7:00pm: Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic reports that the D'Backs are looking for pitching in exchange for Haren. Derrick Hall tells Piecoro that the team would need an "A-plus" offer to deal their ace.
"Ideally what we would ask for is major-league ready pitching, be it starters and/or bullpen, and prospects,” Hall said. “The volume doesn’t matter. It doesn’t need to be four or five or six guys. It’s really about the quality.”
6:20pm: Diamondbacks CEO Derrick Hall tells MLB.com's Steve Gilbert that a Haren trade, if it occurs, "will not be [a] salary dump." (Twitter link)
4:05pm: The Yankees, Phillies, Cardinals and Twins are also pursuing Haren, according to Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. The D’Backs are not close to a deal with anyone.
We should note that Bob Nightengale of USA Today reported last night that the Twins are 'barely monitoring' Haren, since they're on his no-trade list (Twitter link).
2:08pm: The Diamondbacks are exchanging names with teams interested in Dan Haren and the Detroit Tigers are among the clubs with 'serious' interest in the right-hander, according to ESPN.com's Buster Olney (all Twitter links). The Tigers' interest is not surprising, since they need rotation help, have three high-priced pitchers coming off the books next season and scouted Haren (along with the Phillies) last night.
Haren can block deals to a dozen teams, but would consider allowing a trade, depending on the situation. The Cardinals and Phillies are among the teams interested in Haren. He won't come cheap, but as one MLB official explained to ESPN.com's Jayson Stark, Haren's price may be dropping.
"[The D'Backs are] starting to get more reasonable," the official said. "Before, they were asking for two starting pitchers off your major league roster. Now they're talking prospects, so I think they've gotten realistic. I definitely think he's moving now."
Haren makes $12.75MM in 2011 and 2012, and there's a $3.5MM buyout for a $15.5MM option in 2013.
scherzer and schlerth for haren.
oh wait….
what is with everybody wanting to trade schlerth to Arizona? They traded him to the Tigers like 6 months ago with scherzer, duh. plus his dad is the big ugly football guy who works as an tv analyst for ESPN
Verlander, Haren, Scherzer… I like that a lot.
Yessssss. Christmas in July, indeed. Please make this happen, DD.
I want to “like” this post so much.
Sure would be nice, wouldn’t it? I’d be real happy with the rotation for both this year and 2011
Get Haren.
Porcello stays. oliver , turner , galaraga & worth for Haren and Drew. Tigers also will get Lilly to plug galaraga’s hole.
It’d take way more to get both Haren and Drew. I’m fine with just getting Haren. Start with Oliver and build from there. Really don’t want to give up Turner. I don’t think the Dbacks would want Armando either. If we get Haren we won’t need Lilly. Roation would be: JV, Haren, Scherzer, Porcello, Bondo
They don’t have “way” more that is basically the system. Maybe Strieby gets tossed in but that is all they could offer with any value.
That’s what I’m saying. Unless they’re willing to part with both Porcello and Turner (which is highly unlikely), I don’t think we even have what it takes to get both Haren and Drew. One or the other would be nice, but at this point I’d rather have Haren.
Phillies need to push hard for him. Such a better choice then Oswalt. & games out now RA needs to make some big moves and stir things up. Domonic Brown has played LF the past 2 nights.
No offense to Tigers fans, but I fail to see why they would want to give up a TON from a fairly weak farm system to more than likely not even get past the 1st round of the playoffs vs WC teams TB/Boston EVEN if they manage to beat out a better twins team for the Central division anyway.
Not dicing on the Tigers at all, just fail to see why they would further deplete their farm system for this guy when everything points it would be pretty futile.
He wouldn’t be here just for the remainder of this year. Just getting him puts together a solid top of the rotation for next year. As long as they don’t have to give up Porcello I’d like to see it happen
This comment doesn’t make much sense, as Haren would be around for more than just a half season. A move for Haren is thinking about 2011, 2012 and possibly even 2013 as much as it is thinking about 2010.
Exactly. I don’t think the Tigers should be too hesitant to deal Turner and maybe even Crosby. Getting Haren and keeping Porcello would give them 4 great pieces for the rotation that would all be under control through at least 2012. By that time the pitching depth in the system will hopefully grow back. Every move the Tigers make this summer should have as much of an eye on 2011 as it does on the rest of this year.
Crosby probably doesn’t have any trade value as he’s been shut down for the season. Furbush, on the other hand, might have value. Also, he was just moved up from Erie to Toledo within the last 24 hours or so . . .
Can’t trade Furbush… just because of how awesome his name is.
Not to mention the fact that even though the Tigers seem like no threat to win the pennant right now, if you all of a sudden have a playoff rotation of JV, Haren, and Scherzer, with Bondo to start if necessary, they are capable of winning a 7 game series against anyone.Also Detroit has a ton of money coming of the books after this year and could afford to give up Turner or Porcello and sign a guy like Brandon Webb in the offseason. Sure he’s coming off shoulder surgery, but he’s been handled very conservatively by the DBacks, and a rotation of Verlander, Haren, Scherzer, Porcello/Turner and Webb would be pretty disgusting,
Webb did not have Tommy John surgery. He had shoulder bursitis that he had surgery on and he has not been able to make it back to the majors since due to discomfort in his shoulder.
My mistake. Either way he’s on schedule to make around 6 starts at the end of the year, and if he’s able to get back to even close to what he was pre-injury he’d be a nice pick-up to counter losing Porcello or Turner. Especially without the pressure of having to come back and pitch like an Ace right away.
Haha… Haren, Scherzer, Webb, and Schlereth? Hell let’s go ahead and get Drew and while we’re at it, Mark Reynolds too. We can just take all the good players the Dbacks have and put them on the Tigers
it doesn’t have to be Webb, it can be any FA pitcher, he was just the most talented example I could see.
My point was giving up Porcello and/or Turner isn’t as big of a deal when you have the money to spend, an the owner willing to spend it, to make up for it in the off-season. If you are Florida, KC, Pitt, etc. you probably never trade Porcello or Turner to get Haren. But if you’re Det, NYY, Bos, CHW, Philly, etc. I don’t see why not. Turner is just a prospect at this point and could be great or could bust. Porcello had a great rookie year, but is still basically a prospect, and has struggled pretty bad this year.
Verlander, Haren, Scherzer is as good a top 3 as any, and Haren is the oldest of the 3 at 29 years old. With an owner who has proven he is willing and able to spend money, the Tigers should have no problem filling out that rotation with any number of guys like: Webb, Lee, Westbrook, Ducscherer, Bedard, Lilly, Bonderman, Pavano, Correia, etc. with the amount of money they will have available to spend. And would still conceivably have two of Porcello, Turner, Crosby and Oliver to continue to develop.
This is just a deal DD flat-out has to get done.
Understand that, but it is the overall cost to acquire him (won’t be cheap) vs. what it will lead to for this year and maybe next.
Are the Tigers thinking short term now? I would hate for them to go into a Cubs/hendry mode of 3-4 years ago and one the Tigers are kind of getting out of with contracts expiring, by possibly moving top prospects that they are a bit short on for Haren.
the Tigers are in a different situation than the cubs. their owner, mike illytch is old, he wants a ring NOW! The Tigers also have two players in the prime of their career and among the best in baseball in Cabrera and Verlander. They have to be thinking short term with those players signed for the next 5 years, and at their best for probably the next 3. (cabrera will be at his best for probably the next 7 years, but Verlander is in his prime now.)
the Cubs signed a bunch of Old guys late into their 30s, the Tigers longest signing is Magglio to 36 years of age and that ends after this year possibly. Cubs signed Aramis, Lee, and Soriano when they had past their prime, for multiple years into their late 30s. that’s why the Cubs suck
//their owner, mike illytch is old, he wants a ring NOW!//
This is very true. Ilitch wants a World Series championship badly. He’s also shown he’ll step in if he feels he should, as he did with the Cabrera trade in ’07.
//Are the Tigers thinking short term now?//
According to the DetNews, Dombrowski says: Yes.
Haren would be perfect for the Phils. Make it happen Ruben. Start making up for your terrible 2010.
A homer-prone pitcher in a hitter’s park is “perfect”?
Maybe “perfect” is a bit of an exaggeration, but he would fit well into the rotation and the payroll over the next couple years. He would stabilize the rotation, and hey, doesn’t Cole Hamels do pretty well at home (4-3, 3.21 ERA). If the true nature of this team wakes up he can afford to give up a few dingers. He eats innings and has a high K/9.
Last 3 years CBP HR factors: 10th, 16th, 11th. The whole ‘bandbox’ thing is highly overblown. And yes, Haren would be perfect, a rotation of Halladay, Hamels, Haren would make for some great ‘HaHas’.
hey dont forget about HAPP!!
I heard on the radio here that the Snakes like Happ a lot..
If there demands are down to prospects, the Mets should tentatively go after him at least. Just don’t give up too much, because we won’t be really contending for a couple years and I want to see our young players blossom.
Turner/Oliver, Strieby, what else? Crosby?
Crosby is done for the year. My guess for what Detroit would have to give up is at least Turner, Oliver, Sborz/Weindhart and possibly 1 more
In re. the “1 more”: Furbush or Villarreal?
most likely one of them
Samardija, Wells, caridad for Haren. I would love to see my cubbies start to strengthen their rotation because lets face it Z is washed up, Demps is old getting older, Lilly is leaving and silva’s true colors are starting to shine through. That leaves us with Gorz, wells and maybe cashner in the next couple of years. Ouch!
It wouldn’t happen – we’re trying to shed the big contracts and rebuild, remember? Also, how would we still have Wells if we were going to trade him for Haren?
If the Tigers have to give up both Oliver and Turner, they shouldn’t do it. That’s giving up their two best pitching prospects. Oliver may have been raw when he came up this year, but if he learns how to pitch, 97 from the left-side will be dominant.
Dan Haren is an Ace , he is well worth it. Verlander , Haren and Scherzer could easily sweep a first round series.
I don’t know about easily. The Tigers would still have to bat in a playoff series.
they have the third highest average in the AL. They need to be worried about pitching
Especially with the likes of Bonderman and Galarraga bringing up the rear.
Teams who make the playoffs are usually pretty good, i’m not sure about easily sweep. I mean Lester-Beckett- Buchholz?? Sabathia- Pettite-Hughes?? .. .. I’m not saying the tigers cant do damage in the playoffs, but acquiring Haren would only improved their chance for success, not garantee it.. Perfect example cardinals last year.
I said “could” no idea where you are getting Gaurantee from ?
While I completely agree with your assessment of Oliver and Turner, you have to remember that the Tigers are in Win-NOW mode for the next couple of years with Illytch getting up there in age, and Cabrera and Verlander in their prime. If we could get Haren and Drew for those two pitchers and 1-2 OF prospects that we no longer need because of the emergence of A-Jax and Boesch, the Tigers would be in really good shape not just for this year, but the next couple of years. Stephen Drew is a quality SS, if not top 5, top 10 in the game. and Haren has dominated in a hitter’s paradice on a god-awful team for years.
Anybody know which 12 teams are on his list?
With our luck, the Tigers are probably at the top of the list.
Just because a team is on his list doesn’t mean a deal can’t be worked out it just means Haren has to agree to the deal. Even if the Tigers are on the list I think they have a strong case to give Haren, with Verlander at the top of the rotation and Cabrera in the lineup the Tigers are a long time contender, that should appeal to Haren.
If reuben doesn’t have a yes from Oswalt and Houston by the end of the day, HAren will be in a phillies uniform by tomorrow night. Bank it. he’ll give away the farm for him (other than Brown) but he’ll get one of them by tomorrow.
And then us Met fans will laugh as your then pathetic farm leads to an epic crash and burn a few years down the road, as we hang on to our good young pieces and hold together a great young core for years to come.
You’d know a thing or two about crash and burn, wouldn’t ya’.
And who are those good young pieces again?
lol he walked in to that one didn’t he??
I understand your frustration, but one trade isn’t going to ruin the farm system Baseball America just noted for having the most talent at the A level of any team in baseball.
Well, Casey Crosby doesn’t get off the disabled list until August 14th so he can’t be part of any package deal for Dan Haren now.
If Haren is inspired to pitch better if traded to a contender like the Tigers then they would be poised to really battle in the playoffs. A decent offense, two dominant pitchers and a strong closer. I would include Porcello in a deal for Haren in a heartbeat.
I hope Detroit keeps Ryan Strieby in any deal they make. He has better projected power than Brennan Boesch, and well, what he has done this year isn’t a secret anymore.
Lynn Henning, that you? 🙂
Haha, no. I hate Lynne Henning. I think Strieby, Jackson, and Boesch are our outfielders for a good long while
Hahaha
The Dbacks better get A lot in return, They gave up soo much to get him. Cargo, Brett Anderson, Chris Carter, I still include Quenton in this mix too…
That’s what happens when you are dealing with Billy Beane
How about Bonderman/Galaraga and Fu Te Ni for Haren?
Can I “unlike” this? Why not just offer up Laird, Gene Lamont, and 2 sacks of baseballs?
Say what? I’m going to hope you were being very, very sarcastic there.
Hahahaha good one.
Dan,
You’d be a great “phit” in Philly red. Come to the city of brotherly love. We have a bunch of Cali kids on our squad and they love playing for Philadelphia (Howard, Hamels, ect.) You’ll feel right at home…
Since when is St. Louis in California? Ryan Howard has been in MO forever bud.
Correct. I had the big guy on my brain.
so how was geography class my friend.
instead of howard you should have put utley
As a White Sox fan, I’m all for them getting Haren and bring him to The Cell! Plus, you will mortage your future, so that we won’t be the only ones in the Central with a thin farm system.
Your GM wants to give up the farm to get Adam Dunn. The Tigers handled Dunn well except for 1 at bat when they came to town. Go ahead and make that deal, give up Quinten and Beckham for a DH.
Except Dunn refuses to DH… LOL!
I still don’t think Haren gets traded. Maybe in the off-season, maybe not, but they aren’t going to do this trade with an interim GM.
//#mlb #Twins The Twins are barely monitoring Dan Haren since they are on his no-trade list.//
BNightengale
Ha ha!
/spiteful Tigers fan
First-the next person that makes a comment about him moving to a homer/hitter friendly park gets laughed at. Seriously, have people been napping since 2008?
Second-I guarantee you GMs will look at his second half splits (which, over the past few years, by STANDARD numbers, are not good), and be hesitant to give up big-time talent (also included is the contract, though 12.75 mil over the next two years and a 15.5 club option with a 3.5 mil buyout isn’t really too terrible), HOWEVER, his peripherals show that he has been pitching just fine and has been very unlucky during the second half of the year.
Why? Couldn’t tell you, really.
Trade Werth to Tampa Bay fo Upton, Trade upton and a prospect To Arizona for Harden
Pretty sure you don’t want Harden. He’s on the DL for a gluteal strain.
Werth to the Rays for Wade DavisHaren to the Phils for Davis, Gose, Colvin, Matheison
I would forgive RAJ for the Lee/Howard deals if he were to pull this off
I was thinking something along those lines, but I think the D’backs would be even more inclined to deal for a package with greater potential. For example, getting two good prospects for Weth and flipping them with 2-3 of our own for Haren. I don’t think you can refuse a 5 for 1 deal. It’s also addition by subtraction with dealing Werth and bringing up Brown.
werth isn’t going to get you wade davis. even with the phils paying his salary, which they already said they won’t do.
If a deal like this is on the table and Ruben Amaro (Phils owners) refuses to pay 2.8 million that would be a terrible terrible failure. The Rays need to make a strong push to win this year with Crawford leaving at years end…I could see them being inclined to make a deal like this for Werth and even pushing up the payroll temporarily. Especially if the Phils other main options are the Spankees and the Red Sox.
Even so, if it is prospects that Arizona picks from the Rays farm system, then so be it. The Rays have a fantastic system, so I’m sure Arizona could find some pieces that they like, and that the Rays would be willing to give up for Werth. Add in some of the high end A-ball specs from the Phils system (has the best A-level talent in the league), and I could see a deal being worked out.
Does anyone know who else is on Haren’s no-trade list, besides the Twins?
What is a no-trade list exactly? I understand the basics, like he put so many teams that he didn’t want to be traded to, but can he take teams off or add new ones year to year ? Did he make that list when he first signed his contract?
That’s pretty much how it works.
Yeah. This year he has 12 teams on his no-trade list. Next year, for instance, he only has 8.
Phillies trade to TB for Upton then trade Upton and 2 others to Arizonia for Harden And Young. Bj and Justin end up together and both will play better
In what universe does BJ Upton and 2 others get you Dan Haren and Chris Young?
I like how BJ and Justin playing together makes them play better
Oh and the Phils do not want Rich Harden
hudson-torres-jenks(and money to cove him) and an out field prospect either jordan danks(defensivly major league ready but needs some help with the bat) or mitchell(hurt but still a top out field prospect) for haren and no money from the dbacks..thats 2 top tpiching guys in the sox system, hudson profiles as a #2-3 and Torres as a #4 jenks could use the NL’s help, and he would help a lot of the bullpen problems they have(only 2 blown saves this year) and gives them an out field prospect
hudson becomes expendable due to haren being under contract then the sox would have for next season,..peavy-haren-danks-floyd and buehrle
Jenks is a hack and losing his control , Hudson profiles more like 3-4 , Jordan danks is a 4th outfielder and Torres is a AAAA pitcher. Never in a million years.
Phillies trade Werth to TB for BJ Upton. Then they turn around and trade Upton and 2 others to Arizonia for Harden and Chris Young
Did you mean to triple post this?
Not sure Upton and two others is enough to get both Haren and Young.
not possible
This is exactly like the roy halladay saga from a year ago. all the ‘insiders’ speculate, guarantee his move, people criticize and formulate possible deals. but in the end he doesn’t get moved.
If yanks could get him without Jesus lmao I would give up everyone else but I don’t think that could happen
yanks go get harden
Rich Harden will be a fine addition to the Yankees’ rotation.
Dear Mr. Hall,
Duh. We all know it won’t be a salary dump.
its just a perk that its a salary dump
I would love to get Dan Haren but I don’t see it happening. I think they would want Montero.
they wouldn’t want Montero. they already have a really good Montero at Catcher
They want pitching? Maybe the Yankees can work something around Zach Mcallister
If the Yanks get Haren, they’re going to have to center a package around either Mcallister, Ivan Nova, or David Phelps. All three have good numbers at AAA this year.
in your dreams.
if thats the best the yankees will offer, they will be outbid in a heartbeat.
well, name pitchers from the phillies and the cards that are close to major league ready that they will be willing to part with.
The Tigers have close-to-ML-ready pitching too.
That’s what we’re looking for. Snakes know they’re not even close to contending right now. Jarrod Parker will be ready next season and they want a top lefty prospect which sounds like Oliver fits. Possibly Turner for 2012-13? Their top prospect is a SS so i can see Drew on his way out.
Turner, Oliver, Furbush, and Villarreal are the four starting pitching prospects who immediately come to mind. Oliver is obviously the closest to ML ready of those four, then Furbush (who had a nice debut for Toledo after being promoted from AA Erie), Villarreal (who was bumped up to Erie), and Turner. The Tigers also have some relievers who are in the majors or close to ML ready in Jay Sborz, Robbie Weinhardt, Casey Fien, and Daniel Schlereth for example (though I wonder if Arizona would take him back after trading him in the offseason). There’s also Alfredo Figaro, who has ML experience as a starter and reliever, Jeremy Bonderman, and Armando Galarraga. Can’t imagine Arizona wanting Galarraga, but he is a major league pitcher and has had some success. Plus, he’s a classy guy!
I think if the Tigers swung a deal for Haren and Drew I’d die of happiness. And then I’d weep over losing Porcello. 😉
well, name pitchers from the phillies and the cards that are close to major league ready that they will be willing to part with.
If the Yanks get Haren, they’re going to have to center a package around either Mcallister, Ivan Nova, or David Phelps. All three have good numbers at AAA this year.
Comerica Park would be perfect for Dan Haren. Definitely a pitcher’s park. His ERA would go down pitching at Comerica, and his W/L record would improve a ton because he’d be going to a team that can put up runs for him.
Comerica Park is a “neutral park”. But I think Dan Haren might benefit from Comerica’s center field and having Austin Jackson patrolling it.
Idk, Chris B Young and Justin Upton are pretty good fielders as well. But don’t get me wrong, Haren and Drew are the perfect fit to make the Tigers capable of beating anybody
Ruben, let’s make this happen. Haren would give us the spark we need to kick us in the ass heading into crunch time. We may be a little too far back to catch Atlanta but you can’t rule out a playoff birth. I think the phils honestly are going to need to go out and get a Haren AND Sheets if we want to have a legitimate shot IF we make the playoffs. Sure, our 1, 2, 3, of HHH (Halladay, Hamels, Haren) would be sick…BUT following that up with Joe Blow Blanton and Happ(maybe) isn’t going to get it done. We’ve made deals at the deadline the past few years and EVERY one has given us the boost we needed. Ruben, be smart. We’re not completely out of it.
It might actually be smarter for the phillies to think about next year. 7 games back of the division is tall order considering the NL and 3 games back of the wild card is tough when you have san fran, cinci, LAD, Colorado(and they might be getting tulo back soon) and the mets( anyone else surprised?)….I would say its time to trade away what they can rebuild their farm and go from there….biggest mistake they made this year was extending howard, he would have netted thema huge haul and allowed them to move utley to 1st thus extending his career and him time in philly, and he is the best all around player on that team…
Also what pitchers would the Phillies offer up for Haren?
which is exactly why they should blow it up and rebuild..they have a good team with a few prospects here and there that can impact the big league club, so trade away some guys, werth-ibeniez, anyone else?, get some prospects and go for it next year…they still havea WS caliber core or jimmy, chase, ryan, shane, roy, cole, brad, and i guess placido, trade some guys away to bring in more pitching and clear some money and go for pitching in the off season…IE un-do the dumb ass deal of trading Lee away….
oh my bad I meant to reply to bulldurham above you, but yeah they should really rebuild their farm system, and they are complete idiots for trading Lee. They could of had Halladay, Lee, and Hammels which is a pretty nasty 1,2,3.
Happ.
So Happ is one, they would probably have to include kyle kendrick or it had to be a package centered around kendrik. There is no way the D’Backs will accept a package centered around J.A. Happ, who is currently coming back from injury and who had a pretty lucky season last year. Look at his strand rate and babip.
“Haren would give us the spark we need to kick us in the ass heading into crunch time.”
That’s why they signed Timo Perez, duh.
Haren is the best hitting pitcher in the Majors. Snakes should trade him to the NL, they’d prob get more value…
the reds have a lot of young close to major league pitching a few other prospects that could be appealing. offer up maloney, bailey, lecure that i have no problem getting rid of. i would like to see them keep wood but if it means haren i might be okay with that. haren cueto volquez leake and makes a heck of a four for years to come and add chapman or wood possibly or whichever one of those guys they can keep or arroyo and thats a very strong rotation
chapman would probably be part of the deal considering its an NL to NL trade
i have serious doubts that chapman would be part of the deal
I know its just me assuming but due to it being an NL to NL deal I would guess they would ask for him. Consider this, if the reds get Haren, He would over the next few years play against them a lot and hurt them a lot. So you would think as a GM trading away your ace, you would want a good haul in a deal that would have the player playing against you a lot, at least I would if I was the GM. Now if he were to be Traded to the AL, he would maybe play against the D’Backs once or twice over the next few years in inter-league play, and yes possibly hurt them in the world series but unlikely. SO if you are trading your ace with in your own league why not ask for a top pitching prospect from the other team. I’m not saying that they would get it, but why not ask. Let’s not forget Haren has dominated in the AL and NL, has a team friendly contract and still pretty young.
If it were me trading Haren to the Reds I would say first things first I’m not paying anything, you are taking 100% of whats left of his contract. Second I would ask for either Champon or that 1st base prospect who is being blocked(and rightfully so) by votto. And a few more guys, If they dont want to do it, then so be it. I can find someone else to take him, or I can keep him and build around him, jackson, upton, reynold, etc
I would take Wood and Cincy’s best 1st or 3rd base prospect plus bullpen help… I’d love Chapman pitching in the desert but i know he’s untouchable.
the reds have a lot of young close to major league pitching a few other prospects that could be appealing. offer up maloney, bailey, lecure that i have no problem getting rid of. i would like to see them keep wood but if it means haren i might be okay with that. haren cueto volquez leake and makes a heck of a four for years to come and add chapman or wood possibly or whichever one of those guys they can keep or arroyo and thats a very strong rotation
“Many Teams Pursuing Dan Haren”
Really? Gosh, I had no idea…
I wouldn’t complain if it didn’t involve Montero and Romine, but I don’t see him coming to NY for three reasons: 1. I thought Lee was a “special case” 2. The Yankees don’t need him and 3. wouldn’t give the prospects for him.