As well he should! He’s made a few decisions I didn’t agree with. But it’s a 162 game season, all managers have their moments. I think he’s a good manager.
The bottom line is that the roster isn’t good enough. Harper was brought in to carry the team through their slumps. We’re seeing why there wasn’t a market for him now... because he’s not that good! Realmuto was supposed to get better once he left Marlins Park but guess what? He’s AVERAGE. Add in a AAA pitching staff and there’s no argument to be made that Gabe should be gone.
For what they spent on Harper, they could have got 3 or 4 stop-gap players, continue to build the farm system and address their starting pitching woes. They spent stupid money instead of smart money...now their stuck with the lot.
The bullpen needed work...3rd base needed work...aside of Nola & Arrietta, no one on the starting staff is MLB ready!
Why is Harper hitting 3rd? Ego? Wasn't it Girardi who hit A-Rod 9th? Kap is a fine human being, and a passionate manager, but he manages with his heart too much, gotta manage more with his head! Bat Harper 7th & Franco 8th, see where this team goes. Surround Hoskins with Realmuto & Bruce. Who you gonna pitch around there? Move Harper back up when he starts hitting.
Do i think Harper will figure it out? maybe to an extent. But as far as him earning every dollar of that contract, I highly doubt it. Phillies fans are very disappointed so far, doesnt mean he cant turn it around though.
Time for Cards to just recoil and plan for the future. The Dodgers are going to blow past all NL competitors on their way to the World Series once again. Might as well hold on to their prospects and hope for better luck next year.
Cmart is all around a better pitcher than Hicks. I don't see the need for any trades whatsoever. He is a huge talent but if we are being honest he is fairly easy to replace at this stage of his career. Hope he recovers well!
What has Harper done to deserve a 330 million dollar contract though? 1 MVP season? Just felt like the Phils spent stupidly and not smart, but i shouldnt talk, my teams pitching is not exactly lighting it up either hahaha.
The curveball machine will be in our parade. We can have Charlie Manuel next year. Kapler didn't bench Segura so everything is his fault. Anyone blaming Harper dosn't watch the team....Harper...the guy who has played better then anyone not named Scott kingrey sine cutch want down....the dude is literly carrying the team with no one around him doing anything. At least he is getting on base.
Is it Kapler’s fault that his two best starters in Nola and Arrieta have 4.00+ ERA’s? Was he the guy that put $330M on a player barely hitting above a .800 OPS? Not replacing Franco with Moose? His other acquisitions not doing well? Phillies fans shouldn’t just put all the blame on Kapler, the reason they’re doing bad is because most of their expected top contributors not named Rhys Hoskins have been very underwhelming.
The issue here is the Phils wasted all their money on Harper who is having a disappointing start to a 330 million dollar contract. Should have used that money and fixed the rotation and bullpen. An above average outfielder would have been fine for Philly instead of blowing money on him. I think the Phils will figure it out though.
i cant say kapler deserves to be fired, but i almost dont know what else would shock this team into playing better. sure the BP is riddled with injuries and they have only 3 viable staters, but the offense has no excuses. whats the change there that gets it going?
Time for the Cards to finalize the deal for Smith and Bungarner now. Throw O’Neill into the deal and a high minor league pitcher along with the other pieces needed.
No, the evidence is pretty clear unless you’re Ryan or Chapman, throw real hard and you’ll soon break down. Pitchers don’t get injured nearly as often as throwers.
Except putting both leagues in DH situation removes the need to PH and double switch and yes even the occasional thought of removing the pitcher. If you have a pitcher who is at 93+ pitches in the 7th but they are rolling do you continue with them if the game is close? There are numerous instances and opportunities that are lost with a DH. AL baseball is boring because the lineup you put out does not change(aside from maybe the occasional defensive replacement). There is A LOT that goes on in an NL game that most AL fans do not know and can confuse them.
Say "Miller’s resurgence, too, has been a vital development" out loud. It's not proper English. "Too" needs to be at the end of the sentence. A bad miss by the editor who missed this, to say nothing of the writer who wrote it.
Why do guys like Hicks always feel like they have to max out whenever they’re on a mound? I mean, what’s wrong with hitting 98-100 mph consistently with better control and never getting hurt?? If that was the case, he might still be a starter.
That's a major wrench in the woks. I'm not gonna blame the kid's ability to throw 100+ mph as the reason, like so many are. TJ surgery is pretty common among pitchers no matter the mph they throw. The fact is, throwing overhand is just not a natural motion.
Don't rush or be rushed, Jordan. You are young and have many years ahead, hopefully.
The Mets are a joke,they apologize to the reporter that ask that question.Any major league manger would be pissed if ask if the higher ups would allow him to make a on field move.This time I have to agree with the met manager
Was bound to happen with someone throwing that hard...thought he would last longer then that though...Martinez steps up...cardinals have depth but this one hurts
@justacubsfan, your last sentence about inferior baseball is your opinion. Some of us will brag all we like about National League baseball, and to us it isn’t inferior. But thanks for trying.
That’s my guess: he’s being particular about where he plays and how much he’s paid, and if he doesn’t get what he wants he’s content to sit it out. He wouldn’t be the first or last veteran to approach possible retirement that way
Wow I’m so shocked a guy throwing 105 mph gets hurt. No seriously though I wish him the best. Big blow for the cards cause Miller hasn’t quite been Miller this year
As a Cub fan I think this sucks. I'd never wish this on anyone, even a cardinal. I guess this is almost expected when you throw that hard. It's too bad but I'm still hoping for a great race, I'd love to beat those guys when they're at full strength though. Get well soon Mr. Hicks.
Guessed wrong on Brantley? Since you have the crystal ball, please give us the lottery numbers for Wednesday night.
$18mil was a lot for a small market team to invest on a guy that hasn’t been able to stay healthy. Their training staff knows his health all too much, and it’s early yet so you never know if he breaks down before the ASG.
They got Caleb Smith for pennies and have about 5-6 other promising young arms. They aren’t close to contention and they think it’s selling high on Smith for more positional player prospects—more power to them. Trading from a surplus isn’t a bad move when you’re so deficient in other areas.
When does this cycle end? The groom prospects into talent to become major league talent and then flop them for other prospects...rinse, cycle, repeat...
Like I always say, MLB needs a salary cap, a ceiling and a floor.
But obviously he’d have to be able to generate those groundballs and throw strikes in shorter bursts. That in itself is no guarantee but it’s a much easier task than asking to do it for an entire start.
His numbers the first time through the order are much better this year but he’s still walked 22 in 31 innings and that’s completely unacceptable. His GB rate is only around 50% the last 2 years as well. So there is no guarantee that’s the magic solution either. However, given his prior success there with numbers to support it, it’s a reasonable suggestion that Toronto should try it.
Sanchez was a good reliever. 2015 he only allowed 2 XBH and only walked 7 in 26.1 innings. His horrible bottom line and FIP numbers came from when he was starting. He walked 37 in 66 innings and his WOBA was nearly a .150 points higher than it was as a reliever. He’s not a strikeout artist in either role but that does not mean he can’t be successful. FIP is not a very relevant metric for Sanchez if he’s generating nearly 65% of his balls in play on the ground as he was doing in 2014/2015 in a relief capacity.
He was very good then. Maybe he could find that success again. He hasn’t found that success in the rotation since 2016 but like Zack Britton if he can generate that many groundballs out of the bullpen there is potential for a dangerous weapon. GB pitchers do not need hefty K rates.
I think these Jays fans are absolute correct in their assessment. I hadn’t delved into those numbers but if he’s able to generate groundballs and throw strikes in a shorter capacity they’ll have a useful piece. And he absolutely did prove himself in the past as a reliever.
You’re in an article openly questioning whether Sanchez has any trade value arguing you were right that his unsustained numbers were proven sustainable...
Are you tragically stubborn or just laughably dumb? He’s been ineffective when healthy for 2 straight seasons, so your eye test is decidedly myopic if you think anything about his actual performance validates your inane rantings
You literally have to ignore 2 and a half seasons worth of data to prove your point. Go away and let the adults talk baseball.
As long as Hays comes back healthy and relatively productive we’ll see him in CF. Broxton is just holding his spot warm. I can almost guarantee we’ll see Akin sometime in late July or August. He’s scuffled of late but barring a real struggle I think we’ll see what we have there. Ynoa and the opener slot in the rotation will have to be addressed at some point. I think that’ll be Akin and Eshelman’s slot to fill in. Once we DFA Wotherspoon and Gilmartin. You have to keep in mind that Cashner could be on the move as well.
Mountcastle is a question mark just because of how many 1B types we have on the roster. If Mancini is dealt I suspect you may see him but if not he will be in AAA.
Steven - Watching Boston this weekend, dropping the 5th starter and potentially their #4 would make them much stronger and very dangerous if they win the WC game. They could have Sale and Price still take care of 4 of the 5 games in the ALDS. I agree with you 100%.
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2015 is looking more and more like the outlier.
As well he should! He’s made a few decisions I didn’t agree with. But it’s a 162 game season, all managers have their moments. I think he’s a good manager.
The bottom line is that the roster isn’t good enough. Harper was brought in to carry the team through their slumps. We’re seeing why there wasn’t a market for him now... because he’s not that good! Realmuto was supposed to get better once he left Marlins Park but guess what? He’s AVERAGE. Add in a AAA pitching staff and there’s no argument to be made that Gabe should be gone.
Even the Yankees stopped trying to build their teams through free agency.......silly Phillies.
Harper is just as bad as he was last year. What were they expecting? Also, enjoy the next 12 years haha
For what they spent on Harper, they could have got 3 or 4 stop-gap players, continue to build the farm system and address their starting pitching woes. They spent stupid money instead of smart money...now their stuck with the lot.
The bullpen needed work...3rd base needed work...aside of Nola & Arrietta, no one on the starting staff is MLB ready!
Why is Harper hitting 3rd? Ego? Wasn't it Girardi who hit A-Rod 9th? Kap is a fine human being, and a passionate manager, but he manages with his heart too much, gotta manage more with his head! Bat Harper 7th & Franco 8th, see where this team goes. Surround Hoskins with Realmuto & Bruce. Who you gonna pitch around there? Move Harper back up when he starts hitting.
I don't know why they didn't sign Keuchel
Do i think Harper will figure it out? maybe to an extent. But as far as him earning every dollar of that contract, I highly doubt it. Phillies fans are very disappointed so far, doesnt mean he cant turn it around though.
Time for Cards to just recoil and plan for the future. The Dodgers are going to blow past all NL competitors on their way to the World Series once again. Might as well hold on to their prospects and hope for better luck next year.
Cmart is all around a better pitcher than Hicks. I don't see the need for any trades whatsoever. He is a huge talent but if we are being honest he is fairly easy to replace at this stage of his career. Hope he recovers well!
You're assuming he's mentally handicapped because he said a true statement?
What has Harper done to deserve a 330 million dollar contract though? 1 MVP season? Just felt like the Phils spent stupidly and not smart, but i shouldnt talk, my teams pitching is not exactly lighting it up either hahaha.
The curveball machine will be in our parade. We can have Charlie Manuel next year. Kapler didn't bench Segura so everything is his fault. Anyone blaming Harper dosn't watch the team....Harper...the guy who has played better then anyone not named Scott kingrey sine cutch want down....the dude is literly carrying the team with no one around him doing anything. At least he is getting on base.
Is it Kapler’s fault that his two best starters in Nola and Arrieta have 4.00+ ERA’s? Was he the guy that put $330M on a player barely hitting above a .800 OPS? Not replacing Franco with Moose? His other acquisitions not doing well? Phillies fans shouldn’t just put all the blame on Kapler, the reason they’re doing bad is because most of their expected top contributors not named Rhys Hoskins have been very underwhelming.
I’m not a Harper guy, I wanted Machado, but you can’t quantify the deal as a waste after half a season.
Yes, until Varitek retired, Mariners fans were still bringing that up in forums, with good reason. Of course we’ve had a lot to complain about since.
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Bruh
The issue here is the Phils wasted all their money on Harper who is having a disappointing start to a 330 million dollar contract. Should have used that money and fixed the rotation and bullpen. An above average outfielder would have been fine for Philly instead of blowing money on him. I think the Phils will figure it out though.
Trout killed the LA Angels’ chance?
i cant say kapler deserves to be fired, but i almost dont know what else would shock this team into playing better. sure the BP is riddled with injuries and they have only 3 viable staters, but the offense has no excuses. whats the change there that gets it going?
Wasnt my vote
Lay of the booze pinstripes.
Or I will attack
And you don’t want that
Time for the Cards to finalize the deal for Smith and Bungarner now. Throw O’Neill into the deal and a high minor league pitcher along with the other pieces needed.
Curious. Did your school bus only have 6 rows of seats?
No Palka ?
Cards need Smith from the Giants. Hopefully this puts the g men in position for a strong return.
Given the track record of guys with TJ surgery, he'll come back throwing 94 or 110.
Sorry, Caucasian ears
No, the evidence is pretty clear unless you’re Ryan or Chapman, throw real hard and you’ll soon break down. Pitchers don’t get injured nearly as often as throwers.
Must be mike Mathenys fault!
Jon Jay. The most over rated player in baseball.
Calling Ken Giles
Called it. Hicks TJ
Yes, plus he also probably wouldn't have needed TJ.
Except putting both leagues in DH situation removes the need to PH and double switch and yes even the occasional thought of removing the pitcher. If you have a pitcher who is at 93+ pitches in the 7th but they are rolling do you continue with them if the game is close? There are numerous instances and opportunities that are lost with a DH. AL baseball is boring because the lineup you put out does not change(aside from maybe the occasional defensive replacement). There is A LOT that goes on in an NL game that most AL fans do not know and can confuse them.
Poor kid, hope he'll be back soon. Hard throwers like him rarely don't tear their UCL.
Lol, I actually just looked it up. First written documentation 1984. Oh snap
find something else to do. anything.
Hahaha.
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Ouch. This article must be fake. No impact to worlds best organization with 'all that pitching depth.'
Enjoy.
Say "Miller’s resurgence, too, has been a vital development" out loud. It's not proper English. "Too" needs to be at the end of the sentence. A bad miss by the editor who missed this, to say nothing of the writer who wrote it.
Why do guys like Hicks always feel like they have to max out whenever they’re on a mound? I mean, what’s wrong with hitting 98-100 mph consistently with better control and never getting hurt?? If that was the case, he might still be a starter.
That's a major wrench in the woks. I'm not gonna blame the kid's ability to throw 100+ mph as the reason, like so many are. TJ surgery is pretty common among pitchers no matter the mph they throw. The fact is, throwing overhand is just not a natural motion.
Don't rush or be rushed, Jordan. You are young and have many years ahead, hopefully.
Team is run by a bunch of damn buffoons
Nope. 2000.
This is 1990:
"1990, Chubb Rock jumps up on the scene
with a lean and a pocket full of green
The green doesn't symbolize I made it on the top
But Robocop last year was a shock..."
The Mets are a joke,they apologize to the reporter that ask that question.Any major league manger would be pissed if ask if the higher ups would allow him to make a on field move.This time I have to agree with the met manager
I thought that was the case. I vaguely remember being disappointed.
It’s fine, it gives me something to be upset about on a near daily basis.
Who didn’t predict this?
Stephen A. Smith, is that you?
Was bound to happen with someone throwing that hard...thought he would last longer then that though...Martinez steps up...cardinals have depth but this one hurts
@justacubsfan, your last sentence about inferior baseball is your opinion. Some of us will brag all we like about National League baseball, and to us it isn’t inferior. But thanks for trying.
Will Smith + Mark Melancon trade looming for the cards? Both have been solid.
This sucks. One of my favorite pitchers to watch
Sorry to hear that about Hicks, hes a flamethrower. Us brewer fans know the pain when Knebel went down.
Well Trevor Rosenthal is available Cardinals Fans
@DS1, you just answered your own question. They are different leagues, both are major league, but different leagues.
Insane bud....keep dreaming.
I’m shocked. Throwing 105 mph sinkers would damage his elbow. Never would have guessed
All kidding aside, this sucks. Kid is electric
Gant has pitched a lot of innings and the season is not even half over.....
That pitch face gets an A
How 1990 of you.
It’s time to stick a fork in Despaigne’s career.
Terrible.
Gant the closer now???
Bullpen was the only organizational strength in the minor leagues before this last couple of years. Its fine
That’s my guess: he’s being particular about where he plays and how much he’s paid, and if he doesn’t get what he wants he’s content to sit it out. He wouldn’t be the first or last veteran to approach possible retirement that way
Wow I’m so shocked a guy throwing 105 mph gets hurt. No seriously though I wish him the best. Big blow for the cards cause Miller hasn’t quite been Miller this year
As a Cub fan I think this sucks. I'd never wish this on anyone, even a cardinal. I guess this is almost expected when you throw that hard. It's too bad but I'm still hoping for a great race, I'd love to beat those guys when they're at full strength though. Get well soon Mr. Hicks.
That’s brutal.
Bound to happen when ur firing it up full blast every pitch
Oh SNAP.
Damn that's the last thing the Cardinals needed right now. Wish him well in his recovery.
Salas has usually been serviceable. They could do a lot worse for a bullpen addition.
Mets won a pennant in 2015.. Trade was worth it..
Amazingly Hicks just tore his UCL.
damn it
That just sucks, and I’m not even a Cards fan. Here’s to a full recovery.
Torn UCl for hicks
Guessed wrong on Brantley? Since you have the crystal ball, please give us the lottery numbers for Wednesday night.
$18mil was a lot for a small market team to invest on a guy that hasn’t been able to stay healthy. Their training staff knows his health all too much, and it’s early yet so you never know if he breaks down before the ASG.
They got Caleb Smith for pennies and have about 5-6 other promising young arms. They aren’t close to contention and they think it’s selling high on Smith for more positional player prospects—more power to them. Trading from a surplus isn’t a bad move when you’re so deficient in other areas.
Gant coulda helped out in the Mets Bullpen. Thank you Sandy!
When does this cycle end? The groom prospects into talent to become major league talent and then flop them for other prospects...rinse, cycle, repeat...
Like I always say, MLB needs a salary cap, a ceiling and a floor.
That would cost money. The worst owner in baseball is against that
But obviously he’d have to be able to generate those groundballs and throw strikes in shorter bursts. That in itself is no guarantee but it’s a much easier task than asking to do it for an entire start.
His numbers the first time through the order are much better this year but he’s still walked 22 in 31 innings and that’s completely unacceptable. His GB rate is only around 50% the last 2 years as well. So there is no guarantee that’s the magic solution either. However, given his prior success there with numbers to support it, it’s a reasonable suggestion that Toronto should try it.
Trout killed his chance? Is that what you meant? Autocorrect can be a pain in the A sometimes...
At this point, it can't get any worse. So may as well.
I was responded by to ejemp, if that wasn’t clear
Sanchez was a good reliever. 2015 he only allowed 2 XBH and only walked 7 in 26.1 innings. His horrible bottom line and FIP numbers came from when he was starting. He walked 37 in 66 innings and his WOBA was nearly a .150 points higher than it was as a reliever. He’s not a strikeout artist in either role but that does not mean he can’t be successful. FIP is not a very relevant metric for Sanchez if he’s generating nearly 65% of his balls in play on the ground as he was doing in 2014/2015 in a relief capacity.
He was very good then. Maybe he could find that success again. He hasn’t found that success in the rotation since 2016 but like Zack Britton if he can generate that many groundballs out of the bullpen there is potential for a dangerous weapon. GB pitchers do not need hefty K rates.
I think these Jays fans are absolute correct in their assessment. I hadn’t delved into those numbers but if he’s able to generate groundballs and throw strikes in a shorter capacity they’ll have a useful piece. And he absolutely did prove himself in the past as a reliever.
Are you ever going to start?
You’re in an article openly questioning whether Sanchez has any trade value arguing you were right that his unsustained numbers were proven sustainable...
Are you tragically stubborn or just laughably dumb? He’s been ineffective when healthy for 2 straight seasons, so your eye test is decidedly myopic if you think anything about his actual performance validates your inane rantings
You literally have to ignore 2 and a half seasons worth of data to prove your point. Go away and let the adults talk baseball.
This right here is the most hilarious hot take I've seen on this site in a long time. Good Lord.
Or Adrian Gonzalez.
Was thinking the exact same thing... would love to see what Vaughn can do for the Sox.
Frazier is better than both
As long as Hays comes back healthy and relatively productive we’ll see him in CF. Broxton is just holding his spot warm. I can almost guarantee we’ll see Akin sometime in late July or August. He’s scuffled of late but barring a real struggle I think we’ll see what we have there. Ynoa and the opener slot in the rotation will have to be addressed at some point. I think that’ll be Akin and Eshelman’s slot to fill in. Once we DFA Wotherspoon and Gilmartin. You have to keep in mind that Cashner could be on the move as well.
Mountcastle is a question mark just because of how many 1B types we have on the roster. If Mancini is dealt I suspect you may see him but if not he will be in AAA.
Steven - Watching Boston this weekend, dropping the 5th starter and potentially their #4 would make them much stronger and very dangerous if they win the WC game. They could have Sale and Price still take care of 4 of the 5 games in the ALDS. I agree with you 100%.
I have a hard time believing Cleveland would accept a package where Frazier is the headliner
id be for shields if the balls werent juiced
And Dylan Cease has been as bad as these bums, except in AAA. Sox rebuild still has a long way to go.
I didn't know Jon Bon Jovi played center field.
Jon Jay is basically Leury Garcia this year, so yeah, would be great if they had a crystal ball before the year.