People in the Royals organization “love” Red Sox shortstop prospect Jose Iglesias, according to Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe. The 20-year-old Cuban is hitting .306/.340/.408 in AA, so chances are most teams like the looks of him. Not only can Iglesias hit, “scouts can’t say enough about [his] defensive ability,” according to Baseball America.
All of Boston's 29 rivals would probably have some interest in Iglesias, who signed an $8.25MM deal with the Red Sox last summer. The Royals’ interest in the shortstop doesn’t mean the Red Sox would consider moving him, but it’s noteworthy as the trade deadline approaches.
Because of their depleted outfield, the Red Sox would like to acquire a left-handed hitting outfielder. David DeJesus, who is playing well and under contract for just $4.7MM this year, fits that description. Cafardo hears that the Royals want a lot in return for DeJesus in potential trades, though there’s no sign that the Red Sox would so much as consider moving their shortstop prospect. The Royals will have a top shortstop prospect of their own, once they officially agree to terms with Christian Colon.
Hahaha. No.
Do not let him go….. Not like we did with Hanley.
Exactly why they won’t. Plus this kid’s defense has been compared to Omar Vizquel. Even a .280 hitter who hits doubles and has a decent amount of steals is valuable with his defense
Not sure what’s sillier, associating Iglesias with Hanley or implying that trading Hanley was a mistake.
Either way, you get a “no” too.
What’s wrong with associating he two? all he is implying was that the Sox traded away their shortstop of the future before (and even though it got the WC) they don’t want to do it again. And I highly doubt the Red Sox are a David Dejesus from the World Series. They have a good enough team atm.
I didn’t say it was wrong; I said it was silly. It is.Yes they do want to do it again if it turns out like the Hanley trade did, especially since he’s no Hanley.Of course Dejesus isn’t a high caliber piece. Again, mentioning it at all is just silliness. There is no useful comparison to make.
umm everyone knew hanley was a great prospect when he got traded but no one knew he was gonna be arguably the best ss in the mlb…same with iglesias, he has a very high ceiling and is 20 years old…its possible that in a few years he will be at hanley’s level…and dejesus is def not worth it…hanley was traded for one of the best young pitchers in baseball at that time.
You ain’t right. Hanley’s developmental question marks concerned his defense and his composure as a prospect. And those weren’t even a question of potential, but of whether or not he’d fulfill that potential.
Iglesias on the other hand was drafted as a gifted defensive SS who would be lucky to become an average hitter. Even now, his offensive potential is pushing its limits and his ceiling in that respect is maybe half as high as Hanley’s ever was.
No one on earth thinks DeJesus is worth Iglesias or that it would ever be considered. “Don’t let him go like we did with Hanley” is silly because letting go of Hanley was a good thing, not because letting go of Iglesias for DeJesus would be smart. Didn’t think I’d need to explain that.
I am tired of the “carousel” of shortstops we have went through in the last years, and would like some stability at the position. I meant by saying “Don’t let him go like we did with Hanley.” that maybe we should develop Iglesias, much like the organization did with Pedroia or Youkilis, and see what the kid can do. My bad for offending you with my “silliness”.
Why are you being weird about “offending” me? It’s a comments thread. I don’t think anyone’s worked up over anything.
That’s neat that you’re tired of not having a regular competent shortstop. Would you prefer a regular competent shortstop and losing in the ALCS year in & out or a “carousel” and a couple championships? Not a difficult question for me.
Why are you being weird about “offending” me? It’s a comments thread. I don’t think anyone’s worked up over anything.
That’s neat that you’re tired of not having a regular competent shortstop. Would you prefer a regular competent shortstop and losing in the ALCS year in & out or a “carousel” and a couple championships? Not a difficult question for me.
I am tired of the “carousel” of shortstops we have went through in the last years, and would like some stability at the position. I meant by saying “Don’t let him go like we did with Hanley.” that maybe we should develop Iglesias, much like the organization did with Pedroia or Youkilis, and see what the kid can do. My bad for offending you with my “silliness”.
“arguably the best ss in the mlb” Arguably?
yes arguably…tulo is there and hes actually higher based on elias ranking for what its worth…
yes arguably…tulo is there and hes actually higher based on elias ranking for what its worth…
“arguably the best ss in the mlb” Arguably?
umm everyone knew hanley was a great prospect when he got traded but no one knew he was gonna be arguably the best ss in the mlb…same with iglesias, he has a very high ceiling and is 20 years old…its possible that in a few years he will be at hanley’s level…and dejesus is def not worth it…hanley was traded for one of the best young pitchers in baseball at that time.
DeJesus is a stud, and the Royals are right to ask a lot for him especially since teams will be getting more desperate, but this is too much
He is not nearly good enough to warrant including someone as important to the Red Sox as Iglesias is in a deal.
A stud? DeJesus is a solid everyday outfielder, nothing more.
Hahaha and the Yankees are in love with Strasburg. Maybe they can trade Nick Swisher for him. Come on
DeJesus is good, no doubt about it. However asking for a player who could be the next best short stop is asking for a bit too much
Could this expressed interest have been leaked to get the Red Sox discussing Greinke? Just a thought.
Personally I don’t want to see Greinke under the lights of Boston after seeing him fold like a few years ago. hope the kid can stay in KC and keep where he’s comfortable and keep his career on track.
I agree and I said it many times: Greinke is extremely overrated…he had just one good year and in 05 he lost 17 games!!17!! and he has social anxiety disorder which would not help him if he played in a city like Boston where the media is way crazier than KC.
He’s had at least two good years for a pitcher his age, one of which was dominant. And 2005? You mean his second season in the bigs — on the Royals — when he sported a 4.49 FIP despite a .343 BABIP?
I don’t want Greinke in Boston either because of composure concerns, but there’s no need to crap on the kid’s stuff. It’s electric and his head has always been the only thing holding him back.
I agree 100% there should be no questions about his performance (Plus P W used wins in his argument which makes it null and void), the only questions are in his head.
He’s had at least two good years for a pitcher his age, one of which was dominant. And 2005? You mean his second season in the bigs — on the Royals — when he sported a 4.49 FIP despite a .343 BABIP?
I don’t want Greinke in Boston either because of composure concerns, but there’s no need to crap on the kid’s stuff. It’s electric and his head has always been the only thing holding him back.
I agree and I said it many times: Greinke is extremely overrated…he had just one good year and in 05 he lost 17 games!!17!! and he has social anxiety disorder which would not help him if he played in a city like Boston where the media is way crazier than KC.
Starting pitching, even with Beckett on the DL for a large chunk of the season is about the LAST thing Boston is looking to acquire. The Sox farm system from AA on down especially is very deep with SP talent. No reason to give up prospects for even another immediate #1 type in grienke now, when they already have talents like Casey kelly, Felix Doubront, Alex Wilson, Kendal Volz, Madison Younginer, Drake britton, Stephen Fife, Kyle, Weiand, Manny Rivera and several others in the system.
If teams “love” Iglesias as a jays fan you have to feel good about having Hechevarria who is considered the better of the two. Teams can’t say enough about his defence but Hechevarria moved him to 2nd when they played on the Cuban national team.
Hech has the better bat. But I doubt any scouts would say Hech has the better defense. I haven’t read anything to suggest that the argument is even close too.
“Statistics for the six-foot, 170-pound athlete are sparse, and some think he may have to move off the position, but other reports praise his range and hands on defense.”
Just from the first search result I found.
“Some compare him to former Blue Jays’ Gold Glover Alfredo Griffin and others say he’s more suited to play the outfield.”
“He is a very good athlete and runs real well,” a scout said in the Post. “I don’t see him as a shortstop, I think he has a chance to be a center fielder in the mold of B.J. Upton. His throwing actions at short are kind of long.”
No real consensus on him from these articles but they are a bit old (oldest was written in Feb). But when Iglesius defected the only problem was his bat. He came in with an 80 on the Scouting Scale for defense.
Right. He was basically drafted with the understanding he’d probably never hit very well. His progress (too soon?) has been the cause for so many scouts & teams “falling in love” with him.
No way Iglesias goes to KC for DeJesus.. DeJesus is not even worth Reddick
Lol yeah he is…Reddick looks completely overmatched in the MLB right now and doesn’t have a very high ceiling. Best case scenario for Reddick is he becomes DeJesus like in 3 or 4 years after struggling for a few years with MLB at bats. Reddick is never going to get regular playing time in Boston.
DeJesus would be nothing but a quick fix in the Sox OF. I dont give up a prospect for him, sorry.
…That’s correct. What he’s explaining to you is that Reddick is barely a prospect anymore at this point. Which has nothing to do with DeJesus. Well, except that DeJesus is much better. So if the Royals only want Reddick, the answer is “where do we sign?”
“Reddick is barely a prospect”? Really? When did that happen?
According to SoxProspects.com he is ranked 8th in the system just to letya know.
Yeah, that’s an overstatement isn’t it. What I should have said is that his stock as a prospect probably hasn’t been lower in a long time. His ceiling has never been all that high, and he has been unimpressive against MLB talent.With Kalish, Lin, Fuentes, and presumably Westmorland around, Reddick is not a lot to give up for a guy like Dejesus. And I don’t even like DeJesus much.
solid everyday outfielder, nothing more.”
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Who is having a career year and producing at a rate many 10mil+ OF are. The RS don’t know how Ellsbury is going to return. I would not expect the guy who stole 70 bases.
KC should ask for 2 young P and one of the RS stud INF (not Inglesias, maybe Williamson). I’m not saying they’ll get that but that’s what they should be asking for, to a team that started 3 AAA OF the other night.
Go ahead and ask. I’m sure Theo could use a good laugh.
…And which despite that fact has the third best record in baseball with all of their regulars set to come back sooner rather than later. DeJesus is not worth even one quality prospect to me. Maybe he will be to Theo, but I’d be surprised.
He’s definitely not worth anything more than that.
It is a rib injury. Shouldn’t impact speed too much. Plus it is a fracture. Fractures heal 100% if rehab is done correctly.
Garrett Jones from Pittsburgh is a better fit than Dejesus.
Jones is younger, has more power, is cheaper, and is under control for longer (2013). He’s a 135 OPS+ his last 2 seasons in 653 plate appearances whereas Dejesus’ inflated 138 OPS+ this year comes from just over 300 plate appearances and is likely to regress to his career norms. Jones’ defense is solid at 1b or RF, he’s got a good arm, and he’ll steal a few bases too. Jones makes $425,000 while Dejesus makes $4.85…not that that’s a major consideration for the Red Sox.
and, to be clear, i’m not suggesting Jones nets the bucs a stud big $ SS prospect that all 30 teams love. I’m simply saying that it makes more sense for the Sox to look at Jones if they’re really contemplating LH OF options. If I’m Huntington I’m asking for starting pitching and SS prospects but I seriously doubt Iglesias ever enters the conversation.
Justin Upton’s pretty good too. What’s your point?
I’m not sure what you wouldn’t get about my point…
The article seems to try and connect dots between Dejesus and the Red Sox based on the Sox needs and Dejesus’ play. I think my post made it clear that Dejesus isn’t even the best LH OF help that could be considered by the Sox, all things considered, should they try and make a trade.
and then in my last post I addressed the fact that I don’t see the Red Sox trading Iglesias for a short term fix in their outfield.
I hope the clarification was helpful.
It was. Everything you said was correct. I just didn’t know why you were saying it.
Justin Upton is hardly the same level as Garret Jones, we’re talking age, ceiling, defense, absolutely everything. Unlike Upton, there’s a chance the Pirates would be willing to part with Jones for a decent price- not that I’m saying that the cost wouldn’t be prohibitive for what the red sox want (a short term fill-in), but your comment was pretty unneccesarily condescending.
What would a “necessarily condescending” comment look like I wonder. Not that it was condescension, even – I wanted to know what his point was.
Anyways, I actually thought Jones was a few years younger than he is. But even wit that difference, my point is the same: of course they’re both much better options than DeJesus, so are like a dozen others.
But not in terms of value. They’ll all cost too much to acquire for a position that is only temporarily unfilled.
i’m glad we worked through the confusion. I actually don’t see Jones being too costly. The Pirates won’t compete for 2-3 years…and by compete I mean sniff .500. Jones is 29. He won’t be part of a Pittsburgh team with playoff hopes and, while he looks legit after 600+ abs, there’s always that concern he’ll backslide in to that AAAA status. He could be a great pick up for a team looking for .285 25 85 production with decent OBP and solid defense. I think he’d hit even better than that in Boston with the protection he’d have. Maybe Alex Wilson/Stomy Piemental and Anthony Rizzo would be enough? To be clear, I’m not suggesting all three … one SP and Rizzo. Boston has plenty of SP depth in the minors … Wilson’s old for his level and Piemental hasn’t impressed by the numbers. Rizzo would hurt but Anderson is still in the system.
i’m glad we worked through the confusion. I actually don’t see Jones being too costly. The Pirates won’t compete for 2-3 years…and by compete I mean sniff .500. Jones is 29. He won’t be part of a Pittsburgh team with playoff hopes and, while he looks legit after 600+ abs, there’s always that concern he’ll backslide in to that AAAA status. He could be a great pick up for a team looking for .285 25 85 production with decent OBP and solid defense. I think he’d hit even better than that in Boston with the protection he’d have. Maybe Alex Wilson/Stomy Piemental and Anthony Rizzo would be enough? To be clear, I’m not suggesting all three … one SP and Rizzo. Boston has plenty of SP depth in the minors … Wilson’s old for his level and Piemental hasn’t impressed by the numbers. Rizzo would hurt but Anderson is still in the system.
I don’t think you’re wrong about what Jones would cost, I just disagree that it’s not too costly. There’s no place for him when injuries clear up, his offensive production isn’t critical and he doesn’t bring to the table on defense anything that’s currently missing.
Kinda sound like I’m downtalking him after talking him up, but not the case. I think he’s a really nice player for the next 4 or 5 years. But not one that will make 2 prospects worth of difference to the Sox team as it currently stands.
You don’t think 2 prospects could be worth a guy who could give you increased production until your injury bug clears up and then spot starts at LF, RF, and 1B to keep regulars fresh while maintaining a high-level production? Don’t worry… as soon as Rizzo and either pitcher got to Pittsburgh their prospect status would plummet, at least one of them would be injured within 3 weeks, and neither of them would ever perform at the big leagues.
You don’t think 2 prospects could be worth a guy who could give you increased production until your injury bug clears up and then spot starts at LF, RF, and 1B to keep regulars fresh while maintaining a high-level production? Don’t worry… as soon as Rizzo and either pitcher got to Pittsburgh their prospect status would plummet, at least one of them would be injured within 3 weeks, and neither of them would ever perform at the big leagues.
Ok… I’ve talked to some Pirates fans. How’s about Doubront and either Rizzo or Wilson for Jones? Better for Sox fans due to your pitching depth? Worse?
Replacing Rizzo with Wilson makes it interesting. I’d probably go for that if I had another deal in place to secure a spot for Jones. Otherwise he’d soon become a 29 y/o bench guy who cost me 2 prospects.
Alright…lets do it then. Jones for Doubront and Wilson. Make it so.
Alright…lets do it then. Jones for Doubront and Wilson. Make it so.
alright, sorry if i misunderstood you, that’s just what it looked like to me. I definitely agree with your main point.
For the record “necessarily condescending” is the response that needs to come after someone suggests trading Lowell and Papelbon to the Padres for Adrian Gonzalez.
So you’re saying I’m reasonable… sweet.
So you’re saying I’m reasonable… sweet.
alright, sorry if i misunderstood you, that’s just what it looked like to me. I definitely agree with your main point.
For the record “necessarily condescending” is the response that needs to come after someone suggests trading Lowell and Papelbon to the Padres for Adrian Gonzalez.
What would a “necessarily condescending” comment look like I wonder. Not that it was condescension, even – I wanted to know what his point was.
Anyways, I actually thought Jones was a few years younger than he is. But even wit that difference, my point is the same: of course they’re both much better options than DeJesus, so are like a dozen others.
But not in terms of value. They’ll all cost too much to acquire for a position that is only temporarily unfilled.
“People in the Royals organization “love” Red Sox shortstop prospect Jose Iglesias”
Oh fabulous. So finally we have a replacement for Buchholz as the guy that every team demands in trade, whether their player is worth anything or not.
We all had to sit through enough “A-Gon for garbage” proposals, now it’s time for the other teams to demand Buccholz and Iglesias
Other teams have been demanding nothing but Buchholz for the past three years. That was my point.
Seriously, the Rangers wanted Buchholz for their third-string catcher. It was just ridiculous.
Haven’t heard much from the “Buccholz is so overrated/unproven” group lately.
They must be on vacation with the group that was aaaaallllll over the Sox F.O. this offseason for NOT ENOUGH OFFENSE IDIOTS HOWYOUGONNA REPLACE JASON BAY LOL SOX R SO DUM
Bay was so overrated in Boston. He honestly wasn’t that outstanding.
Haven’t heard much about Price and Hughes being overrated either…
Haven’t heard much from the “Buccholz is so overrated/unproven” group lately.
They must be on vacation with the group that was aaaaallllll over the Sox F.O. this offseason for NOT ENOUGH OFFENSE IDIOTS HOWYOUGONNA REPLACE JASON BAY LOL SOX R SO DUM
You know who else loves Jose Iglesias? Theo Epstein.
How about a 3-way trade with the Mets / Mariners / Red Sox…
Mets: get Cliff Lee
Mariners: get F-Mart, one low A Mets prospect, ( 1 pitching prospect from Bos )
Red Sox : get Carlos Beltran
we dont want the mets garbage…unless the mets are willing to take the full contract of mike lowell
wow…u know acting obnoxious doesn’t = acting intelligent
we dont want the mets garbage…unless the mets are willing to take the full contract of mike lowell
Carlos who?
Carlos who?
So just to be clear the Red Sox give up 1 pitching prospect in return for Carlos Beltran? And the Mets give up F-Mart, Beltran, and a low A prospect for Lee? Does that really make sense to you? From any of the 3 teams involved in this trade?
For the Red Sox, they will be taking on Beltran’s 18 million dollar contract next year…hence the reason they only have to give up 1 prospect for him….so lets say they give up 2 prospects to Seattle…
For Seattle it makes sense to acquire F-Mart, he is only 21…and the 1-2 other prospects only make up for the draft pick they would lose.
For the Mets, they are dealing from a position of strength…they would not even be dealing their best CF prospect…( Kirk N. )…plus it is very likely that 18 year old Wilmer Flores is moved to a Corner OF position in the future…
Plus getting out from Beltran’s 18 million dollar salary would enable them to resign Lee to a 3 year extension with a 4th year option.
all of this is assuming beltran is healthy..
Yeah, see that’s why this doesn’t make sense to me, the Sox don’t need a CF after this season and aren’t an organization that’s going to pay 18MM to a very injury prone player.
It does not make sense for Seattle to acquire F-Mart, because last I checked they got this guy named Franklin out there, and F-Mart doesn’t project to have a whole lot of power, which is what the M’s need on offense. Ichiro, Franklin, and Martinez would probably be one of the lightest hitting OF’s in the league.
The Mets actually seem to make out in this proposal, so I guess from their standpoint it makes sense, get a lot of salary relief, an ace to put up there with Johan, and deal away a couple of prospects.
Overall, it seems extremely unrealistic that this would even come close to happening.
hmm…thought cameron was signed to a 1 year deal…and as for
franklin…does he play LF and CF ?
No they signed Mike C. to a 2 year, and Franklin is probably the best defensive CFer in the game, moving him to LF would lower his value, as his bat is good but not very much pop.
no, i was thinking of moving Pagan over to LF
And then where does Bay play? Or are you saying the Mets would deal Pagan to the M’s, in which case they would have no one to play CF for their team.
right…if they dealt pagan and kept beltran…they play beltran this year (
cross their fingers ) and let him ride out his contract…
pagan would play LF at seattle…him and ichiro at the top of the lineup
would be formidable…
the mets would just ride out the contract and eventually replace Beltran in
CF with either Kirk N or F-Mart …
but b/c these are the mets….beltran would get hurt next year…they wont
offer him arb., he’ll go to the yankees on a team-friendly contract…then
he’ll proceed to hit 45 HR batting in a lil league park in front of A-Rod
and in back of Jeter…while the Daily News has him on the cover of their
paper everyday…including off-days…and the off-season
Why are the Yankees, and their ballpark, being brought into this discussion? I fail to see the relevance.As for the actual discussion, I still believe that this entire scenario is ludicrous, I doubt the Mets would deal their only other player that is capable of playing CF when their main CF played less than half a season last year and no games so far this year, even for Minaya it doesn’t make sense. Plus, I don’t think the M’s want another OF bat without very much pop, they already have that in Franklin and Ichiro, it would make more sense for them to get a player with at least 25HR power to slot in LF, or any position for that matter.
So just to be clear the Red Sox give up 1 pitching prospect in return for Carlos Beltran? And the Mets give up F-Mart, Beltran, and a low A prospect for Lee? Does that really make sense to you? From any of the 3 teams involved in this trade?
How about a 3-way trade with the Mets / Mariners / Red Sox…
Mets: get Cliff Lee
Mariners: get F-Mart, one low A Mets prospect, ( 1 pitching prospect from Bos )
Red Sox : get Carlos Beltran
How frustrating. Even reasonable suggested deals involving solid players from small market teams can’t get any discussion. Baseball needs parity. I hope a cap and a floor eventually find their way in to the CBA.
How frustrating. Even reasonable suggested deals involving solid players from small market teams can’t get any discussion. Baseball needs parity. I hope a cap and a floor eventually find their way in to the CBA.
A three team trade with K.C., Minnesota and Boston might work:
Boston gets DeJesus and Callapaso
K.C. gets Iglesias and Brendan Harris
Minnesota gets Mike Lowell, Bill Hall and cash from K.C.
suggested deals involving solid players from small market…”
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The RS aren’t in a position of strength at the moment. If KC deals DeJesus they want maximum value. But RS have a “rookie” who got 2 doubles off Jimenez last night so KC shouldn’t set their demands so high they lose out on a potentially good deal for them.
Aaaagain…3rd best record in baseball despite the season-long absence of their ace, their #3 pitching like a #5, and their first four starting outfielders all out with injuries consistently.
Though Lackey will probably continue to pitch like a dog, both the ace and the outfielders are on schedule to come back. The only significant players set for regression are the substitute OFers who will be replaced anyway and Adrian Beltre.
…Not in a position of stength, though? They certainly aren’t weak.
Actually, Buchholz should definitely see some regression too. But not necessarily a lot, and both Beckett and Matsuzaka (mostly Beckett) will more than offset whatever regression there is.
I agree with your post. Buchholz is pitching a bit over his head this year but Beckett has been just plain unlucky.
Buchholz’s peripherals are pretty scary, but at least some of it can be attributed to a new pitching approach he’s been experimenting with.
His strikeout numbers for example are way, way down – but that’s actually pretty typical for first-year Sox starters. At least it was for Lester. Presumably they require the strikeout-stuff kids to attack the zone and learn to pitch to weak contact before mixing it up.
His peripherals indicate he’s been veeeery fortunate not to be burned more by this approach, but the point is that as soon as he does, he can reincorporate his default approach, pitch less to contact and it should balance out. Frankly I don’t think he’s pitching that far above his talent level.
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Saying “the Royals love Jose Iglesias” is kind of like saying “the Pirates love Clay Buchholz” or “the Orioles love Casey Kelly.” Isn’t it common knowledge that Igelisas isn’t going anywhere? The Sox didn’t give a 19 year old Cuban defector/defensive wiz-kid 8 million dollars just to flip him, they scouted him and then signed him to be the shortstop of the future. When they signed him, it was said that his defense was Major League ready but that he had almost no bat and needed to spend some time in the weight room. His offense has been MUCH better than expected so far and could very well push up his Major League debut to as soon as next year with even a remote possibility of some playing time late this season. Anyways, unless Hanley becomes available or something..Igesias ain’t going anywhere.
It wasn’t really that he had no bat it was just that they didn’t know how it would project to the minors/majors.
True. I’ve also been reading that Iglesias has been assimilating himself to American culture/baseball very quickly and is also making great strides learning English. Everyone that sees him play usually says he has the best hands they’ve ever seen and his “makeup” is also getting a lot of praise from around the organization. Definitely not trade bait..
True. I’ve also been reading that Iglesias has been assimilating himself to American culture/baseball very quickly and is also making great strides learning English. Everyone that sees him play usually says he has the best hands they’ve ever seen and his “makeup” is also getting a lot of praise from around the organization. Definitely not trade bait..
It wasn’t really that he had no bat it was just that they didn’t know how it would project to the minors/majors.
Breaking: Prince Fielder “Loves” Morton’s steaks.
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