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Giants Nearing Trade To Clear Payroll Space

By Jeff Todd | December 15, 2017 at 5:55pm CDT

6:52pm: Pence is not in the deal that will send Moore to the Rangers, Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News tweets. Shea and colleague Henry Schulman (Twitter links) add that, while Pence is not currently being dealt and has not been asked to waive his no-trade clause, it’s likely the Giants are trying to move him.

5:55pm: The Giants are nearing a significant swap that will open up payroll space, according to John Shea of the San Francisco Chronicle (via Twitter). The pact will involve either or both of lefty Matt Moore and outfielder Hunter Pence.

Details of the arrangement — including the prospective trade partner — aren’t yet known. But Shea says a deal is in place pending physicals, so it certainly appears that a move of some kind is imminent.

While the Giants embarked upon a major effort to land high-priced star Giancarlo Stanton earlier in the offseason, there have been rumblings that the club may shift gears given how things have shaken out thus far. While there’s still no reason to believe that a rebuilding effort is afoot, the Giants may attempt the difficult task of improving their competitiveness without going past the luxury tax line in 2018.

Moore, 28, is owed just $9MM this year and can be controlled for 2019 through a $10MM club option (otherwise he’ll be owed a $750K buyout). That’s not the bargain it once seemed likely to be, but sill seems a reasonable price for a youthful pitcher. While he struggled to a 5.39 ERA in 2017, Moore’s peripherals were within his usual range, he was much more effective in 2016, and he has been at full health of late.

The respected Pence, meanwhile, fell off drastically in 2017 after a long run of well-above-average production at the plate. Over 539 plate appearances, Pence managed only a .260/.315/.385 slash line. He is set to earn a hefty $18.5MM in the final season of his contract, which seems a fair bit more than he’d command on the open market. Of course, there’s still value in a hard-working player who might be seen as a rebound candidate. But it’s important to note that Pence enjoys full no-trade rights and has become a Bay Area fixture.

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79 Comments

  1. Howard-NY13

    7 years ago

    Mad bum? Haha I’m jk

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  2. emt tim

    7 years ago

    interesting…

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    • Thronson5

      7 years ago

      Very! As a Dodgers fan I’m always very curious to see what this team is doing and this intrigues me. Wonder what the trade is.

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      • Joe Kerr

        7 years ago

        I know it’s really risky to make predictions on these boards but I’m gonna guess Matt Moore and a prospect/maybe some $ for Avi Garcia

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        • Priggs89

          7 years ago

          I was thinking Sox too. Maybe it’ll help get them a better prospect in an Avi trade than they could’ve otherwise…

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  3. BusterMove

    7 years ago

    My head says please be both, my heart says “please not Pence.”

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    • dynamite drop in monty

      7 years ago

      Can’t see many teams knocking down he door for a mediocre offensive force for 19 million.

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      • BusterMove

        7 years ago

        Me neither, so my heart is hopeful you’re right. Lol

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        • gmenfan

          7 years ago

          Giants would benefit from it being Pence. As much as he’s beloved in SF, losing out on Stanton was the last shot to avoid some form of a rebuild. And if this is to go after Martinez, they should flip Belt too because that’s where Martinez is destined to be playing in a few years.

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  4. cody_8399

    7 years ago

    as a cards fan would not mind pence if we didnt get ozuna. if he can get healthy he is still a impact player!

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    • imindless

      7 years ago

      5 years ago….

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      • Triteon

        7 years ago

        5 years ago we were talking about how good he was in 2009….

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    • kcusgnikcufsregdod

      7 years ago

      You can have Pence for Gruchek

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      • Triteon

        7 years ago

        Hard pass, but thanks.

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      • extremecardinalsfan

        7 years ago

        Nah, I would rather have Grichuk

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  5. floridapinstripes

    7 years ago

    If they move Pence I smell a JD Martinez deal after this.

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    • dirtyd27

      7 years ago

      I hope that’s the smell is literally anything but that one

      Reply
  6. pantherfan73

    7 years ago

    McCutchen? Didn’t they talk to the bucs in case Stanton wasn’t coming?

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    • floridapinstripes

      7 years ago

      why would they deal for a player with one year on their contract when they are more than one move away from contending again?

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  7. baseball365

    7 years ago

    Moore and Pence are owed $27.5mm for 2018 so it’s a steep sum.

    I’ve felt Headley would play well there, so maybe that from the Padres.

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  8. timyanks

    7 years ago

    going to st louis, with belt, for grichuk and flaherty and gomber

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    • kaido24

      7 years ago

      keep dreaming

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    • Triteon

      7 years ago

      Team might be right, players are wrong.

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      • kaido24

        7 years ago

        no need for pence. plenty of better outfielders

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      • EndinStealth

        7 years ago

        I front see the Cardinals having any interest in Pence.

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      • EndinStealth

        7 years ago

        *dont

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      • Cardsfanatik

        7 years ago

        Cardinal’s have less than zero use for Pence.

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        • Jean Matrac

          7 years ago

          As a Giant’s fan I absolutely love Pence, but I agree, he makes zero sense for the Cards.

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    • extremecardinalsfan

      7 years ago

      lmao

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    • chuck r

      7 years ago

      Yeah right you wish.

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  9. The Morning After Pillar

    7 years ago

    Just shooting from the hip here but the Blue Jays have said they’re after another starter and a corner outfielder.

    I’m probably wrong though

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  10. BrewCrewDS

    7 years ago

    who the heck wants this crap?

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  11. Christopher_Oriole

    7 years ago

    Orioles? They’re looking for a SP, and a corner outfielder. Not sure on the details of Moore and Pence’s contracts, but they could be a fit.

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    • dimitriinla

      7 years ago

      Pence bats right and they I need a lefty — plus his contract is way too steep for them to take on in light of losing Manny.

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      • Christopher_Oriole

        7 years ago

        Good point. I was thinking maybe they’d take two bad contracts (Moore/Pence) for one (Trumbo) and a prospect.

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  12. fathead112805

    7 years ago

    This has Texas Rangers written all over it unfortunately

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    • ldfanatic

      7 years ago

      As an Astros fan, I hope so.

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    • gmenfan

      7 years ago

      Bingo ! Moore to Texas

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      • fathead112805

        7 years ago

        They’ve been infatuated with him for years

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    • extremecardinalsfan

      7 years ago

      Good call, unfortunately.

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      • fathead112805

        7 years ago

        Yea , another lefty …yippee

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  13. preauto

    7 years ago

    Arrieta or Darvish?

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  14. matthew102402

    7 years ago

    I wonder. Matt Moore to Mariners? More of a fly ball pitcher, than groundball. They can afford 9 million for this year, a team option for next. Also, Dipoto gets the starters that are coming off not so great years because they’re cheaper, so I think Matt Moore fits it perfectly.

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    • matthew102402

      7 years ago

      Edit: He’s going to the Rangers, and this is why I’m sitting on my couch instead.

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  15. charles stevens

    7 years ago

    Can Hunter Pence play cf?

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    • matthew102402

      7 years ago

      If the GM who acquired him wanted to lose his job, yes.

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      • charles stevens

        7 years ago

        I don’t watch many Giants games. Lol

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    • JoeyPankake

      7 years ago

      He can barely play right at this point.

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    • LADreamin

      7 years ago

      Pretty sure he can barely play RF, so it’s doubtful.

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    • Jean Matrac

      7 years ago

      He would probably play an average to slightly below average CF in a park that didn’t have a huge area to cover That’s exactly what he played last season in RF at AT&T, which is one of the largest and more difficult RFs in MLB. Plus, it would also depend on him being healthy.

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  16. Houston We Have A Solution

    7 years ago

    Giants claim preston tucker

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    • ldfanatic

      7 years ago

      Would be a mistake. He can’t play defense.

      Reply
  17. baseballnerd20

    7 years ago

    How about the Phillies? Need starting pitching and have no real payroll obligations. Can use Pence as a 4th OF and he would be a great mentor for the kids. Altherr gets traded for more pitching with Hoskins going to the OF.

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  18. Long Duc Dong

    7 years ago

    Heard the Dodgers were the trade partner

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  19. darthrader66

    7 years ago

    Matt Moore to the Pirates

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  20. Frank kemble

    7 years ago

    Phillies or orioles. Perfect for the phillies who dont have a lefty. 9 mil this season and 10 next year on an option. But the orioles also need pitching and have some money to burn.

    Reply
  21. Yankeepatriot

    7 years ago

    Mystery salary dump huh, probably trying to make room for a star player

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    • Kevin 23

      7 years ago

      They were willing to trade for Stanton, they don’t need the room to sign anybody.

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      • panickingcalmly

        7 years ago

        They probably would’ve cleared payroll if they’d acquired Stanton.

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  22. justinept

    7 years ago

    Wouldn’t be shocked if Matt Moore was headed to the Cubs. The need for a starter is there. He’s relatively inexpensive. And Maddon and Hickey have the organizational juice to vouch for him.

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  23. JoeyPankake

    7 years ago

    So Pence is willing to waive his no trade, eh. Thanks, man. That’s a class act right there.

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  24. Kevin 23

    7 years ago

    Pence has a full no trade clause so I would think Moore is who is involved.

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    • gmenfan

      7 years ago

      Or Pence sees the writing on the wall and wants one more shot at winning elsewhere.

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  25. paulnewman

    7 years ago

    What is the value in picking these guys up?

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    • extremecardinalsfan

      7 years ago

      There isn’t any in my opinion.

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    • Dodgethis

      7 years ago

      While star players are needed for a teams core, it’s the “other guys” that win championships and fuel playoff runs. It’s the guys that do what’s unexpected that make the difference. Plus, we can dream up perfect rosters and ideal fits all day, but the reality of trying to get any player to come to any team is that you usually don’t get what you want, so you make what you can get work.

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  26. paulnewman

    7 years ago

    Matt Kemp?

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  27. Padres2019ha

    7 years ago

    Pads will take Pence and Moore and the contract along w Ramos and Arroyo. We’ll also take ellsbury and his contract for Torres, Adams, and Frazier

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    • Priggs89

      7 years ago

      Don’t worry. You guys apprently will have your own albatross contract soon enough – $20mil/yr for “team spirit leader” Hosmer.

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      • Padres2019ha

        7 years ago

        Haha touché. But when above average relievers are getting $8-$9mil per, $20 mil for an above avg position rah rah player is a good deal

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  28. mark0817

    7 years ago

    This has Toronto written all over it

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  29. EndinStealth

    7 years ago

    The only teams that make a small amount of sense for Pence are Baltimore and Texas. But even then only if Moore goes with him. I don’t think San Fran moves Moore by himself. He alone would not free up excess salary.

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  30. extremecardinalsfan

    7 years ago

    At this point, it just seems like the Giants should look into a rebuild.

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    • EndinStealth

      7 years ago

      Teams that have money don’t really need to rebuild. They should shed a few bad contracts and then sign more. Only lower funded teams need to do rebuilds.

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      • extremecardinalsfan

        7 years ago

        Cubs and Astros went through rebuilds. I think they had plenty of funds. I just don’t get where the Giants are going right now.

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  31. Mr. E Team

    7 years ago

    The Giants picked up Moore’s option this year. I wonder if they had a trade in mind when they did that or if they’ve had s change of plans. I

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  32. panickingcalmly

    7 years ago

    I wonder if SF is trying to acquire Greinke and Pollock from Arizona…

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    • Dodgethis

      7 years ago

      If AZ will trade Pollock to the giants, I think they would gladly absorb greinkes entire contract. Not sure what AZ would want in return though.

      Reply
  33. Z-A 2

    7 years ago

    Calling the Phillies…. this would be a good way to use their wallets. Add a few prospects in there and take the 37M over 2 years.

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