9:12pm: A Union-Tribune piece from Acee has identified Yankees third base coach and former Padre Phil Nevin as another target of interest for San Diego (link).
4:35pm: Per Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune, the Padres have already formed a list of candidates that they would consider for the manager job. Bruce Bochy, Mike Scioscia, Moises Alou, Ron Washington, and Mark Loretta are all receiving consideration, according to Acee. Of course, that list is surely far from final, and the team won’t rush into a decision, but it’s nonetheless noteworthy to see where the club is looking early in its search for a new skipper.
12:58pm: The Padres have relieved manager Andy Green of his duties, general manager A.J. Preller announced today in an official team release. In Green’s wake, bench coach Rod Barajas will serve as the interim manager for the remainder of the season.
Green’s Padres tenure will reach its conclusion after nearly four years at the helm, a span in which his teams compiled a 274-366 overall record. He had two years remaining on his contract, with Bob Nightengale of USA Today noting that the team will absorb roughly $2.5MM that is still owed to Green.
It’s been a disappointing four years, and while the state of the roster over those years has hardly been a strength, it seems that the front office was hoping for the team to show more signs of positive progress under Green, something that seems to have been lost in the second half of the season.
Green failed to lead the Friars to the postseason in each of his seasons as manager, extending a playoff drought that now dates back to 2006.
Though the team won’t hold an official press conference until later tonight, Preller offered the following words regarding the decision:
I want to thank Andy for his tireless work and dedication to the Padres over the last four seasons. This was an incredibly difficult decision, but one we felt was necessary at this time to take our organization to the next level and expedite the process of bringing a championship to San Diego. Our search for a new manager will begin immediately.
With Green out of the mix, the door is now open to what figures to be one of the most attractive managerial positions in baseball. Not only will the Padres’ next skipper inherit a bevy of Major League talent that features young stars like Manny Machado, Fernando Tatis Jr., and Chris Paddack, but also one of baseball’s finest farm systems, which could graduate considerable talent to the big-league club in the next couple of seasons. The aforementioned trio could soon be joined by MacKenzie Gore—baseball’s top pitching prospect—and Taylor Trammell, to name just two of the Padres’ top minor-leaguers. Add in an ideal location in San Diego, and the Padres should have their choice of a considerable number of candidates.
This is a Padres team that has seemingly been on the cusp of a breakthrough for the better part of a decade. However, that potential has yet to actualize, with the team failing to win 80 games in each of the last nine seasons. While it’s been easy to preach patience as the Padres wait on promising youngsters to grow into Major Leaguers, many of those top prospects have now made their debuts and expectations are higher than they’ve ever been with Green in the dugout. With the best core of players that the franchise has seen in years, it was no longer an option to fall back on the farm system as a justification for losing. It feels like now is the time to capitalize on the collection of talent in the organization.
Recent actions of the front office have demonstrated exactly that. The high-profile signing of Eric Hosmer prior to 2018 seemed to usher in a newfound sense of urgency in the front office. The following offseason, the Padres doubled down on that aggression and inked Manny Machado to the richest contract in franchise history while also being linked to trade candidates like Trevor Bauer and Noah Syndergaard. While those talks never came to fruition, the team subsequently chose to sacrifice an extra year of team control for top prospects Paddack and Tatis in order to open the season with both phenoms on the active roster.
And after a 45-45 start to the season, it appeared that those decisions were paying off—that the team was not far from finally breaking through. While a .500 record certainly won’t earn a playoff spot, few expected this year—the first with Machado, Tatis, and Paddack—to be the one in which the Padres snapped the streak. Still, the first-half performance was nonetheless a sign that this team was ready to make the jump to contention. However, in the second half, those signs of progress have vanished. With Tatis injured and Paddack limited by concerns over his workload, the team has faltered since the All-Star break, logging a measly 24-40 record.
On the heels of three losing seasons to start his first managing gig, it was no secret entering 2019 that Green was going to be scrutinized heavily by Preller and other decision-makers in the organization, especially given the increased spotlight that landed on the team after the addition of Machado. Evidently, the dissatisfaction with Green finally came to a head with the Padres losing eight of their last nine games. While the complete rebuild in San Diego is not quite over, a change in leadership may ignite the team as it climbs it way out of mediocrity.
They couldn’t wait for the season to end?
Right…!
Take Maddon, please take Maddon.
If you mean Joe Maddon the free agent to be, future hall of fame manager, he would be an ideal pick for San Diego.
If the Cubs make it into postseason There will be a contract on the table I betcha
That doesn’t look like it’ll be an obstacle.
I blame the GM and the players.
YES! A million times, YES!
When the milk spoils you throw it out, not wait until next week.
We’re talking about human beings. Save the cliches.
Don’t be so thin-skinned.
No, Managers get fired in September, up to the last day of the season, because Major League Baseball doesn’t want teams making news during the post-season. They won’t even announce a new hiring until the World Series is over. With a week of the season left, the window to make moves like this is closing fast. Then the window is closed until late October.
They definitely could have announced it the day after the season ended. Clubs do it all the time.
Who?
He’s probably relieved he doesn’t have to manage the team anymore. He was kind of inexperienced.
I hate those two words — “kind of”.
Either you are or you aren’t.
Somewhat? Not everything is black or white.
You seem to work in black and white, using the word “hate” to describe your feelings. I’d suggest you think things through more and not let your emotions overwhelm you.
That’s certainly kind of true.
dumb comment, kind of.
You can simplify it to one word by utilizing the ever-useful ‘kinda’
Everything is not “kind of” black or white.
Okay….. I despise that word phrase.
The reason I do is because I believe it to be a way to avoid fully taking responsibility for an opinion on something.
Is that better?
That has nothing to do with it. “Kind of” is a dry/sarcastic way of making an observation. In no way shape or form does it indicate being on the fence with an opinion.
Suffertribe….I am 100% with you. It has become all to prevalent and is 100% wishy washy.
He lost the club house and the team lost the fight. It happens when you don’t have a leader to lead.
Manny does not want to lead. That’s okay. Sale didn’t want to lead either with the Sox. He also told the boys upstairs not to expect him to be part of marketing the team.
That’s not really how managing works. Most of the time managers are either at the end of the dugout concentrating on the game or in their office going over numbers. The Padres need to get their farm system ready before there is to be any expectation of contending. This firing is pointless and arbitrary, unless they have a manager in mind to insert for when their abundance of top prospects are ready to contend.
Boch, Bucky, Giradi, Maddon anyone of those four would be a plus for sure.
I believe he did lose his connection with the players the second half and the team preformance has shown the result.
Bochy = retiring
why would he be on the list of considerations when he wants to retire?
For the same reason the Marlins spent over a month trying to work out a Stanton trade with the Giants and Cardinals even though he had a full NTC, was never going to approve a trade to either of them and the Marlins knew it.
What does Stanton have to do with this? I really don’t understand how the marlins fleecing the Yankees in trade has to do with anything said above. Remember when people actually said the Yankees won the trade hahaha clowns. Any time you get rid of a player making 200 mil for a small market team it’s a win but you collusion experts don’t understand
Theo is the reason the Cubs suck. He can’t develop pitchers and he overvalues his own players.
@iverbure what I’m saying is a team or player knowing going in that what they are about to do is 100% guaranteed to fail and be a complete waste of time doesn’t always stop them from doing it.
@ryan Its exactly how managing works. The Padres were 41-40 at the halfway point and Green lost the confidence of his players with his moves. It showed in the record. They fell to 16 games under .500 when he was fired.
The Padres have their farm system ready. It is still one of the best in baseball even after 40 players saw made their major league debut over the past 2 seasons and 24 this year. Their needs are not on the farm, they are veteran leadership on the major league squad. A top notch starter and a CF that can both hit and field. They also need to move Mejia off catcher. That is all. They showed they could play .500 ball with that roster. Green just could not keep them playing good ball.
Finally. He didn’t have much to work with but he also never showed that he was capable of the job.
Not much to work with? He had plenty to work with, but he also sucked as a leader.
Padres are not ready to contend yet.
Wash is in a place and position where he belongs, hope he realizes it himself.
Agreed
41-40 at the halfway point says you are wrong about them not being ready to contend. Green just could not get the best out of them. He lost that team after the ASG.
Well that’s going to set them back another 5 years. I don’t think we’ll be seeing them in the playoffs any time soon.
I’m sure firing Andy green is really going to set them back…. They might as well just trade Tatis and Paddack after this tragedy.
You sure know a lot about baseball, NOT
jbigz12’s comment was clearly intended to be facetious.
From my understanding when managers get fired at odd times it’s generally because the veteran players go to ownership and tell them the manager has lost the team. I’m not saying that’s what happened here but that’s what has happened in quite a few of these circumstances
What veteran players?
Id consider Myers, Hosmer, machado, kinsler, richards veterans
Right, but how many players in that bunch really have a right to speak? You could throw in Craig Stammen as well. Even Greg Garcia. Those guys are performing up to expectation. Kinsler, Myers, Hosmer, not so much, and Richards needs to keep his mouth shut.
I follow the Padres, and I must admit I have been wondering if the team just stopped caring in the second half.
What does it mean to “lose the clubhouse”? The players stop being motivated to play for the manager? Yeah, probably. I am a teacher, and this reminds me of classroom management. The students should care about their education, but the teacher seems to have to always win them over. What was Green’s problem? Not “alpha” enough?
What a bush league move. This is throwing a guy under the bus for no reason whatsoever. Just tell him after the season is over that you will move on and no one will bat an eyelash. I really hoped Preller would be a bit more classy….
Having said that, it’s safe to say that the second half has been a disaster. I’m not a Padre fan, so to people that watch the Padres play a lot: Is it fair to say a different manager could have gotten significantly better results?
They might just want to try Barajas out
So if the Padres go 7-0 next week they hire Barajas? I doubt that. Its just a bush league no class typical Preller move
I think the move came above Preller, Fowler is tired of losing along with the other owners
That might be a real problem for the franchise. Owners should hire the best baseball people they can find and let them do their jobs. GMs hire/fire managers, owners hire/fire GMs. If the owners are making GM decisions, nothing good will come of it.
Green was terrible at his job so he got fired. Owners are the final decision maker in any business. It’s not just up to the GM in any business.
When the writing is on the wall, rip the band-aid
If they do indeed want to try Barajas out, I don’t think a handful of games at the end of a disappointing season is the right way to do so.
Barajas has very little and maybe no shot at being the next manager. The manager and the bench coach are the ones that set the tone in the clubhouse and on the field. They are the ones that are ultimately responsible for the play on the field. The Padres went from 41-40 on June 28th to 69-85 on Sept 20th. Over those 3 months the team collapsed to play 28-45 ball. That is Green and Barajas’ responsibility.
Preller has no class. Should have done it next week
Preller is a graduate of the Jon Daniels school of general management. Classy-ness is not on the curriculum.
Guy sucked, why wait? If you suck at your job, do you expect your boss will wait until after the holidays? Because that’s not how business is run.
Buck Showalter?
Girardi prob.
Girardi prob
Neither
Maddon?
Perfect for Maddon.
@ ray—-with you, except Maddon is a perfect fit anywhere. Seems like he will have his choice and guess close to home Philly would be near the top of the list. Wherever he goes, that team will improve immediately.
Don’t count Maddon with the Giants……
Count out
Considering the fact that most really good teams aren’t going to be searching for a new manager and he gets to pick where he wants to go, I think saying wherever he goes will improve immediately is about as safe of an assumption as you could make…
ThankGod
Thank God
twice.
These types of firings never make sense when you’re in the outside, looking in. You have one week left in an-already lost season. Let the manager finish it and fire him the day after the season ends.
Long overdue. This guy gives up by the 5th or 6th inninng and the players don’t even look like they respected him. A hispanic manager needs to take over and spark a fire in this team.
Not trying to start anything here but would a Hispanic manager have had the same roster?
Because ethnicity has something to do with being a competent manager in what way?
maybe he/she works in HR for a major corporation as they believe diversity is the only thing that matters. If you have diversity, you will be successful, regardless of whether you have products or services anyone wants.
Well, 1/3rd of the league is Hispanic. They’re woefully under represented in the management and executive ranks. I mean, it’s 2019, not 1964.
Soldier….wait! What?
Not a Padres fan nor a Padres hater so I can give you an unbiased opinion. No starting pitching, no bullpen not to mention no offense aside from Machado, tatties Junior when he was healthy and Costner. What did they expect?
Kevin Costner’s on the Padres? Damn, did not know that. (I actually do not have the slightest idea whom you’re even referring to)
Cashner…..not really that difficult. Didn’t even have to Google it.
Hosmer***
Comment and make up players! Biggolo, hit well this year, along with Tatis, Hosmer, at time Manny and Mejia.
Costner would be great for team morale, just look at all his baseball movies
Yeah, along with Shoeless Joe Jackson and James Earl Jones. Hadn’t you heard?
Not much of a baseball fan either, apparently.
Tatties Junior great baseball name
I guess signing Manny Machado was supposed to be a “win now” move and not a move that would enhance their chances of winning 2-3 years from now when all their farm players had a chance to develop some … It’s like Preller thought Machado was a magic player he could just sign and have his whole team get better instantaneously … Green deserved at least one if not two more years to try to develop their young core …
Win now? No, but this team should have been hovering around .500
Preller is idiot
padreforlife is illiterate
You might want to dismiss yourself A.J. You didn’t give enough to go sling with Manny and Hosmer.
A.J. Preller should be next…he provided Andy Green with the players!!!
Preller did provide Green with the players and they were expected to play .500 ball this year..
Those players Preller provided went 41-40 through June 28th, the halfway point in the season, even though Tatis missed the end of April, all of May, and a week in June, Ian kinsler was the starting 2B, and Margevicius and Strahm were still in the rotation.
Preller gets another year to see if he can add the couple of pieces the Padres need and get them into the playoffs. If he can’t, he follows Green out the door by the end of next season.
Maddon would be a good fit in san diago
So how the hell is Clint Hurdle still in the dugout. The Pirates have become an embarrassment. Never have seen a team phone it in like this. Lucky NL Central teams having them on their schedule late in a playoff race.
He should have been fired in the middle of the losing streak after the All Star game.
He has lost control of the team with all the fighting going on.
Should have been fired after his handling of the Rizzo-Hedges incident
FTFY
Could seriously see Joe Maddon end up in SD
I wondered why they extended him in the first place
They did that before machado fell to him. I actually think the did it the same time they signed hosmer
Nope it was about 6 months before the Hosmer signing
So about the same tIme
Possibly a good move in the long term, but why can him with 1 week to go? There is probably more to this story.
Head start on interviews? The last I heard. There were probably 5-7 teams that were going to dump a manager.
“We treated our last manager like a pile of garbage so we could talk to you a week early” doesn’t sound like the best sales pitch to me. Maybe that’s just me though.
That’s just you.
Joe Maddon’s new job just opened up.
I’ve never understood firing a manager or coach with days to go in the season. What’s the point. It’s not like the team needs those few extra days to hire a new manager for next season.
To send a message to the players? The clubhouse culture in SD sucks.
Funny how Hosmer was severely overpaid to change clubhouse culture, but when Machado became available, they apparently stopped caring about that factor.
Wait signing a overrated 1b to a massive overpaid contract in a era when teams were running away from such deals at precisely the position the industry figured out you didn’t need to overpay. Forgot to mention that one of their best prospects can only play 1st and they already had a god awful player at 1st on a god awful deal. But collusion right folks. Good to see a small market team actually get one of the big fish they said lol.
Once the playoffs start the Padres would not be able to announce a firing until early November nor would they be able to contact other teams about interviewing coaching staff that are under contract. This way they can make their intention known that they want to interview coaches on other staffs. The Padres have several coaches that have survived multiple managers, so that is also a consideration. It’s common for coaches to be fired with a week or two to go in the season.
An especially bad effort last night this isn’t surprising. The guys, led by Machado, just half try every game. When your team quits you have to replace the manager
Agree, many of the players on this team quit over the past 6 weeks. That could very well be more a result of the character of the players, rather than the ability of the manager to motivate; but, in professional sports the field general is always the one held accountable when player effort declines.
Ha ha…..Machado’s leading the team with his half efforts.
The general manager is incompetent, untrustworthy garbage who built that roster.
You can’t make chicken salad out of chicken s**t……
Blame green. He’d ride the same 3 pitchers that have proven to be effective when they had a tie game or a slim led and that said pitcher cost the team the win every time.
If they were “proven to be effective,” how could they “cost the team the win every time?”
They were not effective.
And you think pitchers that have proven to be ineffective would’ve been the wiser choice?
Maybe his options just weren’t particularly good…
Bingo
You can tell the quality of the post by the language that is used. The Padres were 41-40 on June 28th even with Kinsler as the starting 2B and France at 3B because Tatis was out from the end of April through early June. They were 16 games under .500 when Green was fired. Obviously he had the quality of players to play .500 ball. Instead the team fell apart in the 2nd half. That is his responsibility, not Preller’s.
A losing season was expected this season and Green’s wins and losses should not be the only gauge of his tenure. However, it appears this team quit on him and, while not entirely his fault, can’t be carried into next season. I hope management also has a conversation with Hosmer, who was brought in for his leadership, because lack of effort is unacceptable and he should have an influence with his teammates. Green conducted himself with class and I wish him the best of luck with his next job.
The expectation was a .500 season and the Padres were 41-40 at the halfway point. Exactly where they were expected to be. Green won’t get a managing job anytime soon. He is not well thought of in front offices around the game.
He has never had a decent pitching staff to work with.
Outside of this year, the offense hasn’t been anything notable either. The only thing notable this year was Tatis and Machado. Hosmer is fairly steady and Renfroe has pop, but not much else besides those four.
This seems to be a pre-mature firing.
Why do the managers always get the blame, then fired? It is not their fault. Nor that of the various coaches, when players do not produce with expectations. The players have the responsibilities. From the moment they are drafted, to their arrival in the majors, they should have the skill sets to perform consistently. It’s as if once athletes across sports receive pay days, they start to become complacent and lose the drive to succeed at a high level. They should be released or traded.
Green had almost no experience and he continues to make the same stupid mistakes that cost the team about 10-15 wins this season, that he made his first season.
San Diego is a relatively smaller market team than the Dodges, Giants and Angels. Similar to the Athletics, but they find ways to remain in contention every year. It’s not just because of a manager. The entire effort is from the top down. From the people in the front office, GM David Frost to Billy Beane, to the dugout. Besides player-coaches are the new trend. Just because they have limited experience does not make a significant difference. They know the game from the other side. Look at Alex Cora with the Red Sox. Kevin Cash with the Rays. Rocco Baldelli with the Twins. It’s all about the strategies and whether or not the players can produce wins.
Angels ? In theory the angels are a smaller population in a smaller county than San Diego. It doesn’t help the padres that San Diego is a military town and angels are crap trying to snag the la name when they don’t even play on la county
The A’s and Giants are in the same market. The SD market is actually pretty large.
The Padres market is the 29th largest in the US. The San Francisco Bay area is the 8th largest between Houston and Boston.
https://mediatracks.com/resources/nielsen-dma-rankings-2019/
The Angels are in the LA-Long Beach market.. The 2nd largest in the US.
Maddon and Girardi have both proven very effective with young MLB rosters. I think Girardi is a better fit, as I find it hard to see a manager like Maddon going from making $5mil this year to taking the adjusted salaries being given to managers now.
Lol, lol, lol. Wrong hook Maddon is a joke. The Cubs didn’t win because of him, they won in spite of him. There will be many “thank God Joe is gone” parties all through the midwest. Dave Ross will be named soon I hope.
Though Girardi was let go because of communication issues with younger players.
Long over due
Names you’ll see for his replacement… Barajas, Mark Loretta, Girardi, Showalter, Bochy, McGwire, Maddon, Ron Washington, Scioscia, Derek Shelton, Joe Espada, and Mark Kotsay
Mark kotsay is another green.
Bochy is retiring. Idiot.
And Bochy just recently said that he is done in San Fran and would be open to managing again in the right situation. There’s probably one right situation—-and here it is on a silver platter. There’s a long history of those in sports that have “retired” to only be right back on the field. Idiot.
I actually think Bochy is being pushed out of SF (albeit with class). He isn’t Zaidi’s guy, and frankly, those World Series wins were a while ago. I think Zaidi just thought they were rebuilding and might as well keep him there since he’s going to be paid regardless, not to mention how much he means to the organization. That being said, I don’t think he’s retiring because he wants to per se.
I would love to see him go down to San Diego again. I think he’d be a better fit than Maddon or Girardi for sure.
Managing France’s WBC team is not the same as the MLB. He’s been in professional baseball for nearly 45 years. He might want to enjoy a summer off.
They fired him once. Why would he want to go back to SD.
No way. If you have heard him talk about retiring, he is sincere. I heard him talking about it with his wife during an event for their foundation. He is done and ready to go fishing every day.
It won’t be Barajas, Girardi, Showalter, Bochy, McGuire, Washington or Scioscia.
And for the last time, BOCHY. IS. RETIRING!
I honestly hope Bochy takes a job somewhere else just to see what you say…
Why are the beat reporters mentioning Bochy then? You need to inform them!
They are saying that he is one of the guys SD is considering. Said nothing about whether or not Bochy is interested, you clown.
You believe everything the beat reporters say? They are just speculating.
Yeah, we get it. Now you can stop posting it over and over.
Bull. If you guys truly got it I wouldn’t keep seeing people mentioning him.
I haven’t mentioned him.
You said “we get it.” Clearly others don’t.
Two you didn’t mention, Alou and Bard, are among the front runners. McGwire is not an option. Either is Shelton, Espada, or Kotsay.
Too bad. Good man. I’ll never, ever understand the mindset of someone who celebrates something like this. Anybody who has ever been laid off knows the devastating feeling that follows. Hope he finds success elsewhere.
He gets paid through 2021 to sit at home watching the game now so…
Good thing he is still getting paid for the next 2 years.
This has nothing to do with whether he is a good man. He sucked as manager and that is enough.
I wouldn’t lose a second feeling bad about Green he is still owed $2.4M I think I could handle that over a two yr period.
Green is not well thought of as a manager in front offices around the league. It is unlikely that he gets another managerial position.
This is just my opinion, but I believe the Padres are hoping to see a small glimpse of what Barajas can do so they can decide if he’s the man for the job next year. Now I don’t see Barajas being the best option personally, but this would make sense as to why to get rid of Green now. On a side note, I find it interesting that most Padre fans have been calling for Green to get the ax and now that he does people come out and wonder why he did.
Enter the next “yes man” for the rockstar gm…. 2020 competing for the playoffs?? Ssssuuuuuurrrreeee AJ
Pretty hard to win when you’re forced to trot out all the overpaid, average at best players (Myers, Hosmer) that the GM gave you. Same with an inexperienced pitching staff.
The Padres were expected to be a .500 team this year and they were 41-40 at the halfway point. The “average at best players” and “inexperienced pitching staff” got them to over .500, but Green could not make decisions that helped them stay there. He lost the confidence of his players and the team imploded to a 28-45 record from that point on. No manager keeps his job when he does not have the confidence of his players and fails to meet the expectations of his bosses year after year.
They need a proper hitting coach too. They need to stop signing the guys with no experience.
Mark Loretta might come back. Barajas…don’t think so. Girardi would be good. Not Andy’s fault. We are among the worst in errors and strike outs…that is not his fault. Different line up each day….I believe AJ was meddling. He thinks he is the smartest person in the room…..and the owners agree….but for how much longer?
It’s hard to manage a team when the gm pays $300 mill to a “young star” (debatable) who self admits he don’t try all the time. Bad that Tatis is hurt but ignoring the rotation and pen isn’t on Greene. That’s on Peller. Greene was just the scapegoat for pellet to keep his job. No chance Girardi would want to manage that debacle. Maddon is your best bet and that’s not going to be anything to look forward to.
As a Padre fan, I was for giving Green at least one more season to see what he could do with a better roster, but I was in Denver last weekend for a couple of games and it is very obvious that the team had quit on him. Once the team quits on a Manager, it is time for a change.
As for the people saying “the Padres should have waited until the end of the year”, who knows what happened internally at Petco. Management and Green may have met with the consensus being he would not be back next year and Green may have asked to be excused now instead of playing out the string.
Just as interesting as who will be taking over as Manager, the fate of Darren Balsley will be something to watch. He has had great success for so many years with so-so pitchers both in the rotation and bullpen, but other than Paddack this year, all of the Padres young pitchers didn’t take any steps forward in their development.
Girardi would be the guy I would like to see take over the helm of this team, as he would demand respect and is a combination of old school and new analytics. Not sure the Padres will cough up the dough to bring in such big name, but a man can hope.
Balsley is the Padres pitching coach until he CHOOSES to retire from baseball. He’s the longest tenured coach in baseball for a reason.
So the Padres next Manager does not have a choice on who his next pitching coach is? If that is the case, another puppet will be hired.
And to be fair, I have no ill feelings towards Balsley, but the next Manager should have his choice of a coaching staff.
He has a choice but one of those choices is to keep Balsley. Why would he do anything different? There’s a reason Black and Green kept him when they were hired.
Was the reason was because they were told too?
And again, no ill feelings towards Balsley, but the next Manager should be able to pick his own staff.
No. They chose to keep him. Why? Because he’s the best pitching coach in the game except maybe for Ray Searage. You don’t last this long in the same role without doing something right.
The employee does not choose if they still have a job. The employer does. It is no different for Balsley and the Padres. The new manager will get input on who his coaching staff is and if he insists on someone else, Balsley will be looking for a new job. I hope that is with the Angels if the Padres do part ways with him..
The same was true when Bud Black and Andy Green were hired and Balsley stayed regardless.
Why the Angels?
Because of my relationship with the team and my admiration of Balsley. Black and Green were first time managers. That is much different than Maddon or Girardi who have established working relationships with coaches. .
You have no relationship with the Angels.
Possible a conversation lead to his dismissal or the Padres wanted head start to look for next manager vs waiting until the end of the year.
Congratulations to John Maddon, Manager of the San Diego Padres.
Congratulations to the Chicago cubs on, er… nothing. Nothing at all.
John Maddon as Padres manager would be interesting at the very least…
Unlike most cubs fans online, I have the upmost respect for “Joe”. He’s a very good Manager, and a great human being. Shamefully, he got scapegoated by Epstein and thrown under the bus by cubs fans. I have no doubt he’ll win another ring before he hangs it up.
What a load of bull. I hope Maddon ends up there so you can continue losing.
And I hope the cubs keep Epstein and that sorry roster so they can keep losing too. Lovable losers my #%$.
I don’t see maddon as the next mgr. someone younger with good baseball knowledge and a mgr who can keep the team moving on a higher level, that 2020 is a playoff team with a NEW MGR.
@ ChiSoxCity
Nothing at all? Or nothing but the world championship Maddon helped bring that still makes your blood boil
Word——and he purposely called him “John”. He’s well aware of what Maddon has done for about 97% of baseball fans in Chicago.
It’s so bad for that fan base that they troll the Cubs on Padres stories. Still boiling over the Tatis fleecing and Machado miss.
According to cubs fans, they won that WS in spite of Maddon. Which is a complete load of bs. The cubs won more playoff games under Maddon than their entire history combined before he came there. They wine about guys not getting enough playing time, and relievers getting too many innings, blah blah. The truth is, Joe used the players he was given my the front office and put them in positions to succeed. That team was greater than the sum of their parts because of Joe, especially in 2016.
I’d like to throw my hat into the ring for consideration…you think this job is posted on Indeed.com?
About Time!!! Bring Joe Girardi or Joe Maddon !!! we need Winning Manager with Winning Culture come on Aj Preller and Ron Fowler make it happen GO PADS!!. 2020…
Padres have no talent, the FO is who needs to be fired, not the on field manager.
Shut up
cry about it
Strike Four is correct!! It falls on the front office before the manager! Also falls on the ownership! Go ahead, sign ANOTHER player for $300M, instead of several for less! One player does NOT make a team. Period.
Hire Bobby Valentine.
Not a Padres fan, but they are in a good position moving forward. I don’t think Green was the guy to take this team to the next level. I expect Preller to be extremely aggressive in the off-season to build the pitching staff around the young everyday players they have now. Buck Showalter could be the best choice especially considering his past relationship with Machado.
Green was a poor hiring decision by Preller in the first place. Padres need to let Preller move on
Worst Front Office in MLB. Absolutely clueless move. They gave him little talent and forced him to lock in two scrubs in Hosmer and Myers. They had like 7 players have decent or better seasons this year, out of 40. Green is a class act, SD is not.
Forgetting the Mets front office?
41-40 at the halfway point then the team collapsed. That is the manager, not the front office. Lots of talent. Bad manager.
Players with above average seasons
Machado
Tatis
Hosmer
Renfroe
Reyes (while he was a Padre)
Mejia
Paddack
Lucchesi
Lamet
Yates
Stammen
Perdomo
Baez
Munoz
That is 14 of 25 players that are on the roster at any one point. Green’s mismanagement of a half dozen others that were on the cusp of being above average is a big part of why he is gone.
Why do you mention Mejia after you have spent the better part of this season complaining about him?
I bet Barajas does get hired as the next skipper. I heard he’s been a rising star in minor league managerial rankings
Because he speaks Spanish right
How many 1 run games did we lose 30?
If Greene could manufacture an additional run we would be a wild card team.
I think it came down to the fact we couldn’t win any close games.
Green’s the fall guy. But really who has preformed this year outside of Paddack, Tatis, Yates, Munoz and Machado?
Bad defense, too many strikes outs, terrible bullpen for 3/4 of the season, low OBP, too man men left in scoring position etc.
A new manager won’t fix this team, but something has to be done to show “progress”.
Imagine a world where .250, 30/80 and .330 obp is considered “performing” for a $330m player lol
Which of those guys is owed $330m?
Would changing that to $300m really make a difference?
Yeah
Machado hitting .231 with 10 homers since break he’s not exactly performing
Green seemed like the wrong choice to me at the time he got hired.
David Ross
I like this suggestion. There’s something intangible about Ross. Need that balance of player management and in game management, easy to say, hard to achieve.
I’d say Cubs hire him and let Madden walk. Spend the few mil saved on a reliever or some minor league deals.
Probably the best thing they’ve done in a while. Never deserved the job in the first place and hasn’t done anything to really prove himself as a good manager.
My question is why they felt the need to extend him through 2021.
Preller also extended Myers. He should have gone 2 years on Myers. Hes owed 68.5 million more. We are stuck with him.
Preller should be moved to scouting.
I really would like to see Myers moved to Milwaukee’s line up at first base if San Diego would eat a bunch of the money. Another thing they need to move in the fences. People I look at possible fits would be Showalter, Joe Girardi, Ron Washington, Mark Loretta, Jason Giambi, Sandy Alomar, David Ross and Ron Barajas. I think they should also consider Clint Hurdle. But I strongly believe that Joe Maddon isnt the right guy at all. His attitude and arrogance seems to have started to wear on people around the league.
I would really like to see Myers moved to Pluto.
Firing a manager for performance-related reasons with a week left in the season is nothing short of tacky and there’s very few tackier than A.J. Preller.
Buck Showalter. He turned the Os around quickly
Of that list I’m thinking Alou and Loretta are the only ones with a real chance.
First choice is Bochy. I wasnt a fan when they let him walk. The guy knows how to roll the dice in tough situations and get the most out of veterans.
BRING BOCHY BACK!
My thoughts exactly. We have suffered long enough, text book rebuild. Temp manager until just before the team is to take off. Sign an ace pitcher to go along with Gore and Paddack.
Seems odd to do it now and not wait until season end just a week away. I’ll tell you this, they better not have rumors or hires of coaches on playoff teams. Ex Ron Washington… A.) Braves don’t need that distraction nor any playoff team. B.) Braves better not lose Washington. Head coach or not, he’s the real deal
Lets engage in a civil discourse. Yes in regards to Bochy’s claim that he is retiring, one can conclude the Pads are out of the question for him. Still, he has left the door open.
Who do you recommend then?
Bochy is retiring. Period.
Knowing them they’ll probably hire someone obscure. It certainly won’t be Girardi, Showalter or Maddon. I wouldn’t hate to see them go with Moises Alou.
Moises Alou is past his time in the game, let’s get someone younger fire and a Mgr the players will respect.
I bet they wish they could void that Machado contract.
It sure would be in pretty poor taste if Bochy accepted a manager job this quickly considering all the retirement gifts and ceremonies he’s received in all the visiting ballparks after declaring his retirement. I don’t know how many people actually care but as a lifelong Giants fan, it would certainly bother me.
So why can’t the Pirates show some guts and fire Hurdle?
They will
Andy Green was the rebuilding/developmental manager during his time with the Padres. Green was pretty much Preller’s puppet during that time. Signs were pointing to 2020 and beyond as the years of contention such as the contracts of Machado and Hosmer along with the change to brown and gold jerseys.
Madden & Machado in S.D. the two biggest
egos in the National league. It would be a real fiasco !! You would have to make the clubhouse door a lot wider to fit those
two fat heads. Can’t stand either one
Just because you’re on a list doesn’t mean they would interview for the job. I fully expect some of those, in the next few days, to speak up and say they are not interested.
word out of SD..is Alou, Bochy, Loretta, Sciosia and Washington on short list for SDP job
Preller is the one who really needs to be shown the door. He’s the worst.
Bingo
CORRECT! Signing ONE (overrated) player to a 10 year/$300M contract?? Ridiculous! That move, as well as others, should have him on the street! Always the manager. Always the blanking manager. Ownership and upper management are always off the hook. Sad truth.
Why? Preller gave Green a team that was expected to play .500 ball and was 41-40 at the halfway point. That the team gave up on the manager and limped to a 28-45 record over the next 3 months before Green was fired is 100% Green’s responsibility.
Say it again. I don’t think they heard you the first 100 times.
Take Clint Hurdle PLEASE!
Also Bochy is retiring so I think that’s a No
I’d say its Loretta or Washington that comes to be the next Mgr.
John Farrell
Green probably wanted to disciple Manny for that bonehead play at 3rd last night where he didn’t try to tag Adam Jones. Irregardless of the timing they knew they will need to find someone to build a winning team attitude around that very talented very rich child.
“Bruce Bochy, Mike Scioscia, Moises Alou, Ron Washington, and Mark Loretta”
Retired, retired, ?, said he will never work for any team other than the Braves, ?
Preller is an absolute moron.
Could see it being Alou or Loretta
ALou is too old, I would say Loretta who always had the fire as a player could possibly energize this team once again.
Bingo
Mike has said he wants to manage again if the fit is right including when asked about the San Diego position. So he is not out of the question. Maybe a bad fit but a possibility. Bochy would not rule out taking the job with San Diego so he is not out of the question either. Alou is a front runner for the job and he already works for the Padres. Mark Loretta is a bench coach for a winning organization and worked in the front office of the Padres after retiring. He lives in Poway in the offseason. Ron has said that he would like to manage in the majors again on many occasions. If the Padres come calling after the Braves season is over, he will certainly interview for the job. I believe he is a bad fit for the Padres, but he is certainly not out of the question. Anything else moronic you want to say?
They should hire Kim Ng. She’s a genius and needs a chance.
She was talked about for the GM position when Hoyer left for the Cubs, not sure how she’s qualified for a Manager position?
WHAT??
Green was fired, not Preller. Why would Ng’s name come up in this thread?
IF he wants it, the job is Bochy’s. If not Bochy, I wouldn’t discount Scioscia. Some of the Padres ownership group are members of the O’Malley family, longtime Dodgers owners. They grew up either watching Scioscia play or coach with the Dodgers, and then saw him manage the Angels. Scioscia did retire from the Angels job, but has said he would manage again if the right job came along. He’s also from the Philadelphia area, and the Phillies could do worse than consider Scioscia if they think “suntan” Gabe Kapler is done.
Both are retired
Scioscia has said he wants to manage again if the right position comes along. He is not a manager that jives with the analytics well, so not sure he is a good fit in San Diego.
These days you basically have to embrace analytics to get hired as a manager by any team.
Green had his chance the team and players lost their fire the second half and it was time to say goodbye. I ‘d like to see either Maddon or Showalter come in, pay them what their value is I’d bet one of those two would bring us at least a wild card in 2020
WHAT chance? The players need to perform. They haven’t. I’ve seen so many boneheaded plays by the Padres infielders these past few years, for example. Sickening! Don’t forget the crappy hitting either. It’s always on the manager though, isn’t it? Oh, don’t forget the mediocre pitching either. But that’s Green’s (and all managers) fault too. Yeah right.
It’s the managers job to get the players to play to the best of their ability. They did that the first half with a 41-40 record after 81 games. They are 16 under .500 today. That is the manager’s responsibility and that is why he was fired. If they finish out the year a game or two below .500 Green comes back next season to see if they can make a run at the playoffs.
Something makes want to type the words kind of and also sort of hehe
Did I just read a misprint on my local Fox Sports game? The ticker at the bottom said that GM AJ Preller was fired as well as Green. Is that true? I haven’t read anything like that on this site.
God, if only. You must have misread it.
New Manager and Pitching coach need to let these starters go past 6 innings when on a roll…6 innings seems to be the norm here in SD….Too many times the bullpen blows up a good game!…How many complete games do we have? 0!
There will be no new pitching coach. Balsley is God.
Padres fans everywhere are saying good riddance to Green. One of the worst managers we have seen on a southern California team.
Alou, Loretta, and Bard have to be near the top of the list for replacements. Maddon if he is let go and Girardi also would be good veteran options.
Barajas is a good minor league manager, but he was there through the collapse in the 2nd half that took the Padres from 1 game over .500 to 16 games under .500 so that takes him out of the running.
A big question is will Hoffman and Ballsley, coaches who have survived several manager changes in San Diego, still be with the club once they find a new manager? They are both very talented coaches, but a veteran like Maddon or Girardi is going to want to bring in people they are familiar with.
I doubt whether Barajas’ presence during the 2nd half skid will make any significant difference. He wasn’t the one calling the shots. However, I get a sense that they will want to bring in someone from outside the org so that would be what takes him out of the running.
Balsley is going nowhere.
The bench coach is 2nd in command and the manager makes few decisions without discussing it with his bench coach. Barajas is the guy that is charged with interacting with the players to implement the decisions he and Green made and he was a big part of the slide in the 2nd half. I have never seen a bench coach of a team that gave up like the Padres have in the 2nd half get named the manager the following season.
The Padres are going to bring in either a guy like Loretta or Bard that has shown his chops as a bench coach for a team that utilizes analytics at a high level or an experienced manager like Maddon or Girardi that has shown an understanding of how to utilize the analytics the best teams provide their manager and players.
Balsley is a great pitching coach, but the new manager is going to get his say as to who his coaches are. It may turn out that an experienced manager like Maddon or Girardi will want someone they are familiar with. In that case, Balsley will be gone.
Only bench coaches I can think of in the past several years who got promoted to manager after the manager was fired and lasted in that role beyond that season are Brian Snitker with the Braves and Mike Shildt with the Cardinals. So the odds are stacked against Barajas to begin with. I just don’t think they are going to penalize him for the team’s performance before he became manager.
“Experienced managers” aren’t the popular choice anymore, like it or not.
Balsley stays. He is the longest tenured coach in MLB for a reason. They’d have to be plain stupid to let him go.
I am a few decades older than you so I have seen my share of bench coaches become managers. None of them were from teams that went in the tank after playing well the first half of the season.
Maddon in Chicago. Hinch in Houston. Francona in Cleveland. Mattingly in Miami. Melvin in Oakland. Black in Colorado. Hurdle in Pittsburgh. Ausmus in Anaheim. Gardenhire in Detroit. Just to name a few. Experienced managers are definitely still popular.
I get that you like Balsley, but his job is by no means secure. New managers get input into who their coaching staff is and if the guy Preller, Fowler and Seidler want says no to Balsley, then he won’t be back regardless of your feelings. The Padres pitching staff has regressed each of the past 3 seasons. In the 2nd half this season they completely collapsed, especially the bullpen which has been his speciality. His tenure does not work for him if the pitching staff does poorly, it works against him. I really like him as a coach too. That does not mean he will be back. Padres fans can hope that he is, but it’s not a certainty.
You don’t know how old I am. But even going back years, most new managers come from outside the org. Even if the team had done well I doubt Barajas gets the job.
I meant more like the old school type of managers aren’t popular. Like Dusty Baker or Ron Gardenhire. It’s fairly certain the Tigers will let Gardy go when they are ready to return to relevance. The other names you mentioned are more new school.
The Padres pitching staff wasn’t built to last this season. You know that. They had a bunch of rookies and guys on innings limits/pitch counts and the staff was clearly gassed by the halfway point. And who exactly could Maddon or Girardi bring in that is better than Balsley?
You said some time back that you were in college or just graduated from college. Not sure which it was.. I would say I am at least 3 decades older than you.
It doesn’t really matter who is better. It matters who the manager is familiar with and comfortable with. That does not mean Balsley will be gone, but any time there is a managerial change all the coaching staff is at risk of losing their jobs. That includes Balsley.
I never said that and you ignored half my comment
They can get comfortable with Balsley just like Black and Green did. I’m sure they’d have liked to poach him when they were with Chicago/NY. No manager with any brains in their head would think to let Balsley go.
Joe Maddon to San Diego. Lol. Hes gonna ruin tatis jr. Playing him at 4 different positions a week.