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SierraM363
I wonder what Detroit would’ve sent to Boston for Miller.
Eduardo Rodriguez looks real good though. Win-win for both teams.
start_wearing_purple
Yeah, I initially thought Baltimore was giving up way too much. But considering that Miller fortified an already good bullpen and Detroit is proving a starting rotation in nothing in the playoffs without a good bullpen, it seems like a solid investment for Baltimore. They’re right now running on all cylinders and look like a championship team.
alexandern
“While their isn’t much impact talent on the immediate horizon”
Might want to fix that.
DarthMurph
When the Tigers lose playoff series, they don’t just lose. They fall apart. It’s hard to really advocate for DD’s dismissal, but he’s constructed a team that’s failed to execute with years of a weak AL Central and he’s made a team that will be increasingly top heavy as the years go on. A switch might be for the best.
Karkat
It’s Ausmus and the pitching coach (and bullpen coach, and any other coach who interacts with the pitchers) who really need to go. Something must be up with their pitcher training, because Nathan and Soria were so much better in Texas, and Smyly got way better as soon as he went to Tampa.
Stonehands
But you can’t ignore the success of Verlander before this year, Fister, Scherzer, Sanchez. I wouldn’t let go of Ausmus because their rotation has been phenonimal over the years, it’s the bullpen that has always been terrible, even under Leyland.
DarthMurph
With both Verlander and Cabrera, DD issued market value contracts well before he had to. Which in Verlander’s case has cost them dearly even if he turns things around.
Stonehands
I absolutely agree with you, I don’t necessarily believe DD should be run out of town yet, but he cannot be blamed for all of the bullpen woes, he has brought in several proven arms to anchor the bullpen, but something in the Detroit air makes them all flame out when they get there
DarthMurph
I actually think he can be blamed for the bullpen woes. Nathan was an expensive choice for closer who ate up a larger portion of their bullpen funds than they should have allowed. He can’t be blamed for Nathan’s woes, but trading Fister to free up funds to sign Nathan was a poor choice when he left the rest of the pen vulnerable.
He wanted the flashiest toy in the store and he got it. And then it broke.
Stonehands
But how do you explain Soria who inexplicably flamed out as soon has he put on a Tiger’s uni?
DarthMurph
He did get injured. Bullpens are volatile. That’s why you don’t put all your eggs in once basket.
Stonehands
Fair enough, but even so, year in and year out the bullpen is in shambles, i think that has more to do with the pitching coach than DD, although there is more than enough blame to go around
DarthMurph
DD is captain of the ship and assembles a stinky bullpen each year.
Wockenfuss
At some point you have to place blame on the players themselves. DD went out and got Nathan, Soria, Chamberlain, etc. They have choked, not DD.
andrewyf
Nathan is at the end of his career. Soria is not what he used to be. Joba will never be the 98-mph fireballer again. These are not late-inning, big-time relievers. It’s not their fault they’re being put into positions they’re unsuited for. That’s on DD.
Stonehands
How is Soria not what he used to be? He was a monster not 3 months ago when he was on the Rangers
andrewyf
He got injured. Can’t be too surprised, given his recent injury history. Hardly Soria’s fault.
Just trying to show that it’s not really the players’ fault. They can only perform as best they can. It’s up to management to put players in a position to succeed. DD has consistently failed to do so.
Mr Pike
Nathan was lights out all last year. Rondon was a huge loss. Chamberlain was great the first half, then fell apart. Soria was terrific until his first inning as a Tiger.
That’s not on the GM or pitching coach.
MB923
I could see the Tigers going after David Robertson. At 30 years old, he’s actually the youngest closer on the FA market.
I honestly can’t believe K-Rod is only 33.
bgardnerfanclub
I agree they will go after Robertson. It would also be an interesting choice. There seems to be an culture of failure surrounding closers in Detroit and Robertson is not lights out. I mean the man’s nickname is Houdini– which is only funny when he gets out of the trouble he seems to put himself into all the time. In Detroit, where closers seem to lose their confidence–maybe it’s a coaching thing?– I could see Robertson being a danger to implode.
Mr Pike
If anything, it’s the pressure to perform and win a World Series for an aging, deserving owner.
Vandals Took The Handles
If they went after Miller once – a pitcher they had and traded in the Miggy deal, then rest assured they will be going after him hard this offseason.
MB923
They could very well go after both.
LordD99 2
With the Tigers pen, it is not a one pitcher fix. They are running out of time to win with this group, which is a team built to win now. As is, they will lose Scherzer, but they’ll have Price and I’m pretty sure the Royals not about to turn into a juggernaut. Their owner is not getting any younger, so he should spend some money on fixing the pen. That means at least two arms. Robertson and Miller, or Robertson and Gegerson, or Miller and Gregerson, or others. (I haven’t seen the complete list of available relievers.) What they have now is broke.
Michael 22
With Boston last year and the Royals and Orioles this year, it’s apparent that teams are going to prioritize relievers more than ever this winter. They’re the new “heroes” as it were. Andrew Miller is going to be making more money than he probably ever dreamed about.
123redsox
who do you think was that package Boston was going to receive from Detroit?
123redsox
Could the package have involved a combination of Nick Castellanos, Ian krol, Melvin Mercedes, Corey Knebel, and Jake Thompson for Steven Drew, Jon Lester/ John Lackey, and Andrew Miller