No to Seager, and since Longoria was the subject you have made my point.
Why move Melancon? Why NOT move Melancon? The Braves have a plethora of young arms who can be every bit as medicore as Melancon at a fraction of the price. You made it too easy for me. I thank you.
Hey jetporker, let's see a Puke-athon in McCourt's parking lots and from the top level in their dump of a stadium onto the Doyer fans below them!!! Finally---a reckoning.
The only reason I can come up with as to why certain fans vehemently hate Puig, even going so far to compare him with a murderer, is that the person hating him is a racist who only needs a crumb of a reason to hate a non-white player.
Prove me wrong? Go into detail as to why you hate him. I challenge you, johnsilver (lol kinda saying something about yourself for not putting "long" in your user name though)
If he’s given 1 year and 5-6 million, they could release him and bite the cost of it doesn’t work. If it works out, it would be a nice boost for Miami. Seems pretty low risk and Puig plays the game hard so would be a nice example for the young guys.
Some fans remember Kersh v. Cardinals and his imploding 3rd time around the lineup. Then there is the he was left out there too long, he came out into relief etc. Kersh isn’t a dominant force in the playoffs, BUT that is a product of some bad timing as well. An error here, a misplay there and he would of gotten out of some of those bad situations, A bad BP also does him in. But Kersh is one of the greats in Dodger blue and, like you said, we’d of rioted had he walked. But, in hindsight, FO should have put more incentive to these next 2 yrs. If Kersh wins a game in the playoffs let alone a WS though, and the Dodgers win it all, that is erased and he will be seen as a HOF lock and one of the greatest. Not that he isn’t now, just that in a contest of metrics and pump my chest, I have this and you don’t, MadBum is a beast in postseason and WS and Kersh hasn’t shown that yet. Hopefully that changes these next 2 seasons though.
Don't worry he will be. Look at his last season line, then factor in MLB pitching - he'll be hovering around the Mendoza line with less than 15 home runs.
At least you're not original at all. It's OK, I know the IGen can't take any constructive criticism whatsoever without feeling like theyre being called out or patronized and have to get defensive right out of the box. Happy offseason and merry spring training.
How so? The Marlins are the least interesting team in MLB. Puig is one of the most interesting and energetic players there is. Seems like I drove it into the gap.
It all depends on needs of the team and what their strategy is for the upcoming FAs. Over the next two offseasons there will be some really good SS FAs. Didi is good for the clubhouse and something that is frequently overlooked is his activity in the community. Yankees fans will miss having him in the team.
Agreed. Friedman was in a tough situation though. Fans would have gone apesht if they let Kersh walk away before last year and not spend money on him. I think the fans have turned on him a bit after the National debacle but before last year I think consensus was that most fans wanted Kersh back. You kind of knew that 3 years $93mm was overpaying back then but we were hoping Kershaw would rebound from 2018 and it actually got worse in 2019 and now definitely a bad contract.
Perhaps, but without Cease they don't get Q. Without Q 2017 Cubs likely don't make the NLCS. The Dodgers were just better. It is what it is. Oriole fans must have been like WTF in 2015 watch Arietta throw as he did, but again hindsight. Cease hasn't done much yet to be overly distraught about losing him. Let's not pretend like the Cubs had a second coming of Kershaw, Scherzer, Verlander, etc in Cease. I would like him to do well fro the chisox, but as of now he hasn't shown much at all for theo to crawl into a hole over.
Sign Bumgarner, Dodgers! The only place that has ever motivated Maddy to win a WS is SF. LA would be an excellent place to sabotage the Doyers. It would be priceless!!!
And how are you going to replace Muncy's production? He's been quite productive the last 2 years. You're subtracting and adding (riskier add too), and not getting anywhere. If you want to win the WS that's not a good equation.
I feel that’s exactly why now is the time to trade Marte. Because they don’t expect to compete. And not trading him risks injury and his value goes down the less he is controlled.
Supposedly 8 years $300mm for Cole. I do think normally he thinks most high profile FAs are not worth the money, but seems like he had a real interest in Cole. And before you say why couldn't the Dodgers just fork over another year and $24mm, you know that the Yankees would just keep pushing the envelope. When Friedman got that sense is when he knew that the Yankees were going to get him.
I can only surmise The Mets are trying to stock up to try and maybe make a deal somewhere else! A bunch of mediocre talent added to throw in some kind of package with the thought they may have to part with bigger talent and have this mediocre talent as a back up because NONE of these new guys stand out!
But Rendon didn't sign for $20 million a year. He signed for $35. It hasn't been just a couple teams over paying either. Cole, Strasburg and Wheeeler all got more than the industry expected.
The bidding between teams is what drives market prices over what seems sensible.
Brian Wilson was great the first year, awful the second. Jeff Kent is a garbage person, but was very, very good on the field, even for the Dodgers. Juan Uribe wasn’t very good for the first few years, but he figured it out (and hit the NLDS-winning HR against Atlanta).
MadBum, Donaldson, Betances and maybe even find a trade for Joc, Pollock, where they return another arm, I’d consider it a success. Hell, executive of the year if they can just get Kelly and Pollock out.
Always intrigued by guys making this transition. Hope he raked against the sux and yanks. Love watching the severely out gunned Rays compete with those behemoths.
In most cases I do think that the Dodgers use the media to portray them as closer to obtaining high profile free agents than they actually are. It's called being smart. You always want your fan base thinking that they're in it but you also want to have the prudence to not spend stupid money. And let's face it fans want their teams to spend no matter what. Most fans that is. Not my money as they would say without realizing how far back that can send you as a franchise with so many bad contracts. It does seem though that Cole was different. Friedman really likes him and seems like they made a legitimate push for him (8 years $300mm if you believe that report) but just looked like Yankees would top them no matter what the cost is. It's stupid money. It will be smart money the next 3 years or so but will be painful to unload when he declines.
If MadBum is truly “interested” in pitching for the Dodgers, I think this reflects push-factors out of SF and the new Zaidi way. Bum seemingly expressed a strong desire to remain a Giant, but I never thought Farhan would give him what the open market will (possibly 5/100). So, with SF saying “we don’t want you” I think Bum wants to go to a strong contender and aim for another ring or two. This would really help his HOF chances.....it makes sense to me....wherever he ends up, I wish him well!
One thing I will say is that as a Dodger fan, seeing the moves to go younger, cheaper, or efficient on the part of Dodger FO, it was bewildering to see them give Kersh $31 mil a yr. If he had taken $25 mil, I would say it was OK, but $31 was 3 yr ago Kersh. Still a hell of a pitcher but his contract rn shows how off the pay is to the product on the field. Beast in regular season BUT spotted in postseason play.
That stands to reason. But only because Preller (ego?) way over values Profar. Just like he over values Margot. And Myers. And Hosmer. This is a disturbing trend for a GM.
His line will play lower in the AL east? Are you kidding, this guy is gonna hit godzilla shots back to Japan over the short porch in yankee stadium and the 250 ft foul pole in fenway
I'm fine with the approach of making the playoffs every year and see where that takes you. It's a bit of a crapshoot. Did anyone think the Nationals would take it this year? I thought that they had a good chance of beating the Dodgers in a 5 game series with their big three starting pitching but didn't think they'd go all the way, especially with the Astros and Yankees on the other side. Keep tweaking the roster. They need to tweak a little bit away from depth which has allowed them to do extremely well in the regular season and upgrade the playoff roster. Don't destroy the 40 man roster but find a way to improve the 25 man roster without killing your 40 man roster.
if I was the Dodgers, I’d go 4/100 and an option for a 5th w/incentives that becomes guaranteed if he reaches innings, SO’s etc. He’d be 36 or so at that point. Hell of a pitcher that would be a part of the prime years of Belli, Seager, Smith, Lux, Muncy years.
If you look at his last three years (2017-2019) versus previous four years (2013-2016), the numbers are not as good. He's giving up more HRs, striking out less, OPS against higher, etc. He's in decline. Performance doesn't go in a straight line and you could see a bounce back season but I would pass on him.
I stopped reading after you said he's not signing with the Braves, he's making his most likely destination (ATL) pony up a little money for his final contract, that's all.
If he was younger I would agree with you, but he's not and ATL will find a way to bring him back.
How come you're assuming everything you said is already true though? Quite the statement based on personal opinion.
Great. So the Cubs have spent $42m for $25 of “value”. He’s been a bust and little else. He had a strong finish lad season so the Cuvs might be able to flip the contract now, but there is ZERO surplus value and nothing of note would be coming back for him.
Both in decline. Kershaw declining faster. MadBum has not been as dominating as Kershaw in the regular season. Even with Kershaw's faster decline he was a better pitcher than MadBum last year. Red flags with MadBum. I guess he could rebound but would not be surprised if he didn't live up to next contract. For what it's worth I was hoping Kershaw opted-out and signed elsewhere before last year.. He wasn't worth $31mm last year and he's not going to be worth $31mm next two seasons.
He’s been a total stiff since the Cubs signed him. He JD a good finish last year to up how value. I said maybe another team would take the contract now, but nobody is giving up anything of note for that right.
Roman Quinn is probably gonna be the guy against lefties in CF and should get some late inning pinch running opportunities. Odubel Herrera stands to be the 26th man so I think Szczur is nothing more than AAA depth in case someone gets hurt or if they can move Odubel. He's a local guy, the Press of Atlantic City does a daily feature in the sports section on he and Mike Trout, titled "local roundup". Great numbers in the minors though and hope he can contribute if his number is called.
As we should have. There is no point in paying multiple millions to a backup catcher who contributes nothing to the team when you can get the same contribution from somebody making league minimum.
What world do you live in where you would compare a pitcher of that dominace to a pitcher like perez. Like be realistic bud.
It will be a fine year in Boston. Lots of good players on the team still. Boston will still be a strong team that can score lots. They always have a shot dont be a hater.
They sure can compete. As a fan of Boston we always believe they can compete. Anything less then a WS title from them is a failed season.
They're re-tooling getting a starter and utility player for less. Shedding payroll for them they almost need another Crawford/Gonzalez deal to make that happen.
4 or 5th... .you gotta be joking me.... did you forgot Toronto doesnt have much starting pitching and Baltimore well they suck!!! Yankees are gonna be tough to beat. Tampa is pretty solid as is Boston thats your top three..... unless some how Tampa and Boston flip flop... highly doubt Jays will be ahead of the sox.
The Red Sox will be fine no need to hit the panic button. Lots of good solid core players left from that WS a couple seasons ago.
Wish the Cardinals would swoop in and get a deal done with Bumgarner. I’d have no problem giving this guy 5 years 100mil. Can you imagine the thought of being able to get him Around 20 mil just a couple years ago? It would have been laughable. I know he had a couple injury riddled seasons, but the guy was pretty good this year.
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Sure thing, bring up a generational talent as an arbiter for all hitters ever. Really great content. You really added to the convo here
Here's an idea: I am allowed to be correct sometimes? If you need HOFers to make your argument, you don't have one.
No to Seager, and since Longoria was the subject you have made my point.
Why move Melancon? Why NOT move Melancon? The Braves have a plethora of young arms who can be every bit as medicore as Melancon at a fraction of the price. You made it too easy for me. I thank you.
Hey jetporker, let's see a Puke-athon in McCourt's parking lots and from the top level in their dump of a stadium onto the Doyer fans below them!!! Finally---a reckoning.
elite post, newjokecity forever
Thanks!
It's a rumor site, go elsewhere if you don't like rumors
The only reason I can come up with as to why certain fans vehemently hate Puig, even going so far to compare him with a murderer, is that the person hating him is a racist who only needs a crumb of a reason to hate a non-white player.
Prove me wrong? Go into detail as to why you hate him. I challenge you, johnsilver (lol kinda saying something about yourself for not putting "long" in your user name though)
If he’s given 1 year and 5-6 million, they could release him and bite the cost of it doesn’t work. If it works out, it would be a nice boost for Miami. Seems pretty low risk and Puig plays the game hard so would be a nice example for the young guys.
Some fans remember Kersh v. Cardinals and his imploding 3rd time around the lineup. Then there is the he was left out there too long, he came out into relief etc. Kersh isn’t a dominant force in the playoffs, BUT that is a product of some bad timing as well. An error here, a misplay there and he would of gotten out of some of those bad situations, A bad BP also does him in. But Kersh is one of the greats in Dodger blue and, like you said, we’d of rioted had he walked. But, in hindsight, FO should have put more incentive to these next 2 yrs. If Kersh wins a game in the playoffs let alone a WS though, and the Dodgers win it all, that is erased and he will be seen as a HOF lock and one of the greatest. Not that he isn’t now, just that in a contest of metrics and pump my chest, I have this and you don’t, MadBum is a beast in postseason and WS and Kersh hasn’t shown that yet. Hopefully that changes these next 2 seasons though.
Don't worry he will be. Look at his last season line, then factor in MLB pitching - he'll be hovering around the Mendoza line with less than 15 home runs.
Great insight. I’m glad I read it
At least you're not original at all. It's OK, I know the IGen can't take any constructive criticism whatsoever without feeling like theyre being called out or patronized and have to get defensive right out of the box. Happy offseason and merry spring training.
SNORE! MLB Pitchers will eat him alive.
Oh grow up. Puig is fine. You hate him because he's not white.
Hahahaha fantastic.
How so? The Marlins are the least interesting team in MLB. Puig is one of the most interesting and energetic players there is. Seems like I drove it into the gap.
Until the annual choke in October.
it's a pic of Puig licking his bat
I'd love to have Bumgarner in Petco. Gigantes gave my Padres their lunch throughout Bumgarner's tenure. He and Gore would feast on the Doyers.
It all depends on needs of the team and what their strategy is for the upcoming FAs. Over the next two offseasons there will be some really good SS FAs. Didi is good for the clubhouse and something that is frequently overlooked is his activity in the community. Yankees fans will miss having him in the team.
If you read the article from the mobile app it’s a picture of Puig licking his bat
Except when he was one of two guys getting thrown out at home on the same play in the playoffs.
that is too many.
Jeter must want Mattingly ousted
Agreed. Friedman was in a tough situation though. Fans would have gone apesht if they let Kersh walk away before last year and not spend money on him. I think the fans have turned on him a bit after the National debacle but before last year I think consensus was that most fans wanted Kersh back. You kind of knew that 3 years $93mm was overpaying back then but we were hoping Kershaw would rebound from 2018 and it actually got worse in 2019 and now definitely a bad contract.
Signing a 34 year old to a multi year deal is a bad investment. Hard pass.
Perhaps, but without Cease they don't get Q. Without Q 2017 Cubs likely don't make the NLCS. The Dodgers were just better. It is what it is. Oriole fans must have been like WTF in 2015 watch Arietta throw as he did, but again hindsight. Cease hasn't done much yet to be overly distraught about losing him. Let's not pretend like the Cubs had a second coming of Kershaw, Scherzer, Verlander, etc in Cease. I would like him to do well fro the chisox, but as of now he hasn't shown much at all for theo to crawl into a hole over.
Please elaborate? All I saw was a targeted ad, no article photo. What'd I miss?
Sign Bumgarner, Dodgers! The only place that has ever motivated Maddy to win a WS is SF. LA would be an excellent place to sabotage the Doyers. It would be priceless!!!
If you do it you might be able to draw 10-12K a game.
If he gets any regular burn, Phils fans may suffer several Szczurs.
And how are you going to replace Muncy's production? He's been quite productive the last 2 years. You're subtracting and adding (riskier add too), and not getting anywhere. If you want to win the WS that's not a good equation.
I feel that’s exactly why now is the time to trade Marte. Because they don’t expect to compete. And not trading him risks injury and his value goes down the less he is controlled.
Puig "adds some charisma" to the Marlins. Kind of the same way Charles Manson "ads some charisma" to San Quentin.
Would fit perfectly with every other move Jeter has made, as in he hasn't made a decent one yet.
Supposedly 8 years $300mm for Cole. I do think normally he thinks most high profile FAs are not worth the money, but seems like he had a real interest in Cole. And before you say why couldn't the Dodgers just fork over another year and $24mm, you know that the Yankees would just keep pushing the envelope. When Friedman got that sense is when he knew that the Yankees were going to get him.
Can we stop it with the Thor getting traded rumors? It's not happening. Tired story.
I can only surmise The Mets are trying to stock up to try and maybe make a deal somewhere else! A bunch of mediocre talent added to throw in some kind of package with the thought they may have to part with bigger talent and have this mediocre talent as a back up because NONE of these new guys stand out!
you certainly struck out on this comment.
I remember when he lent his underwear to Addison Russell during the playoffs
I stopped reading your complete and utter hogwash.
But Rendon didn't sign for $20 million a year. He signed for $35. It hasn't been just a couple teams over paying either. Cole, Strasburg and Wheeeler all got more than the industry expected.
The bidding between teams is what drives market prices over what seems sensible.
You didn't get the other headline? Puig is also signing a one year deal with the Dodgers. Muncy, Bumgarner and Puig lockers next to each other.
Brian Wilson was great the first year, awful the second. Jeff Kent is a garbage person, but was very, very good on the field, even for the Dodgers. Juan Uribe wasn’t very good for the first few years, but he figured it out (and hit the NLDS-winning HR against Atlanta).
Perfect fit! He's exactly who the soulless Marlins need to be even remotely interesting again!
Some may "lick" the photo.
MadBum, Donaldson, Betances and maybe even find a trade for Joc, Pollock, where they return another arm, I’d consider it a success. Hell, executive of the year if they can just get Kelly and Pollock out.
Ha!
Miss Puig in a Dodgers uniform. Hope the marlins do sign him Miami is the perfect landing spot for him.
Missed opportunity for the Jays, especially at that price. He would have to be extremely bad to be worse than Rowdy Tellez.
Best artist in the league.
Donaldson had a .900 OPS. How does he not have a legit bat?
"Merry Christmas to you Phillies fans. Not Gerrit Cole, a lump of real coal in your stocking."
Make it happen Miami! Burry the hatchet!!
I like the choice in picture for the article.
Always intrigued by guys making this transition. Hope he raked against the sux and yanks. Love watching the severely out gunned Rays compete with those behemoths.
Was thinking the same thing! Lol
In most cases I do think that the Dodgers use the media to portray them as closer to obtaining high profile free agents than they actually are. It's called being smart. You always want your fan base thinking that they're in it but you also want to have the prudence to not spend stupid money. And let's face it fans want their teams to spend no matter what. Most fans that is. Not my money as they would say without realizing how far back that can send you as a franchise with so many bad contracts. It does seem though that Cole was different. Friedman really likes him and seems like they made a legitimate push for him (8 years $300mm if you believe that report) but just looked like Yankees would top them no matter what the cost is. It's stupid money. It will be smart money the next 3 years or so but will be painful to unload when he declines.
He was joking.
I feel bad for them.
If MadBum is truly “interested” in pitching for the Dodgers, I think this reflects push-factors out of SF and the new Zaidi way. Bum seemingly expressed a strong desire to remain a Giant, but I never thought Farhan would give him what the open market will (possibly 5/100). So, with SF saying “we don’t want you” I think Bum wants to go to a strong contender and aim for another ring or two. This would really help his HOF chances.....it makes sense to me....wherever he ends up, I wish him well!
Why is that? Those are two of his four biggest suiters.
One thing I will say is that as a Dodger fan, seeing the moves to go younger, cheaper, or efficient on the part of Dodger FO, it was bewildering to see them give Kersh $31 mil a yr. If he had taken $25 mil, I would say it was OK, but $31 was 3 yr ago Kersh. Still a hell of a pitcher but his contract rn shows how off the pay is to the product on the field. Beast in regular season BUT spotted in postseason play.
That stands to reason. But only because Preller (ego?) way over values Profar. Just like he over values Margot. And Myers. And Hosmer. This is a disturbing trend for a GM.
His line will play lower in the AL east? Are you kidding, this guy is gonna hit godzilla shots back to Japan over the short porch in yankee stadium and the 250 ft foul pole in fenway
I'm fine with the approach of making the playoffs every year and see where that takes you. It's a bit of a crapshoot. Did anyone think the Nationals would take it this year? I thought that they had a good chance of beating the Dodgers in a 5 game series with their big three starting pitching but didn't think they'd go all the way, especially with the Astros and Yankees on the other side. Keep tweaking the roster. They need to tweak a little bit away from depth which has allowed them to do extremely well in the regular season and upgrade the playoff roster. Don't destroy the 40 man roster but find a way to improve the 25 man roster without killing your 40 man roster.
First Gosselin, now Szczur. Booking my World Series tickets now.
Berrios, Bumgarner, Odorizzi, Pineda, and mustachioed Dobnak? Looks pretty good
if I was the Dodgers, I’d go 4/100 and an option for a 5th w/incentives that becomes guaranteed if he reaches innings, SO’s etc. He’d be 36 or so at that point. Hell of a pitcher that would be a part of the prime years of Belli, Seager, Smith, Lux, Muncy years.
I'm waiting for that Cobra Forest clown to come up here and say something snarky about this one.
If you look at his last three years (2017-2019) versus previous four years (2013-2016), the numbers are not as good. He's giving up more HRs, striking out less, OPS against higher, etc. He's in decline. Performance doesn't go in a straight line and you could see a bounce back season but I would pass on him.
"Ruzczs" is "Szczur" spelled backwards.
Unrivaled power from Yandy and Yoshi at the corner. Yankees quaking
I stopped reading after you said he's not signing with the Braves, he's making his most likely destination (ATL) pony up a little money for his final contract, that's all.
If he was younger I would agree with you, but he's not and ATL will find a way to bring him back.
How come you're assuming everything you said is already true though? Quite the statement based on personal opinion.
Szczur salad
In 2015, Baseball Prospectus had Russell as the #2 prospect in the sport. Fangraphs had him #4.
He was absolutely considered a top prospect.
They probably would have brought Didi back if they didn’t sign Cole. They didn’t have enough money left in their budget after Cole.
That took a lot of Gaul.
Great. So the Cubs have spent $42m for $25 of “value”. He’s been a bust and little else. He had a strong finish lad season so the Cuvs might be able to flip the contract now, but there is ZERO surplus value and nothing of note would be coming back for him.
before or after roids?
Both in decline. Kershaw declining faster. MadBum has not been as dominating as Kershaw in the regular season. Even with Kershaw's faster decline he was a better pitcher than MadBum last year. Red flags with MadBum. I guess he could rebound but would not be surprised if he didn't live up to next contract. For what it's worth I was hoping Kershaw opted-out and signed elsewhere before last year.. He wasn't worth $31mm last year and he's not going to be worth $31mm next two seasons.
Minnesota should go 6yrs and 120 and bet on MadBum
He’s been a total stiff since the Cubs signed him. He JD a good finish last year to up how value. I said maybe another team would take the contract now, but nobody is giving up anything of note for that right.
Rock, paper, Szczur?
Roman Quinn is probably gonna be the guy against lefties in CF and should get some late inning pinch running opportunities. Odubel Herrera stands to be the 26th man so I think Szczur is nothing more than AAA depth in case someone gets hurt or if they can move Odubel. He's a local guy, the Press of Atlantic City does a daily feature in the sports section on he and Mike Trout, titled "local roundup". Great numbers in the minors though and hope he can contribute if his number is called.
***.322/.390/.577
Cape May's finest
.309 OBP with a .322 BA? Impressive feat!
Give onto Szczur that which is his.
What about Birdy?
This is a great move Matt is a great clubhouse addition and a great move for any team miss him in Chicago
People used to say that about price and boston/ortiz.
Money has a funny way of washing away grudges
As we should have. There is no point in paying multiple millions to a backup catcher who contributes nothing to the team when you can get the same contribution from somebody making league minimum.
RedSox67,
Agreed too many haters on here. Lot of not to bright ones thinking we will finish below the jays and o's lol
bob,
What world do you live in where you would compare a pitcher of that dominace to a pitcher like perez. Like be realistic bud.
It will be a fine year in Boston. Lots of good players on the team still. Boston will still be a strong team that can score lots. They always have a shot dont be a hater.
Jays fan bud?
Madbum, please go join the Red Bull motocross circuit and stay away from LA
You definitely seem olden. Like the comment though. Haha
hozle007,
Yes..... so?????????
paperwerks,
They sure can compete. As a fan of Boston we always believe they can compete. Anything less then a WS title from them is a failed season.
They're re-tooling getting a starter and utility player for less. Shedding payroll for them they almost need another Crawford/Gonzalez deal to make that happen.
4 or 5th... .you gotta be joking me.... did you forgot Toronto doesnt have much starting pitching and Baltimore well they suck!!! Yankees are gonna be tough to beat. Tampa is pretty solid as is Boston thats your top three..... unless some how Tampa and Boston flip flop... highly doubt Jays will be ahead of the sox.
The Red Sox will be fine no need to hit the panic button. Lots of good solid core players left from that WS a couple seasons ago.
Wish the Cardinals would swoop in and get a deal done with Bumgarner. I’d have no problem giving this guy 5 years 100mil. Can you imagine the thought of being able to get him Around 20 mil just a couple years ago? It would have been laughable. I know he had a couple injury riddled seasons, but the guy was pretty good this year.