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Central Notes: Ray, Salazar, Cards’ Rotation

By Jeff Todd | October 13, 2016 at 10:03am CDT

Brewers first-rounder Corey Ray recently required surgery to fix a torn meniscus, Todd Rosiak of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel reports on Twitter. It seems he suffered the injury while participating in fall instructional activities. The 22-year-old was taken fifth overall out of the University of Louisville in this year’s draft. He spent most of his first professional season at the High-A level, where he struggled to a .247/.307/.385 batting line. Though he’ll lose some opportunities in instructs, it seems fair to think that the meniscus issue won’t pose a major road block in Ray’s hopeful path to the majors.

Here are a few more notes from the central divisions:

  • Though indications had been that the Indians may be able to receive a contribution from righty Danny Salazar in the ALCS, it turns out he won’t quite be ready, as Paul Hoynes of the Plain Dealer reports. “He’s doing pretty well, but he’s not back to throwing all his pitches or letting it go at 100 percent,” said manager Terry Francona. With the team’s “first priority being about getting him back healthy,” said the skipper, Salazar won’t be pushed.
  • The Cardinals will have some sorting to do in their rotation this winter, and Ben Frederickson of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch (slideshow link) handicaps the odds of the various internal options heading into the offseason. With Lance Lynn hopefully returning from Tommy John surgery and Alex Reyes all but nailing down a spot, that could leave several rather heralded arms on the outside looking in. Among them are Luke Weaver, Jaime Garcia, and even Michael Wacha. Weaver excelled in the upper minors and showed plenty of promise (but also some areas for improvement) in his MLB debut; he’ll likely return to Triple-A. Garcia remains a major question mark with the team undecided on his option. “There were nights where he looked like he was a No. 1 or No. 2 starter, and then there were nights where I’m sure the manager wanted to punch me,” GM John Mozeliak said of the enigmatic southpaw. And in the biggest head-turner of them all, Wacha is likely out “on paper,” as things stand, in Frederickson’s analysis. That’s still likely open for debate, and certainly is subject to health considerations.
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  1. Teufelshunde4

    5 years ago

    If MM has his way Wacha will start no matter how ineffective. love to see Wacha back effective but who knows what u get..

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  2. Mikel Grady

    5 years ago

    Wacha was a beast until they rushed him back and he gave up the walk off against Giants in playofffs. And of course against my Cubs when I was at wrigley this year . Grrr

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  3. legit1213

    5 years ago

    Wacha needs to build up shoulder strength, then work out of the bullpen. Maybe a long-man type scenario. And please Mo, let Garcia walk. Trying to trade just sends the message that he’s no longer effective. Problem is…every other team knows that already, and wants to buy low.

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    • AndyM

      5 years ago

      Better to get something than nothing

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  4. EndinStealth

    5 years ago

    What people forget about Garcia is this the first season he was healthy in a long time. He started the season very good. Threw a two hitter in like his fifth game of the year. He wore out about 3/4 of the way and it really showed. Another full season (healthy hopefully) and he could be a number 2. Molina says he has the best movement on his pitches of anyone on the staff when he’s full strength.

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  5. Frank Waller

    5 years ago

    Last sentence on the Salazar info should read that “Salazar won’t be pushed” not Santana. Thanks for the good info though. I am sure the Jays are happy to not see him in the ALCS.

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    • Jeff Todd

      5 years ago

      Whoops, fixed.

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  6. cardfan2011

    5 years ago

    Again, it makes sense to retain Garcia so he can be traded. Wacha seems like the odd man out for me, and Weaver needs some polish. I hope the rotation is Martinez, Waino, Lynn, Leake and Reyes

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    • Makaio6

      5 years ago

      You aren’t gonna get much for Garcia in a trade and may even have to eat some salary. Let him walk.

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      • cardfan2011

        5 years ago

        You overlook the fact that the free agent market is very thin on pitching, and he’s a lefty, so he has his appeals.

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  7. tim815

    5 years ago

    I’m glad when teams prioritize health of the player. The competitor will always want to compete. It’s nice when the team gets it right for the player.

    That said, go teams with C on their hats.

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  8. tim815

    5 years ago

    Maybe it’s me, but the Cardinals might have some very interesting 40 Man roster decisions. I don’t know who all they have on the bubble as far as being rostered, but Magneuris Sierra is an interesting call.

    Especially since nobody knows if the 25 Man roster becomes a 27 Man roster this winter. Which would completely change the standard that would need to be reached to be rostered.

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  9. Cardinals17

    5 years ago

    I like the rotation of Martinez, Wainwright, Lynn, Reyes and someone in this group (Garcia, Leake, Wacha, or Weaver). Whoever doesn’t start in that group should be up for trade.

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    • cardfan2011

      5 years ago

      Leake has a full no-trade clause on his contract so the Cards are stuck with him, and therefore has to start. When you’re paying a guy that much he’s a starter

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      • cardfan2011

        5 years ago

        Sorry about replicating it my iPhone is messed up

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        • JD396

          5 years ago

          It’s the iOS app I think… commenting is wonky as heck sometimes.

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        • CardinalsNation1

          5 years ago

          Y’all downloaded it before it was time. Re download it in settings

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        • slide

          5 years ago

          add to homepage or bookmark. save space and delete app

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      • CardinalsNation1

        5 years ago

        Right! Don’t forget really he’s here because Wainwright will be gone in a couple of years

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    • guinnesspelican

      5 years ago

      If only the Cardinals brass and fans had their wish for last years postseason rosters moves? David Price would be in the conversation and how we begin to unload that tragedy.

      Sometimes the best wishes are best left not granted.

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      • RoadRunner1938

        5 years ago

        Glad the Cardinals didn’t sign Price hes overrated and can’t pitch in the playoffs

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        • guinnesspelican

          5 years ago

          I’m glad now? I have to admit I was kinda bummed when we didn’t get him.

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  10. Wainofan

    5 years ago

    Of that group, I’d trade leake to Arizona for just about anything we could get. He’d waive his NTC because he most wanted to play in Arizona in the first place. Then I’d have wacha, weaver, rosenthal and Marco Gonzales competing for the last spot. Leave was one of the few mistake moves Mo has made.

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    • andyb

      5 years ago

      Interesting idea, how about a Zach Grienke for Leake, both are overpaid and both disappointed but there’s way more upside in Grienke.

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  11. Wainofan

    5 years ago

    Or id package weaver, bader, Wong or gyorko plus another prospect for longoria and odorizzi

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    • calikid13

      5 years ago

      Longoria is going to cost something like Adams, Flaherty (or Weaver) and DeJong. He’s still a 4-5 WAR player and heart of the order bat for a good price in today’s baseball economy.

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  12. playhard9

    5 years ago

    Sad that $80 million gets you an average starter but Leake was painful to watch. Too bad we are now stuck with him. Please say no to Garcia. He has decent games but always against scrub teams. When it matters and against good teams, he craps the bed. He will NEVER be a number 2 starter. Buh-bye Jaime!!

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    • cardfan2011

      5 years ago

      To be fair, it’s as Mo said; there were games where Jaime pitched and looked like a number 1 or 2 starter, and nights where the manager wanted to punch Mo. Obviously we saw more poor performances but there’s still some value in him that could be used as trade bait

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    • calikid13

      5 years ago

      Leake is a ground ball specialist. It doesn’t help when your infielders are atrocious at execution and have no range.

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  13. RoadRunner1938

    5 years ago

    Weaver should back in AAA, Wacha shoulder will never be right either put him in the pen or deal him maybe in a package & Garcia needs to walk don’t give him 12mill to just trade him wont get enough back and will be stuck with part of the contract which could go to signing Cespedes, Fowler or Desmond.

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  14. Wainofan

    5 years ago

    I’d rather avoid those three. Unless we get a cf and trade grichuk in the deal, then maybe one for lf. All three are weak in CF and I don’t see them as a fit in the Cardinal Way

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  15. relic

    5 years ago

    I think a rotation of Martinez, Wainwright, Lynn, Leake and Reyes is fine.

    Weaver goes to AAA, and Lyons and Wacha serve as long-relief arms in the ‘pen.

    I’m happy with this.

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  16. calikid13

    5 years ago

    I see Mo going after Jarrod Dyson and Longoria. Hopefully signing Melancon.

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