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Chioakcisco
In all seriousness, it’s crazy to think that the whole A’s draft class that “Moneyball” was based on turned out to be a mild bust. The gambles that Oakland took didn’t pan out at all.
dcamp
well, they also overhauled their entire mlb roster that very year. it wasn’t like their moneyball philosophies applied ONLY to the draft and nowhere else and wouldn’t be seen in action for years. it is a bit strange they had such a weak draft class with so many good picks, but the draft is such a crapshoot in the first place.
Chioakcisco
They still had the Big 3, and Billy Koch filled Isringhausen’s role quite well, so on that end they did alright.
I’m just a bit saddened that none of the gambles panned out at all, save for Mark Kiger becoming the answer to an interesting piece of MLB trivia.
Dock_Elvis
I’m nor sure why they took a player like Jeremy Brown so high. I can’t recall… but wasn’t he projected to go much late? Too early… like someone taking a closer in the 1st rd of a fantasy draft
thesultanofswingandmiss
I think Brown was projected to be undrafted. So huge reach for Beane
Dock_Elvis
If the consensus was a non-draft on Brown then even drafting the qualities the A’s valued him for would be absurd for the 1st rd. Even as a signability pick. I have to believe the A’s felt he’d go fairly high to make that leap.
Dave 32
An alternate title for this might be “is an early draft pick really relevant to a team’s success?” as none of those teams did anything with the players they drafted.
The draft’s a big crapshoot, most teams don’t do it well, most players don’t survive the minors. Baseball’s crazy.
wildabeast4
I would argue that the Giants certainly did something with Matt Cain.
Mil8Ball
…what…they did nothing? Prince Fielder was a huge piece of the 2008 and 2011 Brewers. Matt Cain a huge piece with two WS rings. Sorry but you comment is way wrong.
Dave 32
One player out of approximately 60 is not “doing something”.
If you had one hit out of 60 attempts at anything in the business world you’d be a failure or absurdly lucky. That’s my entire point.
Most teams are failures in the draft overwhelmingly to the point that they are just as well off throwing darts and picking randomly since their success rate is approximately going to match what their scouting and intelligence picks up.
johnsilver
It has to be the Reds, just for Votto alone and then take your pick from Cain, Hamels, Lester and Grienke.
I don’t understand all the votes for some of the teams that drafted well, but not for top flight talent. True.. They did get some good people, but not talent along the lines of those guys, who would be called a “home run” several years after a draft and had established themselves.
Matt Newton
McCann??
Joe Valenti
The draft is so flukey I felt it was hard to call a draft good based off one guy. I looked for the team that seemed to have the most guys who contributed on the MLB level, and that’s why I voted for the Dodgers
Dock_Elvis
Signing bonuses also need to be considered. Much talent was driven down the board by signing demands. Some of the most elite talent was going late 1st and even into the 3rd by demands
Joe Valenti
Yea, when I was voting I thought about looking into that, but without any previous knowledge of who was demanding what, I just saw that as too much work
John Cate
The Dodgers took a 25 WAR and counting player in Martin, and four other players who have made the majors and contributed. If Votto keeps mashing for several years to come, he might “win” the draft all by himself, but he’s not there yet.
northsfbay
Are there a lot of Braves fans and Dodger fans voting? Fielder was a good pick.
Joe Valenti
As I said above, the Dodgers were who I picked because they had multiple guys who contributed to the Major Leagues. Draft picks are so volatile in the MLB that I found it hard to consider a draft “good” just based on one guy. Fielder could have been a bust or had a devasting injury in the minors and suddenly you are actually considering the Brewers’ draft a lost year
LazerTown
Also to me you have to look at opportunities. Judging by their ability I have to look at the opportunities. I would give more credit to the Phillies/Giants just because they were also able to find elite talent, but with much lower pick opportunities.
wildabeast4
Good point. I’d say Cain, Greinke, Fielder, and Votto made a MUCH bigger difference to their respective teams than the multiple middling major league contributors the Dodgers and Braves (minus McCann) picked.
Joe Valenti
I definitely agree with this. My point was more that picking one player could very well be more luck than skill. Piazza is a good example. He was drafted in the 62nd round, not because scouts liked him, but as a favor from Tommy Lasorda to Mike’s father. While you might argue that you would rather a Fielder than a Loney, Broxton, Martin, Stults, and McDonald, the fact that the Dodgers drafted, projected, and developed 5 MLB players from the draft shifts their draft away from a matter of luck and more towards good projections IMO
LazerTown
I think I’m going to have to actually pick the Red Sox. Joey Votto is so good, certainly the best player in the draft IMO, and makes the Reds draft look good, but to me when you say best draft I want to evaluate based on what they got compared to their opportunities. Sox didn’t pick until 57th, yet still got an elite talent player, and to me that is a really good draft. Cincy picked Votto, but they also whiffed really bad on the 3rd overall pick, and that really dampens their draft.
ChiMike702
How about the Cubs?? 4 picks in the top 38, none of which ever played a single inning of major league ball…
I’m a Cubs fan and that’s just awful.
GameMusic3
It was not much of an endorsement of the 2002 set if these are the candidates, because a bunch are single superstar hauls out of the first round.
While I am a fan of the Dodgers I still have to grant them the title because they got by far the most quantity.
Logan White is a stupendous executive.
johnsilver
Getting a franchise type player over shadows drafting several solid pieces IMO.
Case in point:
2005, Boston drafted Jacoby Ellsbury, Clay Bucholz, Jed Lowrie, all in round 1 and 1S. Also going in that draft was Troy Tulowitzki, Ryan Braun and Jay Bruce.
Does a fairly solid draft overshadow impact players?
John Cate
The Red Sox “won” the ’05 draft. Ask yourself this: would you trade Ellsbury, Buchholz, and Lowrie for any one of the other three if you had them to trade? I know I wouldn’t.
LazerTown
For Braun or Tulo, hard time turning that trade down. Those 3 are solid players, but Tulo is by far the best shortstop in the league, and Braun is someone you can put in the middle any lineup.
LazerTown
For Braun or Tulo, hard time turning that trade down. Those 3 are solid players, but Tulo is by far the best shortstop in the league, and Braun is someone you can put in the middle any lineup.
GameMusic3
If the team made a bad #3 overall on the way to getting the best of the draft in the round after, yes.
wildabeast4
How is it that the Dodgers (who drafted a few mediocre players) are voted as having the best draft rather than the teams who drafted by far the four best players – Giants (Cain), Royals (Greinke), Brewers (Fielder) and Reds (Votto)?
DieHardMsFan
I personally voted for the Reds as I feel quality > quantity. That said I can understand why teams like the Braves, Red Sox or Dodgers got votes as they were able to identify more big leaguers in the draft. Due to the volatile nature of baseball’s draft (nothing is guaranteed) getting one great player could have been just luck. Thus, if a team drafted multiple players who have had rather successful MLB careers is more impressive.
Pei Kang
the Mets!! all jokes aside, I probably go with the Giants or Phillies, since both Cain and Hamels had very productive careers
Cosmo3
And led their teams to World Series
Pei Kang
pretty much.
Dock_Elvis
Hard to argue against the the Royals overall contribution with a single Greinke pick. They managed to get a Cy Young from him and deal him for contributors. The fact that the Cubs couldn’t get a single contributor with 4 of the first 38 picks is horrific
Jesse Lund 2
The Twins drafted Denard Span (19.7 bWAR) in the first round, Jesse Crain (11.8 bWAR) in the second round, and Pat Neshek (4.5 bWAR) in the fifth. They also drafted Clete Thomas (5th round) and Adam Lind (8th), but neither of those two signed.