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GoPackGo12
This is why you don’t give up solid players/prospects for one year wonders like Thornburg. Don’t get me wrong I loved the guy in Milwaukee but he hasn’t proven it longer than 70 innings. The jury is still out of course but I bet Boston missed Shaw quite a bit with how terrible and injured Pablo has been…again..
BarrelMan
Yeah, Thornburg was good for the Brewers when healthy but the trade looks great for Milwaukee right now.
jackt
Agreed that this move is working out much better for the Brewers, though at the time of the trade it seemed just about everyone thought it was fair. This is the astronomical price of relief pitching today. It’s ridiculous. It makes me happy to see the Brewers using mostly homegrown, or at least “home-groomed” players in the bullpen. Our only major free agent signing, Neftali Feliz, has been mostly bad. The only reason he’s converting saves is he’s getting mostly 2-3 run leads in his opportunities. Here’s to hoping he’s gone by the deadline and we have Knebel/Torres/Barnes (not in that order necessarily) pitching 7/8/9.
BarrelMan
I agree, paying for free agent bullpen arms rarely works as planned, and it’s especially something smaller-budget teams need to avoid.
John Murray
Nobody was saying this was a bad deal afteR Travis completely disappeared the second half of last season. I don’t recall anybody calling him a “solid player” in September of last year when he hit around the Mendoza line.
GarryHarris
Tyler Thornburg was pretty good in MIL especially considering what was pitching and defending around him. As for Travis Shaw, he performed all star caliber the first 2 months then the Red Sox replaced him with Aaron Hill/Brock Holt and gave a shot to Yoan Moncada. You can’t fault the BoSox for making this trade.
I don’t think Josh Rutledge is the answer but, they’re stuck with the Panda through 2020.
rmullig2
Mind boggling that the Red Sox gave up Shaw plus three other players for Thornburg. I can understand the Miley-Smith trade as Miley was limited to being a back end starter but Shaw is a power hitting, solid fielding, cost controlled third baseman. Trading him to clear room for Sandoval is crazy. Boston had other pitchers similar to Thornburg (Kelly, Barnes)..
lesterdnightfly
The Pirates were iffy coming into this season, but Marte’s decision to go rogue really threw a monkey wrench into the works.
Question: If (as it was reported) the Pirates knew in Spring Training that Marte was appealing his proposed suspension, and probably wouldn’t win the appeal, why didn’t they quietly bolster the OF lineup then?
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
Because teams aren’t necessarily informed of the suspension. The player and the agent know, but teams aren’t informed unless the player/agent inform the team.
thegreatcerealfamine
The team and players union are informed!
hodor 3
Not always the team, no.
fbf923
The Pirates suck. The manager (who absolutely earned his MOTY award a few years ago) makes terrible decisions, the defense is bad (probably because no one plays the same position two days in a row) and they can’t hit with any kind of consistency (probably because the lineup is different every night). I want them to win and I’m really hoping the season isn’t over *already* but man, they are hard to watch in this current state. It’s heartbreaking.
shafe4141
The constant shuffling of literally everything has to stop. These 6th-7th inning “defensive replacements” are the dumbest decisions I’ve ever seen. Yet they continue to happen nightly. But what can you do? Clint is doing what he can with what he’s got. Like you said…nobody plays the same position two days in a row. And as much as I would love to blame Nutting for not opening the wallet to actually TRY to make this team better in the offseason, you can’t. When your core guys in Cervelli (who’s been sort of a victim of bad luck with where balls are hit), and Cutch/Polanco look like absolute garbage…you’re going to be awful. Your 3-4 hitters look like they belong in Triple-A.
And I’m no brilliant baseball mind, but this team also lacks one thing it had two years ago and in ’12-’13 with AJ Burnett in that clubhouse…and that’s a swagger to them. I’m convinced Burnett brought an absolute fire to this team that gave them confidence. Something that I haven’t seen since 2015. This team this year has absolutely no fire at all. No leader. Nothing. It’s like they show up, just to see what happens, then go home. Repeat another 161 times.
leefieux
Can’t wait (he says sarcastically) to see Jaso, Osuna, et al, playing that PNC LF.
BrandonGregory74
Sal Romano is down with a shoulder so I wonder who they will call up? Tyler Mahle?
ksoze
I’d like that, but he’s not on the 40 man.
BrandonGregory74
I bet it’s Bonilla. They were high on him out of spring training.
Lance
I think the Pirates would love to unload McCutcheon but the market won’t be very high on him. They’ll opt out of their contract after this year and he’ll be FA with not a lot of interest unless he really turns things around. the Bucs were doormats for a couple decades and came alive a few years ago with some good farm system development and making some prudent FA signings. But it’s back to the role of cellar dweller as they have been for so much of their history.
ronnsnow
Someone needs to brush up on their Pirates history
stl_cards16 2
The Bucs still have a lot of talent. They lost their 2 best position players, not many teams are going to survive that. They will be right there as a fringe contender entering next season. This is nothing like the teams of 20 straight losing seasons.
ecgjpg
Another ” Spectacular” move by the Sox. 1st Birdbrain ( our GM) lets Eric Thames slip thru his fingers
Danthemilwfan
I loved thornburg but we needed a 3rd baseman. Thornburg when healthy is one of the best pitchers in baseball. He just can’t stay healthy. Shaw is great but it was still a fair trade.
Blueclaw_7
Shaw wasn’t that good till he was traded to Milwaukee
hodor 3
I’m sure he’s glad to be away from Boston.
dlevin11
Could be that the move to NL gave Shaw new life but can he keep it up for rest of the season
davidcoonce74
Does Rookie Davis have to change his name next season? And what happens in year 3?
BrandonGregory74
I hope by year 3 he can stay below 100 pitches going into the 5th inning.
darenh
Are we judging trades after 40 games now boys?