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NL East Notes: Revere, Jennings, Wright, Werth

By Jeff Todd | May 28, 2015 at 8:25am CDT

The Phillies may have lost a trade partner — at least, in the immediate future — when the Mets shipped left-handed-hitting outfielder Kirk Nieuwenhuis to the Angels, MLB.com’s Todd Zolecki writes. The Phils and Halos had been discussing a deal involving Philly outfielder Ben Revere deal for some time, per Zolecki, but couldn’t agree upon compensation. While it’s certainly plausible to imagine a swap being revisited between those clubs, Philadelphia appears motivated to deal Revere in the near term, in advance of a coming roster logjam in the outfield. Of course, it is also understandable that Philadelphia would not want to accept a less-than-fair return for the outfielder, who has two years of arbitration control remaining. But it’s not clear that the speedy but power-challenged Revere will command much in trade, particularly since he’s already playing on a $4.1MM arb salary this year.

  • While it’s far too early to judge him, newly-installed Marlins manager Dan Jennings has certainly not been able to effect a quick turnaround from a foundering ballclub. As Bob Nightengale of USA Today writes, that has pleased some around the game. Jennings himself says he is resolute in both respecting the job and doing everything in his power to produce a winning club. Before hiring Jennings, says Nightengale, Miami bounced around the idea of several more established candidates — among them, Ron Washington, Dusty Baker, and even Ozzie Guillen.
  • Though the Mets are giving every indication that they are not overly concerned with David Wright’s long-term health, Andy Martino of the New York Daily News writes that the third baseman’s condition — known as spinal stenosis — can be a serious one. A clinician tells Martino that it tends to be degenerative and quite problematic for athletes, though another expert put things in a somewhat more positive light, telling Laura Albanese of Newsday that the condition can be overcome. While New York reportedly has insurance coverage for at least a significant portion of Wright’s contract, in the event of injury, that does not change the fact that his presence is badly needed on the field. And there would seem to be cause for at least some concern that Wright could be limited by the injury moving forward, even when he does return to the active roster.
  • Jayson Werth and the Nationals will hope to learn more about his still-balky wrist when he makes a visit to the specialist who has helped him through prior wrist issues, Chelsea Janes of the Washington Post reports. Though tests have not revealed any structural damage, swelling caused by a recent hit-by-pitch has yet to subside (though it’s improved recently). Already planned to coincide with an off day for the team, a visit to Dr. Richard Berger of the Mayo Clinic is in order. The Nats will, of course, hope for continued improvement — the team has played well of late, but has done so without receiving any production from the club’s two best hitters of 2014.
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  1. rouscher

    10 years ago

    Highly unlikely the guy batting under a .100 effects whether they trade for Revere or not.

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    • Jeff Todd

      10 years ago

      The point, really, is that the addition says they weren’t seeing eye to eye on a deal, not that a risk-free add of Nieuwenhuis is going to block a deal forRevere. Of course, it’s not like Revere is some kind of unique force himself – I’m sure they’d prefer him to Nieuwenhuis, but there are other options at his level.

      I wonder whether they’ll look at De Aza.

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      • DavidL

        10 years ago

        This year some teams seem to be acquiring DFA players and then designating them not long after. I think we can assume the Angels aren’t expecting to make a trade today but we shouldn’t be surprised if they make one any time after that. They need a real solution and Nieuwenhuis isn’t that.

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        • Jeff Todd

          10 years ago

          Agree – I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they keep looking.

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      • rouscher

        10 years ago

        I see your point now. Would assume they’ll look at any option that doesn’t cost their system players before conceding to a trade for Revere or greater player. I could see them not seeing eye to eye because LAA doesn’t have the greatest system currently and a trade for Revere would consist of one of the better prospects not named Newcomb or Heaney in their system. Saw the same thing this year with the Papelbon to MIL rumors, at least with fans, that they thought Papelbon was worth a 8-9 prospect in the system which he is in most systems, but not the Brewers system. I feel like that may be the issue at hand and LAA doesn’t want to trade away from an already barren farm even though Revere’s price is going to be most likely a little less then the May/Worley package that acquired him.

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        • Jeff Todd

          10 years ago

          I guess I’m not the biggest fan of Revere’s skillset, though his speed adds some flexibility in late innings. With his salary, he’s a plausible non-tender candidate after the year. Not sure exactly what the Phils expect to get out of him, but yeah, I agree the Angels will rightly hesitate to move one of their relatively few quality prospects.

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    • Jay Cal

      10 years ago

      I was just thinking the same thing. I believe that Kirk Nieuwenhuis, more than likely is to provide dept at the AAA Level. Angels just recently promoted Grant Green who in the past has played LF along with SS, 2B, and 3B.

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      • Jeff Todd

        10 years ago

        He’s out of options. Could try to get him through waivers, of course.

        Reply
    • rich 3

      10 years ago

      You do know that Nieuwenhuis played in previous years, right? Or are we using his whopping 38 at bats to judge him?
      He has 600 MLB plate appearances, and has actually put up better numbers than Revere. His lifetime OPS is .676, Revere’s is .663. His OPS+ is better too, and his relative WAR is the same as Revere’s.

      Reply
  2. Daniel Garner

    10 years ago

    Wrong Dan Jennings link

    Reply
    • tesseract

      10 years ago

      Manager Dan Jennings never played. So there is no link for him haha

      Reply
      • MB923

        10 years ago

        But they put the link up for Dan Jennings the pitcher on the White Sox (who was previously on the Marlins actually)

        Reply
        • Jeff Todd

          10 years ago

          It’s our auto-linker, but I’ll remove it.

          Reply
          • pete peterson

            10 years ago

            I’m looking online for a car. Should I use an auto-linker?

            Reply
            • Fred Wollumbeck

              10 years ago

              Don’t forget the Car Fox

              Reply
  3. Damon Bowman

    10 years ago

    How can the Phillies have a “roster logjam” when they lack talent? I can understand that they have decisions to make if they plan on bringing Brown & Asche back into the fold, but is it really all that difficult to bump Francoeur or Sizemore from the roster? Granted, they’ve both recovered somewhat from dreadful starts to the season but they’re both over 30 and have nothing to do with the rebuilding that is necessary in Philly. If the O’s can dump De Aza for Flaherty, surely Brown or Asche can be kept over Sizemore or Francoeur.

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    • Jeff Todd

      10 years ago

      I agree, it’s not exactly a talent glut. But all the Philly reporters have been on this — they seem to want to move Revere. Honestly, I think they have to do it this summer if they want anything back from him.

      Reply
    • pete peterson

      10 years ago

      “they’re both over 30 and have nothing to do with the rebuilding that is necessary in Philly….
      But but…the Phillies aren’t “rebuilding” ! They’re just “building on what they had before” per RAJ.

      Reply
  4. Rally Weimaraner

    10 years ago

    Angels are below .500 and honestly need a lot more than Revere or Nieuwenhuis to fix their offense. I don’t see them making nay major trades in the near future.

    Reply
    • Steven Garrison

      10 years ago

      they need revere to play left and a power lefty bat who won’t cost them tropeano/heaney/newcomb

      Reply
  5. onthebucks

    10 years ago

    The Phils are a lot better off with Revere than they are without him, especially since Herrera is a rookie who has never played above Doube-A before this season and is still making rookie mistakes and learning the game. The logjam in the Phils outfield is really not that much of a logjam. Its doubtful that Francoeur or Sizemore are in the Phils long-term plans. Besides, no other Phillies outfielder had the most hits in the NL last season or was among the NL’s top base stealers as Revere did and was. Revere has been increasing his extra base hit production, so the fact he is not a home run hitter is irrelevant. At $4.1 million a year he is a bargain. The Phils would be foolish to trade him away without receiving something very special in return.

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    • Jeff Todd

      10 years ago

      See above for my thoughts on the “logjam.” I think there’s some value there, but don’t see him as a bargain. But there’s certainly an argument they should keep him, especially b/c I don’t think he’ll bring a really significant return.

      Reply
      • onthebucks

        10 years ago

        The Phils are obviosly in a rebuild mode but they still have to field a team that shows some talent and is capable of winning a few games. Of this year’s position players, Revere, Galvis and Howard have been fun to watch. Herrera started off on fire but, since he has closed his stance, has cooled off quite a bit. Late addition, Franco, has been a major plus and promises to be the real deal. After that, the Phils offense has been lackluster. Of all the players named, Howard appears most likely to be traded, especially in light of Matt Adams injury and the Cards ability to go all the way again this year. Even then, it’s doubtful the Phils will just give him away. Howard is filling seats again and, after him, there are no other Phillies players who can come up late in the game and erase an opposing team’s 2 or 3 run lead with one swing of the bat, as well as Howard can. So, Howard may remain with the Phils longer than most people anticipate. If both Howard and Revere were traded, the Phils would be hard pressed to score any runs. Revere is young and talented, and the Phils have no other players capable of leading the NL in hits and stolen bases on a regular basis. The Phils need to keep Revere, especially since they may not be offered much in return.

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        • NoAZPhilsPhan

          10 years ago

          Everyone wants a big bat to clear the table but they forget that the table needs to be set first. Ben is the only table setter they have at the moment. Yes it would be better if he would walk a bit more but he is heating up as he always does and has hit .320 the last 2 weeks (.308 in May). Freddy’s fluke start is over and he is back to being Freddy hitting .174 the last 2 weeks and Herrera has an identical mark in that time. If they deal Ben what next? Replace him with Dom? Without that one stellar month in 2013 he his a .235 hitter. They are trying Asche in LF to get his bat in the lineup…his sub .250 bat. They tried the same with Ruf. Keep Ben for now, he’s only 27 and work on signing FA’s in 16 that can help drive him in.

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          • David Coonce

            10 years ago

            A table setter who walked 12 times last season in over 600 plate appearances? He also scored just 71 runs despite stealing 49 bases. His complete inability to get on base unless he gets a hit makes him a poor choice for the top of a lineup. He’s not going to hit .300 every year.

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            • Damon Bowman

              10 years ago

              I’ll buy the argument against him at the top of a lineup because he rarely gets on outside of a base hit. However, you can’t blame Revere because nobody in Philly can drive him in once he gets into scoring position. Unless he’s a horrific baserunner (which he isn’t) just because Utley, Howard and whomever else Sandberg has to pencil into the 3, 4 & 5 spots can’t hit the ball isn’t Revere’s fault.

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              • NoAZPhilsPhan

                10 years ago

                You took the words right out of my mouth. I had just logged on to reply to David with almost the identical words in my mind regarding lack of runs scored. As far as where he bats in the lineup…. Who are they going to replace them with? Acshe with his .283 OBP? Call up Dom Brown with his lifetime .285 OBP? At the moment the only regular player with a higher OBP than Ben’s .310 is Chooch Ruiz and he runs like a plow horse. As to the other comment that he will not hit 300 every year… There is no reason to think that he cannot continue to do that for several more years. He has hit .301 the last three years so why would it suddenly change?

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                • David Coonce

                  10 years ago

                  He hits .300 but doesn’t get on base and doesn’t score runs. That’s a problem. When Rickey Henderson scores 110 runs on 112 hits while batting. 241 and Revere scores 71 runs on 184 hits while batting .306 you have to think that Revere is not a leadoff hitter/tablesetter, especially considering Revere stole 49 bases in 2014 while Rickey stole just 37 bases in 1996.

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                  • NoAZPhilsPhan

                    10 years ago

                    The problem is not Ben getting on base the problem is someone driving him in unless you expect him to steal 3rd and home. Do you understand how poor Phillies run production has been. You could hit .390 but unless every hit is a home run you have no say over whether you score or not. I agree with you that he needs to walk more, and he has improved upon that this year but this argument is ridiculous.

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                    • David Coonce

                      10 years ago

                      Not really. Phillies scored plenty of runs last season. Utley had a good year and Howard, despite his putrid peripherals, drove in 95 runs. Guys like Revere don’t score runs because they aren’t ever on base. He drew 12 walks last season, in 626 PA. Even if he gets 230 hits, that walk rate isn’t going to allow him to score many runs. A leadoff hitter with a .325 OBP isn’t going to score enough runs to be useful, period.

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                      • NoAZPhilsPhan

                        10 years ago

                        Ute have a good two months at the beginning of the year…. From June on he hit .244. The Phillies were below NL average and runs scored…. 21 runs below league average…. That does not qualify as “plenty of runs”. Only two regulars had a higher OBP than Ben last year….Howard and Chooch…. So once again I will ask who would replace him at the top of the order…. Actually I won’t ask that because I’m done with this conversation.

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                        • David Coonce

                          10 years ago

                          Revere got on base 200 times but only scored 70 runs. That’s not a leadoff hitter; the Phillies lost games because they were leading him off. Revere is a #8 hitter. His only asset is speed.

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              • David Coonce

                10 years ago

                Last year the Phils were middle of the pack in runs scored. Here’s a comparison: In 1996 Rickey Henderson batted .241 for the Padres. He hit for, basically, no power (17 doubles, nine homers), althogh more power than Revere. He batted 602 times (less than Revere did last season). Padres finished middle of the league in batting. Rickey scored 110 runs although he had just 112 hits. He walked 125 times. He only stole 37 bases, while being caught 15 times. Getting on base leads to runs scored. Revere is miscast as a leadoff hitter. So Rickey: 110 runs scored, 112 hits. Revere: 71 runs scored, 184 hits. Rickey hit .241, Revere hit .306.

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  6. GoFish

    10 years ago

    Jim Leyland as Marlins manager again would be awesome.

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    • Fred Wollumbeck

      10 years ago

      He’s gotta be like 80 years old at this point

      Reply
      • GoFish

        10 years ago

        Haha, believe it or not, he’s *only* 71. I’m sure his baseball mind is still sharper than most. If they don’t go for Leyland, bring back Jack McKeon! (half joking, half serious)

        Reply
  7. Sickle

    10 years ago

    If Revere could learn to work the count and get his OBP up, he could be like a Juan Pierre clone.

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    • MB923

      10 years ago

      Juan Pierre’s BB rate was very low too

      Career BB%
      Pierre – 5.6%
      Revere – 4.3%

      And their BA is only separated by .006 (.295 Pierre, .289 Revere). I’m very surprised their OBP’s have a huge difference though (.343 Pierre, .323 Revere). Probably has to do with Pierre getting HBP Exactly 1 out of every 90 PA whereas for Rivere it is only one out of every 222 PA.

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    • Brixton G.

      10 years ago

      The reason Ben Revere never walks is because pitchers arent afraid of him. He isn’t gonna hit a HR, worst case scenario is he gets a triple, and that only happens a few times a year.

      Reply
      • TheMick

        10 years ago

        I used to have the same exact opinion of Revere’s inability to draw walks. To a degree I still do. By being more patient Revere should be able to walk far more than the 13 times he did last year. Pitchers get walked at times and it’s not because the opposing pitcher is afraid to groove him a fastball. Sometimes a pitcher’s just having trouble locating. Example – David Buchanan walked 4 times in 39 PA’s last year for the Phils. I doubt it’s because anyone was afraid of him.

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  8. Timothy Milde

    10 years ago

    Isn’t this what Amaro does best? Wait and wait, expecting teams to pony up top talent in his fantasy league mentality? One of the worst GM’s in baseball IMO.

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    • willi

      10 years ago

      Not going to blame Rube on holding pattern on this one , Revere has more Value than the Mets Reject Pic-up of Nieuwenhuis, as the Angels will Quickly find out.

      Reply
      • paqza

        10 years ago

        Revere isn’t all that much better. Nieuwenhuis, who isn’t very good, actually has better career offensive numbers than Revere.

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    • onthebucks

      10 years ago

      Being patient enough to wait for a trade deal that beneifits your club more than your trading partner’s team is not the mark of a bad GM in baseball or any other sport. Amaro has made some lousy trades in his career as GM of the Phils and missed the opportunity to sign some outstanding free agents at bargain basement prices. Fortunately, he appears to have learned from his mistakes and has steadfastly held on to the likes of Hamels rather than accept the ridiculous trade offers that have been presented to him. With so many injured players, especially pitchers, this season, the trade dealine promises to be a sellers market and Amaro should be able to name his price for the likes of Hamels, and get more than just fair return for Harang, Papelbon and possibly Howard and/or Utley. I don’t see Amaro trading away young talent like Revere unless the return is something special.

      Reply
  9. GameMusic3

    10 years ago

    Man I would like to see Jennings show the old boy’s network a little job insecurity.

    Reply
  10. Steven Garrison

    10 years ago

    I still think the angels and phillies are perfect trade partners, I won’t be shocked if the angels get both revere and howard

    Reply

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