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MLB, MLBPA Discussing Reinstating Extra Innings Ghost Runner Rule

By Tim Dierkes | March 17, 2022 at 9:30pm CDT

MARCH 17: The extra inning ghost runner is “trending back toward reality for the 2022 season” reports MLB Network’s Jon Heyman (via Twitter). Heyman adds that MLB has yet to make a call on reinstating the rule, but is listening to team managers who want to “avoid testing arms”, and thus would be in favor of the rule’s reinstatement, after a truncated spring camp.

MARCH 14: The extra innings ghost runner might be sticking around in Major League Baseball, report Jayson Stark and Matt Gelb of The Athletic.  Players, who “heavily support” this new feature from the last two seasons, tell the reporters they expect it to be enacted this week with the announcement of health and safety protocols.

Though the automatic runner on second base in extra innings was originally put in place as a COVID response, ultimately the players like it because it has mostly killed the marathon extra innings game.

Stark and Gelb note that the apparition may not necessarily appear in the 10th inning, but instead could surface in the 11th or 12th.  With the National League adopting the designated hitter this year, baseball traditionalists are doing plenty of grumbling this week.

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  1. Milwaukee-2208

    2 months ago

    No. Leave your beer league softball crap rule away

    Reply
    • jmac70

      2 months ago

      Its not a beer league softball rule. Its an International baseball rule.

      Reply
      • One Bite Hotdog

        2 months ago

        Everywhere else, they call this game Batball.

        Reply
        • deweybelongsinthehall

          2 months ago

          Disgusting. Just eliminate extra innings after 11 or 12. Nothing wrong with regular season ties other than to bettors.

        • johnrealtime

          2 months ago

          Or fans who enjoy long games

        • Fever Pitch Guy

          2 months ago

          Here’s a list of some of the great moments in MLB history that would likely never have happened if this stupid phantom runner rule had been in effect:

          1) Muncy’s walkoff homerun, 18th inning, 2018 World Series Game 3.

          2) Brandon Belt’s 18th-inning homerun, 2014 NLDS Game 2.

          3) Chris Burke’s 18th-inning homerun, 2005 NLDS Game 5.

          4) Billy Hatcher’s 14th-inning homerun, 1986 NLCS Game 6.

          5) Robin Ventura’s 15th-inning Grand Slam Single, 1999 Game 5.

          6) Jim Leyritz’s 15th-inning walkoff homer, 1995 ALDS Game 2.

          7) Geoff Blum’s 14th-inning homerun, 2005 World Series Game 3.

          8) Big Papi’s walkoff single with 2 outs in the 14th inning, 2004 ALCS Game 5.

          9) Big Papi’s 12th-inning walkoff homerun, 2004 ALCS Game 4.

          And so many more I haven’t mentioned.

        • aloop

          2 months ago

          I hope they don’t do it. It would (along with the NL DH and the banning of the shift) kill what small love I have left for baseball. However if they must, I hope they limit it to the regular season.

        • Jdt8312

          2 months ago

          I’m sorry, but I’m not sitting through 11 innings just to have a tie. That may work in other sports, but not here.

        • ldoggnation

          2 months ago

          When games go that long, they seem to be more memorable.
          Before Manford put that temporary rule in, long games would get better as the innings stacked up. A lot more battle field thinking and it always resulted in memorable games.

        • ldoggnation

          2 months ago

          No. Let’s take care of the low percentage of bed wetters that don’t like any game over 9 innings.

        • deweybelongsinthehall

          2 months ago

          Most fans don’t want a change but if the league is going to screw us anyway, which would you prefer, ties or a stupid change like this?

        • bernbabybern

          2 months ago

          They don’t use the ghost runner in postseason games.

        • PhilliePhan

          2 months ago

          Well they all would have happened because the rule only applies to regular season games.

        • Schmoopkins

          2 months ago

          Presume it would not apply to the postseason and never has, but cool list.

        • Cmurphy

          2 months ago

          @Fever Hate the rule too. But don’t think the ghost runner rule was applicable for playoff games. Your point though is spot on.

        • nitnontu

          2 months ago

          Im not crazy about this extra inning rule change, and I may be comparing apples to oranges, but I’m curious as to how many of us that were against NL DH have come around to liking or at least accepting it. Perhaps the same could happen with this change

        • ukpadre

          2 months ago

          But you’d sit through 21 innings just to wake up 35-12 instead of 34-12-1 in a 162 game season? Seems an odd stance…

        • Fever Pitch Guy

          2 months ago

          I first fell in love with baseball as a kid watching Pudge wave the ball fair in the 12th inning of 1975 World Series Game 6.

          The reason why so many memorable gamewinning hits have been dramatic homeruns is because nobody was on base.

          The game is being damaged by both sides.

        • mario crosby

          2 months ago

          That rule would not be in effect for post-season baseball. So much for your argument.

        • RemoveManagerWinsFromTheRecordBooks

          2 months ago

          So no memorable extra inning games have ever happened in the regular season? Got it. Let’s just have a whole bunch of different rules in the postseason only. Yeah that makes sense.

        • thejuice01

          2 months ago

          They all would have happened because it does not apply to the postseason. Though I am not a fan of the rule.

      • FunkyD

        2 months ago

        International tournament play. And it’s exciting and makes sense in that format. Not MLB.

        Reply
        • FSF

          2 months ago

          Well if “exciting” is the main goal, why not just start every inning off with a baserunner at 2nd? I’ve no doubt it would be “exciting”. But would it really be baseball???

        • stymeedone

          2 months ago

          If one is exciting, why not load the bases each inning?

        • deweybelongsinthehall

          2 months ago

          Sadly, it takes more to excite me than it used to and starting a runner at second just doesn’t cut it…

        • Dtownwarrior78

          2 months ago

          EXACTLY!

        • bronyaur

          2 months ago

          … and have a different set of players in the field than batting….. and use aluminum bats…. And reduce the number of fielders to four…. And give each side seven outs, with two balls is a walk.

          I mean, why not? It makes more offense and the game more exciting, right?

        • MJ

          2 months ago

          Lol

          Nothing like working out of a bases loaded jam with no outs to kick off an inning!

        • Harvbanger

          2 months ago

          @bronyaur
          And have little leaguers pitch to major league hitters! And how about making the pitcher run the bases 4 times each inning before he faces a batter! Yeah…lots of ideas to make the game more exciting. We could go on like this all night!

      • Fw-

        2 months ago

        They do the same thing in women’s softball in extra innings. They also only play 7 innings. I recall hearing Manfred talk about how his daughters play softball awhile back. Coincidence? Always made me wonder if that’s where he get his ludicrous ideas from.

        Reply
    • AaronSapoznik

      2 months ago

      This begs for new poll question asap to reaffirm the majority of fans disgust with this rule. Then forward the results to Manfred, Tony Clark and Bernie Sanders so the latter can add it to his list of reasons for MLB to finally lose its antitrust exemption. lol

      Reply
    • sophiethegreatdane

      2 months ago

      As the article states, if it’s a thing that happens starting in the 12th inning, I’m fine with it. Very few people want 18-inning marathons where we wind up seeing the utility infielder lobbing meatballs over the plate.

      Reply
      • candymaldonado

        2 months ago

        I don’t think you need to invent an entire new rule that fundamentally alters the sport to prevent the type of game that happens like twice a season.

        Reply
      • Fever Pitch Guy

        2 months ago

        sophie – I know I’ll probably get crap from some people for saying this, but that’s never stopped me before sooo …..

        Anybody who didn’t enjoy 2018 World Series Game 3, which DID go 18 innings, is not really a baseball fan.

        I enjoyed that game tremendously, and I say that even though my team lost!!!

        Reply
        • Hawktattoo

          2 months ago

          And you still would…regular season only.

      • smuzqwpdmx

        2 months ago

        I still fondly remember an unimportant mid-season 18 inning game my team lost in 2016 where two infielders pitched in the 17th and 18th innings. Chances that game would’ve been memorable with a ghost runner: zero.

        Reply
        • bucsfan0004

          2 months ago

          I remember a random Wednesday night game i attended where Cutch hit an amazing extra-inning HR vs the Diamondbacks. Most games people watch are uneventful, and extra inning games frequently lead to something noteworthy in a fan’s mind. Why disrupt that?

          Runner on 2nd, ground ball, 1 out runner on 3rd, sac fly, game over… fun. Surely that will bring in new fans.

      • larry48

        2 months ago

        Why not start ac runner on 1st base. I for 1 hate the runner on second with no outs.

        Reply
    • tiger9

      2 months ago

      Honest to God….this rule is the worst of the worst. Play baseball. Not this crap.
      You make incredible cash and you have to play extra inning games. Suck it up.

      Reply
      • drtymike0509

        2 months ago

        I work overtime all the time, and, yes I get time and a half, but I’m not getting paid the 100 thousands/millions they are to regularly play a game I love. It’s what you signed up for and players paid way less, way back when, have done it since the games inception. Get over yourselves and play the game the way it always has been played. It’s not like my backyard where the neighborhood kids have 8 people playing and the ghost runner is required to have fun..

        Reply
    • redsoxu571

      2 months ago

      I’d rather have ties. They stink, but at least it would still be baseball through the end of the game. I struggled to even watch extra innings games the past two years with this awful rule.

      If the players really care about avoiding marathons (I guess all that gigantic money really does diminish the desire to work as hard), let’s do for 9 innings, one extra inning if tied after 9, and then a tie game if still tied from there.

      Reply
      • deweybelongsinthehall

        2 months ago

        I just said the same thing but 11 or 12 innings.

        Reply
    • Citizen1

      2 months ago

      Agreed. Its adding a ghost runner when you are 12 and don’t have a full squad.

      Reply
    • dugmet

      2 months ago

      I like it but only after the 12th inning. There are so many good and practical reasons for using it.

      Reply
    • Patrick OKennedy

      2 months ago

      They could not possibly do anything more utterly stupid.

      The rule is a complete bastardization of the game. It’s not real baseball.

      Reply
    • Ducky Buckin Fent

      2 months ago

      Beer league softball? Man, Ghost Runners were used when everyone else had gone home for dinner or loving moms or whatever & you & your buddy were playing one-on-one baseball.

      Need Ghost Runners for that.
      MLB? Don’t see the need.

      Reply
    • Zerbs63

      2 months ago

      Pretty soon baseball will be played with pitching machines, so we can prevent possible injuries.

      Reply
      • Ducky Buckin Fent

        2 months ago

        shhhhhhhhhh…they’ll hear you.

        Reply
  2. Kanonen80

    2 months ago

    Noooooooooooo

    Reply
    • Curly Was The Smart Stooge

      2 months ago

      Not fond of this rule. They’re picking the foundation of baseball apart, one brick at a time.

      Reply
    • All Yellon

      2 months ago

      As always, we await developments.

      Reply
    • ws_champs

      2 months ago

      BOOOO!

      Reply
  3. toptimrubies

    2 months ago

    Love the pic and writeup, Tim!

    Reply
  4. Kayrall

    2 months ago

    Noooooooooo

    Reply
  5. oldschool 15

    2 months ago

    Stupid, just stupid…

    Reply
  6. getrealgone2

    2 months ago

    Uhg. This is ridiculous.

    Reply
  7. Curveball1984

    2 months ago

    Nooooooooo!

    Reply
  8. Brooklynmetsfan 2

    2 months ago

    Should be the 12th inning on not the 10th or 11th

    Reply
    • Ted

      2 months ago

      That’s not an awful compromise, honestly.

      Reply
      • Curveball1984

        2 months ago

        I’d rather do what Len Kasper suggested, just go 12 innings, and if no one takes the lead, call a tie. I’d rather have that than this BS runner on 2nd crap.

        Reply
        • PutPeteRoseInTheHall

          2 months ago

          No. Let’s go ahead and keep it so that there’s a winner. That’s darn near calling everyone a winner

      • ws_champs

        2 months ago

        There’s overtime… and then a shootout.

        For comparison.

        Reply
        • drtymike0509

          2 months ago

          just go 12 regular innings then pick 2 players from each team and do a homerun derby, 5 swings each, most homers wins. Now that’s “real baseball” (eye roll)

        • dpsmith22

          2 months ago

          It’s no worse than this.

    • cleve1969

      2 months ago

      I totally agree … if implemented, it should begin in the 12th inning.

      Reply
    • DragBunt

      2 months ago

      Kudos, I like that idea. Particularly since the idea is to not let games go on forever.

      Reply
    • miltpappas

      2 months ago

      Or they could just leave it alone and, if they really want to cut down time on the game, drop 15-20% of the commercials and broadcasters’ banter.

      Reply
      • phantomofdb

        2 months ago

        Commercials really don’t add as much time to the game as you think. All the stalling between pitches is much more to blame

        Reply
        • Fever Pitch Guy

          2 months ago

          phantom – Are you really not aware of the added amount of time for commercial breaks whenever it’s a nationally televised game, and even longer TV breaks for the postseason.

          Owners don’t give a dam about longer games when their precious TV revenue is threatened.

        • bronyaur

          2 months ago

          Dude, I don’t think you could be more wrong on this. Next time you watch a game, haul out a stopwatch, and count up the percentage of the duration of the game is between innings and during pitching changes for commercials. Cutting this in half would have zero impact on game play.

  9. kabphillie

    2 months ago

    While it isn’t the best idea ever, it beats watching position players pitching in the 18th inning. Games shouldn’t last that long.

    Reply
    • galer18

      2 months ago

      But they rarely ever do anyways, so who cares?

      Reply
      • mlb1225

        2 months ago

        Exactly, like not even 1% of extra inning games reach the 13th. Let’s say there are 100 extra inning games in a season. On average, about 1 in every 132 extra inning games reaches that point. 1 in every 666 extra inning games reaches the 15th.

        Reply
        • bucsfan0004

          2 months ago

          There you go, stating facts again.

    • John Kruk’s Hair Stylist

      2 months ago

      one of my favorite baseball memories is watching Wilson Valdez bring home a W in 2011 for the Phils. you play until you win the game, no matter how long it takes *shrug* keep baseball baseball

      Reply
    • bucketbrew35

      2 months ago

      No it doesn’t actually.

      Reply
    • mlb1225

      2 months ago

      Yeah, but how often does it get to that point? Maybe once a year, if that even?

      Reply
    • William

      2 months ago

      This isn’t aimed at you, just in general. God knows getting more baseball is a bad thing, and long games are never tense and exciting. Sarcasm off. If you paid (an astronomical price in many stadiums) for the ticket, you can leave when you want, even early if you desire, or stick around and watch your team. If you are watching TV, you can flip the channel. Perhaps someone can point that out to the league, and allow teams to play games to their conclusion the way it was intended to be played, and allow them to decide how they will deal with those incredibly rare situations where a game goes that long. Teams are choosing to throw position players, or 12th on the depth chart relievers. Thats their call, but I would rather see my team lose that way, by choice, then watch another team score a runner they didn’t earn, off a pitcher that didn’t give the runner up on a bloop hit.

      Reply
      • drtymike0509

        2 months ago

        This…

        Reply
        • stymeedone

          2 months ago

          Next they will put a stop watch on it. Game ends after 2.5 hours, because the prima Dona players need their 8 full hours of sleep and sometimes 9 innings just takes too Much effort.

    • Zerbs63

      2 months ago

      Some of my favorite memories at a baseball game were during a long extra inning game. The untraditional 14th inning stretch, watching position players pitch, pitchers pinch hit/run, watching players play different positions. Plus your chances of getting foul balls greatly improve. Players smile a lot and seem to have fun. It’s not like these games happen regularly, I have been to easily over 1000 MLB games in my life and I have only been to two games that lasted past the 13th inning.

      Reply
    • flamingbagofpoop

      2 months ago

      Why not?

      Reply
  10. BigGiantHead

    2 months ago

    Ugh, poor underpaid boys don’t like long games.

    Reply
    • getrealgone2

      2 months ago

      Beat me to it.

      Reply
    • dpsmith22

      2 months ago

      Careful Big Head. Many people out here think the players are right about everything. They deserve to make 40mil per. I mean after all they are just taking it from billionaires right….

      Reply
  11. AshamedMethGoat

    2 months ago

    Of all the COVID rules, this was the worst.

    Reply
    • Joe says...

      2 months ago

      7 inning games were far worse.

      Reply
      • RazorRamonie

        2 months ago

        Ooh there is a poll question the guy on 2nd is pretty horrible but not playing 9 innings that’s little league stuff

        Reply
      • 48-team MLB

        2 months ago

        Agreed. The extra-innings rule is GARBAGE but the fact that you shorten TWO games just because one has to be postponed is beyond idiotic.

        Reply
        • stymeedone

          2 months ago

          Plus they still sell each game separately, and have the gonads to charge full price for a partial game.

  12. KCelts

    2 months ago

    Stop.

    Reply
  13. SaiEnder14

    2 months ago

    As a Braves, I don’t know which news is worse. Freddie wearing a different jersey or this. I’m going to go with ghost runner. Complete and utter corniness.

    Reply
  14. FletcherFan69

    2 months ago

    Those “players” who like it aren’t baseball players, they’re cheap entertainers trying to get a cheap thrill out of short-attention-spanned children

    Reply
    • costergaard2

      2 months ago

      For hundreds of thousands to tens of millions of dollars, you can play a few more innings. If you don’t like long games, then win your games in 9 innings

      Reply
  15. mister guy

    2 months ago

    ugh. no.

    Reply
  16. wesstl

    2 months ago

    No

    Reply
  17. theroyal19

    2 months ago

    I’m 100% fine with it being used in the 12th or 13th inning on

    Reply
    • Halo11Fan

      2 months ago

      theroyal19.

      Same here. Start in the 12th. The problem is NO ONE likes extra innings. Not the players, managers, fans (ratings), program directors, vendors, networks, stadium employees, GMs, travel secretaires, fans in attendance. NO ONE.

      As a whole, you can’t find one group that actually likes extra innings games. I’m shocked so many fans hate it. If those fans against it actually watched extra innings games, then the ratings wouldn’t suck.

      Reply
      • Dodgerbleu

        2 months ago

        I don’t like extra inning games on TV, but I LOVE extra inning games live. Do wish the concession stands would open back up. If they continued to serve beer, I’d want all my in-person games to go extra..

        Reply
        • Halo11Fan

          2 months ago

          I love extra-inning games. When I’ve been the one driving, I’ve never left one.

          I went to KC on a road trip this year and went to one of the greatest extra innings games ever, but my ride wanted to leave after the 10th.

          I flew to Kansas City, stayed at a hotel, went to the game just to see the stadium, and the guy I was with wanted to go home.

          I don’t get it, but that’s the way it is.

      • dpsmith22

        2 months ago

        @hello I am not sure those numbers are accurate. Most of the fans I know love extra innings games at the Yard.

        Reply
    • Josh5890

      2 months ago

      Agreed. Obviously not for the postseason, but the rule is perfect for the regular season to avoid super long games where position players start pitching.

      Reply
  18. cheeryvladdy

    2 months ago

    Love the picture of Casper! Lol

    Reply
  19. TrumpChop+Charles Barkley's Guarantee

    2 months ago

    First Freddy is gone and now this! This rule is best applied after 12 or so innings

    Reply
  20. galer18

    2 months ago

    Oh come on!!!!! Why the hell you gotta do this to us like that???? Just when I thought I was finally free of that BS, here we go again.

    Reply
  21. rememberthecoop

    2 months ago

    I am not necessarily a traditionist but I don’t like that rule. Why not just have ties?

    Reply
  22. mlb1225

    2 months ago

    This is really just something that is unnecessary. It prevents the 20 inning game that happens not even once a year. In 6 seasons from 2011 to 2016, less than 1% of even made it to the 13th inning. Less than .25% made it to the 15th. (source: https://www.quora.com/What-percent-of-baseball-games-reach-each-inning)

    Reply
  23. tercera_base

    2 months ago

    Gross.

    Reply
  24. claude raymond

    2 months ago

    12th inning. My guess is most xtra inning games end before 12th. Anyone have stats on that?

    Reply
    • Yankee Clipper

      2 months ago

      Look above

      Reply
    • yewed

      2 months ago

      In 2019 44% of the extra inning games ended in the 10th. Since they started the ghost runner, 73% have now finished in the 10th.
      17% went over 12 innings and that now dropped to 1% after the ghost runner.

      Reply
  25. Yankee Clipper

    2 months ago

    Ugh, even the players are on board with this stupidity. At least play two regular extra-innings before jumping into this garbage, will ya?

    Reply
  26. gol d. pond

    2 months ago

    This rule doesn’t bring in new fans, it just annoys the current ones. MLB is stupid

    Reply
    • larry48

      2 months ago

      When they start a ghost runner on the second I turn off the tv. I just can’t watch it.

      Reply
  27. ohyeadam

    2 months ago

    Booooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Reply
  28. NMK 2

    2 months ago

    May as roll a dice and see how many runs each team once the ninth inning ends. Hell, do it for the whole game. Come up with rules and systems to play the game without actually playing. Nobody actually wants to watch baseball, right? /s

    Reply
    • vtbaseball

      2 months ago

      That’s called Strat-o-matic. A great baseball game every baseball fan should play as a kid.

      You’re right, they may as well play it that way with garbage rules like ghost runners.

      Reply
      • RazorRamonie

        2 months ago

        Don’t forget the ghost win in the playoffs they were talking about. This is really frustrating all this nonsense they’re coming up with.

        Reply
      • NMK 2

        2 months ago

        I’m aware; that was my point 🙂

        Reply
    • breckdog

      2 months ago

      Just do a pregame coin toss winner of coin toss would be winner if it goes to extra innings. That would be a garbage rule too but still better than ghost runner and 7 inning games. Extra runner is just a coin toss any way.

      Reply
  29. beyou02215

    2 months ago

    Horrible. Horrible. Horrible. Horrible. I knew this would rear its ugly head again.

    Reply
  30. MetsFan22

    2 months ago

    Power rankings…

    Mets
    Dodgers
    Rays
    Whitesoxs
    Braves

    Reply
    • Yankee Clipper

      2 months ago

      Booooooooooooooooooo

      Reply
    • Milwaukee-2208

      2 months ago

      Must be nice to win the offseason on paper. Mets will be the Padres 2.0

      Reply
    • 48-team MLB

      2 months ago

      The Mets will be one of the GREATEST 79-win teams of all time.

      Reply
  31. In nurse follars

    2 months ago

    Hate that silly gimmick. Why not have a homerun derby if tied after 9? Makes about as much sense.

    Reply
    • smuzqwpdmx

      2 months ago

      Have the two managers arm wrestle for it at home plate.

      Reply
  32. baseballlover6363

    2 months ago

    Less baseball for baseball lovers like myself! Great news!

    Reply
  33. Mario93

    2 months ago

    Bring back real baseball, let them go extra innings normally. It’s a ridiculous rule to have a runner at 2nd.. Just ridiculous.

    Reply
  34. Old York

    2 months ago

    I don’t want a ghost runner but if they do implement it, put the runner on 1st base, not 2nd base. As it stands, a RP can come in, get two flyouts and the other team can actually score. That isn’t exciting or fun and the pitcher did his job and still gave up the lead. Make the teams actually get hits to score the runners and encourage more running game, etc. That is what brings excitement to the game.

    Reply
  35. TheMoose

    2 months ago

    I am for some variety of the ghost runner rule, and even this year, too. No one ever needed those extra-long games lasting into and even past the wee hours of the morning.
    It was good to my Mariners last year, and the players mostly like it.
    Pretty rough on a getaway day to not get that needed rest.
    I like it starting the 11th.

    Reply
    • Tomahawk Takeover

      2 months ago

      The game has been fine for years with extra inning games on get away day. If players can’t hang, maybe the games not for them

      Reply
      • TheMoose

        2 months ago

        Well, Tomahawk Takeover, I disagree. The game has not been fine, in that particular regard.
        But no one ever came up with a good solution until last year.
        By the way, what the article calls the “baseball purists” are mostly a lot of kids who are parroting what they have heard over the years.
        I have followed baseball since the 1950s, and the “purists” were a bunch of soreheads then, too.
        They complain about everything.

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        • Dodgerbleu

          2 months ago

          Another meaning for a baseball purist is someone who can’t get enough baseball. Love him or hate him, Pete Rose wanted baseball opening day to start the day after the World Series. Rogers Hornsby has his famous quote – “People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring”. Those are baseball purists in the sense that they want baseball 24/7, not that they are/were old soreheads (though they were both that too).

          Sometimes it’s just for the love of the game. That’s pure.

        • $21002046

          2 months ago

          What an utterly brain dead take Moose

    • Old York

      2 months ago

      @TheMoose

      I don’t see why we couldn’t implement it in each inning? Why specifically 10th or 11th? Wouldn’t we have more opportunities to score runs and reduce the potential for ties if there was always a player on 1st base starting each inning?

      Reply
      • stymeedone

        2 months ago

        Lets just load the bases to start every inning.

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  36. machurucuto

    2 months ago

    Lazy players do not want to play more than 9 innings… keep destroying the game

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  37. bobtillman

    2 months ago

    Anything that stops the endless swinging-from-the-heels-to end-the=game. KEEP IT! Saves pitching staffs, extra-inning games tend to get boring.

    Keep the 7 inning double headers too….that was a GREAT idea.

    (Imagine re-imaging ALL the games to 7 innings….limited pitching changes…. get rid of the Super Ball,,,,games under 2 hours….ACTION BASEBALL!!!!!).

    Maybe the kids would start watching again.

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    • Old York

      2 months ago

      If you want to speed the game up, change foul balls into actual strikes. So, if the batter is 0-2 and hits a foul ball, it’s a strikeout and the batter sits down.

      Reply
      • bobtillman

        2 months ago

        I LIKE IT!!!!

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    • Tomahawk Takeover

      2 months ago

      Maybe if kids don’t have the attention span to watch a normal game, they shouldn’t watch? There’s no since in fixing what isn’t broken.

      Reply
    • NMK 2

      2 months ago

      If you want to watch a sport that’s all about non-stop action without the chess-level moves, watch the NBA or NASCAR. Baseball should be nine innings plus extra innings with 10-pitch battles, double plays and late-inning rallies. I don’t know how you find extra-inning games boring, but I’m on the edge of my seat, especially if we have the lead and my bullpen has been shaky.

      A better way to get the kids watching again is to breathe life into the ballpark again. Specifically, stop maximizing profits and selling luxury boxes to corporations. Instead, lower ticket prices and concession stands so families can go more often, eliciting more organic interest from kids. It’ll never happen, which is why MLB will continue to struggle with kids.

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  38. Samer

    2 months ago

    The best thing are the 20 inning games.

    This is the ONE CHANGE i dont approve of.

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  39. kreckert

    2 months ago

    Oh come on. I’m all for rules changes that actually make the game better. This doesn’t.

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  40. pburns65

    2 months ago

    I love baseball. The longer the game the better. There are only 162 per year, enjoy them!

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  41. freeland1787

    2 months ago

    I would rather see ties than another Manfred Man extra inning.

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  42. blueboy714

    2 months ago

    good god no.

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  43. Tomahawk Takeover

    2 months ago

    Yeah, keep pissing of fans with stupidity. That will only help grow the game. Idiots.

    Reply
  44. amjr

    2 months ago

    Only this commish would consider this. Ugh.

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  45. themed

    2 months ago

    First the DH now this crap. To go along with the auto walk and no breaking up double plays at 2nd or having a play at the plate. This game is going downhill fast! No strategy just play long offensive games and wonder why it takes so long. Amazingly stupid moves!

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  46. 48-team MLB

    2 months ago

    NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

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  47. fffbbb

    2 months ago

    Awful and sad.

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  48. Bryzzo2016

    2 months ago

    Anyone know where they settled on the shift? I know there was talk of eliminating but as the CBA drama finally came to a close, I don’t recall reading anything further about it.

    Reply
    • bighiggy

      2 months ago

      I think the shift ban is so stupid. Yes let’s prolong the careers of guys who won’t change the way they hit and swing out of their shoes. Banning the shift will probably lead to even more strikeouts as players won’t care about trying to take the ball the other way and just swing as hard as they can. Even my wife thinks the ban shift is stupid, she said “what’s baseball without the strategy”. And she doesn’t even like baseball

      Reply
      • StudWinfield

        2 months ago

        Limit the shift too. Let defensively talented players be great again!

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      • Patrick OKennedy

        2 months ago

        The shift will be banned in 2023

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  49. seamaholic 2

    2 months ago

    Yes! Easily the best of the COVID rules. Made close games so much more enjoyable.

    Reply
    • Rezonator

      2 months ago

      /s

      Reply
    • Otto371

      2 months ago

      Preach!

      Reply
    • acmeants

      2 months ago

      No. The one that was OK was the 7 inning doubleheaders.

      Reply
  50. dlw0906

    2 months ago

    WTF…the absolutely dumbest on-field move to be extended??? There should seriously be fan boycott over this insanity.

    Two things separating baseball from other sports are how the dimensions of the field play a role as well as impact the on-field action and that there is no time limit to how long the game can continue if its tied.

    I’d rather see ties credited to teams after 12 innings than the ghost-runner rule reinstated. I’m not for either but at least the former isn’t on the level of something you’d do in backyard wiffle ball.

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    • acmeants

      2 months ago

      There’s no tieing or crying in baseball.

      Reply
  51. Bigtimeyankeefan

    2 months ago

    It’s not baseball… you play until you REALLY score

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  52. Rezonator

    2 months ago

    Gross. I thought they killed this with the new CBA?

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  53. blueboy714

    2 months ago

    Good god no. If you must have a ghost runner then start him at first base, but this rule along with the seven inning DH games were the worst of the Covid/Manfred rules

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  54. Old York

    2 months ago

    The Pawtucket Red Sox and the Rochester Red Wings, two teams from the Triple-A International League, played the longest game in professional baseball history. It lasted 33 innings, with 8 hours and 25 minutes of playing time. 32 innings were played April 18/19, 1981, at McCoy Stadium in Pawtucket, Rhode Island, and the final 33rd inning was played June 23, 1981. Pawtucket won the game, 3–2.

    Reply
    • goob

      2 months ago

      And I was there for every pitch, despite the fact that I’m only in my thirties.
      Past lives are real – bitches!

      Reply
  55. tuckshop25

    2 months ago

    Nooooooooooooooo

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  56. Dustyslambchops23

    2 months ago

    I don’t like a lot of change but an 18 inning game between the pirates and diamondbacks in May is not a great situation for anyone.

    I would edit the rule tho.

    10th, no runners on
    11th, last out on first
    12th, last out on second
    13th, last out on third

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  57. Jaysmooth2121

    2 months ago

    This is horrible & anyone that stands besides this truly doesn’t love baseball !

    Reply
    • Otto371

      2 months ago

      I stand beside it and i love baseball. Its exciting and makes extra inning must watch from the start.

      Reply
  58. goob

    2 months ago

    “With the National League adopting the designated hitter this year, baseball traditionalists are doing plenty of grumbling this week.”

    Yeah, but some of those guys probably don’t like catchers wearing facemasks either. I kid. 🙂

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  59. kingbum

    2 months ago

    No…if this is going to remain part of the game I’m going to stop watching, the bulk of the season is in summer I can be outside having a fire…..

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  60. Painful itch

    2 months ago

    I liked it. Maybe because it was the only way the Mariners could get someone to 2nd base sometimes.

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  61. Pete'sView

    2 months ago

    How bout before each game, all players who opened the game throw into a hat the breakfast they had (eggs, waffles, sausages, etc — one item per player only). If it’s tied after 9 innings, the umpire draws from a “hat,” and the breakfast item that is chosen gives the win to that players team. If a player from the other team also has that item, then both players are asked to eat another breakfast immediately, and the one who finishes first, his team is the winner. Fans will eat it up!

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  62. lrcardinal

    2 months ago

    please don’t!!

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  63. Edp007

    2 months ago

    Please No

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  64. HomerSexual

    2 months ago

    Stupid AF

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  65. vtbaseball

    2 months ago

    The only places I want ghost runners are sandlot games and backyard whiffle ball.

    Reply
  66. bobtillman

    2 months ago

    Another idea: Forget this “regular season” nonsense… Paly about 140 games whose only purpose is to seed. Playoffs starting in September, which would kick the NFL right in the butt.

    Stops tanking all together…the better you play over the 140, the more games you get to play, the more fannies in the seats; the more games to stream/gamble on.

    MAKE EVERY GAME COUNT! FOR EVERY TEAM!

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  67. TrillionaireTeamOperator

    2 months ago

    I hate this rule so much, I think teams should have standby soccer players on the payroll and bring out soccer goals and goal area lines and have a sudden death kick off over the man on second to start the inning rule. It would make as much sense and it’d actually be more fair and logical.

    I think in all seriousness they should just let it go and go back to the old style of insanely long games every once in a blue moon. Those games are fun. I love those games. I’ve been at a few of them and watched a bunch more on TV and they’re fairly rare and they’re exciting because of how ridiculous the length is.

    But the man starting on second rule is one of the worst things to ever happen to baseball. It’s worse than a pitch count clock thing and it’s almost as bad as the shift- but at least a batter can potentially beat the shift.

    Or they could do a home run derby.

    Or maybe start the runner on first, not second and keep the force out rule. The fact that they won’t do that says a lot about how it’s designed to put the team on defense at a distinct disadvantage. You get a couple long fly outs or an effective bunt to get the guy on second over to third, you have two outs left- you get a long flying pop out or a single and the game is over. It’s so stupid.

    If you’re gonna start the guy on second, you also need to make it a two out inning.

    The man starts on second with three outs situation is just too ridiculously lopsided from the get go.

    On to my less serious but still serious suggestions because I hate man starts on second rule so much.

    You get the two loudest farters from either team and use a machine to measure the pitch and volume of the farts against each other.

    Or a thumb war.

    Or an arm wrestling contest.

    Or have them sit quietly and play poker.

    I hate this man starts on second rule so much I’d prefer them to decide the game with literally any other tactic and mini-game.

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  68. MoneyBallJustWorks

    2 months ago

    it also boosts RBI and run numbers which results in more $$$$ for players

    Reply
    • gozurman1

      2 months ago

      Actually, it won’t mean much difference as the only way the game ends is on at least one run scoring anyway…..

      Reply
      • CHS O'sFan

        2 months ago

        But when both teams score the coast runner in the 11th and send the game to the 12th it does.

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  69. rolder

    2 months ago

    Give tie games before this ghost runner clown show.

    Reply
    • Otto371

      2 months ago

      Youre a clown show.

      Reply
  70. thelegendaryharambe

    2 months ago

    It’s not 18 days from now yet. Why did you post this today?

    Reply
    • gozurman1

      2 months ago

      18 days to wind up the readers 🙂

      Reply
  71. gozurman1

    2 months ago

    I don’t think either MLB officials nor the MLBPA officials and players are here reading the comments. So in the words of “Tripper” Harrison, “It just doesn’t matter, It just doesn’t matter…” what we think to those that will make the decision.

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  72. Jcullen13

    2 months ago

    I get it’s international rules but this isn’t international baseball it’s MLB. Supposed to be the greatest of the great. So, no, there is no ghost runner. Play it until a winner is decided. How many games go 13+ innings. I can buy into something in LATER extra innings.

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  73. NYMetsFanatic

    2 months ago

    What a bunch of wusses! That’s not a baseball rule, it’s a softball rule! That doesn’t belong in major league baseball for Pete’s sake! Geeeezzzz

    Reply
  74. fox471 Dave

    2 months ago

    Dumbest change ever.

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  75. hawksondamove

    2 months ago

    I understand the game can get long, especially a double header, but I am old school an like it the way it has been for years. If you get tired just record it and watch later or look at the highlights on your favorite sports channel. I just think it can change the outcome of the game and also how it’s managed. You should have to earn the base and not be given it. How can you change the stats of a pitcher’s if he didn’t originally give up the runner on second, but yet he scores. The batter shouldn’t be awarded an RBI. Think of how this changes the record books when discussing rbi’s,era’s, etc. Think about it also if the batter didn’t get the RBI because the rule of the ghost runner. He earned the hit while a man was on base that may have won the game, yet gets no credit as far as an RBI. It just needs to he left alone. They make good enough money to play a little longer and players have done it that way for years. I’m not against change sometimes it’s good, but I don’t like this JMO, but I am not a fan of awarding something not earned and punishing someone for something that wasn’t earned. I know it’s fair for one as is the other, but then again in some situations, maybe not. Not trying to argue, but just my thoughts and maybe some of you may have a different opinion that may change what I think about the rule. Take Care & God Bless!!

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    • Mario93

      2 months ago

      Facts.. you’re right about everything. Definitely agree.

      Reply
  76. clrrogers

    2 months ago

    We kept hearing for 99 days how much each side wanted to make the game better for the fans, yet all I’m hearing here is the players “heavily support” it. I guess it turns out neither side really cares about the fan after all.

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  77. geoffb

    2 months ago

    This isn’t even fun anymore

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  78. Max Powers

    2 months ago

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  79. Old York

    2 months ago

    If we ant to be purists, get back to the days where the batters got to tell the pitcher where to throw the ball. Should provide a lot more offense.

    Reply
  80. Doug Dueck

    2 months ago

    I too vote against it.

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  81. SaoMagnifico

    2 months ago

    This is just awful. Leave this crap out of professional baseball.

    Reply
  82. stan lee the manly

    2 months ago

    Just leave it alone!

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  83. basquiat

    2 months ago

    What MLB is saying is that professional baseball players can’t get on base in an extra inning game. This is playing to the least common denominator to draw clicks and eyeballs for nothing more than money. It’s not going to grow a fan base. Baseball fans recognize this stunt for what it is.

    Reply
    • Otto371

      2 months ago

      This has nothing to do with the inability to get on base in extra innings. Its about ending regular season games without the marathons the burn pitchers and lose fans as they go into the next morning!

      Reply
      • mils100

        2 months ago

        it is about nobody makes money in extra innings. Get the game over with asap. Has nothing to do w the integrity of the game. If the rule added excitement, strategy or fun, why not have it for the playoffs?

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  84. fivetwos

    2 months ago

    Play at least the 10th inning under real rules.

    Jeez.

    Reply
    • Otto371

      2 months ago

      I agree. 10th inning normal and then go runner on first for the 11th and 12th on runner on second.

      Reply
  85. TwinCities

    2 months ago

    As a lover of baseball, this really breaks my heart.

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    • Otto371

      2 months ago

      As a lover of baseball, i LOVE this rule.

      Reply
  86. bravesfan

    2 months ago

    This is the biggest joke and shouldn’t remotely be considered. Like how is this even a thing!!! Terrible mlb. Shame on you

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  87. pdxbrewcrew

    2 months ago

    If they’re going to have the rule of starting extra innings with a base runner, at least put the runner on first, not second. Then a team would have to get a couple of hits (or one solid extra-base hit at minimum) to drive in that run, instead of just a bloop single.

    Reply
    • acmeants

      2 months ago

      I agree, the runner should be the next man up not the guy who made the last out. Seems like he is getting two ABs in a row. In other words out of order.

      Reply
  88. mattyvince

    2 months ago

    Add to after 12 innings, no one likes watching an all night 18 inning marathon

    Reply
    • prov356

      2 months ago

      You may not like it but I do. Not everyone thinks like you.

      Reply
  89. prov356

    2 months ago

    Dumbest rule ever. Next will be the “pitch to your own team” rule.

    Reply
    • Bravesfan59

      2 months ago

      no actually the next one will probably be the ghost win which the players liked. don’t be surprised if you see that one next

      Reply
    • Otto371

      2 months ago

      I cant get enough of all the haters of this rule! This is one of the few things MLB has actually gotten right.

      Reply
      • prov356

        2 months ago

        Why do you characterize someone with a different opinion on a subject as a “hater”? That’s as dumb as me calling you a hater for disagreeing with my opinion. Narrow minded at best.

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      • FSF

        2 months ago

        So in other words, you are the sole arbiter of what’s “right” or “wrong” about baseball?

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  90. James1955

    2 months ago

    You don’t wear out the pitchers in an extra inning game. I would rather lose the game than wear out pitchers in an extra inning games.

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  91. chris5252

    2 months ago

    This makes no sense. The runner has no reason to be on base in this situation.

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    • Otto371

      2 months ago

      The reason is to end the game instead of playing 15 innings into the next morning.

      Reply
  92. orange2001

    2 months ago

    I knew it was too good to be true. Why can’t we just leave the game alone and keep the same rules we’ve had before Manfred took over…

    Reply
  93. comish4lif

    2 months ago

    Why cannot we just have a tie?
    Play 12 innings then call it quits.

    Reply
  94. James1955

    2 months ago

    The purists don’t like any changes. They get over it.

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  95. vaderzim

    2 months ago

    Weird how this article initially had a Poll that said fans were 87% against this rule, and now that poll is no longer here

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  96. Bravesfan59

    2 months ago

    if you’re going to make this rule, then just get rid of pitchers era stat

    Reply
    • Otto371

      2 months ago

      I am pretty sure its not an earned run.

      Reply
  97. forwhomjoshbelltolled

    2 months ago

    If the players didn’t adjust their batting gloves for an hour and a half each game maybe they wouldn’t have to have a Little League tie breaking system.

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    • Bravesfan59

      2 months ago

      the picture stop throwing over to first base 30 times then maybe they wouldn’t have this rule

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    • Otto371

      2 months ago

      So bitter lol

      Reply
      • forwhomjoshbelltolled

        2 months ago

        I’d have to care to be bitter.

        If you want to watch such a charade and find it entertaining, more power to you.

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  98. William

    2 months ago

    One of the dumbest non sensical rules in the history of baseball. I hated the idea when they floated it, was amazed they implemented it, and hated even more then i imagined when it was put in. At the very least, the runner should only be put on first, allowing for more strategy, and the chance for the pitcher to roll a double play to counteract the stupid rule. . There is no reason a pitcher should have to endure his stats getting screwed, and his team win chances being thrown out the window because a runner you didn’t let reach base scores on nearly any conceivable hit. If you are playing against certain (cough cough) teams, you may as well hand them the pitch selection, and location as well.

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    • Otto371

      2 months ago

      I hated the idea when it first came up but after seeing it ok tv and in person i cant get enough of it. Bring it on!

      Reply
    • forwhomjoshbelltolled

      2 months ago

      Wow, I didn’t even bother reading and assumed it was the man on first rule.

      A free guy on second? Just flip a coin and go home.

      High card.

      Rock paper scissors.

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    • acmeants

      2 months ago

      One more thing. Why is the player that made the last out put on base? Shouldn’t it be the next man up?

      Reply
  99. VegasSDfan

    2 months ago

    I love this rule as regular season extra inning games used to go on forever. Why should a regular season game go more than 12 innings? Call it a tie after 12.

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    • Otto371

      2 months ago

      I love the rule, but no ties. 11th should be runner on first and the 12th on should be runner on second. The game will end. No need for ties.

      Reply
  100. Rush Jez

    2 months ago

    Don’t bring this rule back, this it not real baseball.

    Reply
    • Otto371

      2 months ago

      Yes it is. Adapt or die my friend.

      Reply
      • TurnOffTheTV

        2 months ago

        Another reason why baseball is dying.

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      • DarkSide830

        2 months ago

        adapt to what?

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  101. BigGiantHead

    2 months ago

    Next thing you know, they’ll ban curve balls because the poor underpaid boys can’t hit them.

    Reply
    • Otto371

      2 months ago

      Even as a joke this is a huge stretch of a comparison.

      Reply
  102. kodiak920

    2 months ago

    Why is it that most of the bad ideas that many(most) fans don’t want, are, invariably, the ones that go through with no problem? This being one of them(in my opinion).

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  103. Otto371

    2 months ago

    Thank god! I love this rule. I hated the idea at first but after seeing it for two years I am in favor of it. It makes extra inning must see television. Its fun and exciting. The old men who hate change cant stand it but as a part of the younger demographic im on board.

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  104. barryr

    2 months ago

    God knows I’m old enough to be old school – I saw games at Ebbets Field – but I also see that the game has changed. In 80-90% of games there is a parade of pitchers starting around the sixth inning. Managers arrange the parade for a nine inning game. They have a couple of relievers they absolutely won’t use because they pitched the last two or three nights, they might have one pitcher out there capable of pitching three innings, but as likely or not, he won’t be available for the eleventh or twelfth, having been used earlier.
    So by the time you get to the 12th or 13th, you have either a tired pitcher or a position player on the mound. If you reach the 16th, you might as well be playing tee-ball.
    And that is why doing something to end the game earlier has merit. I like the gradual progression system with a normal tenth, followed by a runner on first in the eleventh – although the runner on first will slow the game to a crawl at the worst possible time (when folks want to go to bed)..
    I would prefer a game with the traditional rules. I would also prefer a game with starting pitchers throwing complete games. and pitchers at least competent with a bat in their hands. Things change and so does baseball.

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    • acmeants

      2 months ago

      Pitchers need to go 8 innings or more. They get paid plenty to pitch.

      Reply
  105. StudWinfield

    2 months ago

    Yes! Best change since they fixed the “Glavine” strike zone

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  106. DarkSide830

    2 months ago

    STOP

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  107. Eovaldismemes

    2 months ago

    Breaking News: MLB Lockout expected to make a return over MLB and the PA disagreeing again :O

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  108. Just me & friends

    2 months ago

    I and everyone I know beg you to stop agreeing ruin the game of baseball. Runner on second is stupid and is not real or earned. PLEASE……….

    Reply
    • StudWinfield

      2 months ago

      Right…the extra innings runner is what’s ruining the game…lol

      Reply
  109. angels24

    2 months ago

    No! God No!

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  110. LordD99

    2 months ago

    No.

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  111. tigerdoc616

    2 months ago

    Never had any issue with the rule. It works well at the MiLB level. I get why the player like it. Extra innings, especially long extra inning games sucks if you are a player. And while there are not that many extra inning games, a long one can really screw up your pitching staff for weeks. What kills me is how many fans wax romantic about extra innings. Most fans don’t stay if the game goes to extras and even fewer stay if it runs more than an inning or two longer. Most fans at home tune out as well. So keeping the the old extra innings rule so a small contingent of fans can wax nostalgic makes little sense. My only ask would be do the 10th without the ghost runner and move to that format for the 11th if needed.

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    • acmeants

      2 months ago

      I once stayed at a Braves game on a cold night in May until they won it in the 15 on a blooper by pitcher Mike Stanton. Talk about drama…

      Reply
  112. Old York

    2 months ago

    How about this. Based it all on your record. So, if your team is 60-20, then your team will start the next game with an additional 40 runs. And if your team is 20-60, then your team starts the next game with a (negative) 40 runs. Less chance of games going into extra innings.

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  113. jeppeson

    2 months ago

    They are paid to play till the game is over. Fans pay to see a real game. They can leave if game goes to long. We also should not have to watch position players pitch. When I was young, I paid hard earned money and had to watch Wayne Gross pitch for Oakland. Not major league.

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  114. msiegel67

    2 months ago

    I’d like to see this, but only with a runner on 1st to start, not straight to scoring position. Something like the below would still help speed up the game, but has more consistency to it:

    10th Inning – zero runners on
    11th Inning – Runner starts on 1st
    12th Inning – Runner starts on 2nd
    13th Inning – Runner starts on 3rd
    14th Inning+++ – Runner starts on 3rd

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    • Bravesfan59

      2 months ago

      with this logic games will be 40 innings

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  115. HalosHeavenJJ

    2 months ago

    I’d love to see a study that shows if this actually works or not. Based on what I’ve seen, it does. And it adds immediate drama to extra innings.

    But what does the math say? How many extra innings did it take to resolve games on average prior to this rule? How many does it take now?

    Reply
  116. MikeD26

    2 months ago

    Nobody likes it but, after the runner on second rule, more people were watching the extra innings games, why? There is more action, excitement.

    Reply
    • HalosHeavenJJ

      2 months ago

      It is crazy exciting. In the old days sometimes you could kind of tune out of an extra innings game, especially one with very little offense.

      Now, you are engaged from the first pitch.

      Reply
  117. mils100

    2 months ago

    I despise the rule but am fine if it starts in the 12th. I find it really boring. Leads to pitchers trying to strike everyone out. Saved 4 minutes a game which is nothing. Way too sudden of a shift from 9th to 10th w alternate rules. Impacts too many games. In the 12th, will see it a lot less.

    I much much prefer what the frontier (i think) is doing. Play 12 normal. then like a shootout w a runner on 1st. If the guy scores, you win.

    Reply
  118. Bjoe

    2 months ago

    DUMB

    Reply
  119. PitcherMeRolling

    2 months ago

    You guys (MLB & MLBPA) have accomplished a lot. Why don’t you stop talking to each other for a while?

    Reply
  120. Bravesfan59

    2 months ago

    How about this??
    You get 27 outs,then it’s your turn to bat.,until they get 27 outs from you ,at beginning of each game.Whoever has most runs wins.

    Reply
  121. TurnOffTheTV

    2 months ago

    Are you kidding me? What a joke. NL DH and now this. Talk about ruining the game……this is why I don’t watch much or go to games anymore.

    Reply
  122. huron66

    2 months ago

    Oh no…

    Reply
  123. huron66

    2 months ago

    What a joke, why not let him take a beer out with him too.

    Reply
  124. James1955

    2 months ago

    If were up to the purists, we would still being playing baseball with sticks and stones.

    Reply
    • StudWinfield

      2 months ago

      C’mon. I think even the purist of purists would accept a rolled up sock. Wool not cotton.

      Reply
    • mlb1225

      2 months ago

      Baseball has made many good changes. Universal DH adds more action and lessens the risk of a pitcher injury on something like base running. Eventually the pitch clock will be implemented in the majors. That helps speed up games so pitchers don’t take 3 minutes between getting the ball and getting set. This changes a very integral part of the game. Its like if hockey shootouts ended after the first team made a goal. No giving the other team an opportunity. If the first team makes it, game over.

      Reply
  125. erickohli

    2 months ago

    So dumb. Like whiffle ball when I was a kid.

    Reply
  126. desertbull

    2 months ago

    Shove that

    Reply
  127. Balzenuf

    2 months ago

    hate it

    Reply
  128. acmeants

    2 months ago

    Didn’t like this to begin with. Maybe it would be okay in the 12th inning, but definitely not the 10th.

    Reply
  129. Cobby

    2 months ago

    Next ProV1’s are used instead of baseballs after the 10th inning.

    Reply
  130. winonesooner

    2 months ago

    no, no, nooooo!

    Reply
  131. ltully789

    2 months ago

    Can we officially call the runner the “Manfred Man”?

    Reply
    • AaronSapoznik

      2 months ago

      I’m going with the “Pretty Flamingo”!

      Reply
    • basquiat

      2 months ago

      I see what you did. Gotta be a little old to get this.

      Reply
  132. jkoko

    2 months ago

    Nooooo

    Reply
  133. TomToms

    2 months ago

    How bout they just play baseball the way it was. Before all these gimics. It WAS the best sport. Don’t turn it into a clown show. Heaven forbid, you have to stay at the park! Cmon!

    Reply
  134. Chisox378

    2 months ago

    Players dont want to play more innings? I will play them if you dont want too! Please no ghost runner!

    Reply
  135. lady1959

    2 months ago

    Just no! Just play ball the way it’s intended. No more clown show baseball ⚾️

    Reply
  136. mrblue2

    2 months ago

    Stupid Stupid Stupid! Why not speed up the game by starting every batter in an 0-2 count?

    Reply
  137. dpsmith22

    2 months ago

    Terrible. But why not, the players and owners don’t care what the fans think.

    Reply
  138. bcjd

    2 months ago

    It’s more of a thought experiment than a serious proposal, but I’d be interested to see season standings calculated by run differential instead of Winn-loss records.

    That would mean the end of extra innings entirely, since a 5-5 tie just means both teams get 5 runs added to each column.

    But it also means that even in blowout games, every run scored and every run allowed still counts. No more scrubs pitching the late innings when there’s a lopsided score. No more weak-bat defensive subs coming up to the plate in the top of the 9th.

    It would mean that every play in every game played by a contender has to be their best effort. They can’t phone it in just because the win or loss is lopsided.

    Reply
  139. tominco

    2 months ago

    NO!

    Reply
  140. bobtillman

    2 months ago

    Why is it that baseball fans seem to think that Moses descended from Sinai with all the baseball rules? The NFL changes rules every year, oftentimes in very confusing ways; as Troy Aikman said, “I don’t know what pass interference is anymore; neither does anyone else” Holding calls in the NFL have become purely reliant on who the line judge is; in the NBA, everybody “travels” with impunity.

    MLB actually is the most transparent of all the sports; the rules are pretty simple. But they’re not set in stone. And MUST change with the times.

    As we’ve seen this week, player movement is one of baseball’s biggest draws; activity on this board is unquestionably off the charts; MLB MIGHT have deflated one of the NFL”s biggest weeks, free agent frenzy, with a frenzy of its own. We need MORE of this, not less. I’m with what Charley Finley said decades ago: “Make ’em ALL free agents; EVERY year”. Can you imagine the off-season chatter?????

    Folks who protest rules changes are pretty short sighted. Someone wrote a week ago: “I’m a traditionalist; playoffs should only be division winners”. Um, sorry Charly, I’m ancient, and I remember when “playoffs” in MLB meant the World Series, no qualifying rounds. There’s no “traditional” division play at all. It’s all relative.

    And it should be.

    Reply
    • mlb1225

      2 months ago

      To be fair, this is the only rule I’ve seen a lot of pushback from fans on. Just based on some of the surveys MLB Trade Rumors have run, this has been the one I’ve seen the biggest difference. Their poll on the universal DH was pretty pro-DH. 74.23% voted either for the DH or no opinion either way. Most fans wanted the playoff format to stay at 10 teams, but there was still a fair amount that wanted the playoffs expanded in some way. The second most votes in that poll were for a 12-team format. The poll they ran back in June 2020 on the ghost runner rule had an 80/20 split, with more disliking it. That is the biggest split in the rule change-related polls they’ve run over the past few years.

      I also feel most wouldn’t be opposed to the pitch clock. I’ve watched some games with it and you barely notice it. It’s actually nice because you don’t have guys waiting 2-3 minutes between getting the ball and getting set. 30-45 seconds is more than enough time to get settled and get the sign. The clock usually stops once the pitcher is set.

      Reply
      • mlb1225

        2 months ago

        TLDR: this is the first time I’ve seen this many fans dislike a rule change. Most have either been split pretty evenly or mostly for the change.

        Reply
      • SheaGoodbye

        2 months ago

        I don’t hate the idea of a pitch clock as it currently stands, but I wish it were enforced in a different manner. Some examples

        A) If a pitcher finishes a game where his average time to pitch was greater than X, he would be put on a pitch clock next game
        B) If a pitcher finishes an inning where his average time to pitch was greater than X, he would be warned. If he would have another such inning occur, he would be put on a pitch clock the rest of the game.

        If it wasn’t clear, I don’t really love the idea of it being regulated on a pitch-by-pitch basis, at least if it wouldn’t be necessary. I’d rather guys have the freedom to take a little more time on certain pitches while making up for it via faster other pitches.

        Reply
  141. VegasSDfan

    2 months ago

    Start it in the 10th, let’s end boring baseball before it proceeds to 16 innings

    Reply
    • SheaGoodbye

      2 months ago

      What exactly makes the 10th anymore boring than the 9th? Sounds like you just don’t like baseball.

      Reply
  142. Don Daddy

    2 months ago

    This is no bueno.

    Reply
  143. beyou02215

    2 months ago

    12th inning or later. And the runner should start at first, not second. A single shouldn’t win the game.

    Reply
  144. mlb1225

    2 months ago

    Literally less than 1% of extra inning games even make it past 12 innings. This is a creating a solution to something that isn’t a problem.

    Reply
  145. mlb1225

    2 months ago

    This eliminates the marathon extra inning game, the game that on average from 2011-2016 happened once every 666 games that reached extras (at least the 15th inning). This is the only rule that I’ve been adamantly against. Universal DH? Sure. Pitch clock? Ok. Starting a runner at 2nd in extras? A solution to a non-problem.

    Reply
  146. Edp007

    2 months ago

    Gimme a one nothing 15/16 inning affair anytime

    Reply
  147. winonesooner

    2 months ago

    no. no. never!

    Reply
  148. desertbull

    2 months ago

    STOP IT!!!!

    Reply
  149. Pedro Martinez’s Mango Tree

    2 months ago

    What a crock! Just determined to ruin the damn game!

    Reply
  150. acmeants

    2 months ago

    poo

    Reply
  151. lavey

    2 months ago

    Anybody bring up the fact that pitchers are tagged with a loss that is forever on their record even though they didn’t earn it? How is Boras ok with that? They should not give the pitchers a loss, just in future generations ask why is there more loses for teams than what is on the pitchers records?

    Reply
  152. mlb1225

    2 months ago

    I don’t know how many people read MLB TR, and I assume it’s grown since this, but back in June 2020, they ran a poll for readers about how they felt about the rule back then. It was an 80/20 ratio of dislike to like. Wonder how that looks now.

    Reply
    • vaderzim

      2 months ago

      This article actually had a fan opinion poll when it first dropped on Monday, which had results of 87-13 opposed to the rule. I checked an hour later, and the poll had been removed.

      Reply
    • SheaGoodbye

      2 months ago

      I’m most curious as to how the younger generation feels about this. I’m 31 and detest the idea, but a more relevant age group would be young adults and college-aged.

      And I’m going to guess MLBTR’s main readership is roughly my age+, although that’s still a pretty big—and relevant—cross-section.

      Reply
  153. vaderzim

    2 months ago

    Fans should storm the field every time a game goes to extra innings. I’d rather see ties than players playing something that isn’t Baseball. I feel like fans would’ve done that if they instituted this rule before the 90s, and MLB might’ve realized how stupid it is.

    Reply
    • SheaGoodbye

      2 months ago

      Better yet, leave before the game would be decided during a nationally televised game. How embarrassing that would be for Manfred.

      Reply
  154. DarkSide830

    2 months ago

    finding excuses

    Reply
  155. jfive

    2 months ago

    Nooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!

    Reply
  156. ctyank7

    2 months ago

    Does baseball have a death wish?

    No rule double was more disliked over the last two seasons than the ghost runner.

    It isn’t real baseball.

    Remember, while the players are the product, the FANS ARE THE SOURCE OF REVENUE. We buy the tickets, watch the telecasts and purchase the sponsors’ products. Stop alienating us. Stop it now.

    The poor overpaid players don’t like marathon games. Awww, give them a baby bottle instead of a post game beer.

    Reply
  157. as1402

    2 months ago

    Baseball is run by useful idiots of the communist. If you don’t understand this you are already too far gone.

    Reply
  158. HubcapDiamondStarHalo

    2 months ago

    They should just go for it. A ghost runner on first in the tenth, first and second if it goes eleven, and just start with the bases loaded in the twelfth. Still tied after twelve? A game of darts. If somehow that doesn’t settle things, rock-paper-scissors is the best solution.

    Reply
  159. TheLawAbides

    2 months ago

    With a DH in both leagues is this really needed? You’re not going to be depleting your bench with pinch hitting. Use your UT IF and 4th OFer as pitchers and whatever SP you want in LF

    Reply
  160. bbcalmc

    2 months ago

    Hey I know lets make the pitcher underhand the ball in extra innings, or we could make the runners run the bases on a pogo stick. … Leave baseball alone . It was perfect at one time till idiots started making changes so they could make more money

    Reply
  161. M’s is for maybe

    2 months ago

    Hate this.

    Sure, pitchers will have to take on those “extra” innings-which they always have.

    Guys get tired, and pitchers get their call up. Punches their service card, and that’s a good thing for players and the league. The more that happens, the more guy’s sitting in AAA find themselves in the show. Only so many times they can be shuffled up and down, and eventually they either have to get traded or released and other teams with leaser talent in the pitching dept. grab them.

    The talent level rises, and that should be the goal.

    The best players playing at the highest level.

    Runner on second slows down the process of players moving up and down. It has far more reaching effects on the game than just that. Players, tire and travel- it’s a battle of attrition.

    Thus, our love of the game has been because of that partly, and dingers.

    Why try and nullify the very essence of the season?

    Manfred has to go, he has no idea why people love baseball-he is more concerned with the people who could care less about it.

    Reply
  162. Indianfan

    2 months ago

    Manfred is determined to reinvent the great game of baseball. While we’re at it, why not do away with pitchers and just go with tee ball like the little guys and gals do. It would eliminate all those time-consuming balls and strike calls by umpires, who then also could be eliminated,

    Reply
  163. Redstitch108* 2

    2 months ago

    I hate this baby-ball rule. Disgusting. Leave the rules alone. Eliminate the shift instead that’s killing the batting average stat. And no bigger bases you clowns.

    Reply
  164. Ƭ̵̬̊ Player Formly Known As MousecopƬ̵̬̊

    2 months ago

    Not needed. Not wanted. Terrible Rule. I’d rather see a shoulder shrug tie game situation in the all star game. Than a man on 2nd. Anything above A-Ball needs to avoid this.

    Reply
  165. mlb1225

    2 months ago

    I’m not in the camp of “They’re ruining baseball, all these rule changes are bad for the game, etc etc etc”. Imo, the DH will benefit baseball in the long run, as will the pitch clock when that is eventually implemented. Electic strikezone, I’m not a fan of, but it’s whatever. Banning the shift, I’m against, but again, it’s whatever. Teams will find a way around it. But this is the one I’ve had a strong opinion against. It’s to prevent something that happens a 10 or less times every year, a game that lasts longer than 15 innings. This new rule isn’t going to all of a sudden bring in a new wave of fans because they despised the rare 15 inning game. No current fan is going to be more engrossed to the game because of no marathon game.

    I get what they’re trying to do; protect pitchers and not let players get burned out. On that front, I understand. I’m not going to sound slightly insensitive and say “Well you get paid millions to play”, but the point is it happens so rarely that it’s not worth making as many fans mad as it likely is going to. Imo, it shouldn’t be as much of a worry on taxing the pitching staff as it is made out to be. In today’s game, most relievers were starters, but are kept to pitch at least 2 innings. Even with the extra inning rule in place in 2021, relievers tossed 18212.2 innings, the second most of all time, more than in 2018, and just 53 innings short from 2019.

    Reply
    • SheaGoodbye

      2 months ago

      They’re making this rule change precisely because they know that while a majority of fans will not be happy with its reinstatement, it won’t make them watch any fewer games live or on TV. Otherwise, there’s no way they would risk the potential backlash.

      I, too, don’t mind a majority of the rule changes and understand their necessity in the current sports landscape. What I do mind is:

      a) rule changes that would be near-universally disliked by fans, including this one
      b) the fact that MLB has never bothered to try and compromise on any of its proposals.

      Three-batter rule. Banning the shift. Ghost runner. I’m fine with all of those being implemented to an extent, but I don’t understand why they’ve been considered all or nothing propositions.

      Three-batter rule: Allow each team a single exception each game
      Banning the shift: Allow each team to shift against three batters in a game
      Ghost runner: Use it starting in the 12th or 13th inning.

      All of the above could’ve been enacted as a compromise between the fans, the players, and MLB while achieving their core goals.. It would’ve also served to increase strategy in a game that, let’s face it, doesn’t offer that much of it today relative to the other major sports.

      But this is what happens when you have what would amount to a monopoly. With no other alternatives in terms of talent, popularity, and funding, there is little penalty in pursuing these types of changes. And most fans will probably get used to them eventually, if they haven’t already. There is always a new normal.

      Reply
  166. GarryHarris

    2 months ago

    By the time extra innings occur, the league made all the money they’re going to make on the game. There’s no advantage to the players and none to the owners. Screw the game and its fans.

    To me, this is something like the changes driven by accountants that the US Automakers made in the 1970s-1980s. The result is that they ruined their reputation forever and opened the doors wide open for competitors.

    Reply
  167. forwhomjoshbelltolled

    2 months ago

    Anytime a game is tied after 9 innings, just have each team’s starting pitcher meet at the mound with the umpire and play a game of Yahtzee to decide the winner.

    No less stupid.

    Reply
    • smuzqwpdmx

      2 months ago

      You’re missing the real revenue opportunity here. Have the extra innings simulated (sans ghosts) on the jumbotron using MLB The Show or any other video game that pays to be featured. That way fans can watch a proper extra inning game, the league can make money, and the poor little relievers don’t have to wear out their arms.

      Reply
  168. Fred McGriff

    2 months ago

    Play three extra innings, and then if it’s locked then use it, or just have draws like they do in Japan if scores are locked after 12 so that Joe Public can get the bus or train home.

    I am so frustrated with some sports being made softer, and in this case extra innings being a lottery, baseball & tennis are prime examples-they ruined the Davis Cup, they’ve ruined 5th set advantage in Grand Slams(now first to 10 when scores are locked 6-6), and people want to say football played with the feet is a ‘soft sport’. How laughable. It’s because people’s attention spans have become smaller, along with that thing in their skulls.

    Reply
    • ac000000

      2 months ago

      I like that idea

      Reply
  169. bobtillman

    2 months ago

    The real debate here is between those who want to save pitching staffs and those who realize that extra innings are fertile ground for gaming revenue. Extra innings are the epitome of strategy (bunt, don’t bunt; pitching changes, etc.). I can see the fans wildly texting their choices to their computer bookmakers now.

    And ownership getting more revenue, none of which of course the players will see for the next 5 years because they caved with the new CBA. So I think you’ll see its “temporary” reinstatement, and of course its eventual permanence.

    Reply
  170. ac000000

    2 months ago

    Please no.

    Reply
  171. mario crosby

    2 months ago

    With the new CBA Major League baseball will continue its slow slide to being irrelevant. The problem isn’t the game, it’s the lack of a salary cap and floor and owners like Bob Nutting in Pittsburgh who only want to make huge profits without any desire to field a winning team.

    Reply
  172. SCOTTG3

    2 months ago

    MLB needs to wise up and realize a tie is a real option and a real result as proven in Football, College football, professional soccer, Japaneese pro baseball ect…
    Just give teams until the 13th inning to decide it WITHOUT ANY BS GHOST RUNNERS.
    A tie is worth something. It’s more than a L and less than a W.
    Knowing when the finish line is coming also helps managers manage and fuels fan excitement that last inning.

    Reply
  173. SpendNuttinWinNuttin

    2 months ago

    Back to playing wiffle ball if looks like

    Reply
  174. twentyfivemanroster

    2 months ago

    Boooo

    Reply
  175. jintman

    2 months ago

    Please Don’t!

    Reply
  176. Cantfixstupid

    2 months ago

    “Stupid is as Stupid does” not that I will be going to many games this year as is after the Lockout which was all on Owners but the free base runners is just silly. Do Tie games during regular season instead, SMH.

    This sport league is destined to Die with the moves like this. My subscription here at MTBR, I will be turning off shortly as the league has jumped the shark ……

    Reply
  177. Sherm623

    2 months ago

    I think they are using the wrong name.

    It’s not a ghost runner. When we were kids, ghost runners happened because we didn’t have enough players. If you were on base and had to bat again (small teams) you called “ghost runner” for your base. We all knew the rules – decided ahead of time – how many bases the ghost runner could advance on any potential hit. Because he wasn’t really THERE, we called him a ghost.

    Now MLB wants to put a runner (a real person) out there and call it a ghost runner. Stupid on several levels. Call it something else.

    Also, I’d like to see the guy who made the last out HAVE to run. Not allowed to PR for him. There should be no honor in making outs. You don’t want to be the guy out there? Don’t make that last out.

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