The Mariners officially re-signed Erik Bedard today to a one year deal worth $1.5MM guaranteed with a mutual option for 2011 worth $8MM. Incentives based on games and time in the majors could bring the total payout in 2010 close to $8.5MM, and there are similar escalators for 2011 as well. The southpaw started throwing at his Navan, Ontario home last month, and said the Mariners were his "first choice."
Bedard, 31 in March, believes he could be pitching in May after having surgery last August to repair a frayed labrum and inflamed bursa in his throwing shoulder, though a June or July return may be more realistic. He'd previously had a shoulder procedure in September of '08 to remove a cyst. The Mariners were satisfied enough with his physical to go forward with the deal.
Hip and arm injuries have limited Bedard to just 30 starts and 164 innings since initially coming to Seattle in a six-player blockbuster with the Orioles two years ago, however those were high quality innings: 3.24 ERA, 8.9 K/9, 3.87 FIP. Once healthy, he'll slot in behind Felix Hernandez and Cliff Lee to form a potent 1-2-3 punch in the Great Northwest.
GM Jack Zduriencik has been a very busy man this winter. In addition to bringing back Bedard, he also imported in Lee, Chone Figgins, Milton Bradley, Eric Byrnes, Brandon League, Ryan Garko, and Casey Kotchman while locking up Hernandez and Franklin Gutierrez to long-term deals. The Orioles, Royals, and Red Sox also had varying degrees of interest in Bedard this offseason.
MLB.com's Jim Street initially reported the agreement, while Marc Brassard of Le Droit confirmed the deal and the terms. Kirby Arnold of The Everett Herald, Larry LaRue of The News Tribune, Jon Paul Morosi of FoxSports.com (Twitter), and Larry Stone of The Seattle Times (Twitter) added details along the way.
Mike Axisa contributed to this post.
Imagine a 1-2-3 of Felix-Lee-Bedard if Bedard is healthy. In the playoffs, that would be untouchable!
Don’t forget about Snelly.
I would NOT want to rely on Snell for any innings in the playoffs if I were a Mariners fan.
I’d take RRS over Snelly
That would be pretty awesome to see.
How could they be re-considering a guy when it doesn’t seem like he’s ever going to be ready to pitch?
well hes obviously not going to get that much money. probably an incentive laden deal.
Yeah, the kind of deal that says, “here’s some cash just in case you happen to pitch this season.”
Because the risk is worth the reward in this case a 1-2-3 With The King And Lee And Bedard Will be dominate in the play offs…
Well, despite my love for the Angels, I would love to see you guys get there this year – for a change. If you do, I just wonder if Bedard will still be with you at that point. If he is…that playoff rotation would be just sick! Hope we get to see it.
When he’s on, He’s downright nasty.
He’s pretty nasty alright – both on and off the field!
The guy is hopeful of a may return.
Or…the guy is hopeful, and he may return. 😉
They have already had a good offseason if they dont spend too much on Bedard it would be a good signing. When they signed him before they were expecting hinm to be an Ace til Felix was ready now he’s ready and they have Cliff Lee so if they sign him cheap there really is no downside if he stays healthy they would have a very good starting rotation.
Question is…Bedard or Washburn?
Bedard AND Washburn.
Did anyone notice that Prospectus has the M’s finishing last in the AL West? I really don’t see that happening.
baseballprospectus.com/fantasy/dc/
I agree with you. Last year they used Pecota to predict the Indians winning the AL Central.
There’s obviously some issues with the system. 2 90 win teams in all of baseball? There were 7 last year.
That said, I have the M’s finishing 3rd behind the Angels and Rangers. Just barely ahead of the A’s.
right. I’ve got the angels last, miles behind the A’s.
what’s “wrong” with their system is that, like any projection system, they expect every player to have an “average” season. the way you get a 90 win team is if a lot of your good players have excellent seasons – like the Yankees got out of Posada, Jeter, A-Rod, etc., and nobody has a below average season.
as for the Indians, if you want to criticize PECOTA for that, then you should also be criticizing the CHONE projections which had the Indians finishing top of the AL Central with 90 wins:
baseballprojection.com/2009standings.htm
It’s ridiculous to criticize standings projections, as standings projections are ridiculous.
Sure, they’re fun, but they’re always wrong. How can anyone seriously attempt to predict what’s going to happen over a 162 game season when injuries, slumps and all sorts of other variables are involved?
It’s ridiculous to criticize standings projections, as standings projections are ridiculous.
Sure, they’re fun, but they’re always wrong. How can anyone seriously attempt to predict what’s going to happen over a 162 game season when injuries, slumps and all sorts of other variables are involved?
what’s “wrong” with their system is that, like any projection system, they expect every player to have an “average” season. the way you get a 90 win team is if a lot of your good players have excellent seasons – like the Yankees got out of Posada, Jeter, A-Rod, etc., and nobody has a below average season.
as for the Indians, if you want to criticize PECOTA for that, then you should also be criticizing the CHONE projections which had the Indians finishing top of the AL Central with 90 wins:
baseballprojection.com/2009standings.htm
The M’s have to be involved in his rehab process, that’s the way it works… They have to foot his medical bill until he signs with someone else.
What do you maen “he’s nasty on and off the field”???
He’s got great stuff & execution (when he’s healthy) on the field, but the fact that he is also irritable and sullen in the locker room is also pretty well documented. He’s like that with media and teammates alike, and doesn’t make excuses for himself. It’s just how he is.
It would be great to get Bedard for 900,000-1,500,000 plus incentives. But what if our rotation doesnt need him come June?? Set up lefty??
Yes as of now Bedard may be better than Snell and Washburn. But that could change come June-July. As for Rowland-Smith ever going back to the pen, very very unlikely, he could be a legit 2-3 starter if he can continue to develop.
Felix/Lee/Bedard/Washburn/Rowland-Smith or Snell
Im not saying there will be no room in the rotation im just saying RRS is gonna be a main stay in the Ms rotation. And yes Bedard is a GREAT pitcher when healthy, the one problem is he has trouble going deep start to start. The Ms rotation looks like this Hernandez Lee Snell (because he’s right handed) Rowland-Smith Fister (my best guess could be anybody) so the 5 spot may be open to Bedard, but if everybody in the rotation is doing there part going deep, sup 4.40 ERA then Wakamatsu isn’t gonna say your going to make room for Erik to the pen!!! it just wont work that way. But most of the time a rotation will have 1 below average pitcher making room for Bedard.
What is realistic in this market? Something between 1/2M and 1/3M with incentives that he’ll never reach (i.e. 180 IP) could be a super deal for the Ms. I just wonder if that’s me trying to lowball him as a fan of my team, or if I’m on the money about the kind of deal that Bedard should expect.
There is NO WAY Bedard takes an incentive based deal with incentives that would be impossible to reach. And that’s exactly what you are proposing.
Incentives should be stretch goals or reasonable expectations. Signing a batter and giving him incentives if he hits 900 PA’s is pretty silly.
That said, $1m guaranteed with another $2m in incentives (100 innings) might be reasonable. It all really comes down to how many innings you think he can give you. Personally, I’m surprised that anyone is really looking at him now. Makes much more sense to see how his rehab is progressing come June. If you need another arm and he is getting close then you make the deal.
50/50 that Bedard gives his 2010 team less than 50 quality innings.
no it’s gotta be like $1m with incentives up to at least $5m
if Bedard pitches even 100 healthy innings, that’s worth $5 million easy. (last season for instance, he pitched 86 innings and FanGraphs has him worth $8.3 million).
no it’s gotta be like $1m with incentives up to at least $5m
if Bedard pitches even 100 healthy innings, that’s worth $5 million easy. (last season for instance, he pitched 86 innings and FanGraphs has him worth $8.3 million).
I also don’t think that the Ms will stop signing pitchers even if they do snag Bedard this week. I think they went cheap on the Garko/Byrnes signings to save cash for bringing in more than one pitcher. If Washburn, Lowry, or Wang followed on a one-year deal for 4-5M along with Bedard, I wouldn’t be shocked.
Bedard is filthy when he isn’t hurt. Get him for the stretch run and watch out. Do it Z!
The Mariner’s did quite alright adding Cliff Lee, Chone Figgins, Milton Bradley, Casey Kotchman, Brandon League, Griffey this offseason. Erik Bedard aka “chafe” would be a good pickup if less than 3 mil & healthy. If he starts pitching like he use to, he’s as good as anyone and soon enough he’ll be raking in 10-16 mil/yr. Buy now when he’s cheap.
Jason Bay really wanted to sign with the M’s b/c it’s close to home that could have been a really dangerous line-up after adding Figgins, Kotchman & Bradley. They have Suzuki, Figgnins, Lopez, Gutierrez, Bradley, Kotchman, Betancourt (had a bad year), & Griffey (who hit .214 last year) M’s did great this offseason. It will certainly be interesting.
uhh…. yuni got traded in June
Oh. What happened to Adam Jones, George Sherrill, Chris Tillman, Tony Butler, Kam Mickolio? Didn’t they get traded too………?
Bedard is great…………. When he hasn’t succumbed to a hangnail; Or is no longer functional after exposure to a harmful substance, like sunlight.
Of course, as a Cards fan, I might have preferred the team to pony up an extra million for Bedard instead of going for the current poor-man’s version of Bedard: Rich Hill. I have a feeling though that Bedard is ready to fall almost completely off the map.
Is RosterbatorExtraordinaire actually Erik Bedard?
Of course not – Bedard wouldn’t care what was said about him.
;-p
Good point, it must be his agent then
Bedard is sort of like a 15$ plastic remote-controlled toy car you might buy at Wal-Mart………….. It looks really fun to play with at first, but then you open it up to discover that it is instantly defective upon opening the package; as a harmful substance in the air like Oxygen apparently warps the remote control and you can only steer the car left.
Nice metaphor! That’s about the size of him.
ROFLMAO!
If you’ve been on this site for a few years, you know exactly who that is.
Oh boy, yet another potential ‘amazing’ signing by the overrated and overhyped (just like the M’s) Jack Z…..you guys haven’t even played an inning yet and suddenly it’s AL West crown, World Series, blahblahblah…
1. Angels
2. A’s
3. Mariners
4. Rangers.
no more like
mariners
angels
rangers
a’s
What’s wrong Wes, are you a Yankee fan who is saddened to have lack of blogging space to repeat 27!!! over and over again? Over hyped, not nearly as much as any of the AL East teams. You don’t like reading about other teams because they might make a good move whatever it be, than why read MLBTR? Let alone why post… and oh wow, you think the M’s will come in third. In front of the Rangers? The Rangers finished second last season you really think they’re gonna implode that seriously? They’re young and have a great farm system. Show some proof before you make assumptions or else ya just look like a fool. Just a little heads up.
funny isn’t it that MoisturebatorExtraantogonistic makes a decent case defending assumptions about Bedard’s personality when he is the one that comes across as surly, neurotic and self-centred?
Bedard’s 2010 projection:
1. Feb 10th – Bedard signs for 1 year/7 million with Cubs, with up to 5 million in performance incentives and an option for 2011 at 6 million. 3 other Cub SP’s prepare for long relief.
2. Feb 15th – As pitchers and catchers report, Bedard reports to the clinic. “The food is cold,” he complains. He is also very optimistic about returning by May 15th.
3. May 15th – Bedard is optimistic about returning by June 15th………. He is held back with a bad case of writers cramp.
4. June 15th – Bedard is optimistic about returning by July 15th …………….. Fans wonder where he is as Chicago is in dire straits, at 8 games behind STL but still carrying delusions of contention. Bedard is desperately needed as Zambrano has gone on the DL after breaking his hand on Koyie Hill’s face…………. Silva is thus inserted in the rotation, getting eaten alive like a legless fat kid covered in honey accidentally dropped onto a hill colony of fire ants.
5. July 15th – Bedard is optimistic about returning by August 15th, as he hopes to be on the “playoff roster.” Cubs trail the Rockies by 9.5 games in the “WildCard Race.” In an official release, Bedard “Keeps waking up on the wrong side of the bed.”
6. August 25th – Bedard has returned, and not a moment too soon to earn 1 million in incentives just for stepping on the mound and also get playoff eligibility. In his first start of the season against Pittsburg, he surrenders 3 runs, 7 hits, and 5 walks in 6 innings, thus prompting resounding declarations of “ERA of 4.50,” and “Quality start.”
7. August 30th – Bedards 2eme start…………… The Cubs can pull back to 6 games behind the 1st place Cardinals if they can pull off a 4 game sweep on the road at Busch………….. Bedard serves up a grand slam to Holliday in the 1st inning. 2nd Inning: Bedard is hoping to “limit the damage,” but on the way out to the mound, he trips and fractures his tibia on a hazardous surface(the ground,) and the Cubs are routed as Samardzija comes in for relief.
8. August 31st – “I’m French, but I’m not surrendering yet,” declares Bedard.
9. Oct 3rd – After finishing with a record of 74-88, Hendry picks up Bedard’s option for 2011. “He has quality stuff,” declares Hendry. Hendry also declares, “I’ve never seen anyone toss the medicine ball like Bedard.”
10. Oct 20th – Bedard issues statment in Chicago Times…………… “Hey, at least I’m not Danny Graves.”
11. Dec 20th – Bedard and his physical therapist exchange Christmas Cards.
Couldn’t you maybe grow a sense of humor sometime? Ha ha…
Seriously, great satire there!
Couldn’t you maybe grow a sense of humor sometime? Ha ha…
Seriously, great satire there!
Possibly my all-time favorite post on this site.
Gotta agree, that was pretty damn funny.
hazardous surface(the ground,)..
Classic.
If I’m Bedard, if Seattle wants me, even if it’s a minor league deal, I would stay there. He’s in the middle of rehab. They can pay him to rehab, and pay him a whole lot more when he’s ready to return him to the roster. I know baseball players are well paid and all, but it can’t be too pleasant to be halfway through your rehab and have to change doctors, trainers, physical therapists. If you’ve ever had a health problem that required surgery and more than two visits to the doctor, you know what I’m talking about.
Just make it a one year deal or one year with an option and call it a day.
What happened to Erik, I mean, Rosterbater’s posts? I don’t think he said anything inappropriate, it was a healthy argument. Even though I think it’s insane that a guy who’s made 30 starts once in his career is equal to guys who regularly pitch 200 innings with sub 4 ERA’s.
Jim Street is now saying that the Mariners re-signed Bedard for $1.5M plus incentives.
Yippee!!
In June/July, a 1-2-3 of Felix, Lee and Bedard is going to be nasty!
Ya know what would be better? If u guys had Adam Jones, Sherill and the other stud prospect or two u traded for Bedard! Bedard can’t throw six innings in any starts so you better hope u have a stellar bullpen. If 1.5 mil is all it costs tho, its not a bad signing, just dont get your hopes up.
If we still had those guys, we wouldn’t have Jack Z, Fraklin Gutierrez, Cliff Lee, etc.; we’d probably have Spezio, Podsednik, and Pineiro, though!
If we still had those guys, we wouldn’t have Jack Z, Fraklin Gutierrez, Cliff Lee, etc.; we’d probably have Spezio, Podsednik, and Pineiro, though!
Ya know what would be better? If u guys had Adam Jones, Sherill and the other stud prospect or two u traded for Bedard! Bedard can’t throw six innings in any starts so you better hope u have a stellar bullpen. If 1.5 mil is all it costs tho, its not a bad signing, just dont get your hopes up.
Jim Street is now saying that the Mariners re-signed Bedard for $1.5M plus incentives.
Yippee!!
In June/July, a 1-2-3 of Felix, Lee and Bedard is going to be nasty!
How can anybody be mad at signing a potential pitcher like this for 1.5 m? Very nice deal.
How can anybody be mad at signing a potential pitcher like this for 1.5 m? Very nice deal.
I looked back at an ESPN article after Bedard was traded to the Mariners, and here’s the the most laughable:
The 28-year-old Bedard becomes the staff ace for a perceived contender. He will lead a staff consisting of 21-year-old Felix Hernandez, veteran holdovers Miguel Batista and Jarrod Washburn and recently signed free agent Carlos Silva.
“We have a good, solid, five-man staff, maybe as good as there is,” Bavasi said.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
My guess is that when we look back at this year the experience will be the same.
People are just blinded by the hype. The M’s had a run differential of -52 runs in 09. They were 96 runs worse than the Rangers and 174 runs worse than the Angels. Those are HUGE gaps.
To just replicate last year they need Hernandez to stay healthy and repeat his career year. Then they need Lee to come in and give them a sub 3.00 ERA (to replace what Washburn and Bedard provided). And that just get’s them to their -52 run differential. They have no one to knock out 31 bombs to replace Branyan. Bradley is a the epitome of a headcase. Figgins has had exactly one season above 3.2 Wins (last year when he went off to the tune of a 6.1 WAR year). Kotchman was a non-tender candidate while Garko was non-tendered. Griffey has no business taking up a ML slot as a DH.
The great lesson of ’10 will be that we placed TOO much value on defense. I don’t think the M’s will generate nearly enough offense to win 85+ games. People will remember that Jack Wilson is a guy that the Pirates couldn’t give away. People will realize that Guiterrez is alot more like Coco Crisp than Willy Mays.
Those are my predictions. Write em down. I’ll be happy to eat some humble pie if I am wrong.
Negligent posting at it’s finest.
The Angels offensive was the second best in baseball last year.. the M’s? one of the worst. The Angels entire pitching staff had a down year, they really can’t get any worse can they?
They can and they will. The only question is how much worse.
“They can and will,” really? Do you have any kind of statistical numbers or anything to back that up? Or is that just you hoping for that to happen?
Well, to start off, the projected wins for the Angels are 88. Thats’ nine fewer wins. Is that worth anything to you?
Secondly, they replaced their best pitcher with a jugs pitching machine in Pineiro. Figgins and his career year are being either replaced by a lesser hitting middle infielder or a rookie with a strikeout problem. Torre Hunter had a career year in his mid-thirties. Don’t expect that again. The outfield defense is incredibly bad. The bullpen is shaky, and added Rodney to the mix. The Rangers, M’s and A’s all got better, so fewer wins in-division. And on top of it all, the Angels overachieved in 2009.
Talk all you want about ‘the pitching staff underachieved’. BS. Weaver had his best year since his rookie year. Santana is unpredictable. Saunders isn’t very good. Kazmir pitched better than he has in years second half of 09.
The Angels are no doubt a good team, and the favorites in the AL West, but how can you expect a team worse than the 09 squad to produce the same as a team who played above their heads? Hence the projected 88 wins. Hence my statement.
Negligent posting at it’s finest.
read my above post to the other guy, dullard.
and are you saying the guy’s post wasn’t negligent?
Stop with the ERA and run differential to make your point, its getting tired to hear this all the offseason… Washburn and Bedard can’t be taken as only one pitcher to substitute… check on FIP to consider how good was Washburn on 2009 and check the other years… the difference is that balls didn’t dropped much, thats it, Washburn was the same pitcher in 2009 and 2008….. Cliff Lee will easily give more quality innings than Washburn. At least the M’s improved in several positions while the Angels are expecting an MVP season from Matsui… what a joke..
Haha, as a Mariner fan, I even find that quite funny 🙂 As sad as it makes me..
I looked back at an ESPN article after Bedard was traded to the Mariners, and here’s the the most laughable:
The 28-year-old Bedard becomes the staff ace for a perceived contender. He will lead a staff consisting of 21-year-old Felix Hernandez, veteran holdovers Miguel Batista and Jarrod Washburn and recently signed free agent Carlos Silva.
“We have a good, solid, five-man staff, maybe as good as there is,” Bavasi said.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
There’s no arguing that the original trade for Bedard was a disaster, but that’s in the past. A $1.5M incentive laden deal (if that’s anywhere near accurate) would be a great deal for the M’s even if he misses the first couple of months. It would still leave them with enough money to try to acquire another starter (Washburn?) and a healthy Bedard would arguably give the M’s the best 1-2-3 starters in baseball. And if he doesn’t work out it wouldn’t cost the M’s much.
If Bedard is willing to sign this type of contract this would be a no-brainer for the M’s and another brilliant move by Zduriencik.
There’s no arguing that the original trade for Bedard was a disaster, but that’s in the past. A $1.5M incentive laden deal (if that’s anywhere near accurate) would be a great deal for the M’s even if he misses the first couple of months. It would still leave them with enough money to try to acquire another starter (Washburn?) and a healthy Bedard would arguably give the M’s the best 1-2-3 starters in baseball. And if he doesn’t work out it wouldn’t cost the M’s much.
If Bedard is willing to sign this type of contract this would be a no-brainer for the M’s and another brilliant move by Zduriencik.
Sorry but Bedard isn’t scaring anybody. He might want to try getting healthy and on a field first before heaping praise about Hernandez, Lee, Bedard.
No one even knows if or when he will pitch exactly. The biggest need of a pitcher is health above everything else without that he is useless.
When it comes to soft, look up Bedard in the dictionary, unless he is reincarnated in a new body color me unimpressed with this guy. Guess Seattle can’t get enough of his injuries.
Sorry but Bedard isn’t scaring anybody. He might want to try getting healthy and on a field first before heaping praise about Hernandez, Lee, Bedard.
No one even knows if or when he will pitch exactly. The biggest need of a pitcher is health above everything else without that he is useless.
When it comes to soft, look up Bedard in the dictionary, unless he is reincarnated in a new body color me unimpressed with this guy. Guess Seattle can’t get enough of his injuries.
You know I’m starting to think our negative perception of Bedard was directly related to Bavasi’s frustration that he never lived up to his great trade. Tough to blame Bedard too much when he was straight-up injured. Bavasi bad-mouthed Bedard on his way out… professional no? I think a lot of those “leaks” about Bedard’s attitude and performance may have come straight from Mr. Bill. Bedard’s lack of media personality sure didn’t help his cause though, and I understand that. I have zero problem giving Bedard another shot, especially at that price. We’ll see if the move is indeed made though.
Sure, all the attitude stuff is one thing, but what I find most disappointing and hardest to deal with is the complete about-face he did after leaving Baltimore. I mean, he went from total stud to perennial headliner on the M’s DL. I find that hard to wrap my mind around.
I wouldn’t call it complete. Prior to 2007 he never was particularly healthy. Anyhow, it’s really not fair to plame him for getting injured (if that’s what you were actually doing). He’s still a good pitcher, but I wouldn’t count on him being perennially healthy once again. If this surgery did the job though, it’d be fantastic.
Good points, and yeah, I’m guessing his days of pitching full seasons are about over. As for my reaction, nah, it’s not blame but disillusionment, I guess – and that’s on me for buying into an image (a rare occurrence for me but a good wake-up call all the same!).
For what it’s worth – if the deal is for $1.5m plus reasonable incentives I think it is a good gamble. What I have been hesitant on is people penciling the guy in as a dominant #3 starter. If you can get 80-100 innings of high 3’s/low 4’s ERA you should be happy. That still good value on your investment.
Worst case scenario you waste a few million (big deal). Best case scenario you get someone who can contribute in a significant way.
If Mariners actually do sign Bedard, they won’t sign Lowry or Washburn, that would = 4 of our 5 men in the rotation = Lefties.
I’ll take Bedard’s 5 innings of 2 run ball over Fister/Olson/Vargas/French’s 5 innings of 5 run ball any day. Better to have Fister/Olson/Vargas/French replace Bedard in the 6th for two innings of relief than to have them start.
In all of this pitching, where is the big bat? I love the pitching rotation and am now proposing that the M’s make a move for ManRam. He makes total sense and LAD would pick up some of his contract at this point. There are no other big bats on the FA left and they could set themselves up to extend him next year when he hits FA, 2/25? Just speculation of course.
Haha WOW… first of all Ramirez would never take 2/25 (unless he gets suspended again or seriously injured). The Dodgers are really unlikely to deal him as well. I can’t imagine them eating much of him salary unless we sold our farm and to be honest who would do that for Manny Ramirez?
HaHa Wow… first off Damon tried to demand 4/54m and he is a Boras client and instead will settle for about 1/6-7 when it is all said and done. 2nd, why in the world would Manny cost the farm? That is unreasonable to even expect that of LAD. Draft picks for a guy who will not be offered arbitration next year since that could cost approx 30m makes total sense. And yes, a guy like ManRam could possibly help Bradley calm down and hit again. You’re expectation of what it would take to land Manny is completely unrealistic. Remember, last time Manny signed a contract, he and Boras were expecting 5/100 and signed for 2/45. Now, after missing 50 games last year for illegal substances, 38 years old at his next contract, 2/25-30 seems realistic depending on what he ends up doing this year. Even if LAD eats 5m of his contract, that is better than nothing for them seeing as how he is gone no matter what next year. I am all ears to a better option for the M’s but don’t really see one.
What makes you think the Dodgers are going to deal Ramirez and more importantly the M’s would deal for him. A RH power hitter that can’t field and will not come cheap doesn’t fit Seattle’s MO. Not going to happen. Put it behind you.
What makes you think that the Dodgers aren’t going to deal Ramirez? If they can get him for next to nothing and slide him into the DH spot, why not? LAD got him for next to nothing in the first place in the 3 way deal with PIT and BOS. Funny how this is not in the MO, “A RH power hitter that can’t field and will not come cheap doesn’t fit Seattle’s MO. Not going to happen” but SEA was in on every rumor for Jason Bay till he finally signed with NYM. It just so happens that he is a RH power bat that can’t field, so how do you defend your argument? He had a negative rating in a fielders park. You have pitching, but no power in the lineup, so, again, if you could pick up a guy like ManRam for next to nothing and slide him between LF and DH, why would you not?
I’ll say it again, propose a better option.
I’ll ask you again, how is it that Manny will carry a “farm” sized trade price tag? He won’t.
the mariner’s seemed pretty open about the fact that they weren’t interested in Bay. That was mostly other people hypothesizing that they would be
Open ended question for you, I really don’t have an answer to it: Name player/s in their final contract year (rental) who carried a farm sized trade value that would be the equivalent of what you are saying that Manny would require?
Ok I didn’t literally mean sell our farm. I apologize for the confusion. But I’m not sure the M’s front office would ever trade any prospects of value for a right-handed power hitter with an iron glove, steroid problems, clubhouse issues and a high salary. At least not enough value in prospects that LA would be interested in trading his bat in their lineup. The M’s would be better off dealing th0ose prospects for a hitter who fits their agenda a bit better (decent glove, at least neutral clubhouse guy, etc.).
Don’t mention Bradley as proof that the M’s don’t care about clubhouse effects either. Bradley was a potential contributor whereas Silva was not. They got something for nothing hoping the positives outweigh the negatives. That likely wouldn’t be the case with Manny.
Dude, not trying to keep this one alive, but with no real power options in the lineup, whether it’s a RH or LH option, any is better than none. I think we would all agree with that. Also, when Manny was traded to LAD, he was carrying about as bad of a clubhouse rep as anyone EVER. And when traded, not one issue that year. Now you pointed out Bradley, but, I really believe that adding someone like Manny to the clubhouse with Bradley will actually level that situation out. He also adds bat protection for Bradley. Is this the perfect solution? No. But if SEA wants to keep guys like Cliff Lee, they need to offer a postseason caliber team, and quick.
And honestly, it would not take much to pry Manny from LAD. He is gonna walk anyways next year, and LA will let him because it will be time for him to take a DH role for the rest of his career which would work out great for SEA. NYY and BOS do not appear to have room for him in their future lineups, so… Again, this is nothing more than speculation on a Bedard forum, but I am trying to think of how SEA is really going to truly compete with no real bat in the lineup.
Like I said, not just to you, but anyone on here, if you have a better idea for your team, I am completely open to hearing it. I would love to see the M’s break out in what could be Griffey’s final year in baseball as well as himself!
1985 Cardinals hit 87 home runs and won the world series. That’s all I’m gonna say.
Bedard will only get about 2 million with 5m incentives
Yeah tell that to Ben Sheets.
Yes, but it is already known that Bedard is going to miss 70+ games
How in the world did Sheets ever get the money he did? Bedard who has actually pitched in the AL seems like a better gamble for 1.5 than 10m on a guy who missed the entire last season and has never pitched in the AL.
It will be great if it happens…. no big deal if it doesn’t. Low risk high reward. Injury prone, glass arm, yadda yadda yadda….. If he’s healthy the guy has an absolutely filthy curve and IF the M’s make it to the playoffs…. look out.
[quote]To just replicate last year they need Hernandez to stay healthy and repeat his career year. [/quote]
Take a look at his past 3 years ERA. Do you see the trend? I don’t think a repeat or even better is out of the question.
Keep discounting the M’s everyone. I like it that way. 🙂
I think we are all just wondering how far small ball will get you. No offense but that is what the lineup looks like to all of us. Great staff, but as I stated earlier, where is the big bat that will be necessary to contend?
Anyone else think the Ms have to sign Bedard simply to make sure the Bedard trade doesn’t go down as potentially the worst trade of all time?
More or less.. but if hes going to sign for cheap, its a absolute.
Umm.. No? Completely different management. Our staff couldn’t care less about past reputation. It’s a new era in Mariner baseball, focusing on the past will just run us into trouble. Just look at what Jack Z has done thus far, by trading away ALL of Bavasi’s #1 draft picks except Fields.
Wow. I just signed on today and saw that every single one of this Rosterbator guy’s posts have been removed. The guy must have a mouth like a drunken Andrew Dice Clay.
a troller
a hammerhead who hammered the same point over and over
but if he was — as some suspected — either Erik Bedard or Bedard’s agent, he’s busy signing papers today and preparing to hold a press conference where he will hold up a list containing every name of anyone who ever said anything against him. and then declaring himself injured until september.
Mariners are a middle of the order bat short of where I think they need to be. That said, their GM appears to be the kind of guy who will go find that bat.
If Bedard gets healthy and they have a top 3 of Felix. Lee and Bedard, the rest of the AL could be in a lot of trouble.
if bedard when hes able to return can stay healthy which i doubt… yes the M’s will have a great 1 , 2 ,3 no arguing that… and yes theyve come a very long way from where they were 2 years ago. They’ve done a great job. but im still not worried at all about the mariners… not yet.. they need bigger bats if they really wanna scare teams.. yes pitching and defense, base running wins games.. but when they play the yankees who clearly have a much better hitting team i still think theyll have a hard time. Yes lee and felix might shut them down but ill take the yankees line up facing them..over the mariners lines up facing CC, burnett, javier.. who can deal themselves…same with the redsox.. there rotation is still dominent who i think will be able to shut down the M’s..but besides them the M’s should have a very very good chance at winning alot of games this year. i just think there still a few big bats away before there really contending..thats all. and im not hating on the M’s bc they will be a competitive team no doubt.
I think they’ll get that bat somewhere. Their offense is enough to win the AL West, no doubt, but you are absolutely right they don’t have the stick to hang with the Yankees and Red Sox.
I wouldn’t be shocked to see Adrian Gonzales end up there. They have the prospects to pull it off. Also, if Prince Fielder somehow hits the market he could go there.
The M’s appear to be stacking the deck to make a run for it, so I don’t think any prospect would be off limits for a bat of that caliber.
completely agree about gonzo or another big bat.. the m’s have been stocking up on trade bait
people keep complaining about adding someone with pop, but if the first 8 players on the team get a base hit, thats 5 points on the board. and you know ichiro and chone will be on 3rd base on the hit or on 2nd with a steal. the other thing is we’ve added players who work the counts more and thats where the M’s started to kill the opposing teams last year; once the starter is out — its game time. being a pitcher seeing people get hits off you is demoralizing… in the course of a game if the Ms get double digit hits as a team on someone, it makes its mark and they WILL start to make bigger mistakes where one of our guys will send it into the stands.
i would love to have adrian gonzales in the lineup though.
Chris Crawford of Prospect Insider just confirmed the deal as well.
Another bad day for the mets if this goes through. Does anyone know when Omar comes off his offseason vacation?
Naaah, Bedard’s timing is off. The time to join the Mets’ DL was last season.
Will you teach me your ways? By ways, I mean, of course, your ability to type in italics.
I can try. Does this help?
i think that the m’s have a fantastic chance to get that one big bat at the trade deadline guys. what you have to realize is they are stockpiling multiple CHEAP first basemen (kotchman/garko), a CHEAP byrnes in left, and other great prospects in the minors (triunifel, moore, etc.) that they could make a very impressive package for a team that is trying to shed salary (e.g. THE PADRES). Adrian Gonzalez has a terrific chance to end up in seattle. The red sox prospective trade bait has much higher salaries than those guys do. Watch jackie z’s magic unfold this year. If they got adrian they will make a deeeep playoff run this year.
Great Point jackiezforpres….
Garko, Kotchman, Byrnes are just the type of players to use to acquire the MOST sought after bat that will potentially hit the trade market….
Great insight and idea’s.
To everyone who thinks the M’s can’t win without a “big bat,” please read this. The traditional power bat is a not a requisite to win. ussmariner.com/2009/12/04/the-template/
If the Cubs are out of contention by the break, I could see them shipping Derrek Lee to the Mariners for a young arm (Rowland-Smith?) Kotchman/Garko, and perhaps an outfield prospect. Lee would fill that power void at first base quite nicely for the M’s as a half-season rental, and the Cubs, who, let’s face it, are entering a rebuilding era after this season, are going to need to capitalize on anything valuable they have.
You’re crazy if you think Lee is gonna get all that in return…he’ll get none of that actually. He’s not worth RRS alone at this point in his career and we’re certainly not dumb enough to ship him, plus two others off for Lee…
Don’t worry…The Cubs are unlikely to trade Lee and, even if they did, I’m sure the Cubs have no interest in getting a bottom of the rotation starter like RRS and/or either of those two backup-type first basemen. Those guys don’t hold nearly the type of value that you seem to think they do.
RRS would crush in the weak hitting NL Central. Easily a #3 starter for the Cubs – I would even say a possible #2. I like Lee as a 1st baseman, but you can keep him. Jack and co. are holding out for a mid season trade with SD for AGon.
Nice try on the switching leagues cliche, but not every pitcher who switches league sees a benefit. Pitchers with no out pitch don’t “crush” in any league. It isn’t a matter of what league he’s in, it’s a matter of having pretty average stuff across the board. He also doesn’t pitch a lot of innings. He’s a bottom of the rotation guy in any league, any division. He’s always going to depend on his defense. Playing in a big ballpark helps too…Seattle may actually be the best place for him to play.
Most pitchers moving out of the NL Central would not benefit. But pitchers moving in would. It’s undeniable the NL Central is the weakest division in baseball. RRS has 4 pitches, and effectively uses his curve and changeup as his out pitch. He also averaged almost 7 innings per game last year as a starter.
Your bias aside, he’s got 4 pitches and none are considered to be above average outside Seattle fandom– and none are considered out pitches…that is the very definition of a bottom of the rotation guy. That won’t change by switching leagues. 7 innings per start is nice but it’s a small sample size. He hasn’t proven to be durable over the long haul. Some teams would use him out of the bullpen.
remove Ryan Rowland Smith from this and you might be talking. Lee had a great season last year but he’d be a 36 year old half season rental.
I’d say a trade would look something like 1 of Garko/Kotchman and Ezequiel Carrera for Lee.
First of all, Lee is 34. He’s also athletic and plays first base, so he’s got a few more productive years left than your average 34 year old. Secondly, if the Cubs were to trade Lee it would mean they are rebuilding and would likely want prospects and not backup type first basemen who have less power than Carlos Zambrano.
Your headline, “Mariner’s agree to sign Bedard,” makes it sound like he held them hostage and made them give him a contract. Eric, um, yeah, okay. Chill. We’ll give you a contract. Now let us out of the room.
Try this: “Mariners, Bedard, agree on a contract for 2010”
Oh, I’m not criticizing you. It just reads funny the way it’s currently written.
You’re cool.
I think this is a wise decision by the Mariners.
When a healthy Erik Bedard joins the Seattle rotation mid-season LOOK OUT American League West rivals!
The rotation of Felix RH, Lee LH, Bedard LH, Snell RH and Rowland-Smith LH is going to be a force IF all are healthy. BIG IF.
I must say, this is a good deal for both sides. Bedard can finish his rehab where he started it, and the M’s reap the benefits if all goes well. The M’s aren’t out a lot if the worse case scenario happens either.
Mike/Tim, we’re currently in the AM portion of the day 🙂 It’s all about accuracy!
The AL West just got crazier.
“50/50 that Bedard gives the Mariners less than 50 quality innings”
Bedard has never gone under 80 innings in a year (exception for 2002). For the last two he PLAYED THROUGH serious injury and STILL posted ERAs of .367 and .282. By the way .282 makes the MLB top 10 list for last year.
If you multiply his innings by 2 for 08 and 09 you get roughly his 07 numbers. Which were definitely quality.
This year he WILL be healthy. He has to be, his money and his career depend on it. He knows that. He won’t start out the season if he knows he’s still injured. And when he’s healthy, he’s a beast. Don’t underestimate him in 2010
er… i meant the only times he’s gone under 80 were the last two seasons. my bad.
So the Cardinals miss out on Bedard…………………. tisk tisk…………………….
8 miilon dollar option…………………. peanuts these days.
Still, I hear that that Jim Lebow guy throws the ball pretty well. Hopefully we can get him.
Great deal for the M’s. At worst the M’s end up eating the $1.5M which is peanuts in the MLB marketplace. At best Bedard becomes the equivalent of a mid-season rent-a-player for the pennant run without having to give up any prospects for him.
wow, just making their team more and more stronger by the day.
Any chance that we still end up trading for Harang?
With all the potential LHP starters, and now adding Bedard, I would think Harang would be HUGE espeically if Cincy sent $4M cash back on Harang which I would expect.
It would also give a very balanced rotation without having 4 LHPs, and Snell would be bumped to the pen in long relief…or sent back to Cincy in the same trade?!
Felix/Lee/Harang/Bedard/RRS.
Damn.
Interesting read in the Balitmore Sun on Mac”F”ails comments on their offer being very similar to Seattle’s but Bedard still picking Seattle:
baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/bal-sp.osbedard07f…
I have a Mac”F”ail conspiracy theory.
The end of 2007, Bedard was put on the 60-Day DL, and didn’t pitching past 8/26 that year. I know Bedard had to pass a physical with Seattle, but Bavasi was so blasted desperate to make anything work I feel that as long as Bedard walked in without an amputated left arm…the deal was going to get done.
Rotoworld 9/09/2007: Manager Dave Trembley said the Orioles probably will reach a decision Sunday on whether to shut down Erik Bedard for the season. Bedard has stopped baseball activities.The AL strikeout leader hasn’t pitched since Aug. 26.
Rotoworld 10/24/2007: Erik Bedard, Kris Benson, Jay Gibbons, Adam Loewen and Chris Ray were activated from the 60-day disabled list.
I wanted Bedard really bad at the time, but I was extremely skeptical about his health coming off of the 60 DL. The question is “Why” they took him off prior to the MLB WS in 2007 was to trade him. I felt MacPhail and the O’s management knew that there could be continued Bedard injuries going into 2008. So thus their huge effort that offseason to hurry up and trade him to the highest bidder. They had BoSox, Dodgers, Cincy, and Seattle as potential trade candidates asking for the moon.
Bavasi ended up being the lone sucker in the end, and MacPhail literally soaked our franchise with Bavasi’s ignorance!
This was such an unethical trade to start with, and I even thought MacPhail wanted another organization to take the 2008-2009 risk of Bedard, and then they would come back and work at grabbing him back in FA in 2010. That would of been horrible PR for Seattle, despite Bavasi already being sent packing.
WOW…like the Baltimore Sun article above clearly brought out now…they were working as hard as the M’s to do it too!
My worse nightmare was that Bedard would go back to the O’s on the contract he just signed with Seattle. This would of been the final nail in the coffin on the Bedard deal, and to slap the M’s franchise in the face even more. MacPhail would of landed our franchise’s 6 top prospects AND get Bedard back 2 years later.
UNBELIEVABLE.
I do NOT like MacPhail and his unethical business practices, and will be happy if we NEVER trade with him ever again. You can bet the Z Man has already figured that out too, so we won’t have to worry about that.