Braves GM Alex Anthopoulos is still picking up the pieces after a stunning series of early-season pitching woes culminated in last night’s loss of Mike Soroka. Today, he discussed the possibility of swinging a trade with reporters including Gabe Burns of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution (Twitter links).
The Atlanta organization is now going without four of the five anticipated members of the starting staff that Anthopoulos constructed last winter. Soroka follows Cole Hamels in suffering an injury, though it’s still possible the veteran Hamels will return later in the year. Mike Foltynewicz was outrighted after showing much-reduced stuff, while Felix Hernandez opted out of the season due to COVID-19 concerns.
That volume of significant losses obviously puts the Braves in position to pursue new arms, and Anthopoulos acknowledged that he’s been exploring the marketplace since Summer Camp reopened. However, getting a deal done under the present circumstances represents a major challenge. “It’s very hard to say” whether the team can get something done, says the veteran executive.
“Today, the likelihood is we’ll stay internal,” Anthopoulos explained, “but we’ll continue to inquire and see if we can line up on a deal.”
Despite the unusual nature of the season, and despite these heavy pitching losses, Anthopoulos says the Atlanta organization is willing and ready to value a shot at winning a title this year. It seems the club will be heavily involved in whatever trade talks can be had, though it’s hardly clear how much appetite the team has for taking on additional salary.
As for Soroka, there’s still no timetable, but he’ll obviously miss the remainder of the current season. The lack of specificity is certainly understandable, due both to the serious nature of the injury and the many potential nuances in his recovery. Anthopoulos did say that he’ll undergo surgery this week.
Bring on Bartolo Colón, he’s old, he’s fat, he’s ready to pitch!
Let the youngsters pitch. No trades.
Lol your baseball IQ is off the charts
Cueto for anyone in ATL system please
Not a bad idea.
Giants could package Cueto, Samardjza, and Gausman if need be.
This better be sarcasm
Wyoming, no thank you on the trifecta. I think one of Ceuto or Shark would be worth a gamble, but not both together.
Zero interest in seeing Gausman in a Braves uni again. The home alone spoof he did was great, but that was the highlight of his Atlanta tenure.
That’s a freaking joke maybe cueto if they giants eat salary the giants can get a prospect that’s ranked between 35-45, but the giants aren’t getting anything of that much value. What in the world are you thinking the braves want him, shark, and oh yeah let’s throw in Gausman who the braves let go in the middle of 2019. What a joke you don’t know baseball stick to playing mlb the show
They would probably send them to Atl for Melancon and Will Smith
As a Braves fan, I wouldn’t be against trading for Cueto, but… I wouldn’t give up anything more than a marginal prospect. That contract is salty for what he is.
Not a bad idea, if the Giants eat about half the remainder on his salary. Maybe one of our prospects in that 20-30 range.
Taijuan Walker would be an intriguing guy to acquire if/when Mariners fall further out of contention.
He stays healthy he could be an interesting trade chip for the Mariners.
If I’m the Mariners I’d see if the Braves would trade Patrick Weigel for Walker or at worst 2 of Phillip Pfeifer, Jeremy Walker, or Thomas Burrows..
Walker has been consistently hurt and hasn’t proven anything and you think the braves would give up there 16th best prospect for a guy coming off TJ who hasn’t really been all that effective, all he has to his name is a former top prospect. The braves would give up a fringe prospect at best. You have to realize the braves have a loaded farm system with so much pitching depth if anything AA will look for a veteran rental piece
“A loaded farm system with so much pitching depth” has literally spent a half decade acquiring pitchers by hook-or-by-crook has produced 2.5 dependable starters (Soroka, Fried, and Folty*). In fact, most of the Braves’ elite pitching prospects haven’t “been all that effective.”
If there was enough pitching depth, the Braves wouldn’t be scrambling trying to fill four of their five rotation spots. Soroka is down, Newcomb is best suited for the bullpen, and Touki/Wright are too inexperienced to be depended on in a rotation that’s supposed to be capable of winning a World Series. Soroka was probably the one player the Braves couldn’t afford to lose this year and now they may have lost him for most of 2021 as well. It’s devastating.
The Braves depth of upper-minor high-pedigree pitching prospects with options in a season with expanded rosters, and now a 5-man taxi squad, means the Braves are better suited than any team outside of maybe the Dodgers to withstand rotation losses. The Braves can literally pitch 2 guys 3 innings each every day. They also invested heavily in the bullpen in order to allow them to graduate more of these prospects. The sky isn’t falling. They just have to get creative about deploying their many assets. I really hope they don’t make a panic trade. Let’s see the kids pitch. Perfect season to ease them in.
Lol, elite prospects..Just like Gohara, Allard, Touki, Wright, J.Teharan, J.Wentz?? How many more..?? High pedigree pitching prospects..lol. Like Sean Newcomb..And ask Folty, Your High pedigree pitching prospects just cleared waivers..lol.
If I’m talking to Sea, then I would start by asking for Marco Gonzales and that would cost some. He would be a guy that I would spend some pieces on, like Wright and Wilson maybe.
Steven Matz is available, I’ll take Culberson and bullpen help in return
That is a low sell on Matz
Won’t happen cause division rivals; both wanting to compete, and Mets don’t have syndergaard or stroman right now.. But Matz is overrated. And depending on what “bullpen help” means, it can be a fair trade.
No way. Matz is definitely worth more than that and not to mention, the Mets are attempting to compete so they can’t afford to lose him. Pitching is definitely their strength but they can’t afford to trade from that anymore.
Nowadays inter division trading doesn’t happen as often as it use to and you have to overpay to get them. Nowadays most gms love their prospects like they are 100 pound gold bars for some reason. I get the value of prospects and I don’t think AA should just get all trade happy and get rid of all of them, but when you stock pile a farm system full of talent that is top tier like the braves, you use some of those prospects to fill out the major league roster, some don’t pan out, and then you trade some to complete your roster. AA has a lot of prospects in the upper minors and there isn’t room for all of them on the Major League roster so he needs to trade some of those guys. Wish the Indians would fall further out of first place and they would give up Clev or Bieber as well as Hand. I would give up Ian Anderson, Kyle Wright, and 2 other prospects between 10-20 for Bieber and Hand. I know that won’t happen but still
Cleveland is NOT trading Shane Bieber just like Atlanta is not trading Acuna. A small market team like the Indians does not trade a controllable stud starting pitcher like Bieber. You can stop dreaming.
@hockeyjohn; Do take a moment and read WAH’s last sentence. Your post is pointless.
Yes, I read his entire post as I always do before commenting,, Salary Myth, yet he still threw out a trade offer and I responded to that proposal which I am allowed to do. That makes your response to my post pointless.
He threw out a trade idea that he admitted was never going to happen. Redundancy is a personal skill of yours?
Hey if we are doing this how about, if the Braves fall apart now and fall out of contention they could make a trade. How about Acuna and Camargo to the Padres. In return, I would give up Patino, Quantrill and 2 prospects between 10-20. Say Potts and Mateo. I know it won’t happen but still…
Good one, Javia!
Throw in deGrom
Lance Lynn!
1. He’s been terrific over the past season.
2. The Rangers could sell high on him.
3. He’s not a rental.
4. Atlanta has prospects that Texas would want.
Make it happen.
The Rangers are trying to win now. I doubt they want to trade their bargain deal ace.
Oh, there’s another reason to trade him, he’s cheap. Not trying to downplay what you said, but I’m not sure if the Rangers are in win-now mode right now. If Kluber didn’t go down, I’d say yeah we might’ve been (though he is not the end all be all of our playoff hopes). But just with how incrediblly good Lynn has been, I see Texas trading him to a pitching hungry team like Atlanta, though personally I think he’d fit better in Houston, right behind Greinke.
With Kluber out and their bullpen looking terrible, on top of not really hitting like they should I just don’t see them being competitive. I def think it would be in their best interest to at least throw out feelers for their pitching and maybe even some of their hitting. They never really went into full rebuild mode after their playoff window ended a few years back, might be time to bite the bullet and try to get some near ML ready specs back in trades
The issue is the timing. The Rangers long-term interest may be to trade Lynn for prospects, but you can’t make that trade this early in a 60-game season that includes expanded playoffs. That’s sending a losing message to your team and fan base. In a month, if they’re out of contention then it’s easier to justify. As a team, you just can’t trade your best pitcher this early and still expect people to buy-in long term.
The Braves will not want to buy “high” on Lynn. You probably value Lynn higher then the Braves or any other organization for that matter.
The market will be very thin for top pitching. And while Lynn isn’t the sexiest name you can’t argue his production. He eats innings and gets guys out which is exactly what the Braves will need if they don’t want to fall behind in their division. And yes if the Rangers make him available SOMEONE will overpay to get him no doubt. I think you are underestimating just how thin this market will be at the trade deadline
You are right @slugger82865 but Lynn isn’t worth any of the braves top 10 prospects. He isn’t elite, he isn’t the cheapest, and I don’t think AA wants anything more than a rental. The market is thin and I would hate for AA to give up someone like Kyle Mueller and Bryce Wilson for him
AA is going to want a rental we have too much depth to go after a guy that isn’t elite. Lynn is having a good season and was good last year but not going to throw away any top prospects for him
Trade Folty to SD for Luchessi. Preller would likely give him up for next to nothing
ATL would probably need to add more value to that deal, won’t happen straight up
I was also going to suggest Luchessi, although they definitely would say no to that proposal with Quantrill in line to take the starting spot, Patiño getting called up, and Gore likely close behind. No need for Folty especially after slipping through waivers.
Yeah Luchessi (or even Quantrill to be honest) makes sense as a trade target because he’s a cheap and controllable starter and the Padres can easily replace him, however they’re going to want way more than Folty. You’re right, If SD wanted Folty, they could have just claimed him off waivers a week ago.
I don’t think acquiring pitching is SD’s priority, their bullpen and starting options are super deep. If anything they need someone who can DH otherwise they would probably just want more prospects.
I suggested Folty as someone to trade after last year – sell high (then)– gets some bats for the minors. Keep the quality youngsters and do not spit out your seed corn.
Love the BP arms AA has compiled but did not care to give future starter of Wentz’s caliber for year and couple month rental. In years ahead that deal, imo, will not look good. Glad to see Chris Martin resign but wonder if Green will go for closer’s role elsewhere after this year. Iirc, Allard is a lefty. I am old enough to remember when you’d expect a lefty to have troubles, early in career – control etc…. Allard may bite us too, but Wentz? TJ or not that one was tough to see go…
More importantly imo…interested in others opinions or thoughts…
Does anyone know which Braves’ coach is the point person for recognizing if a pitcher is tipping their pitches?
Anyone else think that could well be Newk’s problem? It may explain some of why he blows up after a few innings and is good out of the pen.
Seems his arm speed with the off speed stuff may be a problem.
Newk has more facial tics than any pitcher I’ve ever seen. The camera does not stay on his face enough for one to tell for sure, but once in while they give a glimpse of his face just as he is ready to release the ball and his face contorts a great deal. His last start one time his face scrunched up and his mouth contorts a great deal.
Anyone know if the Braves slow-mo all their pitchers and watch for tells? Who’s the best on the staff are spotting tells?
Trade folty for a foot long from subway toasted
Don’t be ridiculous… toasted? no subway would make that trade
I’m a Nat’s fan and seeing the Soroka injury was just so bothersome. I wish him a full recovery.
calling it a trade with the Padres is coming
Agreed. Luchessi on his way out?
either him or Quantrill. I’d expect some prospects in return. We know Preller loves his prospects
Does Atlanta have a DH option they could ship to SD? That could be intriguing, otherwise yeah prospects..
Padres aren’t trading a pitcher for a DH.
Hosmer will DH when he’s back with Cronenworth staying in the lineup. He’s been playing well and offers better defense I think.
In the event they do need a DH Corey Dickerson would be a prime candidate. Cheap, controllable next year, and offers plenty offensively.
I wasn’t talking one for one, but a DH candidate could be a good get, especially if Hosmer stays out longer or isn’t able to continue his early success. I do like his new batting approach and stance though!
Dream on Padres how about Paddock for Kyle Wright? That’s about the only guy worth trading for besides Gore
*Padres fans
This is a joke right?
Chris Paddack: 157.2-IP 168-K 0.98-WHIP 3.25-ERA
Kyle Wright: 31.2-IP 31-K 1.99-WHIP 7.67-ERA
Hmmmm…sounds about right. You think Padre’s fans are dreaming but guess what? You are the one who is asleep. I didn’t see any Padre fans suggest a return from the Braves. So what is the problem WAH1447?
And I thought that the only homer this stupid and delusional had the last name of Simpson.
@Javia. I have to agree. I came late to this article but I cringed a little when trading Paddock for Wright was suggested. For Paddock you would have to offer someone like Fried which they would say no too or Soroka which we would say no too. But that is the kind of circle Paddock is in.
Derek Holland has done pretty well so far. I know it’s not the prettiest of answers but if the Pirates could really anything noteworthy it would be a pretty solid deal.
Alex Cobb for
Prospects
The Orioles would have to pay at least 75% of Cobb’s remaining salary for a deal to happen.
Theo——you would know better—-but if the reports are true that Quintana is close to being ready——there’s a good portion of the salary relief needed to get close to the cap. Any mid level prospect would do.
What would the braves offer for Dakota Hudson?
Hudson isn’t even arbitration eligible yet and listed as the Cardinals #2 starter. So jebisnt likely available. If he is it would cost A LOT.
I think he is more available than most people would normally consider. And like you said, there is value beyond this year.
I would be extremely careful making trades during this pandemic. It is literally a coin toss as to whether or not this season is even completed. The Dodgers fully intended to sign Betts to a extension when they made the trade with Boston even without knowledge of the Virus. How can a team in good faith make a trade that would be considered “worthy” under these circumstances?
I think that applies for rentals. Really in that situation you’re talking about acquiring a guy at the trade deadline for like a month’s worth of games, I just don’t see teams willing to pay much for that especially given the risks.
That being said, if you’re acquiring a player who has multiple years of control, I don’t think that its going to be a huge barrier. Sure they only get him for a month this year, but if he has a couple more times through arbitration, at the end of the day you’re still going to have the player’s rights in the future so its easily justifiable.
How much of Cueto’s contract would the Giant’s be willing to eat?
What would it take to get Luchessi from SD? Is a career era over 4 worth it? His fip is over 4 the last 2 seasons as well. So it surely should cost too much.
I think Wilson, Davidson, and Weigel should get a shot to atleast see what they can do.
The Braves could conceivably get any one of Lucchesi, Quantrill or Davies for the right price. The problem for the Braves is that no starting pitcher is going to be cheap. Lucchesi’s career ERA is 4.21. League average ERA in 2019 was 4.51. He won’t be gotten for spare parts.
Besides which if the Braves are the ones in need and initiating the trade then they hold the weak position. Nobody HAS to trade the Braves a pitcher. Teams will only do it if it is worth their while.
Also to all of the people offering pitchers to trade to the Braves: if you are freely offering these guys up then Atlanta knows how little you value them. It’s like all the Yankee’s fans who are trying to trade some combination of Frazier, Andujar and Garcia for a star. It’s not going to happen. If you are freely offering guys around town, they cannot have huge value and teams know it.
I get the concept of what you are saying about freely offering up guys and that indicating that those players have less value, but thats totally dependent on the circumstances and if a team is dealing from depth.
You mention the Padres, and they are the perfect example because they have so much depth at SP. If they’re dealing their backend #4 or #5 pitcher like Luchessi/Quantrill, they can immediately replace that player with the other one (i.e. if they trade Luchessi, now Quantrill starts) and they also have Gore, Patino, Baez, and Morejon, who are either top 100 prospects on the cusp of the majors or who were very recently top prospects with MLB experience.
Like you said, they’re not going to be able to get a guy like Luchessi for spare parts, but also SD could still move him because they can easily replace him.
I think what Javia is saying is You never start negotiations with your best offer. If you’re willing to trade a top prospect, you make them earn it. For example, AA would never float Anderson’s name in a trade, even if he was willing to move him. You lose leverage every time you make an offer or ask for a player because you’re obviously telling the other side what you really want.
The Braves are desperate for pitching and everyone knows it. If they go around panicking for pitchers, teams would take advantage of that. That’s why you see the postering about how they’ll “go with internal guys” and the “trade market is thin” blurbs. It doesn’t change that the Braves need pitchers, but emotional and desperate are not conducive to good decision making.
SP’s still on their 1st contracts. Controllable for a number of years. They havnt even hit arbitration yet..Teams don’t usually trade those SP’s.
Pirates trade Joe Musgrove and Colin Moran for W.Conteras and AJ Minter. Musgrove is under contract and not just a rental. Moran lefty platoon with A.Riley and DH platoon w/ Matt Adams. Pirates get a needed catcher and needed Lefty RP.
With Minter pitching well so far this season that would be an overpay for the Braves. I do like the idea of possibly trading for Musgrove but that would just be a steep price to pay for him.
Plus Moran and Adam’s are both lefties so that wouldn’t be a good platoon.
Platoon at 3B for Riley
@Pittsburghbob69
You said be the lh compliment to Riley (we have Camargo) and the DH platoon w/ Matt Adams… Moran is not a guy anywhere on the Braves radar.
Musgrave yes, but I doubt either Contreras or Langliers go to Pittsburgh for him. My guess is ATL holds tight to both of them until 1 of them clearly proves himself as a starter…even then they can both split time just like the Braves have done the last several years at catcher.
SP under contract isn’t cheap though. U have to give up some kind of prospect.
Or Shea Langeliers. Braves are loaded with Catching prospects, I just saw. That would help both teams. Musgrove and Moran both extremely cheap and under contracts.
Musgrove signed through 2023 for 2.8 per year(under 1st contract still with arbitration) and Moran under contract through 2024(still under 1st contract pre-arbitration @ 500k / year). Both still 1st contracts, extremely cheap..Neither rentals.
Not getting Shea for Musgrove. He’s a top 100 prospect. But I think we can deal a slightly used Alex Jackson and luke Jackson for Musgrove. We are not interested in the negative war Moran however. Maybe we could negotiate if you wanted Contreras. We might be slightly interested in Frazier. Make my day. Warm Regards,
_A.A braves GM
Keep telling everyone your prospects are so valuable; Just like Gohara, Allard, Touki, Wright, Riley and a lot of others with Braves fans. Musgrove is a controlling pitcher that eats innings and is a 4-5 starter on a any play-off team. He’s 27, under his 1st contract still, controllable until 2023, 1st round pick, top prospect pedigree, 6’5 240, eats innings. Good luck keeping 3 catching prospects and 2 of them will be busts.
I don’t think the Braves want Moran. I’d expect Moran will come back to earth and still play subpar defense. I just shuddered thinking of Chris Johnson. Musgrove would be decent but he’d be a stopgap for rising starters. Contreras has potential and Minter is doing well now (keyword now). I could see the teams lining up in other ways but not in that proposal.
Moran is a above average defender but ok. I think Riley/Moran platoon would be good. Does Riley hit Lefties? Moran only hits Right handed Pitching..lol.
Moran is definitely not an above average 3b, he is not good defensively at all. Riley doesn’t hit much of anything right now. I think the Braves will fill 3b in free agency since they don’t have many infield prospects of note. Langeliers and Contreras are basically our only catching prospects. Langeliers and Contreras are similar offensively but Langeliers plays much better defense. I could see the deal happening once the Braves are completely sold on Langeliers (I like Contreras but I am not convinced he will be a solid contributor).
I think the Braves and pirates will line up on a trade this offseason or next year, but I just cannot see it happening soon
Moran moves well for a big guy; strong arm too. It’s not juat his pedigree that keeps him around MLB. He’s good defensively, a big guy, moves well and when he hits, he hits(lol, I guess “when he hits, he hits” can be said about everyone and it’s probably what people say when hitters arnt consistent enough..lol. But he hits the ball hard, line drives and even singles are hard hit, nothing cheap for him).
Musgrove is a controllable pitcher that is a 4-5 starter on any play-off team. He’s 27, under his 1st contract still, controllable until 2023, 1st round pick, top prospect pedigree, 6’5 240, he’s a horse, eats innings. Braves fans hoped Gohara, Allard, Touki, Wright turned into a SP as good as Musgrove is.
Where do you get the idea Moran is a good fielder? 13 errors, -13 DRS, -8.8 UZR…Literally EVER defensive metric paints him as a poor defender if not worse.
He has a career -0.2 WAR so he is a replacement level player at best. So a bench bat not a starter.
Yep, was worse than I thought/remember him being. You are right. But batted .277 in 2018 and .277 in 2019( more consistent than I thought/remembered too). lol. But 2018, 188 assists, 10 Errors, .962 fielding %.. that’s not bad.. 2019, yes, 15 errors, 13 at 3B, 2 at 1B though. 2018 oWAR 1.9, 2019 oWAR 1.1. Both years negative dWAR. 2018 positive WAR.
You’re way overvaluing Colin Moran. He’s hit .277/.331/.419 hitter with a 99 wRC+ and .8 fWAR. He’s also a bottom 3 fielder in baseball since 2018. He ranks last in DRS (-32), second to last in UZR (-15.4), and 4th to last in range runs above average (-11.7) at thrid base. Overall you’re getting a roughly league average bat who can’t play defense. He isn’t going to get back much in trade right now.
mlb1225 is right. Colin Moran seems to be in a weird spot. He wouldn’t start on most teams but he does provide value. He is on borrowed time with Hayes in the wings. If he somehow makes his performance so far the norm, then I’d guess the Pirates would trade Bell and move him. For now I think they just roll with him while he’s cheap and see what he does or what they could get for him.
I often feel embarrassed by some Braves fans overvaluing prospects and coming up with insane trade scenarios. But prospects like Allard, Touki, and Wright have time to show what was seen in them as 1st rounders a few years ago. Giving up on them now would be foolish if the return isn’t worth it. Musgrove was a 2011 pick. I’m not saying he can’t get better but he appears to be a proven commodity.
I could see Bryce Elder,one of the Harris’ we have, and a filler or two for Musgrove, essentially two top 20 org prospects and change for Musgrove.
That’s an “insane trade scenario”. For a 27 year old, controllable until 2023 and cheap Proven SP, 6’5-240, eats innings and is a proven 4-5 starter on any play-off team. None of those prospects are proven. Ask Gohara, Allard, Touki, Wright. 3 out of your top 6 prospects won’t be as good as Musgrove has already proven to be. ATL fans are crazy with their prospects. Keep building up your “elite pitching farm system” for years and years and get 2 good SP out of it(Sorka and Fried). And ask Folty who just cleared waivers(lol, no one even claimed your “elite pitching prospects”). Ask Sean Newcomb, who should be a long inning RP. Who would be if you guys had C.Hamels, F.Hernadez, Sorka, and Fried. You guys Balk at Musgrove and say you want C.Paddock. Lol, when Aces like C.Sale bring back Y.Moncada(#1 prospect in baseball) plus more, J.Quintana, a controllable young, cheap SP, brings back Eloy Jimenez(#5 prospect in baseball) plus more, C.Archer, a controllable Ace(what was thought to be, actually Proven to be and Pitch 200 innings a year and 200 plus K’s a year) gets T.Glasnow(top #10, I think as high as #8 overall prospect in MLB baseball) plus more. You guys want Chris Paddock..good luck. Keep dreaming, A flier or two for Musgrove..again, good luck.
1 SP(maybe 2) out of Ian Anderson, Wright, Wilson, Muller will turn out as good as Musgrove. Keep your Gohara, Allard, Touki, Wright and how many other elite SP prospects you guys will refuse to trade to get to a WS. Keep J.Teheran(not as good as Musgrove), keep Alex Wood. How many more?? Lucas Sims, Joey Wentz?? Austin Riley and position players too?? Holy Fuck, Braves and their prospects and crazy things they think they should get in trades. I would love to go back in trade deadlines and read through some Braves sites comments..Lol. ATL must have Xanex in the water..lol. You guys are delusional. Think J.Musgrove & C.Moran for W.Contares and AJ Minter is some kind of crazy, obscene trade idea..lol. 2 good SP (1.5 now with Sorka out over a year). You got Max Fried and Sorka out of years and years of building up your elite farm system. ALT hasn’t won a WS since G.Maddox, Glavine and Smoltz. Lol. Havnt even made a WS since then. I mean atleast Pittsburgh has the Penguins and the Steelers. The Braves actually havnt won just like the Pirates though too. That’s kind of the point. Keep building up that farm system and dreaming of your trades guys. lol.
Lol..Quote..
“Musgrove is nothing if not consistent, as he has posted an ERA between 4.06 and 4.77 in each of his four seasons in the MLB, even tallying a 4.44 ERA with Pittsburgh in 2019. Rather than cycle through struggling youngsters like Kyle Wright, Atlanta could trade for Musgrove, a solid veteran with experience pitching in relief, which could come in handy if the Braves end up in the playoffs.
Musgrove would cost the Braves to give up a few B to B+ prospects in order to bring him down to Georgia, as Pittsburgh will likely covet promising left-handers like Tucker Davidson and Kyle Muller, but that’s not egregious for a player of Musgrove’s caliber. Atlanta would feel confident about their starting rotation if they pick up someone like Musgrove to solidify the back end”
Lol.
Name Age Tier
1. OF Cristian Pache21 1
2. OF Drew Waters 21 1
3. RHP Ian Anderson22 1
4. RHP Kyle Wright 24 1
5. LHP Kyle Muller 22 1
6. RHP Bryse Wilson 22 2
7. C Shea Langeliers 22 2
8. LHP Tucker Davidson 24 2
9. C William Contreras 22 2
10. SS Braden Shewmake22 3
Next 5: RHP Jasseel De La Cruz, OF Michael Harris, LHP Jared Shuster, RHP Patrick Weigel, RHP Victor Vodnik
Lol, what do u think Tier 2 means?? Maybe the same as “B”.
Who are you quoting? And of course Pittsburgh would want those guys but I doubt they would get them. Consistent? Yes. Consistently good? Not really. Also you rag on Braves fans but when I lived in Pittsburgh I seem to remember pirates fans fawning over their young pitchers like Zach Duke, Paul Maholm, Brad Lincoln, Tom Gorzelanny.
Joe Musgrove is not Sale or Quintana (at the time). Also I wasn’t being crazy about what I want in a trade because if I were GM I wouldn’t want Musgrove that badly right now. Why not take that Musgrove proposal from your quote and just add another high end prospect or two and get better than a 4-5th starter?
I make one hypothetical proposal as a perceived value counterpoint to your trade and it’s Braves fans are delusional.
I’ll try to make a sweeping statement about a fan base now. Yinzers always bring up the Steelers and Pens because many of them know little about the Pirates but still want to talk sports. They listen to terrible local sports radio to get their opinions on the Pirates then when they run out of talking points to parrot they panic and go into other sports.
Also Xanax is for depression not to give you delusions. So, maybe Pirates fans need some when Steelers and Pens games aren’t on
I’m quoting an article from Bleacher report. U don’t think taking a lot of Xanex makes u delusional?
And of course we bring up the Steelers and the Pens. Cause we can. That’s the point. YOU CANT BRING UP ANY TEAM!!
I don’t believe Musgrove is even close to Sale or Quintana or Chris Archer. Or worth a top prospect. I’m just giving you examples of what non rental, controllable SP brings back. Like remember when ATL traded Shelby Miller. Got back D.Swanson(a #1 overall pick). I said W.Contrares and AJ Minter for J.Musgrove and Colin Moran. And was called crazy and way too much. Meanwhile previous comments are saying to trade for C.Paddock..lol. a “B to B+” prospect is exactly what I said in W.Contrases. And exactly what someone like Musgrove, young(27 years old), cheap, proven, controllable SP is worth. And so does an article from Bleacher report and anyone else u listen to besides Braves fans. Who think their prospects are worth Gold and gonna be superstars. And everyone else’s proven players are worthless. Like I said keep loving your “elite farm system” and your Matt Wislers, Gohara’s Touki’s Allard’s and keep getting knock out in the play-offs.
Ohh and we traded Zach Duke amd Paul Malholm. And no one fanned over Brad Lincoln or Tom Gorzalonny. I would’ve hoped we would have traded them for a play-off push or a chance at a WS. We made trades and traded prospects the two years we made the Wild Card with McClutchen, N.Walker, J.Harrison, G.Cole, AJ Burnett teams. Both years we traded prospects. One year I remember us making acouple big trades and not even making the play-offs. But we are happy when we go for it. And trust we can reload the farm system. And we don’t believe every prospect is gold like Braves fans. We know you have to give up something(Potential) to get something(proven player) in return.
JA Happ is available for a bag of used baseballs.
Whatever happens this season, it should make a point to AA to explore a quality pitcher or two for next season and beyond.
Definitely. Maybe the Acuna is over rated guy will see this in realise that he doesn’t have to be a dick to show disagreement
They’re just bitter over ATL not getting MadBum, when they should be really mad at MadBum’s inadequacies on a dirtbike.
We could also point out to him that madbum has a close to 6 era so maybe he is overrated. And fried has a era of 2.04 since he has said he sucks for the last couple years
AcunaSTILLOVERRATED, aka NOBUMGARNEREQUALSNONLCS, aka whycanthechoose-a-shotername will not be moved by stats. I and others spent plenty of time talking to him about MadBums peripherals and it meant nothing to him. This guy thinks the Braves suck if they don’t win the world series. This guy thinks Acuna sucks despite having back to back stellar years.
There is no convincing him with production. Even consistent production doesn’t phase him. He is our version of that rediculous fan from the movie Major Leagues.
OMG! I am totally going to be picturing Randy Quaid now every time I see his name!
You forgot his 200pluskpsuedostar moniker also, lol. There was another b4 that but I can’t remember that one at the moment. He does have a man crush on Acuna.
It’s not worth it to import someone big. The extra round in the playoffs just makes it that much harder to win a title and we’re talking about a team that’s going on 18 years without getting out of the first round.
I wonder if AA would deal with his old buddies in Toronto for one of their young starters? Pearson is likely off the table, but Borucki / Thornton / Kay / Zeuch / Waguespack / Pannone / Reid-Foley all have mlb innings. Or would a Chase Anderson (if healthy) or Matt Shoemaker or Tanner Roark be of interest?
In exchange, wonder if the Jays would be interested in a package including one of Atlanta’s young relief arms – like Touki?
Tanner Roark seems like a Braves target. Wouldn’t require much, experience in NL East, innings-eater – heck, even his name sounds southern (Roark is Sandra Bullock’s name in the underrated John Grisham’s A TIME TO KILL). I can’t imagine them giving up Touki for him though.
If their season relies on Roark, good luck. He’s a 2 or 3 at best. Career 4.01 FIP. Braves can get to the postseason without an ace, but just like the past two years, they’ll come up empty when needed if they’re just above average.
I don’t see AA and the Blue Jays doing business with each other. I can’t remember where I read or heard it (so take it with a grain of salt), but if I recall, that relationship is shot. It would make sense considering they hired his replacements during the same season he put the finishing touches on back-to-back ALCS teams and won Executive-of-the-Year.
Actually, as I typed this I think that came out when Marcus Stroman was on the block last July. Either the Blue Jays or AA weren’t really negotiating in good faith because of bitterness stemming from his exit. Can’t see them lining up on a deal.
Bryse Wilson perhaps? I would like to see him given a shot. Not making deals is the smart option right now. I could see them making a small deal closer to the deadline or hope pitchers like Cobb or Duffy fall off a bit and they can agree to take more salary off the other teams hands to protect some higher end assets
I’m still on the wilson train. Look, I hate to say it but the way the starting rotation was looking, I thought playoffs were gonna be tough out possible. Without soroka, I’m less than 50% confident that we will make it. I have no problem throwing the “elite” talent we have stocked up over the years. Pitch them over and over until it clicks or the fall apart. This is the year to do it. Fried, Touki, Newcomb, Wright, Wilson. Bring in Anderson for all I care
I wouldn’t mind seeing Davidson or Weigel get a shot either.
All he’s going to find this season is band aids. Honestly, the pitching wasn’t great outside of Soroka to begin with. Felix is past his prime and Hamels is getting up there in age. Braves need to rethink their rotation for the future if they want to compete.
Fried is pretty good, Touki, Anderson, Wright, Wilson, all could be good. Long term they should actually be okay once Soroka is back, its just in the short term they don’t have much to get by with.
CNichols is right. Dont forget the potential in Matt Wisler and Aaron Blair. Don’t forget about Sean Newcomb either. Can’t wait to see what all three can do.
The pitching is looking great in Atlanta.
So is madbum and his close to 6 era. Can you say overrated? Wisler was traded a few years ago so please post facts when trying to be sarcastic or your posts will be overrated.
Have seen his good fried has been? Of course not since you have said he sucks for a few years now.
Atlanta would be a nice fit for Cueto, he’s been pitching well for us but our defense is terrible and its not doing him any favors.
What would it take in return? How much of the salary would the Giants be willing to take on?
Stand pat. Keep your powder dry for next year and let these young pitchers show us what they can do now.
This “season” is meaningless
How about ponce de leon for vodnik and michael Harris. I like ponce but cards arent going to give him a fair shake, plus the cards season is looking like a crap shoot, even though its early. Or maybe carlos Martinez for just Harris or vodnik
“Anthopoulos says the Atlanta organization is willing and ready to value a shot at winning a title this year.”
Nice joke. Even if healthy, you did nothing this offseason to win a title. Unless of course he means a useless division title.
Hey there. Looks like Acuna is starting to rebound. Damn inconsiderate of him too. Doesn’t he know how rediculous you will look with that name if he starts putting up strong production like he did last year and the year before that? =D
So what’s gonna be your next name? Bumgarner is a bust, Acuña is starting to rake… maybe go back to allofthegodshaveabandonedus
I want to see if the Braves call the Tigers about Boyd. I know they are at .500 right now, but who knows. His name has been mentioned many times as a trade chip for that team. I’m looking at low contention teams with trade chips like Joe Musgrove, Robbie Ray, and John Means to be mentioned.
I doubt we give up much for anyone considered to be a rental. Rentals are even less valuable this year given the amount of games they will appear in
I hope Boyd stays in Detroit. He is awful!
We’ll give you Eovaldi for free.
We’ll give you Eovaldi for free.
Unfortunately his contract is anything but free. Boston would also have to throw in a decent prospect for that to happen. Lol
Trade for Robbie Ray. He’s a FA this offseason and D’Backs are atrocious, so shouldn’t cost much and they’ll want to get something for him rather than nothing. Any deal needs to be contingent on an extension. Has ace upside without the accompanying trade or $ price tag.
I would go after Danny Duffy from KC. I truly believe that a change of scenery would find him success again. The only thing is who ever goes after him would probably have to take Ian Kennedy as well not that bad of a option but a bit expensive.
That’s also my thinking with Ray, a change of scenery is what he needs.
Trade Folty for Kimbrel + cash.
Folty cleared waivers..he wasn’t even claimed by any team, a Last place rebuilding team or a competing play-off team. You want a closer w/ A WS ring for him..lol..+cash in a season where all the owners are claiming broke. I hate to tell everyone, but no trades are happening with teams taking on Money this year. No ticket revenue for play-off games. The owners don’t want to pay minor leaguers right now.
Now go look at Kimbrel’s stats since he’s been a Cub from 2019.
No thanks, Good luck; it’s not happening though
Why make a trade in the middle of a “season” that’s a few positive tests from being cancelled. Makes no sense.
Even if the player is under control for longer than this season, there’s no reason to trade now. Make that trade in the off season.
Use the remaining of this year to give our young pitchers some experience and see what they have.
Mainly Touki and Wilson.
If it doesn’t get cancelled, do you really think what we have now is a legit postseason threat? Maybe we don’t even make it to the postseason at all. Also, everyone knows the season could get cancelled, so players that are FA in the offseason should be that much cheaper, because of the risk involved. That’s why I said any trade should be contingent upon an extension.
What about Cubs starters? Looking great. But, their relief is disastrous. Braves have abundance of relief. Cubs starter for a couple of relievers and a so so MILB starter.