As if the already convoluted 2020 season bargaining situation needed further complication, another potential curveball was spun this evening. Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, tells Bill Shaikin of the Los Angeles Times that playing baseball in the month of October may pose unwarranted risks.
Here’s the specific phrasing attributed to Fauci, who is one of the most visible authorities on the coronavirus: “If the question is time, I would try to keep it in the core summer months and end it not with the way we play the World Series, until the end of October when it’s cold. I would avoid that.”
Fauci emphasized that he wasn’t able to offer any certainties, saying that “this virus is one that keeps fooling us.” There’s obviously still quite a lot of science to be done on COVID-19.
But he made clear that he believes it likely the pandemic will worsen as the weather gets chillier. “Under most circumstances — but we don’t know for sure here — viruses do better when the weather starts to get colder and people start spending more time inside, as opposed to outside,” Fauci explains. “The community has a greater chance of getting infected.” There’d be added concern, he said, because of the potential “overlap between influenza and the possibility of a fall second [coronavirus] wave.”
This makes for an especially intriguing development given the ongoing grappling between the league and union over how long the 2020 season ought to extend. MLB has cited the very same concerns as Fauci now highlights in arguing against attempting play deep into the fall. But even its proposals have been premised on a typical October postseason. The player side hasn’t insisted on playing into November and beyond, telling the league of late that it’s ready to play “when and where” commissioner Rob Manfred orders. But the MLBPA position has generally been to offer up as much play as MLB wants to arrange (with full pro rata salary).
While Fauci’s viewpoints don’t represent specific constraints on the staging of ballgames, they’re sure to factor into the fraught public relations battle between ownership and labor. He has generally been supportive of resuming play, at least without fans in attendance, and has made clear he’s a big baseball fan who would love to see a 2020 campaign. It’s notable, too, that several key baseball states — Arizona, Texas, Florida, California — have already begun to exhibit worrying rises in COVID cases even at the outset of summer.
Colorado Red
The Same idiot who said 2 million would die, with everything done right.
jrussell92024
I’m done with that idiot.
BluffNuttz
Me, too. Completely. Why anyone would listen to a word Fauci says is beyond me. He is a complete idiot and a shameless fear monger. He admits that he has lied and misled the public and really has absolutely NO idea what he is talking about. He is clearly not qualified and just guesses. The small minded continue to hang on his every word. It really is a horrible indictment of our society.
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Care to provide some quotes showing that he admitted to lying?
whynot 2
Nope, just three run of the mill T heads
retire21
MAGA!
whynot 2
How you look with a mask on should in no way drive your decision whether or not to use it. Sadly, that’s is probably the deciding factor for some people. The fact you refer to it a “so called problem” demonstrates your inability to grasp the scale of the issue and that is what makes you look like a fool, not wearing a mask while driving.
Jim Carter
You hit it out of the park with that comment! Thanks!
Vizionaire
hat made in china!
whynot 2
413… I don’t think you grasp much very well, except your guns I’m sure or is it stroke?
George
Don’t worry. Those idiots couldn’t balance his checkbook. White noise from the peanut gallery.
bigdaddyt
Rather listen to him than the idiot who said if they stop testing right now it will go away immediately
detroitfan69
You seriously cannot be that ignorant to not understand what he was saying if you stop testing the numbers will go down of course they well that’s what he was trying to explain but no you want to twist the words God shut up stupid people
bigdaddyt
Must have been sarcastic
BaseballBrian
@Detroitfan69 Punctuation is your friend.
nymetsking
I don’t think they’re even acquaintances.
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Even if so, what kind of point was he trying to make? He babbles and throws in pointless information like someone desperately trying to come across as knowledgeable. Nobody needs to be told that testing/lack of testing effects the number of counted cases. He talkslike a 3rd grade imbecile.
haighwiser
Punctuation Police…♂️♀️Stop in the name of punctuation, your going downtown Detroit!
haighwiser
Punctuation Police…♂️♀️Stop in the name of punctuation, your going downtown Detroit69!
bkbk
Jesus, did an Aadrvark write this paragraph?
masam99
It is not exactly a good communication skill if you need to explain what someone actually said whether or not you agree with them.
George
No, he’s talking to third grade imbeciles like many of the posters on here that cqan’t even understand that.
mbgutt
Guy has been a government bureaucrat for forty plus years. He only worries about and is an expert in one thing. He would naturally over emphasize his area over all others and would be very cautious because if he is wrong and millions die he is finished, if he is wrong and only thousands die no one cares. He doesn’t factor the economy or anything else. We can’t just close the country for years until a vaccine is produced. We can’t live in our fears
whynot 2
No one was ever advocating for closing things for years. It was a matter of taking a careful, measured and calculated approach to reopening. Had the federal government done it’s job and coordinated the shut down across the country then had a plan for an orderly reopening rather then letting states do as they wished, things would be different. The mad rush to reopen early may just drag it all longer than if everyone had just worked together.
lavey
you don’t seem to understand how things work
johnrealtime
Right?! They need to science better!! ( I’m making fun of you)
paddyo furnichuh
@johnreal… your joke is unfortunately too relevant. Our nation has not done well in math and sciences in recent decades. It is a safe assumption that male sports fans aged <45yo are a narrower cross-section of the undereducated population.
bkbk
LOL. Dude the disease is gonna kill more Americans that WWII within a year and thats with the most aggressive lockdown the country has done in it’s history. Picking the number is splitting hairs. Respect the dude who has enough gravitas to move policy makers to slow down the carnage.
Also, what is your alternative other than yelling and shooting your gun into the sky like Yosemite Sam?
Halo11Fan
You and I agree with this. We have done everything to slow this virus and it might end up killing more Americans than WWII.
It’s already killed more Americans than WWI.
I’m not saying the cure is worse than the disease, but we might already be pushing the deaths of WWII had we not shut down the country.
JobuKnows
Hmm so you’re saying the majority of Americans who were killed in WWI & WWII were Senior Citizens? Cripes!
bkbk
There isnt a single sentence in this post that isnt outright wrong or misleading. Flagged and you’re a terrible American putting yourself before the greater community.
masam99
Sweden is getting hammered with a higher death per capita than the rest of Scandinavia and the US. Not exactly a model to follow.
George
Yep. It’s already overtaken the Vietnam War, WW I, the confederate army. Halfway to WW II. Fauci’s voice is the only sane one if they would listen to him. Nobody else could organize a rush to the outhouse.
George
The majority of seniors died in nursing homes, which speaks to the quality of care they get.
Howie415
He never said that.
Ann Porkins
Just like how people said this’ll all blow over in March… and then people said that only 100,000-240,000 deaths would be “good”… with how people are jumping right back into everyday life as soon as possible, it’s far too early to say 2,000,000 deaths is beyond possible.
Do you honestly believe MLB owners would lose billions over something that’s a load of BS? Since when has public opinion or the health of everyday people outshined people’s desire to profit?
Save a spot for me in dreamland, I could use a break from reality
Oddvark
Can you point me to any evidence that Fauci said 2 million would die? I tried to find it on the interwebs, but only found his estimate of 100,000 – 200,000 in response to a study that someone else published that estimated 2 million if nothing was done to prevent the spread.
scrapple22
Dr Neil Ferguson predicted 2.3 million deaths in a short amount of time. Then get tested positive and got caught breaking quarantine to go see his mistress.
George
I think early on he said they could go that high without an effective response.. Already over 100,000 and still climbing. The curve is barely flattening and they are starting to open bars and churches. Then you have the personal freedom morons that would rather die than give up their freedom to congregate in large numbers.
Lou$
Even if he did say that, there are almost 500,000 dead now, and the disease has a long way to go before it’s over. There is still a distinct possibility that there will be 2 million deaths, especially if people keep being idiots and ignoring preventative measures cause they feel like it. Without Fauci and the lockdown recommendation, more people would have died, unequivically. And just fyi, you are a jackass.
detroitfan69
Those figures are skewed as the hospitals are paid more if they listed as a Covid death then the actual cause of death so those figures are well inflated
twentyforty
Don’t forget the ticking time bombs whose systems can’t handle an accelerator like the virus. Kept alive artificially by drugs and medicine.
masam99
That is beyond ridiculous. Even if you have your own agenda, it is a nonsensical comment that demonstrates complete ignorance of how the health care system works.
GabeOfThrones
Really? Dang it! I was hoping that was going to be the bridge between the objective truth and what I want to be true! Oh well, just gonna have to find another path. Off to YouTube to educate myself. Later sheeple!
osfandan
Educates one self on YouTube, insults those more intelligent by calling them Sheeple….this is the problem with America, not democrats and minorities.
George
Wrong. Hospitals are paid more because intensive care treatment costs more. On the other hand, many deaths go unreported because people are dying at home because they don’t have insurance and are never diagnosed.
scrapple22
Actually, Dr Neil Ferguson predicted 2.3 million deaths. He’s the infectious disease expert who says jump and all the others, Fauci included, say how high? Every prediction on covid has been wrong, why would this be any different?
Oddvark
I just googled this, too, and again the 2.3 million death number was the model’s estimate if nothing was done to prevent the spread of the virus. It was never a real prediction, because of course things would be done to prevent the spread. It was just a worst case scenario. No one can say whether the 2.3 million deaths estimate was right or wrong because steps were taken. It appears that you may have misunderstood.
Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s how I understand what I’ve just now read about the Neil Ferguson “prediction.”
BlueSkies_LA
It isn’t a misunderstanding, it is a deliberate campaign to spread disinformation.
whynot 2
Their approach is why deal with real facts when I can make up my own
George
Well, new the 7 day average of new cases is trending up again. Deaths are still declining but they will rise in a couple of weeks. I’ll check back next Spring and see how the 2.3 fits.
ButchieYost619
How many lies must a liar tell before they are considered a liar?
mj-2
Didn’t he also say we’d be playing baseball by July 4th?
You’d think Fauci would get tired of being wrong on public record so often but nope, here he is again talking out of his butt.
bkbk
Yea, he was right, it wasnt the disease that stopped baseball starting on July 4th.. How can you be so willfully misleading?
CleatusAnkletaker
That weasel Fauci has 100% contradicted himself several times (on camera) regarding this covid nonsense.
I live in California and let me tell you there’s not too many people worried about this at all.
We just have a wack job for a governor who talks in circles about “projection models” …and every single one of those “projection models” have been completely incorrect to date
whynot 2
Just because you don’t understand what a projection model is doesn’t mean it is wrong or those that use that type of terminology are wack jobs. It’s ok to admit you are too uneducated to understand what is going on around you. We won’t judge you too harshly for your ignorance.
Manfredsajoke
Fauci needs to retire immediately!
SeaDogsForever
Wow..moron. HE did not say it. A study said it and that was if we did nothing in response. We DID do something to stop the spread and so we had less deaths. And you are calling someone else an ‘idiot’.
Stevil
He said there *could* be up to 2 million cases, not deaths, and that was in March. Getting the modal and the object correct was pretty important for a comment like that. You blew it!
Oh, and by the way, the US now has over 2.2 million confirmed cases. So, who’s the idiot?
DR J
Tommorrow he will change his mind again.
Datashark
where is this dr. about protesting, looting, etc — no problem, but baseball geez do not stand near each other…
Oddvark
Can you point me to any evidence the Fauci said (or even suggested) that there was no problem with protesting? Everything I find on the interwebs says that Fauci has repeatedly talked about the risks inherent in the demonstrations. He does seem to express his understanding that those risks have to be balanced against the demonstrators/political supporters rights to speech/assemble, but I can’t find any evidence that he says they are “no problem”.
ButchieYost619
Can you point me to the interview on not wearing masks?
Oddvark
Can you be more specific? Are you looking for an interview with Fauci where he says it’s OK that protestors don’t wear masks? Or do you want evidence that Fauci has said that protestors should wear masks?
NL_East_Rivalry
I am only guessing but early on in March the surgeon general said you should not buy masks. Maybe that’s what they are alluding to? Who knows.
GiantsFan121416
What about balancing the economy? So it’s ok to “balance” risk with protests but we’re ok with ruining people’s livelihoods over a mild virus? Why do you want to ruin the economy, Karen?
GiantsFan121416
Rapid leftists are immune to the virus, haven’t you heard? Rioting is ok, protesting is ok. Opening your business or taking your wife out to dinner? Awful, heinous and you’re clearly trying to kill people. Just two more weeks of this you bigoted racist fascist.
njbirdsfan
Do the world a favor and visit an ICU without a mask, thanks.
GiantsFan121416
Do the world a favor and stay inside for the rest of your life. The rest of us having living to do.
myaccount
Please catch COVID, GiantsFan!
GiantsFan121416
Don’t really care if I do lol. Very nice thing of you to say though! Very tolerant and accepting!
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When you do become infected, Einstein, just don’t come within six feet of the elderly and immunocompromised.
BluffNuttz
Yeah. If he does, there is a 99% chance he wouldn’t know he did because he wouldn’t have any symptoms.
BluffNuttz
I see the elderly all over the place without masks trying to live their lives. It is the idiot neighbor shamers that are the only ones who seem to care anymore. Oh, and the politicians intent upon pulling political stunts over a mild concern for most. It is amazing to me how many people are so scared over something that will never affect them. Those who have a brain and can think for themselves clearly see what is going on.
bkbk
This dude is gonna be begging for free healthcare when he and his wife get Covid from Golden Corral
Afk711
He ain’t wrong. Why do protestors get free reign but we can’t go to a reasturant?
osfandan
You must live in the south. I live in a more urban, educated area of America. Everyone is still wearing masks. Everyone.
GiantsFan121416
Probably already had it, again, don’t really care. Have fun inside, Karen!
GiantsFan121416
Nah, I’ll pass on the “free healthcare.”
GiantsFan121416
I live in a major metropolitan area. Nobody is wearing masks. Definitely not in the south. You seem to be stereotyping people. Sounds like you’re a bigot, racist, fascist to me.
GiantsFan121416
Cool. Nobody is forcing people to go outside. Karen, I get that you’re scared but you’re more than welcome to stay inside. The rest of us will keep on keeping on. Sorry your virus lost, Karen.
GiantsFan121416
Sweet anecdote. I have 3 friends who have had it and all of them are fine. You can continue to live in fear though, Karen. I’ll be outside.
MWeller77
“Rapid” leftists? The ones who are quick?
Nothing like a flurry of stereotypes combined with the wrong word!
* eyeroll *
GiantsFan121416
Lol at you sperging out over a typo. Sorry that leftists live in fear. You’re more than welcome to stay inside your entire life.
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Several months is an entire life now? Alt. facts? You seem scared.
masam99
I am a conservative who actually believes in science. The point of social mitigation is to reduce the spread of a viral outbreak when containment fails. This is not an ideological battle, but in these hypersensitive times everything becomes one.
CleatusAnkletaker
100% correct
SeaDogsForever
Oh he talked about it. You just weren’t paying attention. Or you ignored it.
Birdieman2
Shut up Fauci!!!
wild bill tetley
Protesting and rioting still ok though, Doc?
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He never said any such thing and is obviously not in position to forcefully put an end to protests. That’s #45’s thing. Grab a bible for a cheap photo op and shut down peaceful protesters with tear gas.
All American Johnsonville Dogs
And Dems wearing kente cloth wasn’t for show or cultural appropriation or anything.
Yes a medical Dr who’s been telling people to stay inside and not be within 6 feet of each other to halt the spread is in no position to tell protesters to stay inside and not be within 6 feet of each other to halt the apread.
Funny, he had no problem telling protestors like Michigan to not do it.
Google: Fauci warns protests will ‘backfire,’ slow economic recovery
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I said he can’t FORCEFULLY end protests, forcefully being the key word. He gives medical advice but can’t order the tear gassing of non violent protesters and doesn’t have the legal authority to stop protests by any means.
wild bill tetley
You must be a leftist since you can’t seem to take a joke. Way to take it serious. Had Governors enforced their own rules on Covid maybe there wouldn’t have been break-ins, window’s smashed, looting, theft and torched business. But since you are ok with it, I guess I am in the wrong!
Afk711
So what about the NFL Dr.? The league that is planning on playing for months in the heart of “flu season”
giantsphan12
The NFL won’t have a season. There is no way to put on a game with approx. 200-300 people and not spread the virus. Players on the Cowboys and Texans have recently tested positive just from training camps. With a potential spike in the fall, the NFL will be forced to shut it down.
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
I don’t know if they’ll eventually shut the NFL season down, but it makes sense to me that of the five major sports, counting soccer, the NFL has the biggest chance of being devastated by an easy-to-spread virus. They’ll be convening right when the fall spike is feared to hit, rosters are larger than any other sport, and of course, there’s occasional physical contact between players.
thornt25
Lots of NFL money is not guaranteed, so I’m not sure if players will be so inclined to shut down for COVID related reasons.
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
That’s a very good point.
osfandan
Too bad the players don’t get to decide if they play through a pandemic
DarkSide830
he’s talking about baseball, not football
bradthebluefish
What if the stayed six feet apart and wore masks? Which is much of baseball anyways.
pinkerton
Too many Grumpy Guses on this post…will be avoiding you lot!
johnrealtime
Right? Don’t threaten baseball fans baseball, it’s top priority clearly (with a hint of anti BLM)
dnr7
Pointing out the hypocrisy of taking a firm stance against ANY gathering of more than ten people vs the seeming acceptance of large gatherings of protesters makes us anti-BLM? That is quite the wide brush, my friend.
MWeller77
If it doesn’t apply to you, dnr, why are you mad?
GiantsFan121416
Yeah DNR, if you don’t toe the party line perfectly you’re a racist and a bigot. Move along now fascist.
SeaDogsForever
dnr7, you’re just full of untruths here. He didn’t take a ‘firm stance’, he was asked a question. Saying he would avoid it is not a ‘firm stance’. And the seeming acceptance is a falsehood. NO doctor has said anything but that they are very concerned about the crowds in the protests. If you have to tell multiple lies to make your point, you’re making a bad point.
SeaDogsForever
GiantsFan121416, there’s only one person claiming ‘total authority’ and firing people left and right. That’s fascism. That’s our President. For a few more months anyway.
MWeller77
More than a hint, johnrealtime. Racists tell on themselves pretty frequently on these boards
GiantsFan121416
“eVeRyOnE iS rAcIsT”
Vizionaire
only racists say so!
osfandan
A hint? The amount of people on here mentioning protesting and more so the word rioting….seems like they let the old Fox and friends get deep in their heads haha
jdgoat
All this bitter and shady negotiating is going to be for naught anyways. Like you say, the states that are opening are getting hammered. Players are not going to stay isolated for months at a time and are 100% going to get infected if they try and play in those states, which seem to be the best and most viable options for baseball. The whole season is screwed, who cares about the end of August.
wild bill tetley
Nothing you said here was correct.
jdgoat
Lmao good one
stwawk
I live in Maryland, we began a phased reopening a month ago. We are hardly “getting hammered.” Quite the opposite. Maybe you should listen less to the media and do your own research. You might learn a lot.
jdgoat
The ones that should be the host states are.
jdgoat
I live in Florida, we may as well have not even locked anything down for a few months. Like the baseball negotiations, it was all for naught. The numbers are staggering right now, no matter where you get your news, you can’t deny that.
jakerafferty87
80,000 total cases for a population of 21.5 million in Florida. I guess you could call that staggering. I personally wouldn’t. Not that Covid isn’t a problem, but we need to be careful about over exaggerating things.
wild bill tetley
Now that you’ve told us where you live can you stop rooting for the Blue Jays? We’d like to increase the fan’s baseball IQ and we can’t do that if you’re part of it.
jdgoat
I think it’s actually your five burner accounts that would bring down the IQ significantly. Not the real baseball fans. Get a life, troll.
wild bill tetley
JDwimp won’t listen. He’s already flagged my comment. I have a family member on this site and he used to do the same to him. That might be why he thinks I have burner accounts.
Facts triumph over feelings. Florida, and other states, were expected to skyrocket in cases. Perhaps personal responsibility should be something we can all practice during this Covid-19 period. Go out, be careful.
bkbk
Wait till it gets cold Dr Stwawk
Halo11Fan
I live in Nevada and we are rising rapidly. I wouldn’t go to a casino right now.
cecildawg
Stwawk? How many people live in Maryland? Several hundred now? lol
Vizionaire
what’s your own research? listening to the druggies on radio?
whynot 2
By research they mean listen to right wing talk radio and conspiracy videos on YouTube
dnr7
You should check out ProPublica’s per capita reporting on the infection rate over the last few weeks. The vast majority of the nation is flat with a couple exceptions. More importantly, hospitalization rates are flat or falling
whynot 2
Not on Arizona buddy, check out those numbers
wild bill tetley
Maybe they shouldn’t have protested and looted? Maybe?
whynot 2
Maybe they shouldn’t have gone out to bars and partied? maybe?
mike156
Cranky people on tonight….
Y’all realize, Fauci might actually be right? Maybe you don’t care, but it’s at least possible.
clrrogers 2
He probably is right. Common sense tells you cases will increase in the fall when it’s cooler. However, he’s been wrong so many times I wouldn’t change anything just because he says it.
mike156
There’s unquestionably some risk. Players can decide how much they want to take, and for some, who have specific vulnerabilities, you’d like to see them be able to stay out without penalty. As for fans in the stands, I don’t know how MLB is going to be able to resist the ticket sales for playoffs. And that’s going to mean some new infections.
Halo11Fan
It’s not the players who are at risk, it’s the post-season.
Players are healthy and will likely be fine. If a couple clubhouses get this, there is no post season and the owners will lose billions.
whynot 2
Let’s assume the players have an innate low risk of serious illness if they are infected, the people is not them but rather all the people around them that could be inadvertently infected. Regardless how controlled everything is, they will still come into contact with a number support staff at hotels and stadiums, not to mention coaches and team staff. They will also be in contact with their families, who could carry it into the general population as their movement will be less controlled. Once you think it through it is not as clear cut and easy as people would like it to be
davidk1979
Go away bro
nbowar24
People still pay attention to that guy?
neurogame
Scrap the season and replace Manfred. He’s had too many missteps since taking over.
carlos15
The guy who got everything wrong still gets to have an opinion?
caisaok
He has actually been mostly right.
skullbreathe
We were told 21-days of quarantine in March and it would be contained…
Halo11Fan
Had everyone quarantine for 21 days, it would have been. But he never said that. Not once.
It was all about slowing the spread and buying time. We have a way to fight it now, but it’s still like using a wrench to hammer a nail.
bkbk
We were not, jesus christ. We were told to avoid stressing the medical system while we learned more about the virus and found a cure ultimately. Ya’ll have the full breadth of the internet and still dont do research.
The only consistent thing amongst countries that went back to life were mandatory masks. Wear them
osfandan
Blame your President
DarkSide830
yeah, if everyone did (which i was hoping was what would happen, but here we are)
whynot 2
How about you do some research there is no such thing as a cure for a virus. If you are thinking of a vaccine, they are not cures. Once you are infected, it is up to your body to take care of it, vaccines just lower the possibility of infection.
KingTiger
Thank God for Anthony Fauci.
His is the only voice of reason on the COVID pandemic.
skullbreathe
No one is perfect but good Lord he’s been so wrong there’s a reason he’s not the go-to person for this virus anymore…
rightturnclyde
You have no idea the truth about that guy. He is not your friend.
dnr7
But… he told me he was from the government and here to help… what could go wrong?
DarkSide830
just because government people dont want to help you doesnt mean they want to hurt you or what they say might inadvertently help. if that guy did a bad enough job he would be removed at least for PR reasons.
oldmanblue
What a bunch of simple minds.
skullbreathe
Protect nursing homes and people over 65 especially those with pre-existing conditions… Do that and 95% of this virus is under control…
Ancient Pistol
More and more experts are advising we take this route.
chesteraarthur
Wait, so making nursing homes take covid patients is a bad idea?
Halo11Fan
Yes and no. Few healthy people are at serious risk. Fewer baseball players are at serious risk. But if a player get this, they’ll miss weeks, and if it spreads to the clubhouse, the entire team misses weeks.
Now if this happens in October, how are you going to play a post season?
I think most people are missing this. It’s a HUGE risk for the owners. That’s why I don’t think they’ll be a season. The recuperation time is too long.
whynot 2
Exactly, the teams are in the business of making money. Part of that is avoiding risks. Regardless of how many precautions a team may take, all it takes is one mistake or careless error by a player, coach, hotel employee, stadium employee, support staff, etc and the whole house of cards comes tumbling down along with a ton of money.
caisaok
Can all of the crybabies pining for a baseball season please take a step back and get a life? Covid is real. It is widely known in the health community that viruses spread more easily in the colder seasons. It’s called the flu season! Stupid is no way to live your life fellas.
skullbreathe
Let’s all crawl in a hole and have a good cry…
chesteraarthur
Yeah, and we close down for flu season every year…
Halo11Fan
If you compare this to the flu, you are insanely ignorant.
Most people recover from the flu is days. Some even hours.
dnr7
It’s so widely known that Fauci says its unknown
Ancient Pistol
My problem with Fauci is not that he’s warning the country, he has a responsibility to do so, but that when this first broke for some reason he decided to share infection and mortality estimates at the high end of their projections. In other words, they used statistical analysis to forecast future events based on existing data. When you do this, you get a band or range of possible outcome (an average and a high and low confidence interval range). He always seemed to use the highest possible estimate from the confidence interval.
As I said to my colleagues, Fauci is probably going to lose the confidence of the public because he is always announcing the worst case of their estimates. Eventually, when people keep hearing the world is going to end and it doesn’t they will no longer listen.
Afk711
I took stats once and this sounds about right.
billbucs
Sounds like a baseball fan using all the stats crap to snub a player that they don’t care about. Where’s the difference?
Ancient Pistol
Stats isn’t crap if used correctly. You may not like the thought, but probably statistics moves the world. It is a mathematical term to describe the likelihood that something will occur. From playing cards to weather forecasting and setting insurance premiums to jetliner flight patterns, all rely on this.
brucenewton
He stated 100-240K deaths with proper lockdowns. Currently at about 120K conservative estimate, with a few states fudging numbers to move ahead through the phases. He was pretty spot on, although everything opened too soon. 500K-1 million wouldn’t shock me by 2021 with thousands of evolving strangers rubbing shoulders daily.
wild bill tetley
There have been mass protests the last few weeks breaking rules for Covid-19 with no social distancing. We haven’t seen a massive spike. If the masks work then Fauci was incorrect about his initial assessment on masks working. Nonetheless we have not seen that massive spike we should have seen thanks to the protesters and looters. Fauci has not been spot-on, clearly.
bkbk
Its because he needed to scare the loser in office who is still unwilling to set and example and wear a mask when he goes to literaly COVID test manufacturing facilities. He did EXACTLY what he should have, which is overcompensate to counter bad leadership.
wild bill tetley
If that loser gets Covid-19, wouldn’t it be his own doing? And if he does, wouldn’t you be happy he did? You’d probably celebrate on twitter. If anything, guys like you should be happy he’s blatantly ignoring the mask.
Then again, Fauci said masks wouldn’t make a difference in the beginning. Logic is something you should strive to find sooner rather than later,
richard dangler
COVID is a hoax. Play the games with full stadiums.
Halo11Fan
In spite of all the shutdowns, It’s already killed more Americans than WWI, but it’s a hoax.
WWI was a hoax as well.
clepto
Idiot, the flu kills more than WWI every year. Whats your point??? Nice try, loser.
whynot 2
What in T’s empty little head are you taking about… 20 mil died in WWI. Do you really think the flu kills more than every year? I think the uninformed loser here is you clepto.
whynot 2
Go lick a door knob and tell if it’s really all a hoax
Buzzed Capra
Totally a hoax. They knew most of the gullible public would fall for it, and of course they were right. Reading the comments on here and other sites is amazing. Guess the citizens didn’t learn anything from non-existent WMDs leading us into crazy wars in the Middle East. That’s a lie that’s basically been owned up to, yet people continue to trust their government. The Gulf of Tonkin incident is another known lie. Not to mention 911 and all the other false flag events they won’t admit to causing.
chesteraarthur
Ok, but what if they burn down a building during the 7th inning stretch, then it’s cool, right?
bush1
Pretty much. Millions screaming and looting during the pandemic is cool. 5 people at a hot dog stand BUYING a hotdog is risky business. SMH
Halo11Fan
Not too many people with a brain are saying all these protest are cool.
Let me correct myself, no one with a brain are saying these protests are cool.
njbirdsfan
Yeah it must be really rough being a white guy in the north Chicago suburbs…and of course people like you had absolutely nothing to do with hoarding all the wealth in this country and forcing people into ghettos with redlining or anything.
ScottCFA
Spoken like a true Joisey northeastern Marxist!
Ancient Pistol
Redlining? I haven’t heard that in a while.
I think you need correcting on one point, however. I’m not sure middle and upper class whites in the northern suburbs are hoarding “all” the wealth. Most live comfortable lives but they aren’t uber rich.
MWeller77
ChesterArthur is an unabashed racist who has spewed bigotry on the MLBTR boards before.
njbirdsfan
Why not jackass? I pay for your lazy entitled ass and everything else, so I’ll say whatever I want.
njbirdsfan
Well they certainly know how to complain about everything
Vizionaire
yeah, that’s teatraitors!
bush1
Sure, it’s all my fault that caused these idiots to loot and riot. Got it. Stupid
bush1
Complaining about looters is bad? Uh ok… I’ll make sure to point those idiots your way in Jersey. Moron
whynot 2
In your own words define Marxist… no googling
NyHoppz
Not as cool as protesting over people’s freedom being taken away all from wearing a mask in public. That white privilege must be so difficult when that’s what you guys are protesting about
bush1
No, just commented on the idiotic looters, but go ahead and make stuff up
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
We gotta have baseball to avoid baseball in late October
bush1
Fauci is an idiot. He’s been wrong about so much it’s ridiculous.
chesteraarthur
Yeah, but that hasn’t stopped the media. He must have thought he could get away with it too.
madmanTX
You dudes attacking Dr Fauci are all morons. Enjoy the virus!
skullbreathe
That’s no way to address “peaceful protestors.” who per the MSM’s “medical experts'” no matter people being nuts to butts without masks, gloves or social distancing won’t spread COVID-19 It’s over. Americans are done with the con job…
1738hotlinebling
Lol it’s the flu ,
DarkSide830
please tell me that’s sarcasm, because we are so far past any justification for saying that at this point
BlueBleeder
This is clearly a statement meant to support the owners in the event of a grievance.
schellis 2
Can’t play baseball then but football ok. Got it
jmaa
Fauci’s 10 minutes of fame has long expired.
Oddvark
I haven’t followed Fauci all that closely, and I was surprised at all the crazy things he has allegedly said according to commentors in this thread. So I did a couple of simple google searches and found that most of the alleged statements were “fake news”. Here’s what I found:
“The Same idiot who said 2 million would die, with everything done right.” — Actually, back in March, it was Imperial College in the UK that released a study estimating that up to 2.2 Million could die in the US assuming the “absence of any control measures or spontaneous changes in individual behaviour.” This is the exact opposite of “everythign done right”. More importantly, Fauci didn’t support that conclusion, but actually estimated that there would be between 100,000 – 200,000 deaths in the US. That was back in March, and that still seems to be a pretty accurate estimate.
“where is this dr. about protesting, looting, etc — no problem”/”Protesting and rioting still ok though, Doc?” — Just google “Fauci on protestors” and you will see that he has consistently and frequently talked about how risky demonstrations/rallies are with respect to spreading the virus. He has never said there was “no problem”.
“So what about the NFL Dr.? The league that is planning on playing for months in the heart of “flu season”” — I didn’t find any recent comments, but back in early May he spoke cautiously about whether the NFL could play, commenting that games could be a “perfect storm for spreading” the virus, and that it might be possible to play games in empty stands if all players could be tested regularly. but ultimately concluding that it was too early to tell whether games could be played at all.
I don’t know whether or not Fauci has been right or wrong in most of what he says. But most of the claims about his wrong-headedness that I’ve seen in this comment section have not been factually accurate.
AHH-Rox
Sadly, actual facts (as opposed to “alternative facts”) don’t seem to have any effect on the devotees of the Cult of the Orange Narcissist.
bkbk
All of these people unwilling to simply GOOLGE are pissed about being poor and having America pass them by. Theyre losing to liberals, immigrants, hell my dog has a higher quality life than the majority of them. Theyre pissed at the winners, when they should be pissed at their parents. When jobs left or oppurtunites changed their parents stayed instead of taking a risk. Say what you ignorant people want about immigrants, but they all left for uncertain pastures for a better chance for their kids. And they should be pissed and scared, because it;s too late for them and they know it, deep deep in their hearts. There anger isnt anger, its fear. They wont get a 10th inning. But it gets worse, teh longer they stay in their pool of ignorance and blame the furtner their family tree poisons. Their high school sports playing kid is gonna hurt him self and get some oxy for the injury and then hes going to compare the high to how miserable his life is in whatever southern Kentucky town he lives and then the opiate addiction starts.
Anyway, Fauci at least got this loser administration to run a lockdown, to slow down the spread. For that hes an American hero.
Vizionaire
amen!
AHH-Rox
Wow, the amount of misinformation and stupidity in this comments section is downright Breitbartian.
Best Screenname Ever
I can assure you that those of in Canada and Europe watching the spread of cretinism through the US think that everyday. Never in the history of mankind has a country hit so far below its weight class. Europe, the UK and Canada have stupid people too, but they don’t have a ‘news’ network dedicated to making the stupid stupider and more hateful, and a political party with the same objective.
ScottCFA
Europe has been hit far worse than the U.S. with double the mortality rate. Their numbers look smaller individually until you realize that the entire EU is only slightly more populous than the U.S.
Halo11Fan
I don’t read breightbart, but if they get more wrong than CNN and MSNBC I’d be shocked.
DTD_ATL
Wake me up when he gets something right.
whynot 2
Just cancel the season
Best Screenname Ever
MLBTR would make the site a lot more interesting if it would jettison the player-side BS.. ‘The players haven’t insisted on playoffs in November’?? Complete Horse S. That’s exactly what they proposed with their 100+ game schedule. Then they criticized MLB for not wanting to play in November when other leagues are.
Instead of trying to please player agents by repeating false information, how about the facts Jeff?
Vizionaire
yeah, hitler junior!
1738hotlinebling
What so he can help rig the election by telling everyone to stay home again. Hmmm? I know this isn’t a place for politics but Fauci will most likely be in Gitmo before October
phamdownbytheriver
When I hear….”Dr Fauci says”….my brain shifts into neutral. What he says is rarely his opinion, he’s just a mouthpiece for others who’ve been wrong over and over.
Kevin28786
I wanna be a government expert. They’re always wrong, and yet it doesn’t matter. Fauci probably wouldn’t know a baseball from a tennis ball to begin with.
beyou02215
So, to be fair, I guess he’s recommending against NFL and NCAA football too then?
Robertowannabe
Have not heard that one yet…….
scuba17
So first it’s stay inside to prevent getting it, now it’s if you stay inside you’re likelier to get it. Good Lord.
Setzer
This guy is an idiot and if people are going to take anything he has to say seriously then they’re even bigger idiots than he is.
Robertowannabe
So, football with constant player contact on the field is ok without fans but baseball with limited player contact should not be played in October? The common sense is missing again……..
66TheNumberOfTheBest
I like that “2 million IF we do NOT social distance” (who listens to the end of a full sentence, really) has become “anything less than 2 million dead Americans and the whole thing is a hoax…and I want to personally count the bodies!!!”
This is the one thing the owners have been right about in this, no reason to play past early November.
The point of any pro sports season is to crown a winner. Prioritizing the playoffs only makes sense.
cecildawg
forwhomkjssdjaj? Change.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Not sure what to make of this reply, except to assume that a panhandler had a stroke.
anthonyd4412
Given his track record it looks like the can play through December
njbirdsfan
How do some of you people have jobs? Seriously, the only things you know how to do are call people idiots and deflect.
It can’t be your butt buddy’s fault for sitting on his hands for months so it has to be the CDC or the media…how convenient that you always have a scapegoat handy
Tiny
Or maybe you are the only one still asleep ??
DarkSide830
these comment sections really do bring out the most absurd people
Rayland#1
By all means, let’s have this dumb fudger chime in.
James Midway
If it’s up to him we would all be in our houses for the next 70 years
njbirdsfan
Any time you worthless red staters feel like ever making a contribution to society feel free.
But keep on shilling for billionaires, I’m sure one of these days they’ll share some of that money with you…tards.
AtlSoxFan
Because NJ grows so much of the nation’s food supply.
Theghostoftycobb
First off, fouci has literally gotten every prediction wrong.
Secondly, he’s not even a real doctor..
masam99
Actually, Dr. Fauci is a medical doctor.
digimike
Dang… there sure is a lot of curious political spamming going on here tonight.
Tiny
4 theories-
Fauci/media theory of everyone wearing masks and separate and create a super vaccine in record time
Heard immunity theory where we all need to stay in contact w others to keep our immune systems up
Treating the illness wrong theory. Use the hydro…and no respirators.
Viruses aren’t contagious theory- many scientists believe if you make a claim a virus spreads from one person to another than its your job to prove that’s how they spread. They also claim no scientist has ever prove that.
Whatever u believe falls into one of the 4 categories. but more importantly, whatever you believe is a theory. That means you’re not right. And neither is Fauci or the media or anyone else. There is no right; just theories.
So why change any aspect of life unless there’s an alternative agenda ??
whynot 2
Is Tiny as reference to your brain or intellect?
♪
We get it, #45 cult members. The moment Fauci contradicted #45, you viewed him as opposition and a hindrance to your goals. So your solution is lie, lie, lie.
I will side with the person who has been retained by what, the last eight presidents, over a sociopath who has trouble forming an actual and coherent sentence.
SARS-CoV-2 is so new, and its effects still unknown, not being so cautious would have been extremely foolish. We’ve learned and evolved some since 1918.
Tork
Fauci is a f***ing fraud. Dig into to that pos human being and see where his money has been going. Him and Bill Gates are in this together. Stop being sheeps. PLAY BALL!!
whynot 2
Q is that you?
Tork
I know 5 ppl that have tested positive and the worst case was a 99.8 temp. All 5 had a tiny sore throat. Just had to text fi their job. This is a demonrat driven fraud!
♪
Another lunatic whose biases have obscured the truth.
Setzer
The only truth being obscured here is by stupid liberals.
Rob66
Has the doctor told us how long before the virus goes away or dies off??? The only good part of what has gone on is that it bought us time to learn how to deal with the virus.
Lawson
So, has he told the same thing to football?
Vizionaire
reading the article thoroughly again and reading the posts, it is crystal clear these dummies did not read the article and started attaking dr. fauchi. as if they are following the directive from a dictator wannabe!
retire21
I got my degree from Deep State University, TrUmP School of Medicine. I have a big brain and it was still the hardest week of my life.
Far Beyond Driven
Fauci is an expert on being Bill Gates little minion. He should do the world a favor and just retire.
masam99
This board is more contentious than the divide between players and owners.
DarkSide830
lets pile on the guy for being wrong, but has everyone else been right or something? its easy to point out flawed logic in hindsight. the WHO has flipped more than he has on this.
metsfan68
When election day comes around and you reelect all theses liberal Democrats, dont expect anything to change,specially if trumps reelected..then you finally have a reason to watch espn 4 to see “great moments in dominos”, “world series of scrabble” and countless episodes of “this day in wiffle ball”
bobsugar84
So much ignorance on this thread. 840 American deaths a day, including some young healthy people and somehow it’s political. Arizona, Florida, and Texas just reported the most cases they’ve had to date. There’s nothing you can say to change these people’s minds, maybe give them a tour of the icu and hear people’s stories, but I doubt even that would last or get through to them. Maybe show them healthy 30 year olds all hooked up to machines while they gasp for air or maybe show them the guy on Facebook who made fun of it all and called it a left wing hoax and then caught it two weeks later and died? His family erased his account after that and reminded everyone to be safe. I doubt any of it would make a difference sadly. Good luck out there people, were gonna need it.
metsfan68
If im correct, 81 percent of the deaths are from senior centers and nursing homes… the disease is real, the reactions to it are farcical..
BlueSkies_LA
You are not correct, but don’t let that stop you. Lies are the order of the day for the deniers.
metsfan68
Then how many are from where i said??
metsfan68
then how many dead from the places i mentioned? Cuomo alone is responsible for over 7000 deaths on his own from those homes..or are you just going to guess without facts? I got my 81 percent ftom the news
BlueSkies_LA
You didn’t get that number from “the news” because it is easy to find that the actual number is around 40% nationwide. Those old folks need to just stop going out and partying.
metsfan68
oh so you were in my house watching what i was watching? please tell me where you got your “facts “from
whynot 2
You are wrong, 81% of deaths have not come from senior/nursing homes.
Just looking at the CDC data… 70% of deaths have come from those 65 and over. Just that disproves your assertion. I don’t know which website or YouTube channel you get your news from.
Those in the 70% figure were not all residents of a nursing home so that actual number is even lower.
Now take your trolling elsewhere
mehbah
So much ignorance on this thread. Death rate for the US is .0003%, Nothing being done is to keep you from getting the virus, only slow the spread so the hospitals are not overwhelmed, which they are not. Idiots liberals in this thread (whynot) keep spouting how many people have the virus, like it means anything. Who cares as you will be getting it in the future, these people are just getting it over with. NOTHING RIGHT NOW SHOULD BE SHUT DOWN and the only people that should be staying home are those that are compromised. If this was the case, life would go on, while those compromised would be protected. There are worse things in life than death, being a liberal with the intelligence of a highly educated turnip would fall much higher on the list. The irrational fear is absolutely mind numbing. And yes, if the season opened today with full stadium capacity, I would happily be in the middle of the fans enjoying the game.
masam99
This is not a liberal or conservative issue. It is about science and math. Both of which are incorrectly stated in your post. That is why there are not massive stadiums with fans, except in Belarus (which is a totalitarian nation).
mehbah
Not at all but that’s the problem, you idiots believe in your god, the almighty liberal agenda.. Hospitals are not overwhelmed but you idiots don’t even have a clue why they said a shutdown should happen in the first place. .0003% of the US has died from covid (if you believe the numbers which include people that have died from car accidents that happen to have covid). Just keep bowing down to that god of yours, it really is funny to watch.
BlueSkies_LA
Utterly bogus garbage from someone who doesn’t seem to even understand basic arithmetic. Shame on MLBTR for not removing the many many posts full of lies from this thread and allowing this site to become a vector for disinformation.
mehbah
100,000 / 330,000,000 = .0003% sorry but the math is simple, it doesn’t fit your religions agenda but this IS the math… maybe you should pull your head out of your butt once in a while so you can breathe…
BlueSkies_LA
Your fictional “death rate” makes the idiotic assumption that nobody who hasn’t had the virus will ever get the virus, even though only 1-2% have so far. It makes the idiotic assumption that the virus is not actually contagious and none of the other 98-99% of the population who hasn’t already had it will get it, even if we do absolutely nothing to prevent the spread. I’d like to think that nobody could possibly be that stupid, but then you go and disprove it. With bells on.
whynot 2
You are correct math is simple, but yours is just wrong. As you lay it out you are assuming everyone in the country has been infected already and only 100,000 have died. That is completely false.
To determine the actual death rate you need to look at the number of deaths against the number of actual infections. I’m just wasting my time trying to explain this as you are too stupid to understand or too stupid to look beyond your personal agenda.
saintguitar
Before you get a knee-jerk reaction based on your personal or political beliefs, just read what Dr.Fauci said.
He said that because of the flu (influenza) and possible second wave of the COVID-19, he would avoid the LATE-October baseball because of the heightened risk of either cathing it or adding to the existing virus. He never said to cancel baseball entirely.
Just think about this: if there is one in a million chance that this virus is real and it can kill your loved ones, would you risk it? I look at my family and friends and I personally would not risk their lives because of what I believe.
metsfan68
Why do you keep deleting my comments? Because I said Democrats? Ppl here cursing each other, you keep, me automatic deletion
caryloyd
Fauci is an idiot. He has backpedalled consistently and been inaccurate in most if not all his predictions. His opinion is for sale.