It’s why it would have to work ifPrice’s contract is involved. Padres aren’t going to give up 2 top prospects just to unload Myers’ contract and get a 1 year rental
Realistically if the Sox are taking Myers and his
contract and the Padres aren't sending their top 5 prospects in return the Padres will have to build a huge list of guys to get the Sox equal value. I think a trade of that magnitude would look silly... But something like this
Padres get:
Mookie Betts
Red Sox get:
Wil Myers, Josh Naylor, Manuel Margot, Michel Baez, Ryan Weathers, Tucupita Marcano, Hudson Potts, Ronald Bolanos, Reggie Lawson, Gabriel Arias, Competetive balance pick
That's a huge package, obviously, but somewhere around what I'd expect to see were this to go through.
If Mr Bloom dares trade Mookie for the USELESS Will Myers and prospect {s} that are NOT among the Padre's top 5 prospects RSN will run his ASS right out of town !!! Sox do not need Myers at all.
I'm also a Sox fan, and I have to disagree about the Sox rotation. There's tons of potential, no doubt. But there's also tons of risk. The Sox are relying on a guy coming off of TJ, a guy that won't be healthy until the middle of the year, a guy coming off a bad season and their ace is coming off of a breakout season. The last part sounds great, but it's not as though he has a long track record of dominance at this level.
As much as I love the moves they've made on offense, it still feels as though they could use one more steady, reliable arm in the rotation. We'll see though. Hopefully they're in contention by the trade deadline and can add an arm if needed. Hopefully it all pans out and they don't even need that much.
With the Houson 2017-19 cheating scandal I truly feel Houston players will need to jump ship to restart their careers elsewhere to attempt to gain credibility back now. I see the Houston franchise in dire straits in a few years when FA's start jumping ship. They do have. a great Farm system still, but they will need their 'core players' to keep this going, and now all these Houston all-stars will be tainted as long as they are in Houston. Just my thoughts, but if that is the case AL-West will have a new leader in 2021-22. Seattle will be in a great position 2021 & beyond. Dipoto will need to pony up next offseason and splurge on an ACE SP in order to take the pressure off of the SP prospects coming up in 2021. I also don't see Seager being moved, and us running with Seager at 3B until his contract runs out after 2022. 3B in our Farm is the only Farm weakness we have at the present. 3B Sheldon we picked up in Round 5 last year impressed this year, but I'm not sure he will end up being the caliber prospect like we have in our upcoming OF's (Kelenic, Julio Lewis. )So I see Dipoto attempting to pickup the best 3B prospect in the 2020 draft & doing what he did last year and selecting mostly all pitching in most of the rounds again.
I hope this trade goes thru. Pads would b fun to watch if they can get some pitching prospects to become rotation guys. But I’m also a Yanks fan and want Betts gone from there lineup because he’s damn good. But being realistic the only way the Sox take Myers is if the Pads take Price. And those bad contracts cancel each other out. So the prospects going to the Sox from the Pads have to equal the value of Betts. Which then puts them into the Gore territory type prospect return.
He has a lot of competition in the outfield free agency market. A random team might offer him a minor league deal because they like him personally, but I'm thinking given his 1.8 WAR in 83 games last year that he feels he should be on a major league roster. He might not get that.
The guy who has also said he wants to play in 2020, and is curiously still free is Russell Martin. With some pretty bad catchers getting minor league contracts now, Martin is pretty clearly the best available catcher on the market. Like after Martin it's probably Jesus Sucre... or Rafael Lopez.
You're not a Braves fan so you don't understand how the Braves value Riley. For us, Braves fans, his statement makes sense. Donaldson would have been nice to have for 2 years, 4 years with an option for a 5th is way too long.
Keith Law was wrong. The worst farm system was his Toronto Blue Jays the day he left the franchise. Law's work in Toronto was abysmal. He is not a credible authoritarian on farm systems, scouting or assessing prospects.
Good job Johnny listing some specific prospects. Of these packages, I think the Padres’ package is strongest, followed by the Dbacks, with the Mets’ package far behind those two.
Only correction I would make is that the Dbacks don’t need starting pitchers, they already have 6 strong starters for this year, and 5 others in the wings to cover losses in 2021, and then their prospect pitching depth really matures starting in 2022. So, I don’t think the Dbacks are that interested in trading for a package that includes another starter.
Myers has averaged less than 1.4 war/yr over 7 seasons in his entire career.
He's 29 headed to 30. Last year was negative war. Doesn't hit for average, and even with the juiced ball last year didn't have 20hr power.
Myers is owed 68.5/3 yrs or 87.5/4 depending how you view the option/buyout at the end.
In what world, what-so-ever, is there ANY value to acquiring myers? Please explain omitting attaching a top prospect, since that is apparently off-the-table.
With Brexit going through it makes sense that Pence would come back. But I am surprised that Schilling didn’t do better. I mean he hardly ever got pounded.
I think Donaldson's contract would have been a liability in the NL. But with the Twins, I think he'll be worth it enough that they'll pick up his 5th year option.
Send Myers to the Tigers with a high-end bat or 2 and you can have your choice of a couple low-end prospects, Miggy signed ball, Rob Deer game used bat, etc.
Adding Myers takes the Pirates payroll roughly around where it was last year. There's no reason they can't take his contract to improve the prospect return for Marte. But...Bob Nutting.
Kid, I wasn’t implying that my team is better than yours. Fact is, the Angels and Mariners both have a lot of work to do. The reason for my post is that less than a year after DiPoto left, Keith Law from ESPN said the Angels had the worst farm system he’d ever seen. You can Google it. He said it in February 2016.
If DiPoto gets the Mariners to the WS, then I congratulate him. Maybe he’s grown as a GM in the last 4 years. What makes me skeptical, though, is that DiPoto had to trade a lot of his MLB talent (Paxton, Cano, etc.) to get the farm system to look the way it does right now. Am I wrong about that? You would know better than me since you follow the Mariners closer than me.
Either way, maybe he can make this current group of prospects work. We’ll see.
Exactly. These comment boards are filled with fans making lowball offers to the Pirates. Even if Marte's defence has slightly declined, he still has one of the strongest outfield arms in baseball, which would make him an elite defender on the corners while being a 20/20 hitter.
They aren't close to the luxury tax. For now. You want to pay for a guy who's numbers offensively and defensively will inevitably take a backslide after 2020. There is spending and spending wisely. Handing out a 4-year deal to a guy turning 35 years old in 2020 is a death wish. Be prepared to redact your statements.
Hosmer is probaby even harder to move than myers on contract term/cost alone, ignoring trade clauses.
Preller blew his wad on machado, and now is forced to thread the needle for the duration of that deal.
What happens when the young guys get arb raises? Hosmer and machado will still eat a lions share of payroll.
Unloading myers really only let's you add salary until arb money rolls in, so, right now the window of adding salary just about exactly matches myers deal. If they're forced to keep myers, then his salary savings After 2022 immediately spend on arb eligible guys.
Preller better start making the postseason in 2020, 2021, and 2022 to get more revenue in, or the future looks rough with lots of trying to trade young productive arb-eligible players for prospects.
The Mets, Padres & D-Backs all are interested in Marte and also could use some pitching help. Marte could be packaged w/ a pitcher to any of these teams for a package of prospects to fill several of their needs. Each of these teams have interesting prospects Cherington could choose from; Mets have C Alvarez, LHPers Peterson & Szapucki plus ranked SS prospect Gimenez, the Padres have C Campusano, LHPers Weathers & Morejon, INF Marcano & OF Olivares, the D-Backs have C Varsho, RHPers Kelly & Malone, SS Peguero & OFer Patino.
Who's to say Riley can't hit 40 Hrs. a year? He sure was great for a few weeks last year. Half of Donaldson's Hr. total in about a third of a season. Riley will be a lot cheaper than 92 million in the next 4-5 years. Let greedy Josh go where the money is, nothing really wrong with that if that is what you want. If he really wanted to win, go to the playoffs and have a chance at the World Series, which team gives him the best chance, either he thought Minn. was that team, better than the Braves or it was the $$$$$.
Mets have a couple of intriguing players. JD Davis, Dominic Smith come to mind as players who could be part of the package headlined by the Mets top prospects.
I hope the Mets and Pirates stay far apart on Marte. He is not a significant enough upgrade over Nimmo to justify the difference in cost. I'd much rather improve from health within. A healthy and productive Cespedes would be worth whatever incentives he reaches.
Best part is everyone thinking myers is the problem in San Diego when in reality it’s hosmer. Hosmer is the anchor holding them back both financially and in terms lineup construction.
Myers needs to be at 1b and not worn down physically based on his 2 years at 1b the numbers don’t lie.
Average of 29 doubles, 29 homers, 24 steals, 330 obp and 460 slug. 90 runs and 84 RBI. All with one of baseballs worst lineups around him and worst ball parks while hitting in 2 spot in ‘16.
With better park dimensions and lineup around him those numbers have value. Just need to put him back at 1b where he belongs
Always love the “yinzer” tag, as if that’s some kind of rip against anyone who lives here. How moronic
I didn’t like Walker and Cutch being traded because they still had value and yes, they are actual residents and good ambassadors for the team and city. Maybe that’s hard for you to comprehend
Very difficult to say if either would make sense now, particularly because Walker is an infielder and really, does the team need more of those when OF, P and C are threadbare here. And it’s difficult because it looks as though Cherrington is being methodical and meticulous in evaluating players.
But the team’s first big trade will speak volumes. The last GM was adept at equally giving away vets and prized prospects.
What do you mean they haven't spent any money??? Their cusp of a breakthrough is their youth. Each year they get a little older and more experienced. Look what a leap Sorko, Fried and Acuna had from 2018 to 2019. They are in it for the long-haul, hopefully, 8-10 yrs. not just for a couple of years. Spend the money on the players they have now and the ones coming.
Wrong. Price is overpaid, but he's still a good pitcher. Problem is he's getting paid ace money when he's not a legit ace anymore. Myers is garbage and getting paid All-Star money. Way, way worse contract to be stuck with.
@Sheik_Yerbutay, most Angels fans said the same thing when Clevenger was traded to Cleveland. Well he won’t be very good. So I would not trade Adell for Clevenger. Especially since they want both Adell and Marsh.
Listen, you so-called Braves fans. Stop your complaining. The Braves have been the same way for many years, they are not big spenders or cheap, however, you want to say it. I think that is a good thing, sort-of. I don't really want the Braves to be the Yankee's or Dodger's, a team that can buy their WS. The Braves rebuilt for a reason, to get good young prospects/players hoping they will turn into good/great players. That will be affordable/cheap for a few years. Then maybe sign them as they did Acuna and Albies. I think the team is pretty well set. You people that want to trade Ender for any reason, just to trade him, Acuna isn't the Center Fielder Ender is, at this point anyway.
The Padres should make a reasonable offer for Betts but not in any deal that includes Price. No team should be interested in taking Price unless Boston is paying most of his contract as part of the deal.
They aren't getting two top five prospects from anyone for a one year rental. Let alone from a top 3 system. Literally everything I've read on the subject specifically states that not one of the top five prospects would be included in the deal. A swing and a miss there fella.
I get a kick out of all the players that people around here say ought to go to the AL and be a DH. There are only 15 DH spots available and yet people discuss upwards of 100 players that should do it. It really is comical.
I agree fannclub6.!!!! Consistent hitting was the glaring problem in 2019. Now—- without a bonafide Clean up hitter to date. Their offense currently looks weaker than 2019.
welp, there goes my secret weapon SP with RP eligibility late round fantasy pick once again. In all seriousness though good luck to him, even though I'm a Reds fan I love watching this guy pitch, he's pure electricity when he's on
@javia- in what world is a negative war player, who in 7 years has accumulated just over 9 war combined (averaging under 1.4 war/season during his PEAK production years) worth 29.5m in positive value over 3 years when he turns 30 in 2020?
Myers is owed 68.5m/3 yrs or 87.5m/4 yrs. You mean to tell me he could pull down a 10m/yr 3 yr deal as a free agent right now?
Myers is, optimistically, negative 60m in value all by himself.
You are right... I still move Csrps contract and throw the dice on an extension... Sox just ain't getting the cream of the crop prospects... maybe O'niell or Thomas and a lower end prospect. Ifbthat isn't enough for one year then good luck wiith Myers!
This deal isn’t happening it’s a joke. The Red Sox aren’t trading Betts and taking on Myers full contract that would be asinine. The only way it happens is if Patino plus a couple of others and by others I mean useful pieces not just fillers.
I will be shocked if a deal comes together especially because San Diego is saying we want Betts but you have to take back Will Myers and now if our top 5 are on the table. Nothing to see here it’s a non story.
Dom Smith, JD Davis and a top 10 organizational pitching prospect would probably get it done for the Mets, and their roster breakdown would look a lot more defined.
McNeill 3B
Marte CF
Alonso 1B
Conforto LF
Cespedes RF
Cano 2B
Catcher
Rosario SS
I like what the Mets have done with their rotation as well. Remlinger and Wacha could turn out to be major bargains with incentive to pitch well to score a large contact next year.
I think that’s exactly what he did with Matt Hall, and we ended up getting a catching prospect out of it. I believe/hope that’s what he’ll do with all the outfielders in Toledo, give those guys a chance before signing someone like Puig.
yeah you're not gonna get me to bite on that when talking about st Louis. they're consistently in the playoff picture while never having to completely tear down a roster. they have down years, sure, but it's pretty nitpicky to complain about one if the most consistent franchises in all of the big 4 major American sports. they're not perfect, but no one is. when other franchises openly discuss modeling their own philosophies after st Louis, I'd say they're doing something right. haters gonna hate.
Assuming Padres give up actual prospects and not lower prospect fodder, they will regret this when Betts departs in 1 year. But you know those desperate GMs that want to keep their jobs overpay so you never know.
I guess you don’t understand that the playoffs are a crapshoot. Lindor might get them into the playoffs the next year or two, but then you’re left with nothing. And he hardly makes them the favorites to win the WS. The LA Dodgers are Exhibit A as a high quality team that can’t get over the hump. I’d rather keep Senzel as a stud in CF for the next 5-6 years. Five tool players in centerfield are as rare as five tool players at shortstop.
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No one really knows what he guinea do.
Get both signed, Hill!!
What does Brexit have to do with Hunter Pence?
Never will, you a cubs fan right?
It’s why it would have to work ifPrice’s contract is involved. Padres aren’t going to give up 2 top prospects just to unload Myers’ contract and get a 1 year rental
Until Adell comes up, the Angels have three outfielders.
I'd love this guy as a fourth outfielder platooning with Goodwin. Mainly because I love watching him play.
Oh sure let's also give the Padres our best pitching prospects as well as Mookie at a time the Sox are trying to build up their pitching depth.
Realistically if the Sox are taking Myers and his
contract and the Padres aren't sending their top 5 prospects in return the Padres will have to build a huge list of guys to get the Sox equal value. I think a trade of that magnitude would look silly... But something like this
Padres get:
Mookie Betts
Red Sox get:
Wil Myers, Josh Naylor, Manuel Margot, Michel Baez, Ryan Weathers, Tucupita Marcano, Hudson Potts, Ronald Bolanos, Reggie Lawson, Gabriel Arias, Competetive balance pick
That's a huge package, obviously, but somewhere around what I'd expect to see were this to go through.
Who hangs up?
Gallegos definitely should be. Miller and Helsley to put out fires.
If Mr Bloom dares trade Mookie for the USELESS Will Myers and prospect {s} that are NOT among the Padre's top 5 prospects RSN will run his ASS right out of town !!! Sox do not need Myers at all.
I'm also a Sox fan, and I have to disagree about the Sox rotation. There's tons of potential, no doubt. But there's also tons of risk. The Sox are relying on a guy coming off of TJ, a guy that won't be healthy until the middle of the year, a guy coming off a bad season and their ace is coming off of a breakout season. The last part sounds great, but it's not as though he has a long track record of dominance at this level.
As much as I love the moves they've made on offense, it still feels as though they could use one more steady, reliable arm in the rotation. We'll see though. Hopefully they're in contention by the trade deadline and can add an arm if needed. Hopefully it all pans out and they don't even need that much.
Good luck! Dude is a gamer. Hate to see guys like this and Pedroia fade at the end, so fun to watch. Hopefully someone gives him a decent shot.
With the Houson 2017-19 cheating scandal I truly feel Houston players will need to jump ship to restart their careers elsewhere to attempt to gain credibility back now. I see the Houston franchise in dire straits in a few years when FA's start jumping ship. They do have. a great Farm system still, but they will need their 'core players' to keep this going, and now all these Houston all-stars will be tainted as long as they are in Houston. Just my thoughts, but if that is the case AL-West will have a new leader in 2021-22. Seattle will be in a great position 2021 & beyond. Dipoto will need to pony up next offseason and splurge on an ACE SP in order to take the pressure off of the SP prospects coming up in 2021. I also don't see Seager being moved, and us running with Seager at 3B until his contract runs out after 2022. 3B in our Farm is the only Farm weakness we have at the present. 3B Sheldon we picked up in Round 5 last year impressed this year, but I'm not sure he will end up being the caliber prospect like we have in our upcoming OF's (Kelenic, Julio Lewis. )So I see Dipoto attempting to pickup the best 3B prospect in the 2020 draft & doing what he did last year and selecting mostly all pitching in most of the rounds again.
I hope this trade goes thru. Pads would b fun to watch if they can get some pitching prospects to become rotation guys. But I’m also a Yanks fan and want Betts gone from there lineup because he’s damn good. But being realistic the only way the Sox take Myers is if the Pads take Price. And those bad contracts cancel each other out. So the prospects going to the Sox from the Pads have to equal the value of Betts. Which then puts them into the Gore territory type prospect return.
He has a lot of competition in the outfield free agency market. A random team might offer him a minor league deal because they like him personally, but I'm thinking given his 1.8 WAR in 83 games last year that he feels he should be on a major league roster. He might not get that.
The guy who has also said he wants to play in 2020, and is curiously still free is Russell Martin. With some pretty bad catchers getting minor league contracts now, Martin is pretty clearly the best available catcher on the market. Like after Martin it's probably Jesus Sucre... or Rafael Lopez.
You're not a Braves fan so you don't understand how the Braves value Riley. For us, Braves fans, his statement makes sense. Donaldson would have been nice to have for 2 years, 4 years with an option for a 5th is way too long.
Keith Law was wrong. The worst farm system was his Toronto Blue Jays the day he left the franchise. Law's work in Toronto was abysmal. He is not a credible authoritarian on farm systems, scouting or assessing prospects.
Good job Johnny listing some specific prospects. Of these packages, I think the Padres’ package is strongest, followed by the Dbacks, with the Mets’ package far behind those two.
Only correction I would make is that the Dbacks don’t need starting pitchers, they already have 6 strong starters for this year, and 5 others in the wings to cover losses in 2021, and then their prospect pitching depth really matures starting in 2022. So, I don’t think the Dbacks are that interested in trading for a package that includes another starter.
Lots of delusion on both sides.
Myers has averaged less than 1.4 war/yr over 7 seasons in his entire career.
He's 29 headed to 30. Last year was negative war. Doesn't hit for average, and even with the juiced ball last year didn't have 20hr power.
Myers is owed 68.5/3 yrs or 87.5/4 depending how you view the option/buyout at the end.
In what world, what-so-ever, is there ANY value to acquiring myers? Please explain omitting attaching a top prospect, since that is apparently off-the-table.
Please tell.
With Brexit going through it makes sense that Pence would come back. But I am surprised that Schilling didn’t do better. I mean he hardly ever got pounded.
I would take JD at 4 years $80. But the 4/92 or 5 /100 doesn't make sense for a NL team.
Mookie would look GREAT in Dodger blue!
@alavila
I think Donaldson's contract would have been a liability in the NL. But with the Twins, I think he'll be worth it enough that they'll pick up his 5th year option.
Send Myers to the Tigers with a high-end bat or 2 and you can have your choice of a couple low-end prospects, Miggy signed ball, Rob Deer game used bat, etc.
And he said jdm, mookie, price @ 10m/season are only worth verdugo.
In other news kids, drugs are bad, mmkay?
How about we split the difference and talk Toronto Maple Leafs Intercounty baseball?
Adding Myers takes the Pirates payroll roughly around where it was last year. There's no reason they can't take his contract to improve the prospect return for Marte. But...Bob Nutting.
Kid, I wasn’t implying that my team is better than yours. Fact is, the Angels and Mariners both have a lot of work to do. The reason for my post is that less than a year after DiPoto left, Keith Law from ESPN said the Angels had the worst farm system he’d ever seen. You can Google it. He said it in February 2016.
If DiPoto gets the Mariners to the WS, then I congratulate him. Maybe he’s grown as a GM in the last 4 years. What makes me skeptical, though, is that DiPoto had to trade a lot of his MLB talent (Paxton, Cano, etc.) to get the farm system to look the way it does right now. Am I wrong about that? You would know better than me since you follow the Mariners closer than me.
Either way, maybe he can make this current group of prospects work. We’ll see.
You have to be elderly to remember the Leafs being IN a Stanley Cup final.
The guy crapping on a Dodger franchise taking up for his Padres who dwindle in the bottom side of the NL West on the regular.
Exactly. These comment boards are filled with fans making lowball offers to the Pirates. Even if Marte's defence has slightly declined, he still has one of the strongest outfield arms in baseball, which would make him an elite defender on the corners while being a 20/20 hitter.
They aren't close to the luxury tax. For now. You want to pay for a guy who's numbers offensively and defensively will inevitably take a backslide after 2020. There is spending and spending wisely. Handing out a 4-year deal to a guy turning 35 years old in 2020 is a death wish. Be prepared to redact your statements.
Must be Resistance. Too much contact to be a Stormtrooper.
Hosmer is probaby even harder to move than myers on contract term/cost alone, ignoring trade clauses.
Preller blew his wad on machado, and now is forced to thread the needle for the duration of that deal.
What happens when the young guys get arb raises? Hosmer and machado will still eat a lions share of payroll.
Unloading myers really only let's you add salary until arb money rolls in, so, right now the window of adding salary just about exactly matches myers deal. If they're forced to keep myers, then his salary savings After 2022 immediately spend on arb eligible guys.
Preller better start making the postseason in 2020, 2021, and 2022 to get more revenue in, or the future looks rough with lots of trying to trade young productive arb-eligible players for prospects.
The Mets, Padres & D-Backs all are interested in Marte and also could use some pitching help. Marte could be packaged w/ a pitcher to any of these teams for a package of prospects to fill several of their needs. Each of these teams have interesting prospects Cherington could choose from; Mets have C Alvarez, LHPers Peterson & Szapucki plus ranked SS prospect Gimenez, the Padres have C Campusano, LHPers Weathers & Morejon, INF Marcano & OF Olivares, the D-Backs have C Varsho, RHPers Kelly & Malone, SS Peguero & OFer Patino.
I'll believe these trade ideas when and if they happen.
Who's to say Riley can't hit 40 Hrs. a year? He sure was great for a few weeks last year. Half of Donaldson's Hr. total in about a third of a season. Riley will be a lot cheaper than 92 million in the next 4-5 years. Let greedy Josh go where the money is, nothing really wrong with that if that is what you want. If he really wanted to win, go to the playoffs and have a chance at the World Series, which team gives him the best chance, either he thought Minn. was that team, better than the Braves or it was the $$$$$.
I want to come here and read about my favorite baseball team (bluejays)
Not be reminded that I'll prob never see my favorite hockey team (maple leafs) win a cup in my lifetime
I've seen the Jay's win the WS twice
I'll see the Raptors Win twice most likely
I've seen TFC win a championship
I've seen the Argos win
Watched Donvan Bailey win gold.
Team Canada win gold
But you gotta twist the knife about the leafs
It hurts bro lol
Mets have a couple of intriguing players. JD Davis, Dominic Smith come to mind as players who could be part of the package headlined by the Mets top prospects.
He’s stupid good. His ceiling is as high as anyone’s. He just has to stay healthy
I hope the Mets and Pirates stay far apart on Marte. He is not a significant enough upgrade over Nimmo to justify the difference in cost. I'd much rather improve from health within. A healthy and productive Cespedes would be worth whatever incentives he reaches.
Now remove the money, myers, groome, and cbb pick
So the closer is Andrew Miller until Hicks maybe comes back, maybe at full strength in Julyish?
Agreed. Reasonable deal to exclude myers and hosmer, that is.
Masahiro Tanaka: the best $23 million #5 in baseball
He could also be the next Julio Urias. An over-hyped lefty that ends up becoming an oft-injured middle reliever. Anything can happen.
MLB's my favorite sport by far, but hockey's the best sport to watch live and 2nd's not even close.
Call Rick Hahn and see if Chicago wants Marte. What happened to the DBacks?
I highly disagree with that statement.
Best part is everyone thinking myers is the problem in San Diego when in reality it’s hosmer. Hosmer is the anchor holding them back both financially and in terms lineup construction.
Myers needs to be at 1b and not worn down physically based on his 2 years at 1b the numbers don’t lie.
Average of 29 doubles, 29 homers, 24 steals, 330 obp and 460 slug. 90 runs and 84 RBI. All with one of baseballs worst lineups around him and worst ball parks while hitting in 2 spot in ‘16.
With better park dimensions and lineup around him those numbers have value. Just need to put him back at 1b where he belongs
Because you're only in the box for two minutes?
Always love the “yinzer” tag, as if that’s some kind of rip against anyone who lives here. How moronic
I didn’t like Walker and Cutch being traded because they still had value and yes, they are actual residents and good ambassadors for the team and city. Maybe that’s hard for you to comprehend
Very difficult to say if either would make sense now, particularly because Walker is an infielder and really, does the team need more of those when OF, P and C are threadbare here. And it’s difficult because it looks as though Cherrington is being methodical and meticulous in evaluating players.
But the team’s first big trade will speak volumes. The last GM was adept at equally giving away vets and prized prospects.
What do you mean they haven't spent any money??? Their cusp of a breakthrough is their youth. Each year they get a little older and more experienced. Look what a leap Sorko, Fried and Acuna had from 2018 to 2019. They are in it for the long-haul, hopefully, 8-10 yrs. not just for a couple of years. Spend the money on the players they have now and the ones coming.
“Boyd the Charity Ace” - this correction should make both sides happy
Hypothetical: Betts and a ‘forgotten’ prospect a la Jay Groome + money eat for Myers, Campusano, Baez, Lawson, and maybe a CBB pick?
Wrong. Price is overpaid, but he's still a good pitcher. Problem is he's getting paid ace money when he's not a legit ace anymore. Myers is garbage and getting paid All-Star money. Way, way worse contract to be stuck with.
Won’t argue that Vin
I'll reiterate, Myers sucks.
Agreed Bob. Plus may as well get one more premier draft pick.
You do realize myers is owed 68.5m/3 (including 1m buyout) or 87.5/4 right? Not only 60m?
He’s not a 5th starter on every team. On many teams he’s a mid rotation option and just a year and half ago he was a solid 2.
@Sheik_Yerbutay, most Angels fans said the same thing when Clevenger was traded to Cleveland. Well he won’t be very good. So I would not trade Adell for Clevenger. Especially since they want both Adell and Marsh.
Listen, you so-called Braves fans. Stop your complaining. The Braves have been the same way for many years, they are not big spenders or cheap, however, you want to say it. I think that is a good thing, sort-of. I don't really want the Braves to be the Yankee's or Dodger's, a team that can buy their WS. The Braves rebuilt for a reason, to get good young prospects/players hoping they will turn into good/great players. That will be affordable/cheap for a few years. Then maybe sign them as they did Acuna and Albies. I think the team is pretty well set. You people that want to trade Ender for any reason, just to trade him, Acuna isn't the Center Fielder Ender is, at this point anyway.
The Padres should make a reasonable offer for Betts but not in any deal that includes Price. No team should be interested in taking Price unless Boston is paying most of his contract as part of the deal.
He was ranked 6th best CFer last season so I think it is the fans that are under valuing Marte not the league..
They aren't getting two top five prospects from anyone for a one year rental. Let alone from a top 3 system. Literally everything I've read on the subject specifically states that not one of the top five prospects would be included in the deal. A swing and a miss there fella.
Dumbo traded Boston farm for Kimbrel and Pomeranz
I get a kick out of all the players that people around here say ought to go to the AL and be a DH. There are only 15 DH spots available and yet people discuss upwards of 100 players that should do it. It really is comical.
Overpay
I agree fannclub6.!!!! Consistent hitting was the glaring problem in 2019. Now—- without a bonafide Clean up hitter to date. Their offense currently looks weaker than 2019.
Why would you think that? Haniger was 25 when he was called up and kelenic will most likely be 21.
Educate yourself, dude. You’re embarrassing yourself
Metropolitans all but have Marte.
Metropolitans all but have Marte.
Atrocious take by an uninformed “fan”. Do people seriously believe dipoto doesn’t have a plan? That’s ridiculous
welp, there goes my secret weapon SP with RP eligibility late round fantasy pick once again. In all seriousness though good luck to him, even though I'm a Reds fan I love watching this guy pitch, he's pure electricity when he's on
@javia- in what world is a negative war player, who in 7 years has accumulated just over 9 war combined (averaging under 1.4 war/season during his PEAK production years) worth 29.5m in positive value over 3 years when he turns 30 in 2020?
Myers is owed 68.5m/3 yrs or 87.5m/4 yrs. You mean to tell me he could pull down a 10m/yr 3 yr deal as a free agent right now?
Myers is, optimistically, negative 60m in value all by himself.
The D-Backs wouldn’t give him $5m and released him, so he really shouldn’t be looking for more than that unless it’s a multi year deal
I dont think they should lose another 40 man slot for an over the hill veteran. Lets let the kids battle it out for outfield.
You are right... I still move Csrps contract and throw the dice on an extension... Sox just ain't getting the cream of the crop prospects... maybe O'niell or Thomas and a lower end prospect. Ifbthat isn't enough for one year then good luck wiith Myers!
This deal isn’t happening it’s a joke. The Red Sox aren’t trading Betts and taking on Myers full contract that would be asinine. The only way it happens is if Patino plus a couple of others and by others I mean useful pieces not just fillers.
I will be shocked if a deal comes together especially because San Diego is saying we want Betts but you have to take back Will Myers and now if our top 5 are on the table. Nothing to see here it’s a non story.
Trade Mookie to the Pirates for Marte and a manager.
Trade Mookie to the Pirates for Marte and a manager.
Mets have nothing I want and that includes Nimmo who I think is average.
So... gore is capable of putting up almost 33 war in a year? Cause that'd be 3 times the potential of betts....
"more than a decent CF"
The problem is that the Pirates view him as a premier CF. The league views him as a very-soon-to-be corner OF.
To be a Pirates fan, you cannot live in reality.
Dom Smith, JD Davis and a top 10 organizational pitching prospect would probably get it done for the Mets, and their roster breakdown would look a lot more defined.
McNeill 3B
Marte CF
Alonso 1B
Conforto LF
Cespedes RF
Cano 2B
Catcher
Rosario SS
I like what the Mets have done with their rotation as well. Remlinger and Wacha could turn out to be major bargains with incentive to pitch well to score a large contact next year.
I think that’s exactly what he did with Matt Hall, and we ended up getting a catching prospect out of it. I believe/hope that’s what he’ll do with all the outfielders in Toledo, give those guys a chance before signing someone like Puig.
The Dodgers have a perennially superior farm system and player development program. They always have, going back twenty or thirty years even.
Query - just exactly how many years ago was no no nanette?
Thats what I thought.
Chaim Bloom, mookie for myers framework, your chance to go down in history.
This is why fans don't run ballclubs.
yeah you're not gonna get me to bite on that when talking about st Louis. they're consistently in the playoff picture while never having to completely tear down a roster. they have down years, sure, but it's pretty nitpicky to complain about one if the most consistent franchises in all of the big 4 major American sports. they're not perfect, but no one is. when other franchises openly discuss modeling their own philosophies after st Louis, I'd say they're doing something right. haters gonna hate.
Toronto could use Marte! Make it happen
unless you hit a pop up.
RF is small. CF and LF not so much.
Assuming Padres give up actual prospects and not lower prospect fodder, they will regret this when Betts departs in 1 year. But you know those desperate GMs that want to keep their jobs overpay so you never know.
Petco OF walls have been move in. Betts hits more power away from Fenway anyway. Fenway is hard to hit HR actually.
RBIs? He hit lead off anyway. How many should they have?
I guess you don’t understand that the playoffs are a crapshoot. Lindor might get them into the playoffs the next year or two, but then you’re left with nothing. And he hardly makes them the favorites to win the WS. The LA Dodgers are Exhibit A as a high quality team that can’t get over the hump. I’d rather keep Senzel as a stud in CF for the next 5-6 years. Five tool players in centerfield are as rare as five tool players at shortstop.
You can't be serious.