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Cardinals Place Yadier Molina On IL With Knee Soreness

By Darragh McDonald | June 16, 2022 at 8:35pm CDT

The Cardinals are planning to place catcher Yadier Molina on the injured list tomorrow, reports Katie Woo of The Athletic. Molina has been battling knee soreness this year and will be sidelined for “at least a few weeks.” Catching prospect Ivan Herrera will be recalled to take his place on the active roster.

Molina, 39, is a career-long Cardinal, having been drafted by the team in the year 2000. In August of last year, he and the team agreed to a one-year, $10MM extension, with Molina announcing the next day that 2022 would be his final season. It hasn’t exactly been the dream season that he and the club likely hoped for, as he has slumped to a .213/.225/.294 batting line on the campaign so far. That amounts to a wRC+ of just 47, though it seems quite likely that the knee issues are having an impact on that, as Woo reports that he’s been dealing with this soreness all year.

According to the report, Molina received multiple cortisone shots last weekend to try and quell the soreness. While the club wanted a 48-hour grace period to let the shots take effect, Molina evidently lobbied his way out of the confines of that timetable. He then caught games on Tuesday and Wednesday this week, though apparently the issue hasn’t abated enough for him to continue playing.

With Molina on the shelf, the Cardinals will now turn to a couple of other options for catching duties, both of which come with unknowns. Andrew Knizner has formed the other part of the club’s catching tandem this year, though hasn’t impressed much, producing a .198/.283/.257 line, 63 wRC+. Woo spoke to Cardinals manager Oli Marmol about Knizner’s disappointing results so far, despite getting more playing time with Molina’s knee issues. “When you’re backing up Yadi in the previous years, that’s tough,” Marmol said. “Now that (Knizner) is actually in there three times a week, four times a week, the expectations are no longer ‘trying to find my timing.’ You’re getting a real opportunity, so the expectations are different. He knows that. Now, he’s just got to get going.”

Joining Knizner on the roster will be Herrera, who is considered by many to be one of the top 100 prospects in baseball by FanGraphs, Keith Law of The Athletic and Kiley McDaniel of ESPN. He was briefly called up to the big leagues earlier this year when Molina went on the bereavement list, but got into just one game and didn’t make a plate appearance. Apart from that, he’s spent the year in Triple-A, putting up an impressive .291/.388/.436 line for a 125 wRC+. He’ll now get a proper chance to see if he can carry his skills over to the majors, though it’s quite common for prospects to struggle in their first tastes of major league action, even the highly-regarded ones.

This situation now presents a big unknown for the Cardinals that will need to be resolved in the coming weeks. The club is currently atop the NL Central division standings with a 37-28 record, though it’s far from a secure perch. They are just a game and a half ahead of a Brewers team that is one game behind the Giants for the final Wild Card spot, coming into tonight. With the trade deadline now just six weeks away, the Cards will have to decide if their in-house options are sufficient enough to carry them through the final few months of the season. Of course, much of that will depend on how Molina’s knees recover and how Knizner and Herrera fare over the next stretch of play, though if none of that trio seem capable of taking the job, it’s possible the Cards will have to look for outside help.

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  1. Rsox

    10 months ago

    Yadi won’t be making the trip to Fenway this weekend kind of sucks, especially with Wacha vs Wainwright for the first game

    Reply
    • Lloyd Emerson

      10 months ago

      Maybe not, but he’ll be making the trip to Cooperstown eventually.

      Reply
      • DarkSide830

        10 months ago

        nope

        Reply
        • Dotnet22

          10 months ago

          Yes he will.

        • Hippyripper

          10 months ago

          Anyone who says Yadier Molina isn’t a Hall of Fame catcher either hasn’t been paying attention since 2004, or doesn’t know how many gold gloves and platinum gloves he’s won? He never did win a MVP award, but that’s not due to lack of talent. I believe Ivan Herrera will succeed him. Yadier Molina is a legend

        • Fred McGriff HR

          10 months ago

          @HippyRipper Or maybe their knowledge of baseball is limited, or it’s all of the things you said + what I said.

      • JimmyForum

        10 months ago

        Key word, eventually. Veterans committee. Until then we’ll get his usual rants about baseball being racist and how he’s the best C of all time garbage.

        Reply
      • belkiolle

        9 months ago

        Wouldn’t shock me to see him go in first ballot with Albert honestly.

        Reply
  2. stan lee the manly

    10 months ago

    Really, really hope this is a minimal stay. It would be a huge disappointment if him and Waino don’t get the chance to break the starts record

    Reply
  3. GeronimoSon

    10 months ago

    Could be a way to give Yadi some rest.. while showcasing Ivan Herrera for the rest of MLB.. If a starter is to be had.. the Red Birds could considered Herrera as the headliner..

    Reply
    • gbs42

      10 months ago

      Zero chance of trading Herrera. He’s their catcher of the future.

      Reply
      • jdgoat

        10 months ago

        While that may be true, Carson Kelly and Andrew Knizner were both at one point their long term catchers of the future. I wouldn’t be slotting Herrera to be taking over Molina’s spot for the long run quite yet.

        Reply
        • gbs42

          10 months ago

          Herrera may not end up winning the role, but he’ll be given the opportunity.

        • Cosmo2

          10 months ago

          But this time Molina really is retiring isn’t he? They need to hold on to their catching prospect.

        • notnamed

          10 months ago

          marmol is a puppet

        • themed

          10 months ago

          Marmol is doing a great job. Your a puppet!

        • saluelthpops

          10 months ago

          @notnamed, I think most will write this comment off as trolling, but I’m curious as to whether there really is something to this. I’ve wondered from the beginning if Marmol was simply put in this position because Mo was tired of dealing with strong-willed, experienced managers. This is no knock on Marmol’s abilities at all because he’s gotten results.

        • 17dizzy

          10 months ago

          Marmol is questionable at the best to this point. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, has hasn’t had much experience in handling a pitching staff. He definitely has had his screw ups there!

          I’m still hacked the way he disciplined Bader for not running out a sure out ground out. Like Arenaldo occasionally does. (Wonder why he hasn’t gotten the same discipline?)

    • cards81

      10 months ago

      Lol you want them to trade their future catcher…they are not trading for a starter….they have Flaherty, Mikolas, Waino, Hudson and Matz…with Liberatore, woodford, Pallenta and Oviedo to spot start…I wish cardinals fans would get over this we need a starter thing

      Reply
      • GeronimoSon

        10 months ago

        Doesn’t have to be a starter.,.. could be a shortstop.. using Herrera as the headliner.. or Knizner?..

        Reply
        • gbs42

          10 months ago

          Herrera is NOT being traded.

        • @budselig6969

          10 months ago

          The infield is great. SS is definitely not a need. Have you been watching?

        • Rsox

          10 months ago

          Knizner couldn’t headline a trade for a player to be named later

        • belkiolle

          9 months ago

          DeJong is tearing up Memphis the last month. I doubt they’re trading for a SS either.

  4. birdsfan415

    10 months ago

    Waino/Yadi tandem won’t extend the record too much further 🙁

    Reply
  5. Mikehoncho69

    10 months ago

    Most overrated player of all time

    Reply
    • gbs42

      10 months ago

      Most inaccurate comment of all time

      Reply
    • earmbrister

      10 months ago

      A career OPS+ of 98, yet Cards fans insist he’s a HOFr.

      For the beginners out there, an OPS+ of 100 is AVERAGE.

      Yes, a good catcher who’s an average hitter is a plus. However, it doesn’t get you in the HOF.

      Reply
      • earmbrister

        10 months ago

        My mistake. Molina has a career OPS+ of 96.

        I guess I overrated him also.

        Reply
        • Lanidrac

          10 months ago

          Yeah, and Ozzie Smith had career OPS+ of 87.

        • Cosmo2

          10 months ago

          Smith has over 30 more WAR than Molina. A lot of room to criticize the stat on that one though. Seems to way undervalue the catching position while overrating SS.

      • GareBear

        10 months ago

        Average career batting with arguably the best defensive catcher at the most demanding position in the sport. Add to the fact that he is league average for a position that, in the modern age, is a offensive black hole. Plus intangibles, leadership, game calling, yeah he makes it in the hall

        Reply
        • Mikehoncho69

          10 months ago

          His defense is extremely overrated.

        • DonnyElementary

          10 months ago

          Probably gets in, but he deserves to wait until after Posey and Mauer are inducted. And it would be good to see Freehan and Munson get in, too.
          Yadi will probably complain if he doesn’t get in first ballot.

        • notnamed

          10 months ago

          intangibles don’t have a stat line

        • themed

          10 months ago

          He’s the best of all time!

        • themed

          10 months ago

          He will be inducted with his good buddy Albert Puhols 1st Ballot. Book it!

        • stan lee the manly

          10 months ago

          You clearly just started watching baseball Mike. Yadi we Molina is rated by Fangraphs DEF stat as the best defender in the history of Major League Baseball. At any position. Passed fellow Cardinal Ozzie Smith to take that top spot. Not sure how you can overrate literally the best there ever was.

        • DonnyElementary

          10 months ago

          Can’t really count Yadi the best because Fangraphs tacked on all his framing runs. Catchers that weren’t playing in the last dozen years get zero credit for framing. But Russell Martin, Brian McCann, and Yadi shoot up the fWAR list because they get extra credit.

        • Yankee Clipper

          10 months ago

          Ah, excellent point Donny! I wonder how that would’ve impacted Thurman who is already at 46 WAR, or Yogi, Bench, etc.

        • 17dizzy

          10 months ago

          No he won’t. He’ll take things as they come. If the Hall is in his future he will be honored at any point it comes.

        • stan lee the manly

          10 months ago

          Framing is not included in the DEF stat.

        • DonnyElementary

          10 months ago

          I would guess framing is included in Def when Russell Martin is ranked 7th all-time and Brian McCann is ranked 10th. They are the two with more framing runs than Yadi.

        • dr. remulak

          10 months ago

          If Yadi is HOF, then open the door for others.

          Right, Donny, it has taken 2184 games for Yadi to amass 42.0 WAR

          Compare with:
          Posada 42.7 in 1829
          Munson 46.1 in 1423
          Freehan 44.8 in 1774
          Kendall 41.7 in 2085

          Plus, much of Yadi’s WAR is via the more subjective defensive side.

        • stan lee the manly

          10 months ago

          Well, your guess is wrong, look up the stat. It does not include framing in how it is calculated.

        • stan lee the manly

          10 months ago

          None of these guys weren’t particularly good catchers, but they could hit. It’s why they aren’t hall of famers, there are tons of better hitters than these guys when you compare with the rest of the positions. Yadi is the best of the best as a catcher, which is much more unique. Hitting catchers don’t fit that category unless they can outhit the entire rest of the field, not just the position.

        • DonnyElementary

          10 months ago

          That glossary entry for Def is from 2014. It just says fielding runs above average plus positional adjustment.

          For catchers, Fangraphs added framing to its WAR calculation in 2019 which includes fielding runs above average. In the comments section of the framing article, David Appleman admitted that career comparisons for catcher are not apples-to-apples due to inclusiin of framing runs.

        • DonnyElementary

          10 months ago

          https://blogs.fangraphs.com/war-update-catcher-framing/

        • belkiolle

          9 months ago

          Mauer shouldn’t even be in at all He was only a catcher for 60% of his career at bats. His numbers as a 1B/DH aren’t anywhere close to Hall of Fame worthy.

          Posey should be in and he’ll be a good litmus test the year before Yadi is eligible. If Posey goes in 1st ballot so will Yadi.

      • cards81

        10 months ago

        @earmbrister..You must be the beginner here…look at all the records he is breaking this year for catchers lol…it’s funny you being condescending but actually you look like the moron

        Reply
    • themed

      10 months ago

      A no doubt 1st ballot Hall of Famer!

      Reply
    • Yankee Clipper

      10 months ago

      Okay, for those citing Yadi’s offense as sub-par, thus not deserving of HOF candidacy, I remind you that you are comparing him to the average position player/DH. His OPS+ of 96 is [well above average] for his position, which is what matters, especially considering his defensive prowess.

      In terms of his defense, to say it is overrated is confounding. I am a diehard Yankees fan, so I have no dog in this fight.

      Reply
      • DonnyElementary

        10 months ago

        Themed will be complaining when Yadi doesn’t make it in first ballot, too.

        Reply
      • cards81

        10 months ago

        @yankeeclipper…people just want to argue and really have no clue so just ignore them…everyone I have ever heard who knows baseball says he is a sure HOF…but let these idiots make a fool of themselves

        Reply
        • Yankee Clipper

          10 months ago

          Cards81: Man, I am not sure how anyone can honestly say the guy sucks. It’s cool though that he just passed Pudge for most put-outs, man. That’s quite an achievement. Pudge was such a great catcher for so long.

          You guys have one heck of a team, but Goldie is on another level. That guy is an absolute monster at the plate. Roughly .350 with 16HRs already? And he doesn’t look like he’s slowing down at all either. The guy is just awesome.

        • cards81

          10 months ago

          Thanks @yankeeClipper…I’m hoping for a yankee- cardinals WS…the most winning organizations of both leagues…the cardinals need Flaherty to come back to form and maybe add a bullpen arm at the deadline…but if they do that and make the playoffs they have every bit of a chance than any other team…they have great depth and it’s only getting better…Cardinals fans are excited about Herrera and Walker…that’s not even mentioning Winn…not to mention what Gorman, Liberatore and Donovan have already done…the Cardinals have a Bright future and will be continuing their winning ways far into the future

        • Yankee Clipper

          10 months ago

          Yeah, that would be amazing for baseball! Two outstanding organizations in the WS?! Heck yeah.

          As far as your youth – they’re impressive. Herrera is going to be exciting to see, but I think I’ve been most impressed with Donovan this year, just because his bat-to-ball skills have been so good so far. Gorman obviously has some legit power….yeah, lots of guys to be excited about.

          I’m curious to see how they rotate Gorman/Donovan/Walker in between Arenado & Edman – what a great problem to have when they are all up, right?

          Well, good luck, Cards, hopefully Flaherty can stay healthy from here on out because that would be huge for your rotation too!

        • themed

          10 months ago

          I’m guessing it’s jealous cub fans saying he sucks. They know all about sucking.

      • dr. remulak

        10 months ago

        If Yadi is HOF, then open the door for others.

        It has taken 2184 games for Yadi to amass 42.0 WAR

        Compare with:
        Posada 42.7 in 1829
        Munson 46.1 in 1423
        Freehan 44.8 in 1774
        Kendall 41.7 in 2085

        Plus, much of Yadi’s WAR is via the more subjective defensive side.

        Reply
        • Lanidrac

          10 months ago

          Longevity is also a factor, which is why Munson still isn’t in the Hall.

        • DonnyElementary

          9 months ago

          I read this in Gilbert Gottfried’s voice.

        • belkiolle

          9 months ago

          How about you use fangraphs WAR which actually includes framing and catcher defense instead of using B-Ref which doesn’t consider defense much at all.

          55.7 WAR all time for Yadi which is 10th overall.

          He’s controlled the running game in a way that no other catcher ever has. Bill James thinks he’s likely worth another 200-300 runs over his career because that impact is immeasurable right now. That’s another 15-20 WAR by itself.

  6. notnamed

    10 months ago

    marmol has no respect for knizner, pinch hits for him consistently, then has to use molina

    Reply
    • hollidayfever

      10 months ago

      Because he’s been terrible on both defense and offense. He’s like the worst in MLB at framing since entering the league and his once promising looking bat in the minors has devolved into straight garbage. He’s 27 already and is entering Tony Cruz territory.

      Reply
      • notnamed

        10 months ago

        you can’t produce if not given the chance in key situations

        Reply
        • Cosmo2

          10 months ago

          You also can’t produce if you can’t hit. That’s Knizner’s problem. Do you really need to see him fail in big spots in order to consider this?

        • Lanidrac

          10 months ago

          That would be ideal for his development, but a contending team can’t risk losing ballgames to afford him those opportunities. If he wants more playing time, then he needs to produce with the chances that he does get.

  7. DarkSide830

    10 months ago

    Man I can’t wait for the tears in a few years when Yadi doesn’t get in 1st ballot. Mauer was better and might not get in, yet Yadi is 1st ballot. cap season out here in full force.

    Reply
    • cards81

      10 months ago

      Might not be 1st ballot but definitely getting in…don’t be jealous just appreciate his game

      Reply
    • Hippyripper

      10 months ago

      Mauers career was a flash in the pan comparatively. Came into the league after and retired much before Yadier Molina who keeps breaking historical records like Most put outs by a catcher. He for sure is a hall of famer catcher, the best defensive catcher to ever play the game deserving of first ballot honors, will it happen, not up to me or you, if you don’t want it to happen best pull your best Joe Morgan to Barry Bonds impersonation and write the writers who vote on it

      Reply
    • Dotnet22

      10 months ago

      Yeah ok…genius.

      Reply
    • Yankee Clipper

      10 months ago

      DarkSide: Do you believe he’s not getting voted in at all? Or just not 1st ballot? If not, why? Just curious as to your primary reasoning.

      I think he’s a HOF candidate because of his defensive acumen, primarily. He won the platinum glove four times. But, I also believe Thurman Munson deserves to be in the HOF even though he only had 10 years (but accumulated 46 WAR still!). Jorge Posada is sitting right about where Yadi is in WAR also….

      Reply
      • DarkSide830

        9 months ago

        You stated exactly why Yadi is borderline. Posada, for example, was arguably a better player and was bounced on the 1st ballot. Same case for Varitek, who was a little less of a defender and played for a few years less, but he only got a few votes. AJ Pierzynski is another longevity case with a great bat who compares well from BBREF’s perspective, and he was also just .5%. Maybe Yadi is better than these guys, but how much so? The issue is the Hall is extremely hard on catchers historically – only two went 1st ballot, and there are only 19 total. I think there’s no way Yadi falls of the ballot and he certainly could get in in 10, I just think it’s far from certain as many say. I would say he seems a lock to get in eventually though, even over Mauer or Posey – one of the committes should put him in. I just don’t think his year-to-year numbers are enough to convince 75% of voters.

        Reply
        • belkiolle

          9 months ago

          Posada has 40 career WAR. Yadi has 55 (75 if you believe Bill James is accurate on his assessment of how many wins Yadi’s run game suppression is worth).

          Posada was certainly a better hitter but he wasn’t anywhere close to the all around catcher that Yadi is.

        • belkiolle

          9 months ago

          BREF WAR doesn’t include any advanced catcher metrics at all so it basically doesn’t give Yadi credit for any of the things he was great at. Why would you use it to compare catchers?

    • cards1985

      10 months ago

      No way Mauer was better. Idiotic statement.

      Reply
    • belkiolle

      9 months ago

      Mauer stopped catching full time after 2010. He might be in the discussion if he hadn’t played 1B for 40% of his career.

      He shouldn’t even make the Hall though he probably will.

      Reply
  8. Jmrinaz

    10 months ago

    Damn it, Yadier. I just got a cortisone shot in my own knee two weeks ago and the orthopedic surgeon told me directly it takes up to 5 days to take effect. Why the hell is he in the line up 2 days later just to be out now several weeks?

    Reply
  9. JimmyForum

    10 months ago

    This is just a way for that cheater to get handicap license plates so he can park wherever he wants.

    Reply
  10. woodguy

    10 months ago

    Could trade for Wilson Contrera

    Reply
  11. saluelthpops

    10 months ago

    I’m not a stats guy, but there has to be a way to compare Yadi to Jeter as far as their careers as compared to other players at their position and in their era.

    I grew up watching Jeter and never felt like I was watching a hall of famer from a pure talent standpoint. He was good, but when someone talked about what made him great it was always, “leadership, presence, competitiveness, consistency, winning.” That seems to be the same with Yadi. Yadi’s teams didn’t win near as much in terms of championships but we’re talking about someone with similar intangibles. Jeter’s intangibles made him a first-ballot HOF’er and Yadi’s Will too.

    Reply
    • Chris from NJ

      10 months ago

      I’m sorry but I totally disagree. I watched Jeter’s entire career as well and the only comparison you can make is that they played their whole career with the same team. Early in Jeter’s career he was an offensive force and a very good defender early on. Yadi has been a great defender and a class act but nowhere near Jeter in any way shape or form. And this comes from a Met fan. Yadi had that homer off Heilman but it certainly wasn’t the flip play or the Mr November home run. Apples and oranges.

      Reply
      • belkiolle

        9 months ago

        Yadi is the best defensive player ever, no matter the position. He passed Ozzie in defensive value last season.

        Jeter is the worst defensive short stop of all time. Jeter was never a good defender. Heck most of the time he wasn’t even average.

        Reply
  12. dr. remulak

    10 months ago

    If Yadi is HOF, then open the door for others.

    It has taken 2184 games for Yadi to amass 42.0 WAR

    Compare with:
    Posada 42.7 in 1829
    Munson 46.1 in 1423
    Freehan 44.8 in 1774
    Kendall 41.7 in 2085

    Plus, much of Yadi’s WAR is via the more subjective defensive side.

    Reply
    • mike127

      10 months ago

      Harold Baines’ election to the Hall of Fame completely changed the bar. It took him 22 seasons, 2830 games to “amass” a career WAR of 38.8. Dang Placido Polanco is a shade under 42.

      All that aside—-Yadi, by this generation, is a Hall of Famer…..at the very top or very near for a solid 10+ years.

      Reply
      • dr. remulak

        10 months ago

        You might have noticed that I was comparing catchers. At a minimum, Munson, Posada & Freehan are more HOF-worthy than Mr. 96 OPS+ and 42 WAR compiled — yes, compiled — over 700, 300 and 400 more games, respectively, than the three more worthy HOF catchers.

        Reply
        • mike127

          10 months ago

          Of course I did—just was pointing out some of the inequities of the Hall as Baines was elected in by the senile committee—which just happened to be championed by Jerry Reinsdorf and Tony laRussa when he got in.

          The only question hanging over Yadi will be which is longer: his acceptance speech or his time to first on a ground out to short.

      • Cosmo2

        10 months ago

        Baines did not change the bar. It was a mistake and everyone knows it. Otherwise everyone gets in. Baines’ selection was egregious.

        Reply
  13. mitchladd

    10 months ago

    I wonder how much of this is saving his knees for the second half while getting Herrera a look while he’s hitting well. and Yadi’s struggling.

    Reply
  14. Chris from NJ

    10 months ago

    I’m sorry but I totally disagree. I watched Jeter’s entire career as well and the only comparison you can make is that they played their whole career with the same team. Early in Jeter’s career he was an offensive force and a very good defender early on. Yadi has been a great defender and a class act but nowhere near Jeter in any way shape or form. And this comes from a Met fan. Yadi had that homer off Heilman but it certainly wasn’t the flip play or the Mr November home run. Apples and oranges.

    Reply
  15. msqboxer

    10 months ago

    Sometimes a player gets to the HOF, because they get some extra votes from writers due to character, longevity and contribution to the game along with statistics that are on the fringe of qualifying. Someone like Yadi the stats don’t exactly measure up offensively, but defensively most pale in comparison. An easy argument could be made that the Cardinals would not have won any WS championships without Yadi.

    Reply
    • Cosmo2

      9 months ago

      Cardinals don’t win it all without David Freese but he ain’t getting in.

      Reply
  16. themed

    10 months ago

    He’s a sure fire 1st ballot Hall of Famer! No questions ask. Sit back and enjoy the ride!

    Reply

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