to 120 wRC+, so average to a bit above average with the bat, solidly above average defense, durable. That’s got real value, and he always has the potential of repeating 2012 in a new ballpark. Does he get five years on the open market? What price? Could he get 80+ MM on the open market? He’s a really confusing player for me.
6-7 years with AAV or $17+ million.
7 @ 17 is the Carlos Beltran contract and pretty close to Jayson Werth/Vernon Wells/Barry Zito territory (7 @ 18) and I don’t think Headley gets that. I could see 7 @ 15, 6 @ 16 or 5 @ 17
To put this guy in perspective. His BEST year is on par with one of A-Rod’s worst years. His stats aren’t anything special. Who is who:
72 R 15 HR 71 RBI 13 SB .260/.350/.419
75 R 14 HR 71 RBI 17 SB .277/.415/.404
83 R 19 HR 68 RBI 12 SB .253/.335/.427
78 R 12 HR 74 RBI 14 SB .292/.329/.429
1 – Headly; 2 – Alexei Ramirez; 3 – Kelly Johnson; 4 – Howie Kendrick. None of these guys would be confused with an elite player. And the 3 comparables play 2B/SS. These are baseball reference 162 game splits for careers.
Somehow I’m fairly sure Alexei Ramirez does not have a .415 career OBP. And, well, Petco Park is a thing that depresses Headley’s numbers.
Typo .315
You don’t need to be an “elite” player to be paid handsomely in major league baseball. If you are consistently above average at the plate and in the field, you will get paid.
I’m also not sure how relevant Alex Rodriguez is as a benchmark, since we don’t know what his baseline is on account of him being on steroids since high school.
I don’t see the value triple digit dollar value in a defensive 3B whose bat is best suited as a 2B.
You don’t need to be an “elite” player to be paid handsomely in major league baseball. If you are consistently above average at the plate and in the field, you will get paid.
I’m also not sure how relevant Alex Rodriguez is as a benchmark, since we don’t know what his baseline is on account of him being on steroids since high school.
To put this guy in perspective, he is clean and none of Aroid’s numbers matter.
What does matter is how well Headley has played since he became a full time 3B in 2010. Headley is top 5 in park adjusted offense at 3B during that time frame. Top 5 is elite.
You may want to look into park factors some time if you think that playing in Petco is the same as playing in the launching pads they call Yankee Stadium, Fenway Park, Camden Yards and Rogers Centre.
Take a good look at Headley’s road numbers for an idea of just how good of a hitter he is. .293/.366/.453 puts him in some elite company. Also realize that while Headley hit .243/.334 at Petco, visiting 3B hit .229/.301 at Petco from 2010-2013. Overall, non-pitchers hit .230/.317 at Petco since 2010.
Headley also plays top 5 defense at 3B.
Combined it equals a great player who will get a 6-7 year deal worth more than $17 million per season. The Padres obviously cant afford that, but that doesnt mean the Yankees wont jump on signing Headley. Or that the Red Sox and Dodgers wont be in on him at that price too.
As a 3B 17MM value just is not there. He’s more like Prado’s 4/40MM. Juan Uribe has more value per game than Headley. Stellar defense isn’t the end-all-be-all. If I’m ranking 2015 3B FA options:
1- HanRam, 2- Sandoval, 3- ARam, 4 – Hardy, 5 – Headley, 6-etc Johnson/Callapso
Headley is definitely before Aramis and Hardy, who will still be a SS. Hanley probably remains at SS near-term too. Sandoval I could see over Headley. You’re severely underestimating Petco.
If David Wright played only 1/2 seasons, he’d be Headley’s twin.
He should of cashed in on that crazy 2nd half season he had in 2012. Too late now.
The Padres are going to dodge a bullet with this one.
Obviously Chase isn’t going to sign an extension with the Padres. He’s just going to play out his last season under contract the Padres, try to have a great season so that the other teams don’t think that 2012 was a fluke (it was), let himself hit the open market and sign with whoever offers him the most money. I don’t think the Yankees will sign him in 2015 because they already have Rodriguez at 3rd after 2014 is over.
Headley doesn’t have to TRY to have a great season. He has been a top 5 3B on offense and on defense since he started playing 3B full time in 2010. Hitting .260 as a Padres = hitting .300 in an AL East ballpark. Take a look at his road numbers and you will see why other teams are drooling over the chance to sign him.
The Padres will get a back of the 1st round pick for placing the tag on him, but he will still sign a huge contract with the Dodgers, Yankees or Red Sox anyway. Padres lose. Other team and Headley win.
Once again the Padres will lose out on the face of the franchise, because they could not pay him to stay. A sad fact of MLB today is that teams in small markets, and SD is the 27th largest TV market in baseball, cant afford to keep top level players in their prime.
Chase Headley has hit .293/.366 on the road and .243/.334 at home while visiting 3B have hit .229/.301 at Petco. He is significantly better than all but a handful of 3B and his numbers prove that. Why is that so hard for so many to understand?