SATURDAY, 2:53am: The Twins are in the mix to land Myers, writes Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. He says the Astros became more open to trading Myers in recent hours.
FRIDAY, 1:37pm: The White Sox are including Jackson in their offer for Adam Dunn, tweets Nightengale. If they pull that off, they'll try for Myers.
10:56am: We know the White Sox are seeking a mid-rotation starter and might pull off a deal for Edwin Jackson. But GM Kenny Williams is also quietly exploring acquiring Brett Myers from the Astros, tweets USA Today's Bob Nightengale. Myers is thought to be mostly unavailable, as the Astros hope to re-sign him and perhaps would prefer not to decimate their rotation for the rest of this year. The Chicago Sun-Times' Joe Cowley cautions not to get too excited about the White Sox-Myers talk (Twitter link).
Williams might be burning up the phone lines with Ed Wade for multiple players, as AOL FanHouse's Ed Price tweets that there's buzz about the Sox going after Lance Berkman. It certainly seems that the White Sox will make some noise in the 28 hours leading up to the trade deadline.
KW at it again
this better not be the world shaker.
As an Astros fan…decimate our rotation for the rest of the year? What does that matter. 😛
Here’s hoping Drayton really has seen the light (rather than merely trading a possibly perceived “ungrateful” player) and is willing to trade the (lol) untouchable Myers.
I agree. They should trade Myers and could probably get something decent for him.
I can’t imagine though that a Myers trade is the “something big” that Kenny Williams has cooking. Now, a trade for Myers and Berkman? That would be something big.
I don’t think Myers and Berkman would reach the “shock the world” stage for Kenny. KW must think he has some shot at an elite, big name player.
Berkman *is* an elite, big name player.
No, Berkman *was* an elite, big name player. He’s still a good player, but he’s far from elite at this point in his career.
It probably depends on whether you’re talking performance or perception around the league. Obviously he’s past his peak, but he’s still got that reputation.
Berkman *was* an elite, big name player.
Not so much anymore…
I like that. If the sox can pull that off I will dance naked in the streets.
The vultures will be descending on Houston after that lopsided Roy Oswalt trade. I would love to see the Braves jump in there and get Chris Young.
chris young…..is a diamondback or a padre
wooooops…..got my western teams mixed up (meant Arizona)
I wonder if he’s asked the Dbacks about Mark Reynolds or Kelly Johnson
I would think Mark Reynolds would be expensive.
two birds, one stone. from the astros standpoint, this needs to happen. who could we get for myers/berkman?
Hmm, So this is something big? LAME
you really think KW is showing all his cards already? Lame.
It could be for Myers and Berkman. I would have to think that would qualify as big. And the price on that pair is probably the same or less than it is for Dunn.
agreed. this would be nice:Pierre LFRios CFBerkman DHKonerko 1BQuentin RFPierzynski CRamirez SSBeckham 2BTeahen/Vizquel 3BDanksFloyd BuehrleMyers Garcia
No lineup with Teahen in it is ‘nice.’
because the Sox are the ONLY team with a hole? be serious.
No, but there is no reason to have Teahen in the lineup with Vizquel at 3rd and Viciedo backing him up. With Teahen: lineup has a hole. Without Teahen: no hole.
Sorry this is off-topic for the Brett Myers trade discussion.
And the Twins would still beat you in game 163.
That won’t happen, their won’t be a game 163.
There is no way this is the world shocker previously talked about.
Although I am a huge Berkman fan and would love to see the Sox get him.
If I were sending both Berkman & Myers to Chicago, I’d at the very least want Tyler Flowers in return. His bat his regressed a bit this season, but the power and walks are still there, and his catching ability has improved.
Catcher is the only position where the Astros have no need.
Really? I think a team can always use talent, no matter what position. Plus, it’s not like the Wallace/STL situation, where Wallace would’ve had to uproot Pujols to get a job. I guess I’m just not that high on Castro.
Well Wade/Drayton are high on Castro, so…
But besides that, the Astros have huge needs at so many other positions that it doesn’t make sense to trade for a position where they have (even if Castro isn’t that great) a relative strength.
Well just because he is a catcher doesnt mean it would be a deal breaker, players can change positions. Craig Biggio was a really good offensive player and a catcher in his first few years, so rather than keep him at catcher ( a physically demanding position) the Astros switched him to 2nd and all he did was get 3,000 hits 400+ steals, nearly 300 HRs, 1100 RBIs and is the all time leader in doubles by a right handed batter.
Former Stanford Star and 1st round draft pick Jason Castro will be the Astros catcher for many years to come.
That’s a joke, right? Even putting aside the philosophy I subscribe to that you can never have too many catchers, the Astros have GREAT need at catcher, especially if they can get one who can hit. Humberto Quintero is a lousy hitter and, although he has a great arm, he’s not that good a receiver. He also turns 31 next week…hardly a youngster for a rigorous position like catcher.
Jason Castro looks like he’ll work out, but again…lousy with the bat. And they have absolutely nothing behind them. Towles isn’t panning out offensively or defensively. They could use a young catcher who can hit. They should follow the Rangers’ model. They stocked up on catchers and now they’re not hurting for skill at that position and won’t for quite some time. The Astros, meanwhile, have struggled for skill since Ausmus left, and we all know what kind of hitter he was. Yes, the Astros need a catcher.
Because Castro’s 78 major league ABs mean more than his 795 minor league ABs? He’s hit for decent to good average at every level and more importantly he walks.
But even if you’re down on Castro, the fact is, the Astros have greater needs elsewhere: SS, 2B, 3B, and pitching. Why try to get a prospect to replace the one genuine prospect you have, before he even has a full season under his belt? That’s just silly.
I’m not saying they should turn away any deal that involves a catcher, but they certainly shouldn’t pursue them.
I just ant to get value, like we got for roy…oh yea.
well, wallace is a well regarded 1B prospect. and Happ isn’t horrible. He’d step into the 4th spot of the rotation nicely. of course, if Wade moves Myers & Berkman, maybe the Astros will be a young, Marlins-esque surprise in 2011 or 2012. with Wade at the helm, though, chances are that Wallace will get DFA’d for Jose Mesa and Jack Taschner.
and yes, I realize that getting Happ for Oswalt isn’t really making things alright. especially when the Astros could have just held onto Oswalt until he refused to take the mound. Why owners buckle to players who (reportedly) ask for trades is beyond me. Oh the days of owners who told players what to do! ha!
Joe Cowley is now tweeting that Lucas Harrell will be tonight’s starting pitcher.
That would lead you to believe that Hudson is gone.
Well, that’s not shocking. Pretty much any deal they do has to include him, as the Sox are pretty light on prospects these days, probably having the worst farm system in the sport.
The only guys with real value are Hudson, Mitchell (who’s hurt, and teams won’t deal for right now), Viciedo (some value), and Beckham (great value). Anyone else doesn’t offer much.
as a phils fan this would be the epitome of selling high. Myers will never and has never touched this value level before. Well, except maybe when he battled CC for about 20 pitches in the 2008 playoffs. Or his 3 hit performance against the Dodgers.
Myers and Berkman are better than but not as shocking as Zambrano and Fukudome. The Cubs would either pick up a great deal of salary or not want any prospects in return.
I just don’t see how adding Zambrano and/or Fukudome would actually make the White Sox any better.
Fukudome is an upgrade over Kotsay (lefthanded but no 1B though) and plays a good outfield. Lets Ozzie rotate his DH still (Pierre and Q). Zambrano is a head-case that has talent. Let him pitch in AAA still until he gets where he needs to be. At that point, 5th(4th) starter spot for him is good. Just a Shock that somewhat fits needs.
It could be argued that this trade would actually make the White Sox worse.
Kenny Williams-I love the brashness of going after EVERYONE! You know what, he’s been more often right than wrong, so I’m really waiting to see what kind of deal he comes up with.
im just curious even if it doesn’t come to be, what something big is
I don’t get all of this overvaluing of Edwin Jackson. The Nats were asking for this huge package with top-notch prospects for Dunn and then get excited because they can get Jackson instead? I don’t doubt that the guy will be a good pitcher someday, but when you’ve got more promising players lined up I think you’ve got to go with them. And then the White Sox almost sent Hudson for Jackson, when it could be argued that Hudson is already BETTER than Edwin. I just don’t get it.. is it because he threw a no-hitter? The guy can’t even keep his ERA under 5.00
His WAR last season was around 4, and he was 7th in the AL in ERA as well as innings pitched. From 2007-09, his WHIP consistently went down and he got over 100 Ks all three seasons. He’s having a bad year, that’s clear, but I don’t think it’s overvaluing at all. He’s not going to win any Cy Young Awards, but Dunn isn’t exactly a MVP either. They both have strengths and flaws.
“..Joe Cowley cautions not to get too excited about the White Sox-Myers talk..”
Why would anyone in their right mind be excited about Brett Myers?
I’d be more excited about Myers than Edwin Jackson.
Myers is having a solid season…Id like the Mets to go after him but thats not happening because the Mets philosophy only includes overpriced and under performing pitchers…and they are most likely out of it now that the Phils got Oswalt
So I am guessing this is no longer being explored since they have added Jackson??
dodgers get in on myers! please!
The Dodgers are poor and aren’t going anywhere k
PLEASE TAKE BERMAN! PLEASE!
I mean, I like Berkman. But we are desperate for prospects. :/
i have a feeling that he’s gonna end up with the yankees. for who, i dont know… but i would really like it if they addressed their bullpen first, cause it’s scary.
I’m right with you on that one. I do believe he becomes a Yankee, Edwin Jackson becomes a National, Adam Dunn becomes a White Sock, and possibly Brett Myers a White Sock as well. We shall see. I would hate to see Myers go, but if it’s for a good price, then we might have to.
The White Sox don’t have the pieces for either Berkman OR Myers without Dan Hudson or Edwin Jackson.
Forget about it.
The White Sox never have the pieces to get anybody, yet they always are able to make the deals that they need to. It’s crazy how that works out.
adam dunn for carlos torres and edwin jackson
brett myers for tyler flowers and a prospect.
Right, the C of the future for a bag of balls. Uh-huh.
The Sox are dealing here ! Kenny please trade Ozzie for Mike Scioscia next !
shut up, ozzie is regarded as being one of the best managers in the AL
Its not like Kenny is going to trade him if I suggested on MLBTR 😛
There was a lot of talk that the Nats wanted Hudson for the Dunn deal. Since he moved to the Dbacks, doesn’t that make a Dunn deal less likely?
Jackson might be it for the deadline…
Or Kenny could be burning up the phone lines for something bigger, who knows?
Alright all you White Sox fans! If you guys come after Myers, who will you give us? I’m just wondering what you guys think.
We could really use some bullpen work, and a starter.
Twins could really use Myers
I couldn’t agree more. They already have 2 of the top pitchers in the AL w/ Pavano and Liriano. Adding Myers at number 3 would be a great acquisition. I say Baker, Slowey or Blackburn could go; and Billy, throw in a bag of balls for icing!
Slowey’s last 2 starts have been solid, he may be coming around.