Alex Anthopoulos told Prime Time Sports that he has been on the phone with rival teams regularly as the Blue Jays continue exploring deals. The Blue Jays GM said on the FAN 590 that the team is willing to get creative between now and July 31st. Here are the details:
- Trade talks are picking up and the Jays "have been pretty active with respect to phone calls." Rival clubs are "starting to get the itch and starting to gather information."
- The Blue Jays are open to discussing any deal, though some players will naturally be harder to obtain than others. We heard earlier today that the Blue Jays are open to dealing Scott Downs, Jason Frasor and Kevin Gregg, but it sounds like other players could also be obtained for the right return.
- Anthopoulos says he likes to get "as creative as [he] can," and is open to three or four-team deals.
- Anthopoulos was in touch with Mariners GM Jack Zduriencik, since the Blue Jays were open to getting involved in possible Cliff Lee trades as a third or fourth team.
- The Blue Jays like Jose Bautista for his power, strong throwing arm and clubhouse presence, but Anthopoulos chose not to comment on whether the team would consider locking the AL home run leader up.
- Anthopoulos also noted that players are not immune to rumors. "They all look at MLBTradeRumors.com," he said.
I’ve said this before on the forums, and Alex’s comments here make me think it again.
If the Brewers are looking to trade Prince Fielder and want pitching back, the Jays make perfect sense as a partner in a three-way trade. They can provide the pitching to the Brewers, as they have a big pitching excess, and then get position playing prospects in return.
There is no way Jays go after Fielder with Wallace knocking at the door and they have too many guys that should already be DH’ing.
Corey Hart would be a great option as Jays don’t have any MLB ready OF. However, it only makes sense to acquire him if Lewis and Bautista is moved. Snider can move back to LF, Lind DH, Wells CF, Hart RF and then the Jays can look for a 3B and SS if they move Gonzalez.
I just get a feeling AA will do something crazy (in a good way) so I’ll trust AA, he hasn’t disappointed me so far.
I’m not saying the Jays go after Fielder. I’m saying they use Fielder to turn their pitching depth into hitting prospects, since the Brewers would want pitching back, and the Jays are one of the few teams with a ton of pitching prospects to trade away.
3-way deal could work. Jays and Brewers have been scouting each others farms and Jays do have interest in Lawrie which I think would move to 3B.
We could also use a speedy outfielder that can lead-off, similar to a prospect like Desmond Jennings.
Yes we could really use a top 5 prospect in baseball… and can Lawrie really play 3B at the big league level?
Not sure. AA and others are scouting him so it’s up to them to know. I think he can also be moved to the outfield as well but as far as I know is that he doesn’t have a natural position because he is not very good at defense.
And I see a similar mold to Desmond Jennings, not Desmond Jennings himself.
I wonder if there is any chance AA will look into acquiring BJ Upton?
Not sure. AA and others are scouting him so it’s up to them to know. I think he can also be moved to the outfield as well but as far as I know is that he doesn’t have a natural position because he is not very good at defense.
And I see a similar mold to Desmond Jennings, not Desmond Jennings himself.
I wonder if there is any chance AA will look into acquiring BJ Upton?
Yes we could really use a top 5 prospect in baseball… and can Lawrie really play 3B at the big league level?
If I’m just playing dreamer here, I can see something like this working out. I’m using the Angels as an example, because they’ve been a place its rumored Prince Fielder could fit in.
Angels get:
1B Prince Fielder (from MIL)
Brewers get:
LHP Trevor Reckling (from LAA)
LHP Tyler Skaggs (from LAA)
RHP Chad Jenkins (from TOR)
RHP Zach Stewart (from TOR)
Toronto gets:
2B/OF/3B Brett Lawrie (from MIL)
OF Peter Bourjos (from LAA)
Just using this as a sample, no need to get too concerned with all the particular names, especially the depth guys. A few weeks ago, I would have put Mike Trout in there heading to the Jays instead of Bourjos, but with all the hype around him lately that’s probably not likely.
interesting…. would probably have to replace bourjos with trout and make LAA give the crew a bit more…. jenkins and stewart are both good arms although jenkins is a ways away
Zach Stewart and Chad Jenkins combined don’t have the value of Trout.
Zach Stewart and Chad Jenkins combined don’t have the value of Trout.
lol good luck luring Trout.
lol good luck luring Trout.
Trout is now considered one of the top five prospects in the minors. You want him and Lawrie at all, let alone without trading any of your very best young pitchers? Zero chance.
Add Henderson Alvarez and/or Brad Mills to Zach Stewart and Chad Jenkins and it might be enough.
Nope. You’re not going to get that much quality for quantity.
The Angels wouldn’t trade Trout alone for Fielder.
Nope. You’re not going to get that much quality for quantity.
The Angels wouldn’t trade Trout alone for Fielder.
Add Henderson Alvarez and/or Brad Mills to Zach Stewart and Chad Jenkins and it might be enough.
interesting…. would probably have to replace bourjos with trout and make LAA give the crew a bit more…. jenkins and stewart are both good arms although jenkins is a ways away
I think Fielder can get more than that and I think Brewers would want Marcum instead of Stewart or Jenkins. Marcum is cheap and under control and would be a number 2 starter and getting Lawrie and Bourjos back for Marcum is pretty good.
If AA does want to get good prospects, then I think he`ll try to chase down 3, maybe even 4-way deals.
I think Fielder can get more than that and I think Brewers would want Marcum instead of Stewart or Jenkins. Marcum is cheap and under control and would be a number 2 starter and getting Lawrie and Bourjos back for Marcum is pretty good.
If AA does want to get good prospects, then I think he`ll try to chase down 3, maybe even 4-way deals.
If I’m just playing dreamer here, I can see something like this working out. I’m using the Angels as an example, because they’ve been a place its rumored Prince Fielder could fit in.
Angels get:
1B Prince Fielder (from MIL)
Brewers get:
LHP Trevor Reckling (from LAA)
LHP Tyler Skaggs (from LAA)
RHP Chad Jenkins (from TOR)
RHP Zach Stewart (from TOR)
Toronto gets:
2B/OF/3B Brett Lawrie (from MIL)
OF Peter Bourjos (from LAA)
Just using this as a sample, no need to get too concerned with all the particular names, especially the depth guys. A few weeks ago, I would have put Mike Trout in there heading to the Jays instead of Bourjos, but with all the hype around him lately that’s probably not likely.
3-way deal could work. Jays and Brewers have been scouting each others farms and Jays do have interest in Lawrie which I think would move to 3B.
We could also use a speedy outfielder that can lead-off, similar to a prospect like Desmond Jennings.
I’m not saying the Jays go after Fielder. I’m saying they use Fielder to turn their pitching depth into hitting prospects, since the Brewers would want pitching back, and the Jays are one of the few teams with a ton of pitching prospects to trade away.
which is why he said as a third team and receive a position playing prospect in return…. which is a good idea although you can never have too much pitching but a third base prospect would be golden
Corey Hart? Yuck. I’d rather stick with Bautista to be honest. Leave Snider in LF, Wells in CF. Plus why move Lewis? He obviously doesn’t have much trade value since he was got for $80K.
Corey Hart? Yuck. I’d rather stick with Bautista to be honest. Leave Snider in LF, Wells in CF. Plus why move Lewis? He obviously doesn’t have much trade value since he was got for $80K.
There is no way Jays go after Fielder with Wallace knocking at the door and they have too many guys that should already be DH’ing.
Corey Hart would be a great option as Jays don’t have any MLB ready OF. However, it only makes sense to acquire him if Lewis and Bautista is moved. Snider can move back to LF, Lind DH, Wells CF, Hart RF and then the Jays can look for a 3B and SS if they move Gonzalez.
I just get a feeling AA will do something crazy (in a good way) so I’ll trust AA, he hasn’t disappointed me so far.
I doubt the Jays are looking to move some of the young arms but if the Brewers want Litsch, Richmond, Tallet, Downs, Fraser I am sure that Alex would do it. Why would they move any others, as a Jays fan the future is looking up and Rogers could raise the payroll to 110 mill+ to compete if the right guys were out there.
Well, it’s because they already have more than 5 young guys that are worth being in the rotation. Right now, you’ve got Marcum, Romero, Morrow, Cecil and Rzepczynski that all belong in the rotation. On top of that, you have Litsch and Richmond that have been there before and have a right to fight for a spot. Then you get to Kyle Drabek knocking on the door, Zach Stewart not far behind, and guys like Chad Jenkins that could be here in 2012. They’ll have to move some of that depth, and if they can do so in getting position players at holes they have, it would be a great move. If they could trade, say, Stewart and Jenkins, in return for a great third base prospect or however it works, they’d be well-served to it. Since prospect for prospect trades are rare, doing so in the context of a Fielder deal makes it possible.
Well, it’s because they already have more than 5 young guys that are worth being in the rotation. Right now, you’ve got Marcum, Romero, Morrow, Cecil and Rzepczynski that all belong in the rotation. On top of that, you have Litsch and Richmond that have been there before and have a right to fight for a spot. Then you get to Kyle Drabek knocking on the door, Zach Stewart not far behind, and guys like Chad Jenkins that could be here in 2012. They’ll have to move some of that depth, and if they can do so in getting position players at holes they have, it would be a great move. If they could trade, say, Stewart and Jenkins, in return for a great third base prospect or however it works, they’d be well-served to it. Since prospect for prospect trades are rare, doing so in the context of a Fielder deal makes it possible.
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I doubt the Jays are looking to move some of the young arms but if the Brewers want Litsch, Richmond, Tallet, Downs, Fraser I am sure that Alex would do it. Why would they move any others, as a Jays fan the future is looking up and Rogers could raise the payroll to 110 mill+ to compete if the right guys were out there.
how much do you guys pay Anthopoulos to name drop? LOL. He also mentioned MLBTR at the state of the franchise meeting in January.
Alex Anthopoulos is a pretty smart guy… +1 on the MLBTR name drop!
Alex Anthopoulos is a pretty smart guy… +1 on the MLBTR name drop!
I would guess that the whitesox would be after jose batts. They probably wont go after prince due to scott boras….adam dunns is a douche and refuses to DH even though his career would be extended greatly if he would accept that fact…The sox have some good prospects to get a deal with the Jays done, flowers, danks(jordan), torres, marquez, a some one else would be a pretty decent deal for jose batts…the sox could use him at 3rd(big improvement over teahan) and slot vicedio to DH full time
what do jays have to pay for beckham? downs jose batts and myself?
honestly probably the only way beckham would be moved is if it was for prince or adrian, and we knew lilibridge could keep up his hot hitting, now if you were to say jose batts, and hill for flowers, beckham, jordan danks, and a few more minor leaguers then yeah probably
hmmm, flowers I doubt the jays would even want, their catching depth is insane, jordan danks is an interesting arm but I always hear sox fans using him as trade bait and I am not sure why… but jose is not worth a top tier prospect anyways although Im sure AA will act like hes a 40 HR a year hitter all of a sudden
so what about hill and jose for beckham, jordan danks(not john, jordan is an outfield prospect who is +++ in terms of defense and speed and hacing a hard time hitting right now), flowers could play C or 1st, and throw in an infield prospect
so what about hill and jose for beckham, jordan danks(not john, jordan is an outfield prospect who is +++ in terms of defense and speed and hacing a hard time hitting right now), flowers could play C or 1st, and throw in an infield prospect
the main reason us sox fans we say to use danks as trade bait is simply becuase with rios lock in in Center and Carlos a fan favorite and face of the franchise locked in in right…juan pierre in Left for this year and next year and jordan mitchell in the minors and the love kenny has for crawford(hope we go after him) there really isnt that much of a place for danks, we could use jose at 3rd and hope he really is this type of hitter and this just inst a fluke
he always had a good OBP (already 50plus walks)
3rd in the majors in no doubt homers and first in all homers
hes the real deal, just dont expect him to hit 45 or whatever he is on pace to do but 35 this year seems easily attainable and 25plus seems like a benchmark going forward
250-360-480 line is still good plus he has team control next year… and your welcome for rios…
hahaha seriously thank you so much for rios, who would have known a change of position and change of scenery would do so much
now that i think of it i would not trade for jose bats, yes his power is crazy but he is only batting right around .230…we have that in carlos quentin, if his average was higher than yes, but i agree if it were jose batts and aaron hill than maybe i would be intereted…aaron hill in a hitters park like the cell would be scary, even scarier than he is now
now that i think of it i would not trade for jose bats, yes his power is crazy but he is only batting right around .230…we have that in carlos quentin, if his average was higher than yes, but i agree if it were jose batts and aaron hill than maybe i would be intereted…aaron hill in a hitters park like the cell would be scary, even scarier than he is now
hahaha seriously thank you so much for rios, who would have known a change of position and change of scenery would do so much
he always had a good OBP (already 50plus walks)
3rd in the majors in no doubt homers and first in all homers
hes the real deal, just dont expect him to hit 45 or whatever he is on pace to do but 35 this year seems easily attainable and 25plus seems like a benchmark going forward
250-360-480 line is still good plus he has team control next year… and your welcome for rios…
the main reason us sox fans we say to use danks as trade bait is simply becuase with rios lock in in Center and Carlos a fan favorite and face of the franchise locked in in right…juan pierre in Left for this year and next year and jordan mitchell in the minors and the love kenny has for crawford(hope we go after him) there really isnt that much of a place for danks, we could use jose at 3rd and hope he really is this type of hitter and this just inst a fluke
hmmm, flowers I doubt the jays would even want, their catching depth is insane, jordan danks is an interesting arm but I always hear sox fans using him as trade bait and I am not sure why… but jose is not worth a top tier prospect anyways although Im sure AA will act like hes a 40 HR a year hitter all of a sudden
honestly probably the only way beckham would be moved is if it was for prince or adrian, and we knew lilibridge could keep up his hot hitting, now if you were to say jose batts, and hill for flowers, beckham, jordan danks, and a few more minor leaguers then yeah probably
you aren’t marc rzepczynski! Get over “yourself”!
you aren’t marc rzepczynski! Get over “yourself”!
what do jays have to pay for beckham? downs jose batts and myself?
I wouldn’t mind Morel + another decent prospect although I think AA would want to sell high on him.
i doubt morell gets moved, unless vicedio can prove he can play 3rd more than he is right now…but if it got us jose and he is legit and not a one year wonder i could see jose playing 3rd for the sox and morell on the jays
I would guess that the whitesox would be after jose batts. They probably wont go after prince due to scott boras….adam dunns is a douche and refuses to DH even though his career would be extended greatly if he would accept that fact…The sox have some good prospects to get a deal with the Jays done, flowers, danks(jordan), torres, marquez, a some one else would be a pretty decent deal for jose batts…the sox could use him at 3rd(big improvement over teahan) and slot vicedio to DH full time
Forgive me if I’m a little skeptical about Bautista, but now would be a great time to cash in on trading him. Teams in need of outfield/3b help would give something good for him.
Forgive me if I’m a little skeptical about Bautista, but now would be a great time to cash in on trading him. Teams in need of outfield/3b help would give something good for him.
To have some fun if I were Alex I would Trade: Buck, Gregg, Álex González, and Scott Downs for prospects and then trade all the prospects to the Marlins for Hanley Ramírez.
That’s wishful thinking but that would be fantastic if Jays could ever get their hands on Hanley.
Hanley would put butts in the seats at Rogers center.
His appaling lack of hustle and star-mentality would make me NOT want to go the the Rogers Centre. They’ve already invested in Adeiny Hechavarria.
Hanley would put butts in the seats at Rogers center.
That’s wishful thinking but that would be fantastic if Jays could ever get their hands on Hanley.
and then trade EE for hanleys shoes
no one is ever going to get hanley untill he is in the last year or two of his deal, he is the face of that franchise. Yes he would get a huge haul, a farm emptying type of haul but there is no way they trade him, that team would become no better than a AAA team if they moved him…thats like saying the jays should trade everyone of their pitchers except for romero for strasburgh, just not going to happen
no one is ever going to get hanley untill he is in the last year or two of his deal, he is the face of that franchise. Yes he would get a huge haul, a farm emptying type of haul but there is no way they trade him, that team would become no better than a AAA team if they moved him…thats like saying the jays should trade everyone of their pitchers except for romero for strasburgh, just not going to happen
and then trade EE for hanleys shoes
Your idea of fun requires other people to not have free will.
Please tell me that you’re kidding. Sorry aap212, I meant to reply to Jon Gartner.
Your idea of fun requires other people to not have free will.
To have some fun if I were Alex I would Trade: Buck, Gregg, Álex González, and Scott Downs for prospects and then trade all the prospects to the Marlins for Hanley Ramírez.
Great work by AA to sign Gonzalez, Buck and Gregg. He’s going to get something for all of them, even if it’s just a sandwich (to go along with their cup of coffee.) I can’t wait until after the deadline so we can see the real Jays start playing….
Great work by AA to sign Gonzalez, Buck and Gregg. He’s going to get something for all of them, even if it’s just a sandwich (to go along with their cup of coffee.) I can’t wait until after the deadline so we can see the real Jays start playing….
I don’t think AA is going to empty the system (that he’s trying so hard to build up) to take a star that he can get for nothing but money as a free agent. (Beeston has said there’ll be money available for those types of free agents.) I seriously think they might take a run at Fielder when he’s a free agent. But they won’t trade for him because he won’t sign in advance of free agency. If they do, Wallace can always be flipped, and he’s NEVER going to be Fielder. And remember, Fielder was born in Toronto…
Holy crap! Fielder is actually Canadian. Wow, I honestly didn`t know that.
Marcum + Wallace for Fielder?
Stop embarassing Travis Snider’s name with these horrible posts!A) It’s Ontario, California not Canada.B) Why would trade a long controllable Wallace for a guy that’s going to command MASSIVE over-rated dollars soon? LOL.
The guy above me said he was born in Toronto. I guess I should have looked it up.
As for Wallace, I wouldn`t want to trade him but if you can get a guy like Fielder who is still young, cheap and know that you can re-sign him then why not?
Snider and Fielder would tear teams apart.
Fielder is no longer cheap that’s the point. Wallace has zero service time and will be controlled for at least 6 years. Fielder will command at least 150 mill after next year.
“Fielder will command at least 150 mill after next year. “Bingo. I’ll gladly take Wallace, thank you!
“Fielder will command at least 150 mill after next year. “Bingo. I’ll gladly take Wallace, thank you!
Stop embarassing Travis Snider’s name with these horrible posts!A) It’s Ontario, California not Canada.B) Why would trade a long controllable Wallace for a guy that’s going to command MASSIVE over-rated dollars soon? LOL.
Holy crap! Fielder is actually Canadian. Wow, I honestly didn`t know that.
Marcum + Wallace for Fielder?
I don’t think AA is going to empty the system (that he’s trying so hard to build up) to take a star that he can get for nothing but money as a free agent. (Beeston has said there’ll be money available for those types of free agents.) I seriously think they might take a run at Fielder when he’s a free agent. But they won’t trade for him because he won’t sign in advance of free agency. If they do, Wallace can always be flipped, and he’s NEVER going to be Fielder. And remember, Fielder was born in Toronto…
Well, being born here doesn’t REALLY make someone Canadian. (He probably doesn’t watch hockey…) He may, however, have a passport. Regardless, if they’re willing to pay a Boras price, they could definitely get him. Like I said, but they won’t trade for him.
Well, being born here doesn’t REALLY make someone Canadian. (He probably doesn’t watch hockey…) He may, however, have a passport. Regardless, if they’re willing to pay a Boras price, they could definitely get him. Like I said, but they won’t trade for him.
A-Gon shouldn’t go any where unless they get a ridiculous return. He has a very nice 2.5 mill option for next year. With nothing ready in the system the Jays should hold on to him. Here is a crazy idea, how about Bautista to Phillies for Aumont? Yeah I know Aumont has been brutal but he is still just a kid, home town kid from Canada, and was ranked very highly on prospect lists. He also still has a big arm and at worst will end up being a decent reliever.
Downs, Gregg and Frasor need to all be moved. Purcey seems like he is developing into a reliable lefty, Roenicke as big league stuff and Camp looks solid. The other three are getting expensive and the Jays would be dealing from a position of strength. The Angels bullpen needs help and any of those three would be a big upgrade. How about any of those three for Bourjos? How about Overbay+ Downs+ cash for Wood and Bourjos? If the Jays decide not to bring Encarnacion back Wood would be a great replacement at third or even better use Wood at 3b and Encarnacion can fill the shoes of Bautista playing 3b/of. Red Sox need relievers as well. How about Bowden for Frasor or Gregg? I don’t think Buck will fool anyone, but if a team will take him on and the Jays can get something useful then do it. These moves would begin to build the upper levels of the minors and provide the Jays with a bunch of interesting arms.
A-Gon shouldn’t go any where unless they get a ridiculous return. He has a very nice 2.5 mill option for next year. With nothing ready in the system the Jays should hold on to him. Here is a crazy idea, how about Bautista to Phillies for Aumont? Yeah I know Aumont has been brutal but he is still just a kid, home town kid from Canada, and was ranked very highly on prospect lists. He also still has a big arm and at worst will end up being a decent reliever.
Downs, Gregg and Frasor need to all be moved. Purcey seems like he is developing into a reliable lefty, Roenicke as big league stuff and Camp looks solid. The other three are getting expensive and the Jays would be dealing from a position of strength. The Angels bullpen needs help and any of those three would be a big upgrade. How about any of those three for Bourjos? How about Overbay+ Downs+ cash for Wood and Bourjos? If the Jays decide not to bring Encarnacion back Wood would be a great replacement at third or even better use Wood at 3b and Encarnacion can fill the shoes of Bautista playing 3b/of. Red Sox need relievers as well. How about Bowden for Frasor or Gregg? I don’t think Buck will fool anyone, but if a team will take him on and the Jays can get something useful then do it. These moves would begin to build the upper levels of the minors and provide the Jays with a bunch of interesting arms.
AA is smart to be diplomatic. Bautista’s been a great story for them, but the smart move would be to trade him.
AA is smart to be diplomatic. Bautista’s been a great story for them, but the smart move would be to trade him.
I wouldn’t mind us taking a run at Crawford in the off season. We could finally have that true leadoff dynamo that our whole system lacks, and its not like we have lots of upper tier OF prospects coming up anyways. Our top OF prospects are Thames (AA), Marisnick (RK), Sierra (undergoing season ending surgery soon), and Mastroianni (AA)… none of these guys shout impact players to me except maybe Marisnick, but hes a long ways off and would probably be ready by the time Crawford’s contract would be up. It would technically be taking a step backwards in our rebuilding process but I think it could make us a contender in 2011 without giving up prospects as long as Hill/Lind rebound to their ’09 form.
We had Carl Crawford. His name was Alex Rios. Basically the same guy.
I really don’t see any similarities unless your comparing Rios in his prime as a Jay? Plus Rios doesn’t have that top notch speed that we desperately crave in a leadoff guy.
a 2011 lineup of
Crawford LF
Hill 2b
Bautista 3B
Wells CF
Lind DH
Snider RF
Wallace 1b
Arencibia C
Gonzalez SS
(assuming Lind/Hill bounce back to ’09 forms)
and a rotation of
Marcum
Romero
Cecil
Morrow
Drabek
would have to at least make teams a little scared? I also wouldn’t mind selling high on Bautista and trading some of our young pitching for a 3B of the future.
I actually think that starting 9 is reasonable. Regardless if the Jays trade their pending FA’s for prospects or take the draft picks, they can afford to give up the 1st round draft pick for Crawford.. even more so if Deck McGuire doesn’t sign and they get compensated. It just depends on how bad he wants to win, and on money. Arencibia also seems to be bored in AAA.
If the Jays don’t trade Rzepczynski, I’d prefer him in the ‘pen as a possible closer. That curve of his rather deadly.
Crawford, career – .297/.338/.443
Rios, career – .283/.333/.451
There are plenty of similarities between them, and Rios is pretty damn fast himself. He also can play a more premium defensive position, and play it well. I always laugh at how overrated Crawford is while everyone in Toronto wanted to run Rios out of town (and succeeded).
Don’t remind me. I love when the fans turn on players in a hurry. His season last year was still better than some of Vernon’s worsts. And people forgot all the quality OPS seasons before that.
We had Carl Crawford. His name was Alex Rios. Basically the same guy.
I wouldn’t mind us taking a run at Crawford in the off season. We could finally have that true leadoff dynamo that our whole system lacks, and its not like we have lots of upper tier OF prospects coming up anyways. Our top OF prospects are Thames (AA), Marisnick (RK), Sierra (undergoing season ending surgery soon), and Mastroianni (AA)… none of these guys shout impact players to me except maybe Marisnick, but hes a long ways off and would probably be ready by the time Crawford’s contract would be up. It would technically be taking a step backwards in our rebuilding process but I think it could make us a contender in 2011 without giving up prospects as long as Hill/Lind rebound to their ’09 form.
I hope the Jays know that Bautista is a flash in the pan! TRADE HIM WHILE YOU CAN!
People said he was a flash in the pan when he hit a bunch of bombs in September. Then people said he was a flash in the pan when he was smokin’ them in Spring Training. Now people are saying he is a flash in the pan as he leads MLB in home runs at the All-Star break.
At some point we have to stop calling him a flash in the pan and give him his dues. I think he’s earned ’em by this point.
I hope the Jays know that Bautista is a flash in the pan! TRADE HIM WHILE YOU CAN!
I’m going to go on the record (because nobody else seems willing to here) and put my faith in Bautista. I think he is legit. He’s a ballplayer’s ballplayer. Of course he is not untouchable, but he is valuable. Valuable in the way that if you are willing to take a chance you might find plus 3B power for bargain deal. It will be interesting to see whether any other teams are willing to take that chance. I would only be disappointed if the Jays sold low on him.
This would be called selling high on him, unless you don’t know what the term means.
3b prospect or durango from the padres for Bautista?
What about Alex Gonzalez to the Cardinals for Brendan Ryan and a AA prospect?
I know the ST. Louis article claimed that the Jays were interested in Brendan Ryan.. but just yuck.
How about Marcum+Gonzalez for Shelby Miller?
not a chance. gonzalez is having a career year at like 34. marcum is a good/decent #3 starter on a good team. that is not worth shelby miller even though he is still 2-3 years away.
besides, do the jays even need MORE pitching prospects? overkill much?
the only team marcum is a #3 on is the cardinals and Giants
And every other team in his own division besides the Orioles.
Marcum >>> Burnett. Deal with it.
I don’t remember saying that he wasn’t.
Marcum has a lower ERA, WHIP, and a better K/BB than Hughes, and isn’t doing this for the first time. On top of this, he’s faced a significantly harder schedule than Hughes has to this point. In what world, other than the one obsessed with W-L, has Marcum not been better than Hughes this year?! To say that he’s a decent #3 on a good team is absurd and typical American fan talk about a guy who plays in Canada – this offseason it was as if all of a sudden Roy Halladay became the best pitcher in baseball once he got traded to PHI.
Again, I didn’t ever mention a name, nor did I say he’d be a “decent” #3, in fact I would love to have Marcum as my team’s 3rd best pitcher. And originally I was going to leave the Yankees out of it and just mention the Red Sox and Rays, but I looked up Marcum’s stats, and while you are correct that he isn’t doing this for the first time, it is only the second time that he’s pitched 100+ innings of sub 4 ERA ball, add to it that he didn’t pitch at all in the majors last season, and I came to the conclusion that he would be slotted 3rd.
And if you had ever read any of my other comments on pitcher, you’d find that I don’t use W-L and that I have thought for a long time that Halladay was the best pitcher in baseball. So thank you for pegging me as having nothing else to offer other than “typical American fan talk” on the entire 18 words that I’ve said in this comments section.
No thanks, Shelby Miller is still in A ball, way too much risk for a steady 2/3 in Shaun Marcum.
I don’t think that will happen. There’s no way the Cardinals will trade Shelby Miller unless they get a big name like Roy Oswalt or Danny Haren.
Oswalt probably has less trade value than Marcum given that the Astros GM doesn’t want to pick up the salary…
It says here he is continuing talks with Rival, teams. Have to think the Red Sox are in it with the state of their bullpen.
I like what this GM is doing, he is not saying the seasons over, but the odds are against him. Next 2 weeks are going to be interesting, especially if teams like the Sox, start nose diving because of BP problems. I said this a few weeks ago, Sox will not make play-offs with this BP, even when injured players come back.
Agreed. If they can find a guy, MLB or MiLB, who can put up a slash line of .300/.400/.425 and steal some bases [20-25], and is also versatile for 3B, I’m content with that. The Jays really need some speed and OBP guys.
This clearly went to the wrong post, but to the right person.
I wouldn’t trade him for the sake of trading him (ie because his perceived value is at a high); it really depends on what we’d get back.
If, for example, the Jays were able to package him with another player, such as Downs, for a stud positional prospect, then you pull the trigger.
However, if we’re only getting back a couple of B-prospects or something, then there’s no harm in keeping him. He’s still only 29, so he’ll be a reasonable 31 – 33 when the Jays are looking to contend. He’d make a very serviceable 3B for next season if there isn’t anybody better, his salary won’t be intolerable, and his versatility in the field is of tremendous value during an injury period.
Maybe I came off on the wrong foot what I am trying to say is his value is really high right now. God knows how consistent he can be with the numbers over the next years. If you can trade him for someone good I don’t know one reason why they wouldn’t pull the trigger. (This player could be a good prospect etc.)
Crawford, career – .297/.338/.443
Rios, career – .283/.333/.451
Hmm? Crawford has a BIT more speed than Rios this year… go look at the numbers.
Don’t start posts with hmm, you come across as an arrogant douche. The original poster said that Rios doesn’t have the top notch speed we desperately crave in a leadoff guy, to which I responded he’s pretty damn fast. I wasn’t comparing Rios’ speed to Crawford, but then again, hmmmmm, if you could read English, you’d know that.
As much as any Jays fan would want Bowman to succeed, the guy is having his first good season in a half-decade and he’s doing it now that he’s well over-age. Emaus doesn’t have the power and is truly a 2b, although I don’t mind seeing him get his chance because as you said, he could potentially be a decent OBP guy (although Hill had very similar stats in the minors and his OBP skills seem to have disappeared to a Vernon Wells level).
You mad? I didn’t even respond to you, no need to throw ad homimems around. Get over yourself.
I agree, and if I had to say what kind of starter Marcum is, I would put him as a good 3 or solid 2.
Edit: Before I get jumped on for undervaluing Marcum let me say that what I mean by “good 3” is that a team with a rotation where Marcum is the #3 is probably a good rotation, and that Marcum can be a very good #2 if he stays healthy.
I agree, and if I had to say what kind of starter Marcum is, I would put him as a good 3 or solid 2.
Edit: Before I get jumped on for undervaluing Marcum let me say that what I mean by “good 3” is that a team with a rotation where Marcum is the #3 is probably a good rotation, and that Marcum can be a very good #2 if he stays healthy.
The only thing that makes me say he’s borderline is his injury history. For me, a #2 on a team should be a lock for at least 175 IP, which Marcum has never done. But hey, he’s having a great year and establishing himself, so congrats to him.