Of course they will but Brewers couldn't wait him out. They signed him to get high leverage outs and he wasn't doing it. It's the same scenario as with Neftali Feliz last year. They ate some money by releasing him in June also.
When you build a bullpen every year, it's almost certain that one or two moves won't work out. This one didn't.
Agree and disagree. I don't think the Phillies will trade anything of note for him and if the Orioles insist on an elite piece in return they will need to look elsewhere this year. Klentak seems invested in his strategic plan. It was a plan that never included Arrieta which made it like pulling teeth to get them to sign Jake this year. That said I don't think any other team will be able to grant Machado an everyday SS role and the massive amount of money that he wants this offseason. He'll be a Phillie in 2019.
The real Mets killer combo is actually Mutt and Jeff. Is it possible that these uncommitted and incompetent owners can take this team which has been the “laughing stock of baseball” for many decades, to a new low water mark?
The Mets killer combo is Mutt and Jeff. Is it possible that a franchise that has by and large been the laughing stock of baseball for many decades is not hitting a new low water mark?
Braves would be willing to a deal for Zack Wheeler. He is a Dallas, Georgia Native. I could see swapping a MLB ready prospect for him like Fried or Sims plus another. The Braves would use Wheeler in the pen, maybe groom him for closer. Could advance the prospect quality to Koby Allard if Conforto or Nimmo would be included in the deal.
The Brewers have been real fun to follow these last two years and even going back to to the early Fielder years. I agree with Sogard and Franklin, not too optimistic on Miller and holding out hope for Miley but even if we drop those four, we don't have room for all of the other six. Wren and Orf seem to be the biggest disappointments in terms Sterns giving them a chance. The others have been given a chance elsewhere and all seem like injury insurance/AAA depth which is a great advantage to have for an organization. I sorta hope we don't need Burns or Hiura until next year. I am guessing they still need developing. Don't know really anything about Griep and Olczak. Who is Trevor Williams?
I think you forgot about Germa'n and Loaisiga ! The Yankees are not going to trade their kids for either Degrom or Syndergaard for that price. Besides, the Yankees will be dealing come free agent signing as they're under the cap.
A true grinder. $12mm is not a bad lifetime for most people and he made enough friends to get a coaching gig. His pension will be more than 98% of Americans earn in a year. For a guy who road a raft to the usa, pretty much a role model.
Garcia's been bad but the contract was worse. Could have given 3 vets minor league deals to compete for his spot with incentives rather than blow $8mil with a $2-mil buyout. I know, innings eater. And he delivers gifts to hitters.
Yes to your question about Maile. A lot of people thought he could keep it up. Unreal. Nothing against Maile but c'mon Jays fans...
I am fully aware of what Dayton Moore‘s job is and so is he. Since you probably don’t live in Kansas City or follow the Royals very closely, you are probably not aware that Dayton Moore is a very different type of general manager. Some of your baseball fans out there perhaps know what I’m talking about. He doesn’t operate like a typical general manager, right or wrong he simply cares more about his players lives off the field as much or more than he does on the field.
Not all of us are that way. Most of us support andy and klentak and we're less bitter than usual at this time because the Eagles and Sixers are good again and the Phillies are better than we thought.
Not all of us are that way. Most of us support andy and klentak and we're less bitter than usual at this time because the Eagles and Sixers are good again and the Phillies are better than we thought.
I found it hilarious that the very same sentence that says his days as a top relief arm "are long since past" also notes he lead the league in saves last year. I love this site, Jeff, but that was an awkward summary.
Hmmm. Last I looked, they seem to still be in first place, with no competition. They can afford to wait until the deadline and acquire a few rentals cheap then.
bcap - the team offense has five star players in Betts, Martinez, Benintendi, Moreland and Bogaerts. It has a .230 hitter at 3B, no Peddy, two catchers that don't hit and Bradley batting under .200 most of the time. My definition of a potent line-up is 9 hitters that are hitting over .250 with at least 4 star players. The top end of our line-up qualifies as potent, 3B, C, CF and 2B are not. I'm not sure what a player fitting well on a team means, it could mean he's got good chemistry, he bats in the right place (last) or many other things. To me 5 stars and 4 below average players don't suggest potent or a good fit but maybe I'm being too hard on them. Have you looked at the other elite teams in the league? The Astros and Yankees don't have as big a gap between their top and bottom players. Seattle has closed their gap with Span filling in for Cano. The Indians might be similar to us but wouldn't it be nice if we compared better to Houston and New York? We are fortunate to have better starting pitchers than NY but without any changes it's hard to see how we would beat the Astros, especially if Cora is content to finish in the first wildcard spot.
Bruin012 - I get it you are a Red Sox fan but don't be dilusional, try to look objectively at our players. Devers has been all hype, he cost us another game last night with his inability to field simple ground balls, he homered but his average is terrible, he didn't play much above AA and he needed to and you can't keep saying he is improving because making one good play and one bad play in a game should put you in the minors. JBJ is great defensively and an offensive liability and everyone knows that. Chavis is a solid 3B but isn't in the mix for playing at the MLB level because he's got flaws like Devers. Groome hasn't proven anything and Casis can be the player to be named later if there is a rule about trading him before the end of the season. This suggestion is a quantity for quality trade. The Mets need quantity but if I were the Mets I wouldn't do this trade. You always want the best player in the trade and that's DeGrom by a LONG SHOT!! Not even close to EROD.
Do you remember a couple of years ago we traded a can't miss SP for Pomerantz and how did he turn out? Yep, so far he has missed!! The Red Sox want to win now not hope to win someday. You've got to take off your Red Sox hat when you think about trades. Both sides need to benefit. The Red Sox would get a top 5 SP comparable to Sale, the Mets would get potential out of EROD and DEVERS, an outside chance at a starter with Chavis, a late inning defensive centerfielder who can't hit and possibly a decent young SP if he can stay healthy and our first round pick. It fills up their farm system with guys better than what they have now and it rids the Red Sox of players that shouldn't be starters because they aren't as good as the other starters. If we were rebuilding right now guys like Devers could be given time to see if he can get better but good teams have their potential stars do it in the minors first. He was over-rated in the minors because he was having ONE hot season. Those types of mistakes happen all the time. The Yankees had a star player named Rutherford who had ONE hot season. The next year he didn't and he was sent packing to Chicago. Devers had a hot year. Now he's having a bad year. The Red Sox shouldn't be starting hitters batting under .250 unless they are exceptional at something else. He's not. He's a below average fielder, he isn't fast, his arm is inconsistent throwing across the infield. Too many have tasted the cool aid on this guy. Look at his numbers. That's what he is this year, a .230 hitter, bad defender with an inconsistent arm. That sounds like a AAA or AA player to me. We have a huge hole and Sale more than anybody has been paying for his lack of skills.
By the way, If we could throw Cora in the deal I'd do it in a heartbeat.
All the trades in the world won't fix a broken manager. Cora cost us another game tonight and doesn't seem to be trying to win. Someone needs to tell him that the MLB doesn't give out participation trophies so playing guys like Swihart, Johnson and others with minor league talent won't win games. Why not start the 8th with Kelly? Don Zimmer could have figured that one out and he was clueless as a manager.
If Devers fields his position the first rally never happens. It's not ok in the MLB to have a 3B that can't charge a ball and throw guys out regularly. I know our announcers rave when he gets one then they don't say much when he misses the next two. We need a 3B and we need a coach. Step out of your Red Sox gear and look objectively. We have an excellent team with only a few holes. We need to fill those holes before we are so far behind we are guaranteed a 1 game playoff.
Every game I watch I'm waiting for Cora to either screw up the line-up by batting Bogaerts 3rd so Martinez can lead off the inning multiple times or rest guys that should be playing. If he starts the best 8 players then I wait for his first bonehead pitching change. I'm sure someone must be providing him with stats on how good and how bad his relievers are. Shouldn't he use those stats to give us the best possible chance? He is totally over his head and based on his performance thus far, he should have spent a year or two in the minors with Devers!!
I'm trying to stay optimistic about our chances but it's hard to when the same mistakes keep being repeated. 1 out of 10 mis-hit balls down third will be fielded and thrown accurately. At least 2 of the 10 will be caught and thrown away. We have seen this yet we keep sending Devers out to play 3B. For the last two weeks we've not used our standard 7th and 8th inning relief guys, we've been experimenting and losing games because of it. Good coaches and good systems don't allow that to happen.
Last comment on my trade suggestion... if DeGrom doesn't go to us but is traded like Verlander last year, would it surprise you if he landed on a team we might have to play in the playoffs? What if he goes to Seattle, Houston, the Yankees or Cleveland and Cora gets us to finish in the first wild card slot, wouldn't it drive you crazy to know we could have had him like Verlander last year? It would me!!
Hey if that is true that means one million up votes is worth 25 cents in N.Y. with our $2,75 fares. They probably just give you a voucher to mail in and you end up paying more for the stamp.
I never said the Stanton trade had anything to do with Cole, just he was not needed and costs too much both now and especially in the future, no matter how minimal the cost in prospects. Homers try to justify anyway they can. Machado is better and younger.
Yes that would be me . I love talking about the Brewers and what possibilities we could do to make the team better. in all honesty I don't think they need to do many trades to bring players in. I like a lot of the young guys in our system. I wish our roster could be more. Guys I feel need to be off the 40 man is Sogard, Franklin, Miller and honestly don't think we need Miley. Now if we aren't going to give Orf, Bettencourt, Archer, Wilkerson, Wren, Broxton a chance would like to see them get a chance some place. So far I do believe that Corbin, Derby, Nottingham, Erceg, Trevor Williams, Griep,Olczak and Huira have so far earned a call up in September
The Orioles are NOT in the early stages of a rebuild. That would suggest that a rebuild has started. Instead they are in the late stages of an outright free fall.
Baltimore has tried unsuccessfully to hang on to some semblance of respectability and in that failed attempt lost all semblance of being a competitive team. They should have sold assets some time ago (and never bid against themselves for flawed players repeated times either).
They have one of the worst run organizations in major league baseball and unfortunately their fans suffer because of it. This looks to be part of a LONG dark time for Baltimore fans.
I got nuthin on Deck except I think he`ll be as good as Garcia is for the Jays. I need to watch him a little more.
But on Graterol, he'd look good in a Jays uni I like him better than Maile, not that Gratty is a star, he is what he is.
I called the Jays mgmt to keep Graterol last year but the no minds sold him back to the Angels in APril. And what happened in 2017 at the catching position?
In 2017 the Jays blew through Lopez [24 games], Maile [46 games], Martin [83 games], Montero [27 games]. Ohlman [6 games], and Saltalamatccia [7games].
What waste of time and money. As I mentioned in these pages last year, If the Jays had listened to the JimmerTee say in 2017 spring training that Salty was never going to make it and to acquire, keep and play Graterol the entire year, they would have saved time, energy, money and lots of grief to the pitching staff.
Another example of poor Jays Mgmt and scouting.
By the way, anyone notice that Maile is slowly coming back to earth and can't hit anymore?.#Scoutseyes
McBroom isn't a game-changer; Time of the trade Consensus opinion of McBroom was platoon 1B. I don't know if that still holds true after batting .295 with 10 HR, in 210 Triple-A at-bats, but McBroom also has 8BB and 60K in that same time-period.
He seems like a lottery ticket, dude.
Refsnyder has a 17.5% walk rate in 103 PA... McBroom's 3.6% in AAA. (215PA) TOR lost the trade because Ref is no longer with the Blue Jays' organization, but you're still being really hyperbolic in your analysis of him.
Even when Alderson manages to pull off a decent trade it ends badly for the Mets.
I really thought Ramos-Familia could be a killer 8th and 9th combo had the Mets become contenders or a keep-one-trade-the-other-at-the-deadline pair of quality relievers.
Indians could get him and convert him into a reliever. Got good stuff, reminds me of Hunter Strickland a little bit, not like it’s a good comparison but Strickland is a quality arm if you look behind his awful personality.
Refsnyder will best be remembered not for anything he did on the field, but his name came up constantly in Yankee trade rumors from 2014 through 2016. It’s a credit to a lot of scouting departments for not biting.
“Wheeler has stuff that teams will find attractive . . . “
OK, let’s do this slowly. We are talking about the Mets trading Wheeler to a team which is contending this year. Now take a look at his bb-ref page as linked above. What exactly would a contending team use Wheeler for? He’s got a career and season WHIP of almost 1.4. If Wheeler is an improvement over what a team already has it probably isn’t contending for anything other than draft picks.
Seriously, he doesn’t just have “stuff” at this point, he is 28 and has a track record of pretty poor ML performance behind him. Were he a free agent he might not be able to find a ML deal, although some of that would be due to health concerns. The Mets have more invested in him than anyone else is likely to.
“no doubt about it such an ignorant comment probably from a person who has never seen him pitch.”
That comment sounds like it comes from a person who has never seen his stats.
Idk if the Nats have the prospects to get Realmuto if they won’t move Robles. Marlins should trade him at the deadline because he doesn’t fit their window and you’d think the return would be the greatest now though. However, if Kieboom isn’t enough to headline, that’s all the Nats have.
Jesus Murphy. Kolten Wong has zero value on his current contract. Players with 5 years in the majors don’t really get talked about how high their ceilings are because that ceiling is irrelvalent now. Wong couldn’t be dumped for salary relief at this point. Cards would have to eat money to say goodbye.
perhaps millers lack of success had something to do with that? Add Liriano to that group. Not every team got a huge boost in production from their rental relievers. Also teams may have been valuing these guys more so like Pat Neshek, Anthony swarzak or Addison Reed were last year. Neither of them returned huge prospects either though I can clearly hear the argument that Herrera is better. Colome I’m not so sure is better than the aforementioned players but he does come with controllability.
Stand proud Charlie! He’s exactly right!
Fisher is one of the richest families in the country. Don’t use the coliseum as an excuse they have one there before and can still win there!!!!
Maybe a team full of AAA guys and FA could post a better record than say Baltimore or KC has to this point based on pure motivation to play the game. But If you think a team of Adam lind’s And Seth smith’s with a starting 5 of Jake peavy, Edwin Jackson, Matt Cain, Ubaldo Jimenez, and Last but not least Ricky nolasco is going to win 80 games you’re insane. Have to think that one through before you post something ridiculous.
Escobar was billed originally as a slick fielding shortstop who may have enough bat to play full time. The White Sox were pretty high on him when he was dealt to the Twins, and the Twins proceeded to utterly mismanage Escobar.
Escobar's glove is solid with a low error rate, his range at short stop is mediocre and his arm is above average. All in all, Escobar should be an average-ish MLB shortstop and a plus defender at 3B, though I'm sure it would help him quite a bit to actually play a single position with regularity rather than pretty much any position the Twins ask him to play. Also, Escobar has played every single position for the Twins excluding first base, including pitching and catching.
Escobar's ability to steal bases is, at best, a work in progress. What has really limited Escobar's typical WAR is the Twins sticking Escobar in the OF or at 3B while they insist on starting disasters like Pedro Florimon and Danny Santana at shortstop after Escobar earned the starting shortstop job over multiple consecutive years.
If Escobar had been starting at SS since originally earning the job in 2013, I suspect he'd be looked at like a 3.5 WAR player having a career year and he'd be in line for a 4year deal. Instead, his value is kind of up in the air.
Escobar will not be traded as the Twins are undoubtedly planning on making a QO to him to end the season. Any team who trades for Escobar would have to compensate the Twins enough to make up for the lost QO. In addition, the new team wouldn't be able to make a QO as Escobar wouldn't be playing a full season with the new team.
I've seen some horrendous opinions on here before, but saying a team made up of FAs and AAA guys could put up .500 over a season, or even a little better than that, is flat out nuts.
If there were enough guys in that bucket to perform that well, they wouldn't be FAs or AAA fodder in the first place.
Pedro Alvarez gave me PTSD because of how many times he overthrew the 1B. Now every time any player on The Pirates throws from third to first I get a bit nervous. The Pirates could have Nolan Areando, and I'd still hold my breath.
The Orioles are in the early stages of a rebuild so they should be targeting lower guys with upside rather than close-to-MLB-ready type guys. But knowing Angelo's he'll probably do the opposite.
the thing with the yankees is they have a great young core of hitters and then other than severino, all their pitchers are either towards the end of their prime/careers or too young to contribute (sheffield and adams). so if you do nothing, then you go into the playoffs with severino and tanaka to battle sale and porcello, kluber and bauer, verlander and cole. yanks have the worst 1-2 punch of the bunch. lets say they go get machado or harper in offseason, well you still have the same pitching dilemma next year with the same crazy good lineup. so unless you want to waste all that talent and take your chances with tanaka and sonny gray pitching gems in the playoffs, it makes sense to deal some kind of gleyber torres, andujar, adams, sheffield package for degrom or syndergaard
I totally agree they made the right choice in letting both of them walk, but they didn’t sign any reliever to a major league contract except for Belisle. With their window still open they needed to do much more than they did.
Great move by the Nationals getting a quality back-end reliever/closer for such a reasonable price. I’ve always wondered why teams that have obvious needs don’t attempt to address them well before the deadline like this because the asking prices for quality players just continue to rise as the deadline approaches. I’m sure this partly has to do with GM’s wanting to wait as long as possible, but even with that said, it’s somewhat rare to even hear about trade inquiries in June
The Dodgers are trying to stay below the luxury tax, so adding his $8 mil salary would have meant dealing at least one or more current players on the 40 man roster with significant salaries. It will be interesting to know who they were willing to give up in a potential trade
I’ve seen him pitch and I’ve seen his numbers. If teams want a SP who’s made a career of unfulfilled potential and expectations they’ll call Jeff Samarzdija. Oh wait, the Giants already have him locked up. Wasn’t it New York’s own Bill Parcells who said, “I am my record.”? Wheeler is his record, and nobody’s gonna want that.
If Machado insists on being a SS only, his options will be pretty limited considering most of the large market teams are set at that position. I think the Cubs and Phils are the early favorites.
The way to go with all these pitching injuries is to develop them and lock them in, in their 20’s avoiding ucl injuries choosing 60 to 70 percent pitchers and signing position players scioscia love affair catchers is a waist of money and effort.
IF the O’s trade Machado (which I don’t see Angelos agreeing to no matter what the return), they’d probably want Franco and ML ready pitching prospects. That organization has no pitching at any level.
The idea that Melancon is a closer still is laughable. You’re basing your theory off Melancon still being worth even close to the money he’s paid in the future. Anyone who would sign that piece of jerkey to a long term should be fired. He will be lucky to remain healthy another month!
Adrian Gonzalez was a really good all around player for virtually his entire career. The exception being the last couple seasons, which can be attributed to injuries and age finally catching up to him.
All the people commenting that he is a bad teammate or that he isn’t a coachable player are way off base and misguided. How exactly they came to that conclusion about him is beyond my understanding. While with the Padres and Dodgers, he was known as a great player, teammate and even more well known for his work in the community. I would guess that those who are being critical of him are either Boston fans because he made it public that he wanted out of a cancerous clubhouse environment, or just your typical internet trolls
No, it’s stupidity. Had the opportunity to observe Mariano Rivera’s entire career. While he was obviously quite successful there were some notable failures. Know how many times Rivera lost his temper and injured himself—zero. Was he not passionate enough for you?
Why do you see loss of self control as a good thing? How does doing something blatantly self-destructive help the player or team? You must love former Met Matt Harvey, whose similar “passion”cost his team a WS game and potentially the series itself.
“If he brushed off his poor outing . . . “
Which was exactly the way Rivera handled his failures. Didn’t throw things, didn’t punch a wall or break a water cooler (although that last one is more a hitter’s resort). Just recognized that sometimes you’re gonna lose despite your best efforts and got ready for his next appearance. As opposed to your hero, Strickland, who will have to help his team from the DL for the next two months. I am not a Giants fan but I’d expect that those who are Giants fans aren’t real happy about Strickland’s “passion” just about now.
“ . . . as no big deal, then I’d be worried.”
Which means you would have been worried about Rivera every time he blew a save, because he handled it like a professional rather than a school kid. Good for you.
He wasn’t released though. He was dfa’d in the middle of the season and got claimed by the pirates, and plus the giants already had span and Melancon in 2017. You’re probably thinking of yusmeiro petit.
Mets vs. Yankees....in any arena it’s Dumb vs. Einstein. 2 banners versus 27....now do the math of existence....and percentage since, say, 1980. Meh. Terrible ownership, poor decisions all the way around. More meh.
Don't you know that the Mets are supposed to give away top talent to the Yankees for nothing?? a package for deGrom or Thor must include Torres, a top 5 prospect and a top 10 prospect from their farm system to allow for a crosstown swap!! nothing less
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Of course they will but Brewers couldn't wait him out. They signed him to get high leverage outs and he wasn't doing it. It's the same scenario as with Neftali Feliz last year. They ate some money by releasing him in June also.
When you build a bullpen every year, it's almost certain that one or two moves won't work out. This one didn't.
Agree and disagree. I don't think the Phillies will trade anything of note for him and if the Orioles insist on an elite piece in return they will need to look elsewhere this year. Klentak seems invested in his strategic plan. It was a plan that never included Arrieta which made it like pulling teeth to get them to sign Jake this year. That said I don't think any other team will be able to grant Machado an everyday SS role and the massive amount of money that he wants this offseason. He'll be a Phillie in 2019.
Exactly. He just had his reset and now has been set back by this.
Without having seen anything about this, I saw the headline and thought, “What, did he punch something too hard?”
link to baltimoresun.com Amphetamine.
If they add Ed Kranepool to the mix there could be a lot of traders!
The real Mets killer combo is actually Mutt and Jeff. Is it possible that these uncommitted and incompetent owners can take this team which has been the “laughing stock of baseball” for many decades, to a new low water mark?
The Mets killer combo is Mutt and Jeff. Is it possible that a franchise that has by and large been the laughing stock of baseball for many decades is not hitting a new low water mark?
Yea I know, this guy Casey must lead one hell of a bitter life.
Braves would be willing to a deal for Zack Wheeler. He is a Dallas, Georgia Native. I could see swapping a MLB ready prospect for him like Fried or Sims plus another. The Braves would use Wheeler in the pen, maybe groom him for closer. Could advance the prospect quality to Koby Allard if Conforto or Nimmo would be included in the deal.
The Brewers have been real fun to follow these last two years and even going back to to the early Fielder years. I agree with Sogard and Franklin, not too optimistic on Miller and holding out hope for Miley but even if we drop those four, we don't have room for all of the other six. Wren and Orf seem to be the biggest disappointments in terms Sterns giving them a chance. The others have been given a chance elsewhere and all seem like injury insurance/AAA depth which is a great advantage to have for an organization. I sorta hope we don't need Burns or Hiura until next year. I am guessing they still need developing. Don't know really anything about Griep and Olczak. Who is Trevor Williams?
I think you forgot about Germa'n and Loaisiga ! The Yankees are not going to trade their kids for either Degrom or Syndergaard for that price. Besides, the Yankees will be dealing come free agent signing as they're under the cap.
A true grinder. $12mm is not a bad lifetime for most people and he made enough friends to get a coaching gig. His pension will be more than 98% of Americans earn in a year. For a guy who road a raft to the usa, pretty much a role model.
Obviously the Royals would say no to that. They don't want to even out salary. They want to unload it.
And he swung at the pitch that hit him
Garcia's been bad but the contract was worse. Could have given 3 vets minor league deals to compete for his spot with incentives rather than blow $8mil with a $2-mil buyout. I know, innings eater. And he delivers gifts to hitters.
Yes to your question about Maile. A lot of people thought he could keep it up. Unreal. Nothing against Maile but c'mon Jays fans...
yeah, you're a real hoot.
I am fully aware of what Dayton Moore‘s job is and so is he. Since you probably don’t live in Kansas City or follow the Royals very closely, you are probably not aware that Dayton Moore is a very different type of general manager. Some of your baseball fans out there perhaps know what I’m talking about. He doesn’t operate like a typical general manager, right or wrong he simply cares more about his players lives off the field as much or more than he does on the field.
Not all of us are that way. Most of us support andy and klentak and we're less bitter than usual at this time because the Eagles and Sixers are good again and the Phillies are better than we thought.
Not all of us are that way. Most of us support andy and klentak and we're less bitter than usual at this time because the Eagles and Sixers are good again and the Phillies are better than we thought.
Good pitch framer, good pitch caller, good handler of pitchers? Obviously, a good clubhouse influence. Things that don’t show up in WAR for catchers.
He never got busted for peds.
if you got him to play third what do they do with bryant imo cubs need to work more on pitching than they need manny
I found it hilarious that the very same sentence that says his days as a top relief arm "are long since past" also notes he lead the league in saves last year. I love this site, Jeff, but that was an awkward summary.
Hmmm. Last I looked, they seem to still be in first place, with no competition. They can afford to wait until the deadline and acquire a few rentals cheap then.
bcap - the team offense has five star players in Betts, Martinez, Benintendi, Moreland and Bogaerts. It has a .230 hitter at 3B, no Peddy, two catchers that don't hit and Bradley batting under .200 most of the time. My definition of a potent line-up is 9 hitters that are hitting over .250 with at least 4 star players. The top end of our line-up qualifies as potent, 3B, C, CF and 2B are not. I'm not sure what a player fitting well on a team means, it could mean he's got good chemistry, he bats in the right place (last) or many other things. To me 5 stars and 4 below average players don't suggest potent or a good fit but maybe I'm being too hard on them. Have you looked at the other elite teams in the league? The Astros and Yankees don't have as big a gap between their top and bottom players. Seattle has closed their gap with Span filling in for Cano. The Indians might be similar to us but wouldn't it be nice if we compared better to Houston and New York? We are fortunate to have better starting pitchers than NY but without any changes it's hard to see how we would beat the Astros, especially if Cora is content to finish in the first wildcard spot.
Bruin012 - I get it you are a Red Sox fan but don't be dilusional, try to look objectively at our players. Devers has been all hype, he cost us another game last night with his inability to field simple ground balls, he homered but his average is terrible, he didn't play much above AA and he needed to and you can't keep saying he is improving because making one good play and one bad play in a game should put you in the minors. JBJ is great defensively and an offensive liability and everyone knows that. Chavis is a solid 3B but isn't in the mix for playing at the MLB level because he's got flaws like Devers. Groome hasn't proven anything and Casis can be the player to be named later if there is a rule about trading him before the end of the season. This suggestion is a quantity for quality trade. The Mets need quantity but if I were the Mets I wouldn't do this trade. You always want the best player in the trade and that's DeGrom by a LONG SHOT!! Not even close to EROD.
Do you remember a couple of years ago we traded a can't miss SP for Pomerantz and how did he turn out? Yep, so far he has missed!! The Red Sox want to win now not hope to win someday. You've got to take off your Red Sox hat when you think about trades. Both sides need to benefit. The Red Sox would get a top 5 SP comparable to Sale, the Mets would get potential out of EROD and DEVERS, an outside chance at a starter with Chavis, a late inning defensive centerfielder who can't hit and possibly a decent young SP if he can stay healthy and our first round pick. It fills up their farm system with guys better than what they have now and it rids the Red Sox of players that shouldn't be starters because they aren't as good as the other starters. If we were rebuilding right now guys like Devers could be given time to see if he can get better but good teams have their potential stars do it in the minors first. He was over-rated in the minors because he was having ONE hot season. Those types of mistakes happen all the time. The Yankees had a star player named Rutherford who had ONE hot season. The next year he didn't and he was sent packing to Chicago. Devers had a hot year. Now he's having a bad year. The Red Sox shouldn't be starting hitters batting under .250 unless they are exceptional at something else. He's not. He's a below average fielder, he isn't fast, his arm is inconsistent throwing across the infield. Too many have tasted the cool aid on this guy. Look at his numbers. That's what he is this year, a .230 hitter, bad defender with an inconsistent arm. That sounds like a AAA or AA player to me. We have a huge hole and Sale more than anybody has been paying for his lack of skills.
By the way, If we could throw Cora in the deal I'd do it in a heartbeat.
All the trades in the world won't fix a broken manager. Cora cost us another game tonight and doesn't seem to be trying to win. Someone needs to tell him that the MLB doesn't give out participation trophies so playing guys like Swihart, Johnson and others with minor league talent won't win games. Why not start the 8th with Kelly? Don Zimmer could have figured that one out and he was clueless as a manager.
If Devers fields his position the first rally never happens. It's not ok in the MLB to have a 3B that can't charge a ball and throw guys out regularly. I know our announcers rave when he gets one then they don't say much when he misses the next two. We need a 3B and we need a coach. Step out of your Red Sox gear and look objectively. We have an excellent team with only a few holes. We need to fill those holes before we are so far behind we are guaranteed a 1 game playoff.
Every game I watch I'm waiting for Cora to either screw up the line-up by batting Bogaerts 3rd so Martinez can lead off the inning multiple times or rest guys that should be playing. If he starts the best 8 players then I wait for his first bonehead pitching change. I'm sure someone must be providing him with stats on how good and how bad his relievers are. Shouldn't he use those stats to give us the best possible chance? He is totally over his head and based on his performance thus far, he should have spent a year or two in the minors with Devers!!
I'm trying to stay optimistic about our chances but it's hard to when the same mistakes keep being repeated. 1 out of 10 mis-hit balls down third will be fielded and thrown accurately. At least 2 of the 10 will be caught and thrown away. We have seen this yet we keep sending Devers out to play 3B. For the last two weeks we've not used our standard 7th and 8th inning relief guys, we've been experimenting and losing games because of it. Good coaches and good systems don't allow that to happen.
Last comment on my trade suggestion... if DeGrom doesn't go to us but is traded like Verlander last year, would it surprise you if he landed on a team we might have to play in the playoffs? What if he goes to Seattle, Houston, the Yankees or Cleveland and Cora gets us to finish in the first wild card slot, wouldn't it drive you crazy to know we could have had him like Verlander last year? It would me!!
Hey if that is true that means one million up votes is worth 25 cents in N.Y. with our $2,75 fares. They probably just give you a voucher to mail in and you end up paying more for the stamp.
All good. It happens. Happ is pitching toward a QO if the Jays can't deal him.
I never said the Stanton trade had anything to do with Cole, just he was not needed and costs too much both now and especially in the future, no matter how minimal the cost in prospects. Homers try to justify anyway they can. Machado is better and younger.
Yankees trading with the Mets is just talk show fodder.
Point is you can trade them to somebody but you are not getting top prospects back to help your team.
3 lengths behind now and losing ground fast...
Yes that would be me . I love talking about the Brewers and what possibilities we could do to make the team better. in all honesty I don't think they need to do many trades to bring players in. I like a lot of the young guys in our system. I wish our roster could be more. Guys I feel need to be off the 40 man is Sogard, Franklin, Miller and honestly don't think we need Miley. Now if we aren't going to give Orf, Bettencourt, Archer, Wilkerson, Wren, Broxton a chance would like to see them get a chance some place. So far I do believe that Corbin, Derby, Nottingham, Erceg, Trevor Williams, Griep,Olczak and Huira have so far earned a call up in September
The beat goes on. :0(
Don’t want to see Bo Mel go he’s a local boy that grew up to be a pretty good manager
He’s a part of the ownership group
Regular season means absolutely nothing to his post, so why bring it up.
You’re such a great representation of Phillies fans.
The Cubs have Russell and Baez. How is that not set?
The Orioles are NOT in the early stages of a rebuild. That would suggest that a rebuild has started. Instead they are in the late stages of an outright free fall.
Baltimore has tried unsuccessfully to hang on to some semblance of respectability and in that failed attempt lost all semblance of being a competitive team. They should have sold assets some time ago (and never bid against themselves for flawed players repeated times either).
They have one of the worst run organizations in major league baseball and unfortunately their fans suffer because of it. This looks to be part of a LONG dark time for Baltimore fans.
I knew it was broken as soon as it hit him. The impact was loud as hell and he was in excruciating pain.
He's actually been decent since returning from the DL. Offensively at least.
No ones imprisoning children. He’s literally following the law. Would you let kids into prisons because they’re being separated from their families?
Mlb is number 2 on most profitable sports dummy. Dwarfs champions league and the NBA by 7 and 6 billion respectively
Baseball is the second most profitable sport dwarfing the NBA by more than 6 billion.
About two weeks and 2 blown saves later...
Attaway Snake. Good on u. for the nod...
I got nuthin on Deck except I think he`ll be as good as Garcia is for the Jays. I need to watch him a little more.
But on Graterol, he'd look good in a Jays uni I like him better than Maile, not that Gratty is a star, he is what he is.
I called the Jays mgmt to keep Graterol last year but the no minds sold him back to the Angels in APril. And what happened in 2017 at the catching position?
In 2017 the Jays blew through Lopez [24 games], Maile [46 games], Martin [83 games], Montero [27 games]. Ohlman [6 games], and Saltalamatccia [7games].
What waste of time and money. As I mentioned in these pages last year, If the Jays had listened to the JimmerTee say in 2017 spring training that Salty was never going to make it and to acquire, keep and play Graterol the entire year, they would have saved time, energy, money and lots of grief to the pitching staff.
Another example of poor Jays Mgmt and scouting.
By the way, anyone notice that Maile is slowly coming back to earth and can't hit anymore?.#Scoutseyes
McBroom isn't a game-changer; Time of the trade Consensus opinion of McBroom was platoon 1B. I don't know if that still holds true after batting .295 with 10 HR, in 210 Triple-A at-bats, but McBroom also has 8BB and 60K in that same time-period.
He seems like a lottery ticket, dude.
Refsnyder has a 17.5% walk rate in 103 PA... McBroom's 3.6% in AAA. (215PA) TOR lost the trade because Ref is no longer with the Blue Jays' organization, but you're still being really hyperbolic in your analysis of him.
Even when Alderson manages to pull off a decent trade it ends badly for the Mets.
I really thought Ramos-Familia could be a killer 8th and 9th combo had the Mets become contenders or a keep-one-trade-the-other-at-the-deadline pair of quality relievers.
Yet never languished on the FA market, and managed to make about $12 mil in his career.
I wonder if there’s more to this game the Sabrmetrics?
lol, all acouting depts except the Jays.
Indians could get him and convert him into a reliever. Got good stuff, reminds me of Hunter Strickland a little bit, not like it’s a good comparison but Strickland is a quality arm if you look behind his awful personality.
Refsnyder will best be remembered not for anything he did on the field, but his name came up constantly in Yankee trade rumors from 2014 through 2016. It’s a credit to a lot of scouting departments for not biting.
Most painful name in sports
“Wheeler has stuff that teams will find attractive . . . “
OK, let’s do this slowly. We are talking about the Mets trading Wheeler to a team which is contending this year. Now take a look at his bb-ref page as linked above. What exactly would a contending team use Wheeler for? He’s got a career and season WHIP of almost 1.4. If Wheeler is an improvement over what a team already has it probably isn’t contending for anything other than draft picks.
Seriously, he doesn’t just have “stuff” at this point, he is 28 and has a track record of pretty poor ML performance behind him. Were he a free agent he might not be able to find a ML deal, although some of that would be due to health concerns. The Mets have more invested in him than anyone else is likely to.
“no doubt about it such an ignorant comment probably from a person who has never seen him pitch.”
That comment sounds like it comes from a person who has never seen his stats.
Tigers RHP Drew VerHagen likely to the DL with a broken nose after losing a throw vs. CIN. Roster decision in the morning.
What can they give the Jays for Oh and Loup?
Strickland is gonna be the guy yelling "You kids get off my lawn."
Idk if the Nats have the prospects to get Realmuto if they won’t move Robles. Marlins should trade him at the deadline because he doesn’t fit their window and you’d think the return would be the greatest now though. However, if Kieboom isn’t enough to headline, that’s all the Nats have.
Jesus Murphy. Kolten Wong has zero value on his current contract. Players with 5 years in the majors don’t really get talked about how high their ceilings are because that ceiling is irrelvalent now. Wong couldn’t be dumped for salary relief at this point. Cards would have to eat money to say goodbye.
Agreed in 3rd strike looking being a douche no need for that dude.
Does that mean the Mets get more insurance money to go along with David wright?
perhaps millers lack of success had something to do with that? Add Liriano to that group. Not every team got a huge boost in production from their rental relievers. Also teams may have been valuing these guys more so like Pat Neshek, Anthony swarzak or Addison Reed were last year. Neither of them returned huge prospects either though I can clearly hear the argument that Herrera is better. Colome I’m not so sure is better than the aforementioned players but he does come with controllability.
Stand proud Charlie! He’s exactly right!
Fisher is one of the richest families in the country. Don’t use the coliseum as an excuse they have one there before and can still win there!!!!
Maybe a team full of AAA guys and FA could post a better record than say Baltimore or KC has to this point based on pure motivation to play the game. But If you think a team of Adam lind’s And Seth smith’s with a starting 5 of Jake peavy, Edwin Jackson, Matt Cain, Ubaldo Jimenez, and Last but not least Ricky nolasco is going to win 80 games you’re insane. Have to think that one through before you post something ridiculous.
Escobar was billed originally as a slick fielding shortstop who may have enough bat to play full time. The White Sox were pretty high on him when he was dealt to the Twins, and the Twins proceeded to utterly mismanage Escobar.
Escobar's glove is solid with a low error rate, his range at short stop is mediocre and his arm is above average. All in all, Escobar should be an average-ish MLB shortstop and a plus defender at 3B, though I'm sure it would help him quite a bit to actually play a single position with regularity rather than pretty much any position the Twins ask him to play. Also, Escobar has played every single position for the Twins excluding first base, including pitching and catching.
Escobar's ability to steal bases is, at best, a work in progress. What has really limited Escobar's typical WAR is the Twins sticking Escobar in the OF or at 3B while they insist on starting disasters like Pedro Florimon and Danny Santana at shortstop after Escobar earned the starting shortstop job over multiple consecutive years.
If Escobar had been starting at SS since originally earning the job in 2013, I suspect he'd be looked at like a 3.5 WAR player having a career year and he'd be in line for a 4year deal. Instead, his value is kind of up in the air.
Escobar will not be traded as the Twins are undoubtedly planning on making a QO to him to end the season. Any team who trades for Escobar would have to compensate the Twins enough to make up for the lost QO. In addition, the new team wouldn't be able to make a QO as Escobar wouldn't be playing a full season with the new team.
These guys gotta start wearing hand guards too. Way too many broken hands
I've seen some horrendous opinions on here before, but saying a team made up of FAs and AAA guys could put up .500 over a season, or even a little better than that, is flat out nuts.
If there were enough guys in that bucket to perform that well, they wouldn't be FAs or AAA fodder in the first place.
Pedro Alvarez gave me PTSD because of how many times he overthrew the 1B. Now every time any player on The Pirates throws from third to first I get a bit nervous. The Pirates could have Nolan Areando, and I'd still hold my breath.
more like good hindsight
Davis has the higher ceiling, but his floor is knocking on Hell's door.
The Orioles are in the early stages of a rebuild so they should be targeting lower guys with upside rather than close-to-MLB-ready type guys. But knowing Angelo's he'll probably do the opposite.
the thing with the yankees is they have a great young core of hitters and then other than severino, all their pitchers are either towards the end of their prime/careers or too young to contribute (sheffield and adams). so if you do nothing, then you go into the playoffs with severino and tanaka to battle sale and porcello, kluber and bauer, verlander and cole. yanks have the worst 1-2 punch of the bunch. lets say they go get machado or harper in offseason, well you still have the same pitching dilemma next year with the same crazy good lineup. so unless you want to waste all that talent and take your chances with tanaka and sonny gray pitching gems in the playoffs, it makes sense to deal some kind of gleyber torres, andujar, adams, sheffield package for degrom or syndergaard
good analysis
I totally agree they made the right choice in letting both of them walk, but they didn’t sign any reliever to a major league contract except for Belisle. With their window still open they needed to do much more than they did.
You 100% would not field a .500 team on major leaguers who are playing in AAA.
The marlins got the better end of that trade
Great move by the Nationals getting a quality back-end reliever/closer for such a reasonable price. I’ve always wondered why teams that have obvious needs don’t attempt to address them well before the deadline like this because the asking prices for quality players just continue to rise as the deadline approaches. I’m sure this partly has to do with GM’s wanting to wait as long as possible, but even with that said, it’s somewhat rare to even hear about trade inquiries in June
The Dodgers are trying to stay below the luxury tax, so adding his $8 mil salary would have meant dealing at least one or more current players on the 40 man roster with significant salaries. It will be interesting to know who they were willing to give up in a potential trade
Wait, don’t you carry three year grudges for giving up home runs in the playoffs?
from here* ?
I’ve seen him pitch and I’ve seen his numbers. If teams want a SP who’s made a career of unfulfilled potential and expectations they’ll call Jeff Samarzdija. Oh wait, the Giants already have him locked up. Wasn’t it New York’s own Bill Parcells who said, “I am my record.”? Wheeler is his record, and nobody’s gonna want that.
Cabrera would be much wanted but I just wish he was a bit younger
Dyson, Souza, and Owings are all under .200. Jay has twice as many hits at Souza in the same ABs. Souza is trash. DFA.
If Machado insists on being a SS only, his options will be pretty limited considering most of the large market teams are set at that position. I think the Cubs and Phils are the early favorites.
The way to go with all these pitching injuries is to develop them and lock them in, in their 20’s avoiding ucl injuries choosing 60 to 70 percent pitchers and signing position players scioscia love affair catchers is a waist of money and effort.
Oof Shoulder is worse than TJ, This was Ramos’ last Arb yr. Where do the Mets go from there?
That’ll surely help the fading Angels.
Mets should take the best offer. Nothing more, nothing less. If the Yankees make an offer that’s better than the rest, the Mets should take it.
Hate to agree, but this may be a blessing in disguise.
HARRISON BADER,DAKOTA HUDSON ,G MUNOZ STLOUIS WILL GET BRACH AND MACHADO .
IF the O’s trade Machado (which I don’t see Angelos agreeing to no matter what the return), they’d probably want Franco and ML ready pitching prospects. That organization has no pitching at any level.
The idea that Melancon is a closer still is laughable. You’re basing your theory off Melancon still being worth even close to the money he’s paid in the future. Anyone who would sign that piece of jerkey to a long term should be fired. He will be lucky to remain healthy another month!
Adrian Gonzalez was a really good all around player for virtually his entire career. The exception being the last couple seasons, which can be attributed to injuries and age finally catching up to him.
All the people commenting that he is a bad teammate or that he isn’t a coachable player are way off base and misguided. How exactly they came to that conclusion about him is beyond my understanding. While with the Padres and Dodgers, he was known as a great player, teammate and even more well known for his work in the community. I would guess that those who are being critical of him are either Boston fans because he made it public that he wanted out of a cancerous clubhouse environment, or just your typical internet trolls
“It’s not stupidity, it’s passion.”
No, it’s stupidity. Had the opportunity to observe Mariano Rivera’s entire career. While he was obviously quite successful there were some notable failures. Know how many times Rivera lost his temper and injured himself—zero. Was he not passionate enough for you?
Why do you see loss of self control as a good thing? How does doing something blatantly self-destructive help the player or team? You must love former Met Matt Harvey, whose similar “passion”cost his team a WS game and potentially the series itself.
“If he brushed off his poor outing . . . “
Which was exactly the way Rivera handled his failures. Didn’t throw things, didn’t punch a wall or break a water cooler (although that last one is more a hitter’s resort). Just recognized that sometimes you’re gonna lose despite your best efforts and got ready for his next appearance. As opposed to your hero, Strickland, who will have to help his team from the DL for the next two months. I am not a Giants fan but I’d expect that those who are Giants fans aren’t real happy about Strickland’s “passion” just about now.
“ . . . as no big deal, then I’d be worried.”
Which means you would have been worried about Rivera every time he blew a save, because he handled it like a professional rather than a school kid. Good for you.
He wasn’t released though. He was dfa’d in the middle of the season and got claimed by the pirates, and plus the giants already had span and Melancon in 2017. You’re probably thinking of yusmeiro petit.
Mets vs. Yankees....in any arena it’s Dumb vs. Einstein. 2 banners versus 27....now do the math of existence....and percentage since, say, 1980. Meh. Terrible ownership, poor decisions all the way around. More meh.
I would say the Angels need him, but his era is to low for the Angels to want him in their bullpen
Knowing the O's they'll take Franco, Hoskins and every other bat first corner if/of with questionable defense in their system.
Don't you know that the Mets are supposed to give away top talent to the Yankees for nothing?? a package for deGrom or Thor must include Torres, a top 5 prospect and a top 10 prospect from their farm system to allow for a crosstown swap!! nothing less