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NL West Notes: Barnes, Tomas, Giants

By Jeff Todd | February 23, 2018 at 10:43pm CDT

When Dodgers GM Farhan Zaidi isn’t working to get an edge on rival teams, he’s trying to out-maneuver those within the organization in fantasy football, as Andy McCullough writes in a fun piece for the Los Angeles Times. Dodgers players are regretting their decision to allow the executive into the team’s league, it seems, as he has run off three-straight championships. Among the many choice quotes are several from L.A. ace Clayton Kershaw, who calls Zaidi a “big loophole guy.” Opportunistic claims and creative roster-building tactics evidently play as well in fantasy football as they do in compiling a winning ballclub.

Here are a few notes out of the NL West:

  • Elbow health is a topic of attention in Dodgers camp, McCullough further reports, though perhaps fortunately the issue is to this point mostly centered on the position-player group. Star shortstop Corey Seager is being treated with care in camp, but there’s also a new concern with catcher/second baseman Austin Barnes. The 28-year-old, who turned in a breakout 2017 season, is working out but won’t be allowed to throw in a game for the first week of action after some elbow inflammation arose over the offseason. Barnes says he “probably threw too much” over the winter in an effort to improve at cutting down baserunners, but also insists he is capable of going at full speed. The Los Angeles organization has an admirable group of catchers and seems mostly to be acting out of caution, so for now this is just a situation to keep an eye on.
  • The Diamondbacks face an increasingly difficult challenge with regard to outfielder Yasmany Tomas, Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic writes. It’s possible that the lumbering slugger could be optioned or outrighted rather than opening on the active roster, Piecoro suggests. Following an injury-limited season in which the 27-year-old Tomas limped to a .241/.294/.464 batting line, Arizona has made alternative plans in the outfield and doesn’t seem to have much use for one of its most highly-compensated players. With $10MM owed for 2018, there’s not much hope of finding another organization to take over his contract, particularly since he can opt to secure an additional $32.5MM over the ensuing two seasons. The post is a detailed look at a situation that doesn’t admit of easy answers.
  • ESPN.com’s Jerry Crasnick checks in on Giants camp, discussing the veteran-heavy unit that will try to engineer a dramatic turnaround following a moribund 2017 effort. Executive VP of baseball operations Brian Sabean discussed in broad terms the fact that the team’s offseason strategy involved bringing in established players whose best days are likely in the past. He suggests that many supremely talented players ought to be able to thrive even as they move out of their prime years. “I don’t think the industry gives itself enough credit with the initiatives we’ve taken with sports science, rest and recovery, nutrition, offseason conditioning, in-season conditioning, the new off days built into the schedule and the new ways to travel that are more elite and more first class,” explains Sabean. While moves for Andrew McCutchen, Evan Longoria, and others were surely made in part because they allowed the club to add proven performers while staying below the luxury tax line, it does seem the San Francisco organization believes that some of its competitors may be a bit too fixated on age. Some of the newly added and preexisting veterans echo that sentiment; there’s plenty more of interest to unpack in the article.
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  1. Houston We Have A Solution

    7 years ago

    Padres fans dont thank red sox and dbacks enough for signing pablo sandoval and yasmany tomas away from them.

    Doubt they would of gotten fernando tatis jr by signing them the same way they did james shields.

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    • lowtalker1

      7 years ago

      Lol

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    • User 4245925809

      7 years ago

      Funny stuff for a team that just gave 144m to a guy that’s ony 1y younger than snadoval was when he signed that 100m deal and really hasn’t put up any better numbers than sandoval had.

      Check back after the Pad’s pay 60m+ the 1st 3y and let us all know how Pad fans feel with 4 more y left of that deal and only Hosmer can break it.

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      • Houston We Have A Solution

        7 years ago

        Did the red sox not just overpay for jd martinez and david price and rusney castillo? Youd think they would have learned from pablo sandoval.

        Should have signed jay bruce to DH.

        Also last 3 years of hosmers deal is 3 for 39 mill meaning hes making 13 mill a season. Its a 5 year 105 mill deal with 3 for 39 attached. The back half of the contract isnt bad at all..

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        • MZ311

          7 years ago

          And Hanley Ramirez

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        • FBA17

          7 years ago

          I wouldn’t bring saying anything about Arizona and Boston. At least they both have won. San Diego has never won and are perennial losers.

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        • Houston We Have A Solution

          7 years ago

          Arizona wont be winning anything anytime soon.

          That organization was ran into the ground by stewart.

          As for boston, course its easy to win when youre able to spend 160 mill or more.

          Padres have never ventured past 110 mill. The padres just dont spend money. Arizona at least has spent money. Baseball is a game where teams that are always good spend.

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        • mannyl101

          7 years ago

          Oh boy! He drives me crazy just watching him play! Thank God Dodgers didn’t re-sign him!

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      • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

        7 years ago

        I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say Hosmer will age better than Sandoval.

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        • User 4245925809

          7 years ago

          Not saying he won’t and if can dig up what i posted about Sandoval here.. i never wanted him in the 1st place with his regression prior to FA.. That contract was from WS performance during the fall and teams bidding hoping.. Nothing more.

          Small market team like SD giving a non franchise player, like Hosmer 144m was a huge bundle, especially when they wouldn’t go to that sort of length when they DID have a franchise type player in Adrian Gonzalez still in his 20’s.

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        • dvmwitt

          7 years ago

          Different ownership and GM. Apples to oranges

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        • brucewayne

          7 years ago

          How is San Diego a small market team ? Don’t they determine that by TV market share? Where does San Diego fall in that category ?

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        • mannyl101

          7 years ago

          Haha! Agree! Better all away around!

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        • goob

          7 years ago

          I think a lot more goes into it than just current TV market share, but I’d like to know more about that myself. BTW, Cots Contracts gives each team’s overall value (as projected by Forbes, I believe) every year, It’s pretty revealing as to the overall picture of each teams relative financial strength. I visit there frequently to refresh my contact status/history knowledge for teams and players.

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        • goob

          7 years ago

          I don’t know if it’s going to work out, but as a Giants fan I’m moderately excited to have Pablo in a strictly pinch-hit/back-up role. But I think that’s a pretty sturdy limb your out on.

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      • outinleftfield

        7 years ago

        According to Dan O’Dowd during the Winter Meetings and John Hart today, teams take into account the past 3 years performance when considering FA signings.

        The three years prior to signing their big FA deals at age 28

        .294/.359/.463/.822 with 105 HR
        .280/.335/.424/.759 with 42 HR

        Which do you like better? Which would you have paid more money for?

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        • goob

          7 years ago

          Yep, and it’s been the case for a long time now, that teams are willing to pay-up dramatically on long term contracts for past performance. It looks like that script is starting to – if not flip – then at least moderate some – based on both analytics and hard experience.

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      • Wolverines2

        7 years ago

        Pablo Sandoval’s belt would like to have a word with you Johnsilver…

        How dare Padre fan speak from the kids table! Apparently only fans of large market clubs with huge payroll are allowed to point out what they perceive to be bad deals…and have earned this right because they have won…got it…

        Breaking news: Having a huge payroll increases likelihood of winning.

        The point by the original commenter was that a team without unlimited funds, like the Padres would have been sunk by Tomas, Castillo signings. Can’t afford to make those mistakes. With the structure of Hosmers deal and the depth of the farm system, it’s a little bit of a different situation.

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    • goob

      7 years ago

      Well watch out Padres relievers – The Panda as Giants Pinch Hitter Deluxe? I wouldn’t care to bet on it – but hey, you never know…. 🙂

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    • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

      7 years ago

      And if Pads Fans is to be believed, Preller was this close to trading for Sandoval after the first year of his contract.

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  2. bravesfan88

    7 years ago

    You have to give credit to Brian Sabean…He sure does put a very bright spin on players that are entering this season, with their prime abilities most likely behind them..

    However, I believe the Giants are only delaying the inevitable..Their roster is just getting older and older, and eventually they are going to have to tear it down and go through a major rebuild. Atleast for Giants fans, they will still have another season or two, where they can still root for a team capable of somewhat competing…

    The biggest question remains though, will the Giants have any assets left to help when they have to begin their rebuild?? Usually, teams are able to trade off some of their assets, so they can speed up the rebuilding process by acquiring near ready and talented ML prospects…I’m not so sure SF will even have any tradeable assets to help get a jump on their rebuild, other than maybe Posey or MadBum..Even so, I’m not so sure the Giants could trade those players away, without risking a significant backlash from their fans…

    It’ll certainly be interesting to watch the Giants over the next few seasons…Two or three years from now though, it could get pretty ugly for the Giants and their fans…Especially, since their rivals, the Dodgers, have set themselves up to still remain one of the NL’s best teams for the foreseeable future. Not to mention, they’ll be competing with teams like the Rockies, D-Backs, and Padres who could all be pretty strong throughout this timeframe…moreso, the Rockies and the Padres…Although, much like the Giants, the D-Backs very well may be entering their own rebuild in two or three years from now..

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    • goob

      7 years ago

      Whether it’s a few months from now or a few years from now or somewhere in between, I feel good about the Giants ability to reload/rebuild. And I think it will be fun to watch when they do.

      And because I feel that way – I say, if they’re only delaying the inevitable – then delay away G-men, delay away. We’ll see how it plays out – Go Giants!

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      • ttinsley1434

        7 years ago

        Lol

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      • MaverickDodger

        7 years ago

        Speaking as baseball fan, not purely a Dodgers fan. We should want more teams to delay the rebuild and believe they have hope of a World Series. It seems like that’s something our society is all too ready to give up.
        It’s great to criticize a front office for moves we don’t feel will help their club. But isn’t it better watching games during August that mean something? Or at least have some hype left in the pregame setup? Not to mention teams like the Nats last year surely would’ve appreciated some competitive games down the stretch to prepare themselves for playoff baseball

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    • jordan4giants 2

      7 years ago

      I agree with a lot of your points. But where I differ is in the fact the Giants are one of the richest teams in baseball. So unlike other teams that need to rebuild through the draft and prospects, the Giants can always hit the free agent market and buy the players they need to stay competitive. I’m not saying buy enough for a championship, but do enough so the fans always have something to be excited about.

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      • TwinsVet

        7 years ago

        Exactly. The notion of “tear it all down to rebuild” doesn’t apply to the 10-or-so biggest market clubs. Their ability to consistently flirt with the luxury tax means they’re not only able to lure FA’s, but they’re able to snag young talent by taking on “contract dumps” as well.

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      • outinleftfield

        7 years ago

        The Giants have $37 million coming off the books after the 2018 season leaving them at about $170 million for CBT purposes including picking Bumgarner’s option and $34 million for arbitration cases and the CBT threshold will be $206 million. That will leave them about $35-36 million to replace Pence, McCutchen, Hundley, and Panda.

        Here are the Free Agent Catchers:
        Drew Butera (35), Robinson Chirinos (35) — $2.375MM club option with a $100K buyout, Tyler Flowers (33), Yasmani Grandal (30), Nick Hundley (35), Martin Maldonado (32), Jeff Mathis (36), Brian McCann (35) — $15MM club/player option, Devin Mesoraco (31), Wilson Ramos (31), Rene Rivera (35), Kurt Suzuki (35), Matt Wieters (33)

        Here are the Free Agent OF:
        Left Fielders
        Michael Brantley (32), Daniel Descalso (32), Brett Gardner (35) — $12.5MM club option with a $2MM buyout, Marwin Gonzalez (30), Brandon Moss (35) — $10MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout, Gerardo Parra (32) — $12MM club option with a $1.5MM buyout

        Center Fielders
        Charlie Blackmon (32), Adam Jones (33), Leonys Martin (31), Cameron Maybin (32), A.J. Pollock (31), Denard Span (35) – $12MM mutual option with a $4MM buyout

        Right Fielders
        Lonnie Chisenhall (30), Curtis Granderson (38), Brandon Guyer (33) — $3MM club option with a $250K buyout, Bryce Harper (26), Matt Joyce (34), Nick Markakis (35), Andrew McCutchen (32), Hunter Pence (36)

        I don’t think they will have a problem filling those spots. Slater or Duggar or both may be filling at least one of those OF spots by the end of the season. Garcia may be ready to be Posey’s backup before the end of this year.

        For the 2020 season, the guys they have to replace are not scary or expensive other than resigning Bumgarner.

        I wish my O’s had that kind of money to spend and were in that good of shape.

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        • SFgiantsUK

          7 years ago

          Very good post, I see where you are going with this, rarely giants get the right people straight away, it’s a 3 pronged Process.

          (A) off season
          (B) mid season trades
          (C) off season again

          I think Giants are a year too late in the process, should have made significant moves like Cutch and Longo last year, but maybe they couldn’t pull the triggers

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        • ttinsley1434

          7 years ago

          All of that work, and you still have a disaster of a bullpen and mediocre starters.

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        • brucewayne

          7 years ago

          I thought Daniel Descalso was an infielder

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        • brucewayne

          7 years ago

          and isn’t Brandon Moss basically a 1B/DH type player now ?

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        • goob

          7 years ago

          And as to the rotation, we’ll see, but I think there are a lot of teams who would be thrilled to have Bumgarner/Cueto/Samardjia fronting their rotation. The 4/5 spots will be a work in progess, but isn’t that pretty much the case with most teams. They have a handful of interesting candidates, and the willingness to make a trade if/when necessary..

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      • goob

        7 years ago

        That’s just what they’re doing! And BTW, the two richest franchises of all, LAD and NYY, are both trying (like the Giants are) and succeeding (so far) at staying under this years CBT because they’re all competing with each other to be in a better position to exceed the CBT next year – in a battle royal for the 2019 FA class. And staying under the CBT this year also improves their ability to simultaneously restock their respective MiLB systems – because all three of them also want to do that too. The highest value teams (unlike the lowest value teams, who are at a distinct financial disadvantage) are going to try to stay competitive almost every year, if they can. That’s the system we’ve all tacitly agreed too – owners, players, and a whole lot of fans – and to be honest – it kind of stinks.

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      • chgobangbang

        7 years ago

        Giants are up against the luxury tax so contractually speaking they are limit up / piss poor as far as adding free agent monie$. Until some of their not so favorable contracts of their veterans expire they will have to rely on other means of improving besides free agency. Just hope what they have will work? Who knows

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        • Cashford64

          7 years ago

          Nothing is stopping them from exceeding the luxury tax limit but themselves. They could certainly afford to if they felt they needed to do so. It just makes too much sense to stay under this year.

          But don’t think that the Giants are “piss poor.” They were all ready to add Stanton’s massive contract just a couple months ago.

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        • goob

          7 years ago

          Well said Cashford, on all points.

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        • cjsk49er

          7 years ago

          Another couple factors that nobody seems to mention is the fact that following a year in which almost everything went wrong, they now have the #2 draft pick this year. Between whoever that ends up being, their largest upside minor leaguer Helios Ramos and several other couple year off players, the future doesn’t scare me like many seem to imply.

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      • Antitoxidote

        7 years ago

        I think these comments were lifted from a 2012 Phillies message board. They sound strikingly familiar.
        How have the Phillies been playing the last five years?

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      • Neotwism

        7 years ago

        The only problem with that is then they will be mediocre and not able to get top draft picks to help the rebuild.

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        • goob

          7 years ago

          Well sure, but then they also have the financial strength to sign or trade for a difference-maker to transform from mediocre to contender, as sometimes happens.

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    • brucewayne

      7 years ago

      For the Giants to make the post-season , they are going to have to have a Perfect Storm type season! Everything is going to have to go right!

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      • goob

        7 years ago

        I don’t know about “everything” but they sure can’t afford for very much a to go wrong. And it’s worth noting that last year practically everything did go wrong.

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  3. spudchukar

    7 years ago

    Sweet Lemon rationalization.

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  4. Chiguy

    7 years ago

    I need 3 Bulldog Major fans of Fantasy baseball for my fantasy lgs. Too bad Zaidi is already occupied…lol
    But I would like to invite Tim, Steve, and Jeff to join in my lgs(Lance Johnson plays with me too). But I know you guys are busy…..
    This is my fav. time of year…. Fantasy…. real baseball…. Cubs organizing the squad! Spring in Chicago! I can go on….lol

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    • richdanna

      7 years ago

      Is this ChiGuy from the old ESPN Message Board?

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  5. goob

    7 years ago

    “….some of (their) competitors may be a bit too fixated on age”

    Yeah and that’s also true of some fans who practically fetishize young unproven players – who by definition are much more likely to fail (in the vast majority of cases) than experienced vets who’ve actually produced at the big league level. But they needn’t worry – because the real cream almost always rises to the top.

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    • Kenleyfornia74

      7 years ago

      Id take a young player over McCutchen or Longoria. Both those guys have been on the decline

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      • Jean Matrac

        7 years ago

        Dumb comment. Unless you name that younger player your statement makes zero sense. Miguel Gomez is only 24. You think the Giants should not have traded for Longoria, and planned on playing Gomez at 3B, just because he’s younger?

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        • goob

          7 years ago

          You nailed it tad2b13. Dumb (actually mindless) comment indeed. On several levels. But it proves my point perfectly about the younger-is-always-better mentality that rises to the point of being almost a fetish.

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  6. sfg415sfc

    7 years ago

    Zaidi can only win championships in a fantasy world. And they wanna brag on that?

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    • goob

      7 years ago

      Yeah, and that’s despite 5 consecutive division championships. No wild-card hurdles for them.

      Somebody correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t the Braves win their division something like 14 years straight, but still only manage to win one WS? That just seems like incredibly bad luck to me. I mean they were pretty dominant during those years.

      It’s hard to imagine the Dodgers remaining “unlucky” to that degree, but their well on their way.

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  7. PhanaticDuck26

    7 years ago

    Phillies will take all of that Tomas contract off your hands. All of it.

    D-Backs just have to trade us Robbie Ray as well.

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    • kbarr888

      7 years ago

      OUCH!!!

      LOL

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    • brucewayne

      7 years ago

      Maybe the D-Backs should contact the Rays about a Tomas Trade, cuz they sure have been making some puzzling decisions to me! In any case, he’s the prototypical DH player!

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      • goob

        7 years ago

        Rays might consider it too – but only if snakes agreed to pay, oh let’s guess about 80+% of his contract 🙂

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  8. Christian Larsen

    7 years ago

    Put Tomas in under the same category with Rusney Castillo

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    • justin-turner overdrive

      7 years ago

      Must be weird making barely any money and having a co-worker who does the same job as you making 10 million dollars.

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  9. All true blue

    7 years ago

    Why all the hate on Tomas, he hit 31 bombs two years ago when mostly healthy and 820ops. The ten million owed this year is not that much for a guy with his number two years ago. You have to pay him anyway, let him get healthy a see what he can do. I don’t get the hate, one thing people don’t bring up is the Cuban league is like a 90 game season , these guys need time to adjust to 162, he had like a week in the minors before they brought him up, I just don’t get the hate.

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    • AUsoldier82

      7 years ago

      I think the hate comes from his mostly ineffective play overall. He is a poor fielder, and mediocre to average at best in every other category minus the one good offensive season you mentioned. Overall he has not be anywhere close to worth what he is being paid, so naturally people will point that out. I am not sure I would call it hate, just frustration and pointing out that he is getting paid like a star and is performing like a backup.

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      • justin-turner overdrive

        7 years ago

        He had a -0.4 WAR that year he hit 31 bombs. This “30 homers and nothing else” offensive profile must be accompanied by defensive value or versatility or else they’re just giving you replacement level value. Tomas is a very flawed player, who maybe really does need to go to AAA for most of the year.

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    • goob

      7 years ago

      The word “hate” gets way overused in this type of context. IMHO.

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  10. Norm Chouinard

    7 years ago

    Kemp to TB (they need a DH) for Denard Span/Daniel Hudson/Brad Miller. Who says no?

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    • Pops

      7 years ago

      Tampa Bay says no.

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    • justin-turner overdrive

      7 years ago

      That’s ludicrously lopsided for LAD.

      TB can just sign Joey Bats for like $3M to DH.

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  11. Phillies2017

    7 years ago

    Tomas could be good on an AL team, but Arizona would have to eat at least half.
    Who knows, maybe the bat would go off if he’s not worried about the field.

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    • goob

      7 years ago

      That’s a pretty big maybe – and Aizona would have to eat way more than half – unless maybe they’d also be shipping out a blue chip prospect and/or much more…

      By this off-season’s standards in particular, that contract is an absolute albatross. It’s right up there with some of big dead-weight signings the LAD’s made a few years ago in the international market. Of course they could also afford it – and haven’t looked back since. But for Arizona it’s a real limiting factor.

      BTW, I think the snakes made two excellent moves (dang-it :)) in getting Dyson and Sousza. I think they’re going to be very tough, again, this year.

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  12. justin-turner overdrive

    7 years ago

    Tomas about to be a $10M AAA player. I think that’s the best option, ultimately. Get him to work on his defense and get better plate discipline. Then come back in September and show everyone what kind of player he is now.

    These “30 homers and nothing else” types are a dime a dozen now, at minimum they need to have positional value or versatility or else they simply aren’t complete players. Tomas has options, put him at AAA and get him to work on stuff.

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    • brucewayne

      7 years ago

      Similar to Chris Carter

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      • brucewayne

        7 years ago

        and didn’t he just sign a major league deal with the Angels ?

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    • goob

      7 years ago

      But does Tomas have the physical capability to work on being a decent defender?

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