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Orioles Notes: MASN, Elias, Bundy

By Jeff Todd | November 19, 2019 at 6:47am CDT

The Orioles have lost another legal ruling in the Mid-Atlantic Sports Network saga that never ends. As conveyed through an AP report, the New York trial court has reaffirmed its major recent decision upholding an arbitration award in favor of the Nationals, who have sought for years to force the O’s-controlled MASN to pay more for their television rights fees. It’s time for the Baltimore club to pony up some long-awaited payments to its southern neighbor, the court ruled, with interest now running on the balance due. This doesn’t end the matter — the O’s can still pursue recalculation of the profit tabulations, appeal these trial court rulings, and/or fight the next market re-set period — but it does mark another step towards final resolution.

More from Baltimore:

  • Orioles GM Mike Elias chatted with Jon Meoli of the Baltimore Sun about his first year in charge of the organization’s baseball operations. Elias conveyed broad optimism about where things are headed, while taking every opportunity to caution fans not to expect too much too soon. Process is the name of the game here. “I think the most important thing of this year has been the capabilities of the [baseball operations] department,” he says, though he also noted some player-development strides in the minors and even at the MLB level. Elias warned: “We’re still going to be in a process where it’s possible that we take a step back to take two steps forward at the major league level.” Even once some strides are evident, he noted, “these types of rebuilds don’t always progress linearly.”
  • Trades of veteran players are a potential part of the O’s strategy, of course, which Elias acknowledged. So what of righty Dylan Bundy? Rich Dubroff of BaltimoreBaseball.com looks at that possibility. While the accounting of Bundy’s trade candidacy doesn’t reveal an especially enticing profile, it does highlight an important point about the former first-round pick: despite some ups and downs in the performance department, particularly in terms of controlling the long ball, Bundy has thrown a good number of solid-enough innings over the past few seasons. Teams routinely pay good money in free agency hoping for the sort of 2-2.5 WAR season Bundy just turned in. He’s projected to earn a palatable $5.7MM with one more season of control remaining thereafter. Bundy posted a career-high 12.9% swinging-strike rate last year and only just turned 27, so perhaps there’s still hope there’s more in the tank.
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  1. jonnymac2for1

    6 years ago

    Palatable isn’t a word that baseball readers palatable.

    Reply
    • spinach

      6 years ago

      There’s a lot of ways to use the word “there’s”.

      Reply
  2. DolphLundgren

    6 years ago

    Anyone else feel this is a lower point than 98-11? Or is it just fresher in my memory?

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    • fs54

      6 years ago

      Not an Os fan but live in the area, I don’t see how 98-11 wasn’t worse. They were not actively trying to compete and they were not rebuilding either. Just floating in space. Now you know that they have a plan at least.

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      • osfandan

        6 years ago

        Amen. I can take this because there is a plan and purpose. 98 through 11 were literally wasted with no direction whatsoever.

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        • Jbigz12

          6 years ago

          98-11 was a nightmare. But I’d argue that in 2008 Andy Macphail got us on the right path. When he dealt Bedard for the Tillman/Jones package.

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  3. Freddie Morales

    6 years ago

    I think Bundy is a very probable target for the Mets. He’s affordable, team controlled for more than one year. That’s the type of trade Brody goes for.

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    • JoeBrady

      6 years ago

      Citifield might also be very productive for Bundy, given that his HRs are his only major pitching issue.

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    • wordonthestreet

      6 years ago

      But Bundy has not performed well so why would any team want him. He has minimal value.

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      • Jbigz12

        6 years ago

        The Phillies traded for Jason Vargas and the brewers traded for Jordan lyles at the deadline last yeAr. Bundy is comparable with arguably more upside. The o’s won’t get much in a deal but I have no doubt there is some interest.

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      • seamaholic 2

        6 years ago

        Bundy’s better than you think. There aren’t many rotations in baseball in which he wouldn’t be the #3 or #4, going off of last year’s results. And some where he’d be #2. He’s also still young. I think he’s quite an interesting target, for plenty of teams.

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      • AssumesFactNotInEvidence

        6 years ago

        @wordonthestreet, Bundy’s WAR was 2.5 last season and yet you say he has not performed well. You are a moron. Stop posting. Thanks.

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  4. nats3256

    6 years ago

    This MASN nonsense is crazy. Multiple teams are making over a billion dollars on their TV deals, while the Nats have to put up with a fraction of that percentage.

    Reply
    • Brianno86

      6 years ago

      “put up”

      Reply
      • jd396

        6 years ago

        “There’s kids starving in China, eat your meatloaf”

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    • realgone2

      6 years ago

      Yet somehow won a world series despite such a “hardship”. Nats fans biggest whiners in MLB.

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    • User 4245925809

      6 years ago

      In modern day times a team wouldn’t be allowed to poach another teams TV market period. It shouldn’t have been allowed to happen at all. The orioles were forced into allowing a team into DC in the 1st place. Can’t blame them for taking as much as they could monetary wise as possible from the situation.

      Would dearly like to see what empty promises and threats used by Selig and company went down from the start.

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      • joeflaccosunibrow

        6 years ago

        Get out of here with your facts! -Every Nats Fan

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      • themaven

        6 years ago

        Totally agree with this,the Orioles were definitely screwed over when the Expos were allowed to move in.
        How would the Yankees have responded if the Expos were relocated to Newark?

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        • joblo

          6 years ago

          Yeah, and the Washington Senators were screwed over when the St. Louis Browns were allowed to move in.

          Reply
      • Papabueno

        6 years ago

        In 2005, MASN was created to televise both O’s and Nats games, and the O’s were given 90% equity to the Nats 10%. The shares would adjust annually but the largest stake the Nats could get was 33%.
        Ya boy. Those poor Orioles sure got screwed. The Nats generate more MASN revenue but only receive a fraction of what the O’s get.
        Let me grab my violin

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        • camdenyards46

          6 years ago

          They generate more but they also moved into the orioles market…

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    • LordShade

      6 years ago

      That was part of the deal when they agreed to change cities.

      Reply
  5. JoeBrady

    6 years ago

    “these types of rebuilds don’t always progress linearly.”
    ———————————————–
    Always a useful warning. There’s a lot of teams out there, where you expect 81 wins, get 71 wins, and next season, they’re at 91 wins.

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    • Jbigz12

      6 years ago

      Yep. Can’t stress that enough. You see so many fans worrying when a rebuilding a team wins 62 games in year 2 of the rebuild or something. And it makes absolutely no difference. I’d rather have the team win 65 games and have the young players progress further than go out and win 75 because a bunch of vets in their contract year had a nice season.

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  6. dt47

    6 years ago

    Front Office will continue to spin a very long road ahead to being competitive

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  7. its_happening

    6 years ago

    Relocate after the 2021 season when the lease is up. Otherwise, figure it out.

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    • niched

      6 years ago

      Why would they relocate rather than sell? A badly run team is a badly run team whether it’s in Baltimore, Anaheim or Queens.

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      • its_happening

        6 years ago

        Because the franchise does not want to share with the Nationals. Relocation would avoid that.

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        • joeflaccosunibrow

          6 years ago

          The rent paid by the Orioles, and Ravens, is a sweetheart deal. No chance they leave. William Donald Schaefer made sure it wouldn’t happen again.

          Reply
        • its_happening

          6 years ago

          If the O’s could secure a TV deal for big money they’d absolutely leave regardless of the “sweetheart deal”. This is why they continue to fight.

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        • Birdsfordays

          6 years ago

          Spoken like someone with no idea about the situation. Mr. Angelos owns 70% of MASN. The Orioles have no interest in leaving that.

          The Birds are fighting to pay a smaller piece out to each team for their television rights. They want to keep a larger piece of the television money. They for sure do not want to leave the arrangement. What would that change if they did? They’d still owe the back money to Washington.

          Your suggestion of that is contentless conjecture from someone that hasn’t the faintest clue about the issue. You either want to rile up O’s fans or you like talking out of your hole.

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        • AssumesFactNotInEvidence

          6 years ago

          @Birdsfordays, winner winner winner
          Best weird new phrase in a comment, “contentless conjecture”
          Best name calling without specifying who the name applies to: “someone that hasn’t the faintest clue about the issue”
          Awesome blowhard comment sir!

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        • Birdsfordays

          6 years ago

          Thanks little buddy. Made sure I put a comment in there for you so you could get your rocks off. Sleep tight.

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        • its_happening

          6 years ago

          Birds….interesting, because I know a local who said Angelos and the O’s make a ton off the Nats since they are the watchable team, not Baltimore. Yet it’s Baltimore that has the issue. Interesting indeed.

          What I know? They can stop complaining and be happy the Nats help them make money or leave Baltimore after the lease ends. Find a new location, secure a TV deal and a stadium for 2022 and be rid of the drama over MASN (which they helped escalate).

          All I see from your comment is, well, conjecture.

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      6 years ago

      There is a better chance the team is sold than relocate. And neither is happening.

      Reply
  8. mike156

    6 years ago

    “We’re still going to be in a process where it’s possible that we take a step back to take two steps forward at the major league level.”
    Translation: We have no intention of being competitive for quite some time if we can sell off anything. Tough to hear if you are an Orioles fan unless you believe a long period of penance is good for the soul.

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  9. Matt Tobin

    6 years ago

    Bundy is a perfect target for either the Brewers or Twins.

    The Brewers because he is a decently dependable arm that won’t cost a ton of prospects(which the Brewers don’t have).

    The Twins because maybe Target Field helps his HR problem, which is really his major flaw. Kinda a Kyle Gibson replacement.

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    • heater

      6 years ago

      He may be a good change of scenery guy.

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    • stubby66

      6 years ago

      I like him in Milwaukee. That or put him in San Diego stadium , that would bring his homeruns back in line or even Atlanta for Camargo

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    • AssumesFactNotInEvidence

      6 years ago

      @Matt Tobin
      MLB average HR9 was 1.4 in 2019, Bundy’s HR9 was 1.6…major flaw?

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  10. 8

    6 years ago

    They should keep Dylan, His value could be a lot higher in a year in a half plus his value ain’t that great .

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    • Jbigz12

      6 years ago

      Bundy has thrown 614 innings in Baltimore and has 2 seasons of control left. At some point we have to bite the bullet and let another team pay for the “upside.” He’s probably not going to unlock a second gear here in Baltimore. If we can get back an interesting prospect I’d do it. It would definitely be a guy who is years off but we certainly have time to wait.

      Reply
  11. jdgoat

    6 years ago

    162 game season next season between the Nats and O’s. If Washington wins over 100.5 games, they win the court case. Baltimore wins it if they hold them under that number. This is the only acceptable solution.

    Reply
  12. Kk3445

    6 years ago

    Might not be a bad option for the Cubs if Hamels doesn’t come back.

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  13. Phiilies2020

    6 years ago

    Bundy still has a ton of potential. Playing for that team in that ballpark hasn’t helped him harness his potential. I think a team like the Astros and many others should be all over this guy.

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    • Johhos

      6 years ago

      Astros with prospects sounds much more plausible than MIL, if MIL isn’t giving up any top prospects. With two yrs of control , BAL is in a good position to hold him unless they find a winning deal. Phils might look at him but probably have sights set higher..

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  14. BeeVeeTee

    6 years ago

    Any team looking to contend and in need of a starting pitcher in it’s rotation for the next two years would be smart to take a chance on Bundy!

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  15. nailz#4life

    6 years ago

    Bundy to Astros. Could be Cole version 2.0……
    You heard it hear first !!

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      6 years ago

      Cole 20.0. First.

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  16. nemolee.exe

    6 years ago

    Why can’t the Nationals just give it to the Orioles for gods sake? There is an NBC Sports Washington, and the Nationals can move there.

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    • Fat Ralph

      6 years ago

      Because the Orioles would still own the Nationals TV rights. The lawsuit isn’t about the ownership of MASN. It’s about whether the Nationals will ever own their own TV rights. MLB never thought about the long term consequences of one team controlling another teams rights.

      If the Nationals can’t negotiate on the open market for their TV rights then we’ll never know what fair value is and the lawsuits between the teams will continue.

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  17. Wildbillpecos

    6 years ago

    I see no reason to trade (or attempt to) Bundy this off season. While he’ll never be the top of the rotation starter he was projected to be with all his arm injuries and diminished stuff, he’s still been a solid back end starter outside of 2018 when his hr/9 spiked to league leading levels. He’s a good bridge guy in the rotation the next 2 years while the next pitching prospect wave masters the high minors.

    If he does take a step forward (not impossible but unlikely) and have a big first half next year and limit the HRs you can flip him mid season to a pitching needy contender that will overpay for 2 playoff runs of a mid rotation starter.

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  18. BlueGreatDane

    6 years ago

    The MASN thing is far from over. Even if MASN is forced to pay the Nats the extra $100 mil, the Nats and MLB will force another fight for the next period.

    Why would they do that, you ask yourself?

    Because MLB is going to do whatever they can to get the Nats their own network, or at minimum squeeze MASN and the O’s to renegotiate the deal. That was ALWAYS the plan: give Angelos just enough to shut him up, then as he ages and some years go by, squeeze them to force a renegotiation.

    It’s as clear as day, and I’m stunned no one in the press has seen it.

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    • joblo

      6 years ago

      Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.

      Reply
  19. VegasSDfan

    6 years ago

    The knee was down!

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