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The Yankees are not keeping Soto. They don't spend like they used to. If they did, Freeman and Seager would both be in the Bronx. Unload DJL and Stanton free money to bring back Soto. The Mets only want to drive up the price. The Mets need to sign Burnes, Snell, and Freid for that staff for the price of one Soto. For that matter, the Yankees could do the same get 3 pitchers for one Soto.
Ok, so?
A lot of 3Bs are really tall. It's pretty common, actually.
Deada$$
The Jays have have the second richest owner in baseball. They can afford to go past the luxury tax if they choose. Not advocating for signing Fried tho.
As for what's been reported, it;s not like they're going to publicly state they're willing to break the bank for multiple FA's.
@RunDMC; you serious Clark?
Also a completely plausible explanation.
Phillies owner John Middleton's comment about being a stalking horse is obviously sound. It happened to the Jays last year for Ohtani. The Jays were used to drive up the price. But there is value in this because it does put some pressure on those clubs. Let's say Toronto knows that Soto wants to play in NY - great offer him 14 years $680 million - that forces New York to get close to that figure, match it, or exceed it. If he's going there anyway - you may as well try and make them pay through the nose so PERHAPS it means in year three when they have exceeded the luxury tax threshold for 3 years they can't or won't do something else. Of course, you have to do this in good faith as the player may surprise you and accept your offer!
A's are looking real good, Ruiz return to being a 70 plus SB threat and a solid lead off hitter is critical to the A's success, as is the development of Jacob Wilson at short but both are very high upside prospects. They have always developed bullpen talent well and have a lot of depth in bullpen prospects, raked in a number of good RPs in the Olson and Murphy trades, still developing I believe, have a little less depth with SP prospects, but have a good enough system to trade for a solid SP if needed and possibly sign a pair of FA in '26 if the offense comes together this year.
Why do you think he caught too many games? The 6-7 players ahead of him had better offensive numbers, only Ruschman didn’t.
He’s basically a 1st year player because of his injury in 2023 learning how to play in the MLB.
FRICKIN Insane!
gravel, not really. Read this: nytimes.com/athletic/5906532/2024/11/07/sf-giants-…
Springer, Gausman, Ryu....
But yeah, they never pass the test. JFC
That’s a power move from Middleton. “He’s playing us. That’s cool, we’ll play along and see where it takes us.”
I'm not seeing it... Even taking 2023 and 2024 together, his throwing is average but his pitch blocking is very poor (look at WP as well as PB) and his framing has gone from bad to worse. Maybe he will rebound, but he was frequently an issue last year.
At some point horrible long term contracts will serve as a warning. How many have returned value for the money spent? That Trout contract went as sour as the Pujols contract immediately.
Cohen won’t be outbid. Only way Soto is not a Met is if he intentionally takes less money to play somewhere else.
Maybe Campbell and Abreu could work. I think the White Sox would prefer a prospect over Abreu but he's a solid looking player with 5 years of team control and they do need outfielders. The Red Sox need to trade lefty hitters though and Campbell is a righty. Maybe the perfect fit isn't there but it's close.
It’s the only way they will be able to beat the Dodgers and they would have a legitimate chance of having 4 players that hit 40+ HRs (Judge, Soto, Alonso & Stanton (if he can stay healthy)). That’s never been done before in the history of baseball. That would be insane!
Judge took less money to stay with the Yanks. Giants offered him more. Soto isn’t giving anyone a hometown discount. He wants to set the record with this contract, and it’s a record he wants to last for a looooooong time.
Never gonna happen.
Couldn't Rojas perhaps be the odd man out?
you gonna continue this all offseason too?
Isn’t anyone willing to ask why he should make that much more than Judge?
Giancarlo Stanton, Byron Buxton, Zach Neto…
At least Jed finds a bit of talent when he is diving. Chrissy finds talent for a 41 win roster.
I see the Yankees keeping him in the end. If I were the Mets during this meeting I’d give them a framework of a deal: years, dollars, and other incentives. Determine a time frame for how long it will be good for. Don’t let it be like last year and be played by the top free agents. There are too many other ways to go and they don’t want to miss out on the other opportunities out there.
I have never blocked anyone on this site but this clown might just be the first. The slider has been around a long time Beshan’s probably learned his slider from Eck which was a devastating. This guy needs to end the broken record.
True enough but if the yankees dont get him it wont have anything to do with a lack of balls lol
A lot of paying guys they don’t have any more
I still think Cohen and the Mets end up winning the Soto Bowl.
It feels like they have been preparing for a run at him for awhile now and Steve generally gets what Steve wants.
@Ranger, I think it gonna take more than a bag or two balls to sign him.
That's signing 3 players with QOs. Quite a bet.
Hardest I have ever laughed reading comments, thx letitbe
Soto's contract will make Judge's look like a mid-tier free agent.
Not saying that the Yankees won't win the bidding war, but Soto may come pretty close to doubling Judge's deal.
As for a suggested alternative:
Donovan (not mentioned in the article) can also play 3B.
So whatever the best combo is for Donovan and Gorman to cover 3B and 2B between the two of them is an option, if Gorman's hitting comes around.
Saggese could also be in the mix for 2025 along with that duo. He's played both 2B and 3B in the minors and is regarded as better defensively at 2B.
And QO
The Yankees need to sign Soto, Alonso & Bregman if they want beat the Dodgers in the WS next year!
KC should be proud. They made huge strides this year.
Doubt it
Well the Rays were mentioned too.
He’s hit home wins every 13 ABs in his 26 games in the majors. That’s 42 if has 550 at bats. 6/6 in stolen base attempts. That more than 30 over 162. He has already been good. He had an an oblique injury in June otherwise he would have had a lot more games played this year and you’d have a much different opinion of him.
Love that lol I can go try to buy a sports car but if I only offer 3k I can’t get a nice one
So the Dodgers are the only one that can get players by deferring money? Got it didn’t know of the rule oh wait don’t we still celebrate Bobby Bonilla day?
George Springer.
This must be Beshan’s burner account. Did he teach Eckersley that slider as well. lol.
Not sure that the Cardinals would move Walker back to 3B, and my instinctive reaction is that it would be a really bad idea.
Walker hasn't played 3B in games (majors or minors) since 2022.
While it might be his "natural position", my understanding is that Walker was moved primarily because he's a really poor fielder there. However imperfect errors as a stat, 40 errors in ~1,300 innings of 1B at A/AA do not paint a pretty picture of Walker's skill at 3B.
He has the tools (78th percentile sprint speed, great arm strength) to indicate that he could be at least a decent corner OF with enough reps and instruction.
Team is better off, imho, staying the course and trying to build up his reads and routes for playing RF rather than jerking him around by sending him back to a position that he played poorly before.
Arron Judge would like you to hold his beer
I didn't either so that's how I knew 🙂
Yes, but at that time, there were only a few teams that were willing to pay up for a much-needed pitcher. Now, the Sox can entertain offers from more teams and, hopefully, get more (read better) players in return.
lol
Sounds like that's a Giant price increase.
This is over. The new Yankees don’t have the balls to spend what it's going to take.
That's a gamble. If he breaks down in May, the trade value will be next to zero. Now is the best time to unload him for the largest return.
Giants are set to drive the price up for the team that signs Soto.
PRICE is going to be the main selling point to the Red Sox and Orioles.
This gave Michael Kay such indigestion…lol. Anyway, I fully expect this to be a Harper & Machado-esque pursuit of Soto. Either choose the most money or the Yankees brand, but not both.
I think it’s Giants or (most likely) Mets. I beg Hal not to make the mistake of pivoting to Pete Alonzo if Soto doesn’t sign…. That has “Cashman mistake” written all over it.
I guess we are going to agree to disagree, but I’m not sure how anyone can say the guy with less money is going to be able to match or exceed the offer of the guy with more money. But I appreciate the debate just the same. Of course I know they’re not going to go to a point of exceeding their net worth but we know that’s not how it works. You and I can afford to buy certain things but there’s a point we won’t go to because it becomes too much money. It’s not at a point of our entire net worth, but it just becomes too much at a certain point. It’s the same thing here. There’s a point that’s going to be too much money for Hal Steinbrenner well before that that happens with Steve Cohen. That’s the point I’m making. Besides, Hal Steinbrenner is the guy who’s talked about how the Yankees payroll is unsustainable because of the luxury tax and he is far more budget conscious. We know Steve Cohen just doesn’t care that much about luxury tax. Again appreciate the debate.
“I tried to sign him. I even met with Boras! But I can’t afford him. We can’t compete with the bigger markets. The league caught up to me. But we have Judge, Dominguez, and Grisham. We’re good.”
King - I always just figured it is Roger posting.
"Hello, Scott. What percentage of the team are you expecting?"
Come on that payroll thing is a joke because if the deferred money. And just look at all their shiny purchases they’ve accumulated over the years that other teams couldn’t dream of adding except maybe the New York teams or Boston.
King - Perhaps Roger is having money issues.
I think hitting was way more of a problem than our pitching.
Surprise? The Os should be the CLEAR favorite for Fried. They can sign him and midtier FAs and drop from the current payroll
Let the games begin (:
West coast
I just disagree that there is any number that the Yankees can't reach. His contract won't be more than $7.5 billion dollars. I guess in theory, if Cohen agrees to transfer his 21 billion dollars to Juan Soto, then the Yankees would have to get a loan to match. I actually think they could get that loan if they needed it, but this is silly talk. Whatever Juan Soto's salary will be, the Yankees and Mets can both afford. It will just be his choice.
Bartolo played for that many clubs.
I'd prefer to keep Burnes, but if he cannot be retained, Fried would certainly be a pretty nice consolation prize.
Trash organization and franchise in decline. Looking forward to years of the east missouri cesspool staying in last place where they belong.
@out. Kingery got the fletcher treatment. Just wasn't worth his contract. I wouldn't say he's bad or not any worse than last year's mess. Maybe another interesting add would be Kim's brother not sure if he can play ss.
Not normally during the day. The Yankees play Judge in CF every day, Dominguez is a better defensive option there. The only real knock on Dominguez is he only 5’9”. But so is Mookie Betts.
Bruh.
Do you get paid every time you post "Roger Beshens" or something?
Roger Beshens, or so I hear.
It’s not usually a good sign if your on base is 100+ points higher than your batting average if you don’t have the power to offset it or have the speed to steal frequently. Lars has neither. It means sitting on 1B too much. The probably of scoring from 1st base with no outs is only 18%, it goes down with every out. It also means your walking too much which means your not driving in RBI. It works for players like Schwarber and Soto because when they aren’t walking, they are hitting doubles or HRs. Nootbaar is barely a league average player if not below. His stats require a deeper dive.
Steve Cohen’s net worth is 21 billion dollars. The Yankees simply can’t match whatever Steve Cohen offers. Obviously there’s a limit for any team, but the limit has to be less for the Yankees than the Mets. I’m not saying I know for a fact he will sign with the Mets. But I just can’t see the Mets not having the top offer. Maybe he signs for less I don’t know, but I just think it’s virtually impossible the Mets will not put the highest offer out there. I think what you said in your post is what it will be though. I think there’s a point where the Yankees aren’t going to be willing to go because they are going to have more of a budget than the Mets. And if they sign Soto for some exorbitant amount of money, I think it’s going to be very difficult for them to fit a lot more into that budget. I don’t know this for a fact, but looking at the recent history and what I’ve read and heard that’s what I think.
The surgery took place three days ago. Zach wanted to see if he could rehab the shoulder. As stated, a baseball club cannot force a player to have surgery.
Fat - The Sox will pursue a SP like they've pursued filling every other need with a free agent. They will let other teams outbid them on SP's and then they will get a perceived "discount" on whatever SP remains.
Just like 3 years ago when they let all the top shortstop free agents sign elsewhere and then they signed what was left (Story).
I still think their big SP acquisition will be Flaherty.
I cant wait for the red sox to sign one of these high end players then read all those haters making jokes say how they overpaid or its a mistake lol
Cardinals better be ready to eat a big portion of that remaining salary if they expect to move him.
The defense is more legitimate of an issue. The striking out is an adjustment issue. During the minors, he was noticeably a slower adjuster; however, what is relevant is that he always made the adjustment and succeeded. This time in the bigs in '24 was far too brief for any corrections.
This Cardinals fan does not think they can contend in 2025. Nor in ‘26 or ‘27. Not as long as either Mozaliak or Bloom are here. Bloom is the right guy for the job. But his job is not to build a winner, it’s to be the bad guy and cut payroll down to the bare minimum and get out of town.
I'm not getting the either/or argument on Arenado and Muncy, when for the Dodgers it could easily be both. In this scenario Lux is the odd man out.
Just bring back Perez for #5 and pick up some 2nd tier vet to compete with Waldron for #4. Crochet feels like he will break with the steep increase in innings. Don't want to give up anything of note for him.
Bigly!
Zoinks!
Interesting, so do you think the White Sox get hung up on this difference on Abreu and can't be convinced by adding more prospect capital? I can't blame them.
On the flip side, I think Bosox don't have a big incentive to move Anthony over Abreu or Mayer. Add that Robert is a bit redundant positionally. This doesn't feel like a winner. It feels like a reach the Bosox would move their top guy considering how unusual his rise has happened.
Letit, I’m sure they just checked in with Boras on Soto but they aren’t going to spend 50 million a year for him. Probably just a courtesy check in. I do believe that the Red Sox are going to add a starter or two this offseason and one of them will be a tor guy. The Red Sox minor league talent is real and it’s coming fast now is the time to supplement the team.
I can easily see the Red Sox sign Fried and Scott.
I don’t believe so. He’s going to want too much and the Yankees made it clear they aren’t going to do much of anything if they acquire Soto. If they don’t get Soto, I still don’t see them pursuing a TOR arm. I think they will pivot to more mid-rotation arms.
You make it sound like the Dodgers weren’t 5th in payroll and 76 million under the top spending team. It’s not always how much you spend but how you spend it. Kansas City has won a ring more recently than the Yankees. Other ways to win than just throwing money at it ask the Mets.
@NickTheDev,
Thanks for the heads up!
Kingery is so bad he hasn't stepped up to the plate in MLB since 2021. If Arte sticks us with Kingery as the SS then as fans we should brace ourselves for a season to rival the White Sox 2024 futility.
Are you this Roger Beshens rep or something?
Arizona has picked up Suarez's option for 2025, so I'm struggling to see why they'd want Arenado.
Suarez is good enough defensively at 3B - at least average-ish over past couple years across Statcast/DRS - that his value diminishes moving him off 3B.
You are a broken record with this Football Slider. "MLB should relay this information on to EX ML pitchers so they can teach the same thing and ALSO provide valuable experience information." Have you taken this task upon yourself? Have the "insiders" you are "talking to" asked you to pass on this "valuable experience information"? Is this the latest bitcoin scam? What child goes to a game and asks about the career of the Yankee pitching coach? What are you on?
Would your Yanks be a possibility to sign him?
If the Orioles due decide to risk going after a big contract SP, hopefully they can retain Burnes. Small injury history including no indication of forearm or elbow issues.
AZ has Suarez.
Max Fried in T.O. is a fantasy. Total BS. It's most likely Fried will sign with the Dodgers. He's a So Cal guy. The J's would be better served to offer Ryan Yarbrough a 3 year deal with a starter guarantee. Spend the big money on Vladdy