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After I posted the above comment, now that comment is gone,For all that is baseball, what am I doing wrong????
Obviously a trade dreamed up by a Tigers fan.
Plus he’s very good defensive 1B.
Not Pepiot
Salary dump...Chris Taylor shipped out with Cartaya and Vargas to the Tigers for the Meadows brothers and a flier. I got tired of bugging Cards fans about the Tigers picking up Gorman inva similar deal 😉
They did for this article
I didn't see that Taillon turned down anything from the Phils, but I do like the Taillon deal slightly better than the Ealker one. So win for the Cubbies I suppose.
To me, Cartaya, Vargas, Stone and Miller should be off-limits for anyone other than Ohtani.
But if they can package Pages, Grove or Pepiot with Treinan to get under the luxury tax threshold, I think it would be a smart move.
After I posted the above comment, it showed up twice. Now one of them is gone. I'm an edit idiot, can't seem to always make it work
Dalbec, German, and a bag of balls with salary relief for the Sawx? Throw in Duran!
If you can't understand these type of deals you don't understand baseball
It’s unarguable imo. They are #1 (SD #2). Also shows how terrible Red Sox scouts are when it comes to return on betts trade
Sucks for Arizona being stuck in that division. MLB should get rid of divisions. That will create more parity
I don't follow the M's, WW, but my distant impression as a Yankee fan is that Kelenic was a highly touted prospect. Consulting the record, I find that in 2019, when Moore broke camp with the M's, Kelenic was their #1 position player prospect, while Moore wasn't in their top 30. It's common for a team to give more rope to a top prospect than to a guy who'd been picked up as a cheap free agent after not being retained by his previous team.
I do understand the perspective of M's fans who think Moore is a bad hitter. There's more than one way to look at it. The strikeouts are maddening, I get that. I'm reminded of Gallo, sans the power. Joey was highly productive as a Ranger, but the whiffs were not what the doctor ordered when he came to the Bronx to join other high-strikeout sluggers.
But Joey's wRC+ also tanked in the Bronx. He wasn't productive in any sense. Even his walks declined and his defense suffered.
Moore, on the other hand, had a healthy wRC+ last year, bolstered by a high OBP. Counting all players with at least 250 PA (Moore had 255), he ranked 20th in OBP, between Mike Trout and Brandon Nimmo. He's stolen double-digit bases every year in his major league career, and his defensive versatility is valuable to the club. For what he offers, the contract seems reasonable to me.
Dude people like u it just goes right over the head
What other answer was Friedman going to give to that question?
Gotta love the small market Twins
That won’t work since a team's Competitive Balance Tax figure is determined using the average annual value of each player's contract. Even if they moved the entire amount of Treinen’s contract to 2024, it would still average the same.
So what, u give him 2/12 instead of 1/8?. Doesnt really help
Numbers might show he was good last year, but he probably made me the most uncomfortable of all our relievers all year long. I don't feel he was that dominant at all.
I honestly think he has good late inning stuff. Good for the Cubs. Lucky he did not sign with another team. I don't think he should of been designated in the first place. He was that impressive in his role late season.
Should have passed on Syndergaard, as they have plenty of good arms in the pipeline.
I don't know, maybe the A's? It might work out as the fanbase is down, they'd get him for the minimum and then flip him for prospects at the deadline to a contending team that publicly swore off signing him at the outset. I hope nobody does, but I can see that scenario happening.
The only team I can think of that won it all with a mediocre starting staff was the Angels, and their bullpen was legendary.
I think they're still convinced Mahle is a 1a pitcher.
When these sites estimate luxury tax thresholds, do they take into account the roughly 16.5M for medical & another X amount for other things? I forget what all goes into the calculation but it's more than payroll
Not sure who you guys are talking about... Arraez has a lifetime 8.7% walk rate... better than average. Very low K% and only 6 GDP's, so he doesn't make outs. .314 lifetime batting average... .375 lifetime OBP. 31 doubles last year, so he has doubles power. At 2B he was roughly average. He could always play LF just to get the bat in the lineup.
Imagine the excitement if the Yankees had picked him up? Put him LF and at the top of the order... let Judge and Stanton knock him in.. LOL So many haters out there.
I'm personally a DBacks fan, but everyone has to admit the Dodgers are arguably the best developmental organization. Definitely something to look at to emulate; getting upset doesn't do any good. Lol
Signing another catcher, that would have required uncle Jerry to pay money. Actually the Sox should Hope Zavala stays healthy.
Bauer was their big "boo boo". Once that 22 mil erodes away, Dodgers will be back to being one of the savviest teams in MLB (this from a Braves fan).
Bauer.... is anyone going to sign him?
Right ! Plus they have 6 top hundred prospects ready for trial this year. They got to see what they have with them too. Almost like some crazy baseball elitist rebuild for the dodgers. Have to admit I’m a little jelly
Thanks Joe for explaining my logic … however warped it is…
The Dodgers should try to rework Treinen’s deal since he will miss the 2023 season and move a chuck to the 2024 season. It would be a win-win for the Dodgers and Treinen.
*spite*
I can see them moving Treinen and/or Hudson for a quality player
Orioles win,
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They paid for a guy that no one else wanted. Adding depth is always good, but hardly a win.
Dodgers will be just fine! Trust the process, Friedman will figure it out!
"this year", meaning it's not beyond the realm of reason to suggest that there's still some inclination for deals after this season to accommodate Ohtani; if they're already over, no reason not to pick up an expiring contract or two come trade deadline time.
"...and he brought in rhe best closer and best setup man..."
Jansen and Martin are not the best closer and reliver in the league.
Fair enough… R … no hating here just a fan of Brais( maybe only one ) but hey he’s better than Gagne in 07 …
But, they at don't spend on free agents - Some guys from another thread
He was awful in his short time in Toronto(2021). All I know is that he wouldn't last long in the A.L.East, and only a team with favorable pitching dimensions should be interested in him.
Performance obviously will matter, but seems like La Stella should have an edge since he could be the corner IF backup the Mariners said they needed. But yeah, will be interesting
Kepler is not worth anything like that. He has some of the lowest exit velocities in the sport, which has led to the lowest BABiP in recent history (and not for bad luck reasons). Basically all he's got is good corner OF defense. And you get him for one season. That's worth a back end of your pen reliever at best.
Unrelated question: Why did Jamison Taillon supposedly turn down the Phillies and sign with the Cubs for less money? I read that Walker signed the deal that was turned down by Taillon.
Yeah that kid has promise tho.
Nice job milt!!! You get it.. darn tooting he was a great hitting pitcher… Steve Crawford???
Yep. The Gallo signing is and remains bizarre. I'm sure they expected much better offers for Kepler when they signed Gallo.
Teams probably figure they'll DFA him eventually and he can be picked up for nothing. Twins would be cutting off their nose to spit their face if they keep Kepler over one of those kids. WAY too many outfielders, and they might well need a 1B if Kiriloff isn't ready or bombs again. Speaking of which, this means they're out of the Gurriel and/or Voit markets.
This degenerate comment haunts me in my sleep. You are trying to send me to a psych ward.
Was really hoping they would sign or trade for a regular LF so Cabrera could be a super utility guy.
This man walks way too many batters to be a major leaguer. He has potential but needs to learn command. I would wish him luck but he's still in the division lol so I will refrain from that.
No love for Tim Lollar? Heck, Lollar could DH for the current Sox.
The problem is, they already have three GG caliber OF. Buxton, Taylo, Gallo. Kepler is redundant.
Wow
BStrowman, or Samuel, or whoever you are -- this question was posed to a panel of experts assembled by The University of Chicago Booth School of Business:
"Providing state and local subsidies to build stadiums for professional sports teams is likely to cost the relevant taxpayers more than any local economic benefits that are generated."
The results, weighted by their confidence in their response, were 26% who strongly agreed and 57% who agreed, compared to 4% who disagreed.
igmchicago.org/surveys/sports-stadiums/
Among the respondents on the panel were economics professors from MIT, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, the University of Chicago, Berkeley, Stanford, and Columbia University.
These are the credentials of just one of those who agreed with the statement:
Dwight D. Eisenhower Professor of Economics and International Affairs, Emeritus
Senior Scholar, Woodrow Wilson School
Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel (2015)
President of the American Economic Association (2009)
"Please don't act like you know how any of this works." Isn't that what you're doing -- acting like you know how this works?
I'm certainly not going to act like I know more about the issue than the winner of a Nobel Prize in Economic Sciences.
RSmith (s/b in the HOF) was being sarcastic and making fun of the guys who work backwards. They hate Bloom, so they have to hate every move, so they all protested letting Darwinzon go.
So now that Darwinzon hasn't been used on any of the 1,200 40-man slot selections, well, I think it is kind of funny.
No clue what youre saying either. I guess we're even.
I'd settle for a happy medium. Banning the shift and the baserunning changes should help emphasize athleticism rather than analytics. I have to problem with analytics, but it went too far. But let's not return to the Bonds-McGwire-Sosa antics. That was an unsustainable race to the bottom.
I guess that makes me "natural erection"...
We were so bad for so long they just stopped making them. Anyone else see the leaked city connect? Any thoughts?
Dearth?
R smith … probably not… I just like rooting for the Stanley’s/ El guopo”s/ leskanic”s and in this case the Brais”s of the world… oh Joe sambito”s and tony fossase”s from the left side…..
we will never return to the "good old Bonds era" unless MLB decides to allow "good old sterpids" back into the game.
These "they have more players than spots" scenarios always seem to get resolved by an injury or two in camp. Then teams are glad they held onto guys.
I just said they were battling him in arbitration. I’m not going to criticize anyone’s reading, it’s really comprehension anyways. Reading and comprehension are two totally different things btw.
But they didn’t have to battle him just because the twins submitted that figure, did they?
They must be asking too much. As the article points out, he is just an average player from an offensive standpoint.
They really should move Kirilloff and Gordon while they still have a high value. Too many players but not the value in the guys they want to trade.
*Kelenic
My point was that the Marlins just always seem to end up doing wrong by their players and fanbase.
Also, even if I made a list that was incorrect, I can’t be corrected respectfully? You guys enjoy it when someone is rude to another person who posts?
Now back to my point .. if im the Marlins and I just got the big bag that always seems to elude my franchise, im not even letting this get to an arbitration meeting. Im taking care of this guy and building that relationship for hopefully the long term.
Arraez won anyways.
My god where do you Chaim haters come from? If we have the year you see, they will be similar to last year, and that's virtually impossible with upgrades he's made. Pulled a Bloom? You know how much of what you said is complete BS? JD is going to be 36 this season and had a very subpar year last year, has had declining numbers. And you are complaining about Turner who is 38 and has had two .287 and 80+ home runs in the past two years, exactly what you need at DH. You also refuse to see some other facts, like the fact that he got the best closer and the best setup man available, if you relied on stats you'd know that, but instead...
And somehow I suppose you wanted us to give an aging (31 this year), declining shortstop whose hitting numbers have declined as well an 11-year $300+ contract. Mookie was not worth what the Dodgers gave him either, and like Xander he wanted out of Boston so he could get one of the ridiculous contracts from teams in that NL West division who are trying to top each other with ridiculous contracts to win.
Guys and ladies and anyone else, I think there are a couple of Yankees fans posing as Red Sox fans in our threads lately. When you constantly post these ridiculous ideas about how bad they are going to be, you can't really be a Sox fans, and this guy is are clearly outnumbered now. Bloom fixed the bullpen with the best closer and setup man on the market and the two most reliable guys, when are you going to give him credit for that? And you conveniently mention Duvall's power numbers or that it's getting rare to find power hitters who also hit for batting average. You choose his worst stats and leave out his best stats, as you do with the whole team. We robbed the mighty Dodgers of several very good players. They have JD, and somehow you see JD at 36 better than Turner at 38. At least Turner can play the field and he will lead the clubhouse. You also seriously don't know what Kluber has done in the past few years. You underrate the whole team, consistently. If you are not a Yankee fan trying to rile Red Sox fans, you are the worst kind of fan (or you are both of those things).
Bloom was chosen because Tampa Bay has had a very successful business model. I'll bet you love the most ridiculous writer in Boston sports, Tomase (2nd only to Shaughnessy). Three new columns by national writers come out with ratings of this year's MLB farm systems, and two have us much improved - in the best on we are 11th in the league - and he reports the third one which has our system among the last but doesn't mention the other two. At all.
If you aren't a Red Sox fan, you are some kind of hybrid of Glenn Ordway's daily clinical depression, Michael Felger's out-of-town mentality, and Tony Mazzarrotti's Evil Tony character that started when he was at EEI, and which he continues at the Sports Hub. Gone are the days when Tony was made fun of for his high voice but he told Herald readers the best info about the team; now he's a guy who follows Ordway's model and thinks that Boston sports fans are all like his former callers, who he'd imitate and ridicule in the same sentence ("They're ruining my summah" ). Kike is did not have the year he had a couple of years ago because he was hurt, Verdugo was off last year on that last place team that couldn't do much because of the bullpen. So with those guys and the rest of the team, you see mediocrity when there was actually wise spending. If you are a Red Sox fan, you are like a friend I have who was sure Bloom would never pay Devers, while he is 26 and still hasn't reached his ceiling yet. You don't give a declining 31-year old shortstop 11 years and that much money, or a 5-8 180 pound right fielder who is one the best right fielders and is capable of being a power hitter like last year or an average hitter as he was two years ago - and who most importantly wanted out of Boston - and a guy who did not hit in the playoffs for the Red Sox doesn't deserve that much either. Devers may not be the best at 3rd, but he's better and pretty much passable there now. At the plate, he has become one of the top 5 - maybe top 3 - hitters in baseball, someone who still hits for average, RBI and homers. Xander and JD used to be almost as good, but they are trending down, Devers is clearly going to be one of the best hitters in baseball for a long time. Mookie can be that and was that last year, but he gave very little to the 2018 team's postseason run and has similarly failed in all his other post-season Red Sox appearances.
But you sound like a typical Yankees fan who can't see that Brian Cashman is a Dombrowski type on a lesser scale, as aside from Judge last year, pays a bunch of .220 home run hitters to lead his offense every year and pays for the best available starting pitcher - who was really the the 4th best available - for huge money. Bloom may not be the right GM in years to come, we'll see, but between Bogaerts, Betts, Devers and JD, he gave the only guy young enough who couldn't be replaced ridiculous money. Look what the Yankees have had in choosing Cole and Montas, and we'll see now with Rodon. If the Yankees really knew what they were doing they was best for the team they would have stolen Verlander from the Mets and Bogaerts from the Red Sox. They had the money to do both, but instead what are they doing? The third or fourth best starter? What about shortstop, you guys said you wanted to steal Xander. What happened?
Sure...a penny for your thoughts
Bohs -- the open bar over the batters wall, the flag court (twice), the box's seats many times, Monument Park w/ statues of all the Hall of Famers, and the walls have moved more than just last year.
Camden has been upgraded and maintained very well. Just looking at 1993 photos vs. 2021 photos show a very different park. It's very visable.
As for O's doing more for the pre-game experience, I'm natural. It won't affect me, but if others would like it, I'm all for it.
Well should be a top 5 defense and a bottom 5 offense outfield..
Baseball needs some of that so it doesn't die off. Hopefully, banning the shift and baserunning changes will revive it and make it what it was up until last year (maybe even a return to the good old Bonds era of the early 2000s).
Thanks riffraff. Some people just like to be mean for no reason. You’d think being such a jerk around people you don’t even know would be an embarrassing way to conduct yourself. But I guess not. Apparently as indicated by the likes on his rude comment, people enjoy the hate.
Thanks for pointing out how Big Smoke wasn’t even right. He also didn’t even acknowledge the fact that this is typical Marlins business practice. I guess he didn’t come here to talk baseball smh
Don't apologize we didn't want that jabroni. Hopefully Cabrera wins the LF job at this point.
Fire sale in Miami coming soon to get their payroll down to an acceptable level, LOL.
Glad to see these teams spending the extra $30M they received this year.
With the way the Twins OF has been ravaged by injuries the past couple of years this is probably the smart play. That said a RH option at 1B is still needed unless they think Christian Vazquez can play 1B against lefties with Ryan Jeffers Catching
JUICY BALLS
Twins time to deal with what's in their hand. Twins would need a proven closer or 2 pitcher to make any trade sense.
Lewis getting the highly coveted vote of confidence means nothing.
Lots of outfielders, almost all with major question marks. I guess the Twins are trying to make it up with volume!
Good news, let's close the door on this rumor, too much emphasis on a player who is not all that viable.
Bad hernia, bad hip, a couple surgeries. Poor guy has had some rough luck. Reports are that he is 100% and ready to rock going into the spring. With the financial commitment the team has still to him, they want him to come back and play, for sure.
*performed some magic
Baked -- I'm with you in regards to Orioles pitching coaches. They have profirmee some magic. Bautista and Perez were good examples of guys w/ stuff over control, and the O's used/trained them well.
Just wish the same thing were true of Orioles pitching coaches and DL Hall...
Hopefully Darwinzon will be the former. He is another intriguing player for the Pitching Mechanic's shop to work with.
Sorry Yankee fans.
You sir are correct & have proven the Darwinzon theory of evolution, however, I still get an urge to club my wife over the head and drag her into the nearest cave...
These comment sections are getting Leiter by the minute
I tend to agree with you and that's is assuming Hendricks isn't back. If he's back it's he and Smyly at 4-5 and everyone we have mentioned is in the pen.
I really don't see a viable path for Leiter to be on this team. With no options, the shuttle value is gone and between us we've named at least eight pitchers, probably more, that are better than him.
I am sure that once they can do it guys like Roberts, Canario, and maybe Heuer will go on the 60 day IL, opening some 40 man roster spots.
I feel bad for the kid he’s got talent. He just doesn’t know how to use it. Best of luck to him wherever he goes.
Correct, but the Marlins took over as legal counsel arguing for the Twins' figure. There was nothing preventing the Marlins from accepting his figure or offering a settlement. It's more the principle that put them in this situation.
They can put Taylor out there too in an all defense configuration. He's one of the best outfield defenders in the game.
Right, but all you need to do is look at Moore's baserunning metrics and sprint speed to know he's a near-elite baserunner.
So an inability to move on the basepaths was not the factor hindering him from scoring runs, it was the Mariners being pretty bad as a team at hitting with RISP (they were also bad at moving guys up, IIRC).
Still have to believe the Twins will trade probably Kepler over any of the others. I wouldn't give him away, I still see him benefiting from the non-shift rule. Has to be right now one of if not the top defensive outfield. Kepler could have easily won the gold glove last year.
There should be a way to downvote an article. This is terrible news!
Another dude who spiked in 2019. Hmm ...
'lighten up on Brais'
Did you even understand my post?
I don’t think Thompson is really in the mix for a rotation spot. His performance last year in the pen was much better than in his starts. He and Alzolay would give the pen 2 guys who could go multiple innings or piggyback a start. Wesneski will be the fifth starter I believe.
Polanco was the starting 2B regardless of Arraez's presence.