Manny Ramirez would like to play for the Blue Jays under new manager John Farrell, the slugger told ESPN's Enrique Rojas (story in Spanish). Ramirez and Farrell crossed paths on the Red Sox, of course. Manny added that he had hernia surgery two weeks ago and was never 100% during the season. He feels like he has a lot of baseball left and can stay healthy as a designated hitter.
Ramirez, 38, hit .298/.409/.460 in 320 plate appearances for the Dodgers and White Sox this year. That's a down year by his standards, but it's also the best OBP of any free agent. Manny said he's liked the Blue Jays since they had great Dominican players in the 80s. To make room for Ramirez at DH, the Jays would have to use Adam Lind at first base.
oh man i’d love to see this
The circus coming to Toronto?
Sign at your own risk
Can someone post Manny’s stats at Rogers Centre? I’m pretty sure they are crazy good. Nevertheless, Manny is pretty much done. But isn’t it weird that he basically came out and picked Toronto specifically?
– Edit: Take back what I said.. didn’t realize he put up those numbers in 2010.
I find that toronto fans love to pretend that they’re scouts…you don’t think it’s a little presumptuous to write him off as ‘done’ after the triple slash he put up last year? what are you going off, a 69 AB ‘slump’ with the white sox that he played through hurt, and still managed a .420 OBP?
Agreed, would love Manny on a one year deal.
Me too.
Too many armchair GMs who won’t be satisfied until the Jays are fielding a team full of 18 year old prospects, with 15 year olds at AAA. The team can never be too young!
Watching Manny would be a lot of fun, he’d undoubtedly be a productive hitter, and he’d put the “hope” in the “faint hope” of a shot at the playoffs.
toronto fans, or all fans?
no, he’s stated publicly that he was a Jays fan growing up because of Tony Fernandez, and they were one of the first teams to come up when Boston wanted trade him. I’m not surprised in the least bit.
.291/.379/.561/.940 with 27HR in 96 games in the Rogers Center/SkyDome. Not bad.
That’s ok I GUESS…
I wonder how many 38-year-olds wish they’d posted an .869 OPS and a .382 wOBA in their final seasons and they were “done…”
this could be a decent lineup-
2b – hudson
ss – escobar
dh – manny
rf – bautista
cf – wells
1b – lind
3b-hill
lf- snider
c- arencibia
molina/johnny mac/fred lewis/________ on the bench
Hudson?
I don’t see any reason why they’d move Hill over to 3B just yet, barring some major roster shakeup.
meh just throwing a quick, kinda lazy thought, I’d imagine AA would explore every trade possibility before signing hudson and moving hill to 3rd..hed probably consider calling up Emaus before he signed Hudson, too.
Brad Emaus at 3B does not make the Jays a contender in teh AL EAST..
if he plays good defense and gets on base he’d be a fine 9 hitter.
That lineup isn’t all that better than this year’s version. I think it’s pretty obvious that Lind isn’t a full-time player (look at his lefties splits this year) or at the very least – a full-time first baseman. His defense there is atricious and Cito/Jays didn’t give him a chance to see if he could settle there.
haha funny how quickly ppl forget… lind not an everyday player, yea OK.
at 27 you can learn to hit lefties. he even stated himself that poor preparation in the offseason was partly to blame for his terrible year, he said he got complacent. lind is still the best all round hitter on this team, dont let one bad year cloud your assessment.
Travis Snider will be the best all round hitter on this team but okay. Again, you can’t take away how bad his splits were this year against lefties. They were HORRENDOUS.
not at all, he was brutal. but lind is the least of this teams worries at the present, and the good news is that his contract is very reasonable even if he fails to regain his form of last year. i do not doubt that he will post similar numbers to 2009 in the years to come.
personally i see travis snider as a jose bautista type (haha never thought i’d say that), but you could very well be right. i just see his swing being more conducive to power and lind’s more to average.
As good as I think Snider will be, I’d still have to go with Lind as the best all around hitter on this team. 2010 was a bad year, but he can still hit to all fields with power. Both will hopefully have good years next year and we will see.
I don’t see the logic between moving Hill to 3B to facilitate an Orlando Hudson signing. It’s not like he’s an elite source of speed or OBP on top of the lineup. He had a nice all-around year, and I loved him with the Twins, but he’s not necessarily a game-changing player. You’d be better off leaving Bautista at 3B, putting Snider at one corner and signing/trading for a leadoff type to play the other corner.
I think pastlives is a Dodger fan and wants O-Dog and Manny reunited.
Seriously though, I dont think Manny, a veteran with no speed, defense (even a DH), and his atitude is good for the Jays.
Yeah man.. that .400 OBP would suck for the Jays.
You can’t be for certain that he will provide a .400 OBP, but I would love to see is get Manny!
like buying low on BJ upton for example.
Upton- CF
Escobar- SS
Ramirez- DH
Bautista- 3B
Wells- LF
Lind- 1B
Snider- RF
Hill- 2B
Arencibia- C
wells in left field. Snider in Right? ummm okay.
Haha, as if Upton wouldn’t go to a corner.
You can start off with taking out Lewis and putting Wise in there. FLewis already stated he won’t be a bench player, Wise would cost less and was much more effective defensively.
Manny would hit behind Bautista to give him better protection and I’m not sure why the Jays would get an aging 2B man.
Because Orlando Hudson played for the Jays and was awesome!! Uhh is there any other reason needed?
Nope. ‘Lando was amazing for the Jays, why didn’t I think of that?
but manny would be on base more for JoBau to drive in
Never thought of it that way. I guess it works both ways. As long as the Jays have a feared hitter in the 4th hole and have Wells batting 5th, that’s a solid 3-4-5 combo.
Jays still need much more speed to manufacture runs more ways that don’t almost always result in an out [SB > bunt sac]
Jesus no.
Manny is opposite of what this team stands for and I like to keep the fact that our team is about hustle and heart and we have a great club house and I’d like to keep it that way.
He should go sign with a contender or something.
Are you kidding me? AA should go sign David Eckstein and retrade for Alex Gonzalez because this team needs to be full of GRIT and INTANGIBLES and WINNING ATTITUDES. All I care about and all you should care about is – can he produce?
You’re overlooking the importance of having a winning attitude.
And as for can Manny produce… well he is 38 years old. How much production will you get out of him? 25hr/80 RBI at best maybe? That’s good but he would also be clogging up the DH spot and while I would like to give Lind some time at 1B, I would not hand him full-time starting job at 1st base.
Rofl, how did Barry Bonds do at 38? Ramirez is one of the best hitters to ever play, downplaying him, especially after a decent year where he was injured, is ridiculous.
Did you read what else I said? I said he may produce 25hr/80 RBI at best. What, you think he can still go out and hit 40 homeruns?Go ahead, realistically, tell me what he can produce and if he can still get 30hr/100 RBI then I guess a few teams will be interested in him, eh?
Because the amount of runs Manny drives in are entirely within his control?
.400 OBP, .900 OPS, the only stats that matter.
Well Manny has a WS ring to his name so obviously his attitude isn’t too much of a concern…
He didn’t want to win that World Series. He was trying to lose, because that’s what he does. Manny likes losing. He also hates puppies, the elderly, sunshine, smiles, laughter, kindness, the Beatles’ White album, babies, Coca-Cola Classic, and Snooki.
I’ve heard he even hates Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band.
(but don’t tell anybody, they’ll start thinking he’s gritty and heartless)
He hates Snooki?
Shame on him.
nice point, intangibles are important, but talent still rules. intangibles are something brian burke drones on about with the leafs, ignoring the fact that they do not hav the requisite talent to win a cup or even make the playoffs
Yea, nothing like taking the team’s late season media blitz of ‘hustle and heart’ as its defining characteristics
nooooooooo…keep that lazy half wit away from the Jays…
this would be pretty good
we get a dh who is pretty motivated to not go out into retirement as seen in the messy Dodgers breakup, he would hit around 25 hrs im guessing?
still having him as a dh solves our position crisis, we could put lind at 1st.
he probably wont be that expensive either
Why why why do people keep posting that Lind could play 1B. Look how many games he played there in 2010 and look at his defense. *Shudders. Even the Jays org. doesn’t think he’s a full-time 1B.
you haven’t heard anything from the jays, they just said that they would explore all possibilities, i agree that he has looked awkward at first, but if he can work on his defense at 1st over the winter and in spring training, he probably wont be much worse on defense than the supposed first baseman of the future Brett Wallace, who was also noted as a below-average fielder, and jays fans were all ready to jump on the Wallace bandwagon
If we survived with delgado at 1b, the jays will survive with lind at 1b..aslong as he hits.. i wouldnt say his defense is..shutters… i’d say pessimistically average
was delgado really that bad? I remember a lot of times when I was younger delgado making a lot of diving plays that looked like it could be doubles but getting them, and Overbay diving and missing… but it could be the range. Maybe overbay wouldn’t have even had to dive for the balls..
Avoid this chump like the plague. Let him go out to pasture with another team. The Jays have a good young team. Don’t bring in a lazy, selfish, clubhouse poison in and mess with the young nucleus.
.940 OPS in 94 games. I’d have guessed even better, actually.
Of course, that’s not 39-year-old Manny.
If the Blue Jays need a DH take Andruw Jones. Not Manny he’s just a head case. He’ll probably want only 15m – Jones can be had for 1M and play the outfield
If Manny is specifically asking to play for Toronto, I doubt he’ll ask for 15M. And the whole head case part is so overblown… Can HE PRODUCE?
Why is it that just about every professional athlete will talk about chemistry, getting along with your teammates and stuff like that, but us outsiders seem to think that has no influence.
A ball team is together everyday for six months – more if they go deep in the postseason. It’s crazy to think that a guy with a bad attitude won’t negatively affect the rest of the team.
I’ve played on and been around a lot of sports teams, and one bad attitude can have a really bad effect. I can’t imagine big league teams are terribly different…they’re still human after all
The best part is that he wants to be DH so no negative fielding taking away from his value, would love him on the Jays for something like 5M with a club option.
The clubhouse poison that set the NL on fire or the clubhouse poison that was one of the top 5 offensive players in the AL for the better part of the past decade?
I’m really torn on this thought. Manny raked at Rogers Centre in his prime and if he still has the juice (pardon the pun), he’s the type of player who can put a team over the top. But, his clubhouse presence has been widely reported as distracting. He might be the type of guy that would thrive playing in Canada with a smaller (read: easier) media scrum to deal with.
Personally, I think I’d take a miss on this opportunity. A) The contract (going by his history) would be a little high. B) I still have bad memories of the one-dimensional DH type clogging up the bases ala Frank Thomas. Yes Adam Lind is no 5 tool threat and runs like a little girl being chased by a hungry bear, but he can play a passable outfield and will be improved at first given the chance. C) Is he only interested in Toronto because of Farrell? That just doesn’t seem like the kind of player I’d want around.
“clogging up the bases”? Yeah, I also hate it when my team has guys on base.
Anybody but Frank Thomas on base = good. Otherwise, not so much. He would only go first to third on a double 😉
I would imagine that it would be likely that you could get a draft pick after the year is over providing he has a good year and you have to take that into account also
This is not the first time he has said this. He openly talked about wanting to sign with Toronto when he was a FA in 2008. There was also rumor when he was with Boston that he told a fan in the dome to “tell JP to get it done” or something like that.
It probably even goes further back than that considering the Blue Jays were once regarded as the favourite team among Dominicans. If we search, we can probably find a quote from him about Toronto and George Bell.
Yea, he has mentioned exactly that–about the Jays being a favorite team down there–at least once before
Hullo, Cito Gaston’s moronic decisions to not play Lind at first (where he was completely passable defensively) do not necessarily reflect the organization’s feelings about the idea.
Absolutely true. But man, the defensive drop from Lyle Overbay to Adam Lind is just absurd. Then again, as long as E5 is non-tendered I’m okay with it.
Lind is 27, I hate the idea that he’s a full time DH at that age. Carlos Delgado was a 3rd base prospect, then a catcher, and maybe OF too (can’t remember) before he learned 1st base. And Delgado got very good defensively the more he played. Lind will not get any better sitting on the bench for 96% of all the games.
I still don’t think you should hand him over the full time starting role but yeah, let him get some work in to see if he can play good enough at 1st base. If Fielder can do it, Lind should be able to and so far, he hasn’t been that bad, nothing great but he’s been passable so far.
Overbay’s defense this year was TERRIBLE.
And even if he’s no good at first, it sure as heck would have been nice to see him get more than a 7 or 8 game trial. We wouldn’t have to go into 2011 being unsure if he can handle the job.
The thing with Lind’s 1B defense too is it wasn’t as horrifying as some people are making it out to be. It’s only been very brief, but he did post a 20.4 UZR/150 in 2010.
I won’t say he’s instantly an above average defensive 1B, but early signs are he can at least handle the position.
Manny the singles hitter heading north!
1 year contract for 7 million as a DH… Why not? I know people like to bash on Thomas but maybe they forget he was very productive in 2007… Manny could do well hitting in Toronto and if he actually wants to be here, why not give him a 7 million dollar contact for 1 year… We will be paying Vernon like 23 million next year so whats 7 million?
Thomas was productive yes…but it took until June to see any real hits. By that point the season was an afterthought. His OBP was okay with all of his walks, but big Frank was effectively a roadblock on the basepaths.
A .380 OBP was okay? By Blue Jays standards that’s INCREDIBLE.
True enough!
I can see the signs already: Mannywood North.
Great, can’t wait to see A.J. Burnett swear on the mound like 20 times while Manny stares at him rounding the bases on a John McDonald GS.
Does Manny’s health problems and age make it unlikely that the Sox will roll the dice on offering him arbitration in the offseason? If so, I’d have no problem giving him a one year deal and seeing what he can do in a home run happy ball park. If he’s likely to be a type-A free agent, no chance. There’s no value in sacrificing a first round draft pick on a one year contract to an aging slugger who may very well fall out of type-A status this year.
Pretty sure he is going to be Type A. Don’t see the White Sox offering arb.
My mistake, I meant to say he may very well fall from type-A status next year if his stats continue to decline.
Good point – a quick check of the reverse engineered Elias rankings show him to be a borderline type A.
he will surely not get arbitration
No way he’s offered arbitration coming off of the salary he was paid in 2010. 1 year for > $20M is better than he’ll get on the FA market, and I doubt the White Sox really want to pay him that much.
indeed.
if i remember correctly there is a clause in the contract that manny originally signed with the dodgers that said that the team could not offer him arbitration. i recall thinking it was quite clever by Boras to keep the dollars extra high for manny’s next contract.
just look at what manny would do for the blue jays. He’d losen up the clubhouse, tutor snider and other young players. Plus a 1yr-7-8mm deal is harmless. With a whole year of manny as a DH I bet he still has .290BA (if not higher) 20-25HRS, 80-100RBI’s left. He would be a great pickup.
IF (and its a big IF) Manny could serve as an effective mentor for Snider, as they are both left handed (edit: in my fantasy dreamworld), drive-the-ball-to-all-fields and hit for power guys, he’d be worth 8 mil with a one year 8 mil team option.edit: stupid, stupid stupid. my bad.
Manny is left-handed? Since when?
And has Manny ever tried to be a mentor to anyone before? Would be great if he can mentor Snider though.
Really dude? Really?
Best joke post ever.
No !Manny Ramirez was the greatest Red Sox Right handed hitter since Ted Williams ( this post has so much potential )
ummmm….wasn’t he?
of course !
LOL
thats why he hit so many opposite field shots off the green monster !
manny is right handed
If it is about mentoring Snider, they should pay a bunch of extra money to try and convince Thome to come and mentor Snider. (though big Jim wants to be on a contender)
Not to mention absolutely AMAZING protection for Bautista, which would more than certainly help him to try and continue his power surge.
I feel like manny won’t play unless he is overpaid.
Dude, he’s ASKING to come to Toronto..
Dude, Johnny Damon was ASKING to come to Detroit. Agents like Boras are doing things like this on purpose to put the idea in the managements heads and make it seem to fans like their clients really think the city and team would be a great place to be, targeting teams that might have the need for a certain type of player.
Damon actually first asked for new york, then a few other places. then detroit. he was just looking for work. this is a bit different.
How do you know? Are you his agent? He has to start somewhere how do you know it isn’t just like that and he’s starting with Toronto?
Because he’s been saying he wants to play for Toronto for years?
This is so weird I was just thinking about this yesterday. Manny destroys the ball at Rogers Centre, much like Vlad tore up Ballpark at Arlington.
someone saw Manny at the Eaton Centre a couple weeks ago.
hmm
That was Elvis.
The creepy silver Elvis guy on the pedestal?
His wife and Vernon Wells wife are shopping for houses together.
“IF (and its a big IF) Manny could serve as an effective mentor for Snider, as they are both left handed…”
I shouldn’t have to fix this…wow.
Yes, we all got a good laugh at my expense. My sincerest apologies to all those whose day I have undoubtedly set on a course for disaster from this unthinkable blunder. WON’T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN?
TORONTO LOVES MANNY RAMIREZ!!!
Since when?
Since we acquired him!
This brings back memories of Frank Thomas….and not the good ones.
Why exactly is everyone hating on Frank Thomas? Sure the second year was brutal, but in his first year he still went yard 26 times and drove in 95 RBI’s. If Manny gave is that I would be more than happy to give him 5 million. Also he would be a strict DH, and his OBP is worth it. Hit him third and Bautista fourth. Manny will get on base a large majority of the time for Jose to drive him in. A.A get a deal done.
5 Mill? Yeah right.
the jays signing of tony fernandez and jorge bell pays dividends 30 years later !
Maybe find out real quick if Farrell has remembered any lessons from Boston: Ramirez is one lazy, can’t remember what body part is hurt, so go on the DL, sit at the plate and take 3 strikes cause he wants to pout, steroid infested piece of garbage.
Imagine Farrell more than remembers how much turbulence he will infest a team with after a short stay and that the negatives more than out weigh the simple stats that seem to blind so many here and other places that they only rely on.
Farrell just said on the radio that Manny was a true professional and one of the hardest working players in the game. Also said that he didn’t have an attitude or character problems. But I’ll go with what Johnsilver thinks John Farrell thinks instead!
Johnsilver, after commandeering his famous Pirate ship (and eventually owning a fish and chips restaurant), was a lifetime friend of Manny Ramirez, as well as his advisor.
I thought everyone knew that
Bullshit. In 08, the Red Sox wanted to win another WS, and Manny wanted out. That’s why there was a clubhouse mutiny *against Manny.* Took a vote, sent him packing.
I’m going to take Farrell’s word-a guy who actually worked with Manny-over some frustrated fan on the outside looking in.
Bob McCown interviewed John Farrell earlier today and he talked about Manny Ramirez. Said he’s one of the best right handed hitters ever and said he had no problems whatsoever with Manny’s so called attitude – that Manny was an incredibly hard worker (ethic and preparation).
Just because he didn’t trash Manny doesn’t mean he wants him on the team.
Uhh thanks. I’m just informing people what Farrell just said on the radio. Take it how you want. It’s what he said. Furthermore, Gregg Zaun said there is no reason for the Jays NOT to go after Manny. That he is a good team-mate and a professional. Take that for what you will too.
Thanks for the tremendous revelation. Would you also have traffic and weather reports handy?
Tomorrow is supposed to be 20 degrees celsius and rain in Toronto, so traffic will probably be slow moving.
Damn! That shot my plans of working on my tan, to hell.
People tan in Toronto?
Yes.. not everyone has been shot in st.louis?
Weird, I thought they had been.
Why is it called tourist season if we can’t shoot them?
Best sistuation I think is for the Jays to sign Manny as a DH, put Snider to 1st base where he started off with and Lind back to LF or RF.
Why would you put Snider at 1B when he is a far superior LF to Lind? Yuck. Also when did he start off there? *Looks at minor league career from 2006-2010 – he hasn’t played 1B even once.
Lind is a joke in LF. I agree with Hullo.
I’m hoping that the Angels get in on Manny – especially if it’s a 1/$5-7m type deal.
They would have plenty of money to still pursue Crawford/Werth and if Manny flakes out they could drop Napoli in the DH hole as a back-up and let Conger start behind the plate. That would leave you with:
Bourjos – CF
Aybar – SS
Crawford -LF
Morales – 1B
Hunter – RF
Ramirez – DH
Napoli – C
Kendrick – 2B
Izturis – 3B
Of course, this would mean finding a taker for Abreu and Rivera. Ideally, you would swing a deal for Figgins and move him up to the top spot of the lineup and slide Bourjos down to 9. The lineup gives you a decent mix of speed (Aybar/Figgins/Bourjos/Crawford), power (Morales, Hunter, Ramirez, Napoli). To do all this you would save maybe $10m by trading Abreu/Rivera and take on $30m for Figgins, Ramirez, and Crawford. So, you boost your spending by $20m, you improve your defense dramatically (swapping Abreu for Crawford and Izturis/Wood for Figgins) and completely redefine the offense.
“Ideally, you would swing a deal for Figgins”
This made me laugh. So, the Angels let Figgins go to sign with the Mariners and now you’re going to trade prospects back to the M’s for Figgins when he’s at the lowest value point of his career?
I think the Jays could be a fit for Figgins as well, moved back to 3B and in the leadoff spot. I certainly wouldn’t want them to give up much in terms of prospects in exchange for taking on that contract, but he does seem to fit precisely in the Jays’ position of most need in the field and in the batting order (assuming of course a bounce-back year).
3B Figgins, SS Escobar, DH Manny, RF Bautista, CF Wells, 1B Lind, 2B Hill, LF Snider, C Arencibia. Looks a bit righty-heavy through the middle of the order, but if Lind and/or Snider play to their potential that problem could fix itself.
Good line-up. Except I would bat Snider 5th. And try to trade for Colby Rasmus.. (pipe dream)
I doubt the Angels even attempt to “swing a deal for Figgins.” That’s swallowing a lot of pride because they could have re-signed him last year and they didn’t. Who would want to trade for Abreu or Rivera both whom IMO are DH’s which the free agent market offers better options. The Angels should focus on trying to sign players such as Crawford and Beltre who can help on both offense and defense.
No thanks. I don’t want to re-live the Matsui experience again and end up seeing the Rangers win the AL West again while we have a DH who plays half-heartedly and gets hot when he becomes aware that he’ll be a FA again when the season’s over. Let’s not turn ‘Mannywood’ into ‘Mannyland’.
I wonder, if Manny is truly wanting to come to Toronto, would he wait until he wouldn’t cost the Jays a pick, if Chicago offered arbitration? I believe a type-A or B doesn’t cost a draft pick either way after January 7th.
If Chicago offers arbitration, Manny will make > $20M by accepting vs. the $10M or so he’ll make on the open market. Seems pretty unlikely to me.
Edit: And I think the deadline is around Spring Training. Rod Barajas signed on Feb 10 and the Jays got their Type B compensation.
That’s what I thought. Now that I think about it, I believe what I was mentioning is effective starting May 1st, not January 7th.
Isn’t the deadline something like December 4th for offering Arbitration? Couldn’t be spring training, or else nobody would get signed.
Barajas signed so late because nobody offered him a Major League contract until then…
What about helping to draw fans back to the park? on a 1 year deal, might be worth it to pack more then 12,000 a game .
Toronto averaged 20K at home games this year… Not great but yeah.
I went to about 40 games this year.. many times when they said 13,000, there was no way there was 13,000 people in there.Also, 3 “home” games in philly, plus when the team was doing well, bunch of times the yankees, rays and sox came in the place was packed, add to that citos last game was about 40,000 plus.. Jays reached record lows in attendance this year.
Well this year was also the first year they only counted paid attendance in the attendance figures, and not giveways. Still sucks nonetheless, but that did have a small effect.
well free tickets shouldn’t count, they don’t generate ticket revenue. Why not just count the concession workers and security staff then
The attendance stunk, but don’t forget what the view was of this team from about August 09 to about June 2010. With the end of JP’s tenure, the trading of Doc, and not (seemingly) making any key additions before 2010, fan expectations were at an all time low. People thought this team would lose 100 games. People had really tuned the team out.
As for the Philly series, three 40k games wouldn’t make that much of a difference when you’re making an 81 game average. First of all, the Doc game would have drawn at least 40K in Toronto anyway, and check Jays weekends crowds for June for a good opponent. 30K for the other two games wouldn’t have been unreasonable. Point is: Wouldn’t have altered the 20K average by anything noticeable.
I’d imagine things will bounce back this season after a good 2010. They won’t see upper echelon good crowds until they’re a real playoff contender though, IMO. It’s been too long without a race here.
I’d also like to see the attendance splits (arbitrarily) after the all star break. The excitement here went way up. Especially after Morrow’s one-hitter, and Arencibia’s debut game. I’d be willing to bet that the team averaged 25-30K after those games. (*note, this is just a guess)
Andrew Jones has hit .230, .214, .158, and .222 his last 4 years. Even the Thomas comparison is garbage. Thomas was a DH while injury prone, while Manny has been less injury prone while playing the field.
Thomas Avg Abs HR Ramirez
‘01 .221 68 4 ’05 .292 554 45
‘02 .252 523 28 ’06 .321 449 35
’03 .267 546 42 ’07 .296 654 20
’04 .271 311 18 ’08 .332 654 37
‘05 .219 124 12 ’09 .290 431 19
’06 .270 466 39 ’10 .298 320 9
Can you imagine the laughs Manny might create in that sweet “suite” over looking the field. I can see it now (cue the Benny Hill Tv show theme music) “A Brazilian, a Japaneese, a Swede and a Jamaican Man-which meal. Sigh…..that’s Manny being Manny w/ many”.
a brazilian, a japanese a swede and a jamaican in the suite over looking the field……. sounds more like robbie being robbie
hayyyyyyoooooooo
Too bad cito didn’t have one more year, he could have benched lind and snider and lobbied for a big contract for overbay because he hit 20 homeruns, and thats all that matters, played overbay and manram over lind n snider.
To be fair, Manny Ramirez deserved to play over Adam Lind last year.
Be careful what you wish for jays fans, you might just get manny. He is a front runner and will only work as hard as the money you pay him. If the sox, dodgers, and whitesox could not get 100 % effort for 20 mill per year, what do you think you will get for 7-8 mil?
298/.409/.460.. thats not 100%?
Sorry, not close. He had one double, one homerun and two rbi for the whitesox to close out 2010. Manny is a beast when he tries and I know the redsox were not happy with his exit strategy, we would have to hear from dodger and whitesox fans how they felt about his performance.
Lol so the Dodgers and Red Sox could 100% out of him it was just the last month with the White Sox which you are basing this whole idea of 100% effort. Shut up. Farrell, a guy who worked with Manny believed it was his work ethic that made him stand out. Don’t go posting things you have no idea about.
Manny carried the Dodgers to the playoffs in 08′ if I was a Dodgers fan I’d be pretty happy with that
oh yeah? and what did he do AFTER he screwed the dodgers out of 45 mill?
please anything?
I’ll tell what he did for the team: got suspended and wanted out, hell yeah, real pro…
well… it’s not manny’s fault the dodgers threw so much money at him. I agree that he didn’t do much after that, but just saying he was the reason the dodgers were in the post-season in 08′.
He was playing hurt for most of his time in Chicago, so you need to ignore those stats. If you take his stats from the 66 games he played in Los Angeles in 2010 and extend them over a 153 game season (assuming he doesn’t play during the 9 interleague games at NL parks) and his stats end up at .311/18/102. Take into account that Rogers Centre is a far more hitter friendly park than Dodgers Stadium and his history of performing well at SkyDome/Rogers Centre then there’s no reason that he won’t be able to hit 25+ home runs if he stays healthy, which he’s more likely to do since he won’t be playing full time LF anymore.
Can someone remind me what Manny did in LA to warrant such hate again? .322/.433/.580 over a 223 game span? Damn. Yes he was on PED’s. Yes, his body failed him in 2010 (while he was trying to play for another contract). Yes, he took 1-2-3 w/o picking up his bat because Torre made it clear he wasn’t going to play him down the stretch. With Manny you need to stay out of his way and let him do what he does best….hit! W/ Manny all you need to do is pay and play him.
With ManRam coming in under 10mil most likely, why not use some of that 20+mil that was spent/wasted last year paying for Doc/Ryan, even if we keep our payroll the same as 2010 we still have a lot of space most of our important players are arbitration eligible(morrow,marcum) who wont break the bank, forget about overpaying carl crawford who will seek at least a 5+yr contract, just for the love of god dont put an at bats clause like Frank Thomas had cause we all know how that turned out….
Jays need to get Manny and trade for Fielder. The Brewers need pitching, and guess what? That’s what we have, and by “have” I mean “we have 3 teams worth”. Center a deal around Drabek and work out an extension beforehand. That solves the “who’s on first” problem and solidifies the lineup to an extreme extent.
Why would we trade Drabek for one year of Fielder when we can wait for him to become a free agent? Plus I guarantee you the Jays would much rather have AGon than Fielder. Fielder is getting fatter by the day and will need to be a DH sooner rather than later.
I think the real problem is the lack of a 1B of the future. Now that Wallace is gone, everyone wants to run around and find the next guy, to give us all peace-of-mind that such an offensively important position is locked up for the long term. Since Fielder is available, and relatively young, he is an attractive target (if he were extended in advance)
The same can be said of any player that is producing at that position. Personally, I’d rather not have Prince, as he looks like a definite breakdown candidate. AGon is intriguing, but also unrealistic.
*Shudder* The more I think about it, the more likely it seems to me that Lyle Overbay is the starting 1B for the Jays over the next 2 seasons minimum…
Even though he’s said he probably doesn’t want to come back? There are a ton of 1B options out there – Konerko, Dunn, V-Mart, etc. Or just stick with Lind.
Manny goes to Toronto it could be good or bad. 1yr/7 or 8 mill with a team option.C- J.P. Arencibia1B- Adam Lind2B- Aaron Hill3B- Edwin EncarnacionSS- Yunel EscobarRF- Travis SniderCF- Vernon WellsLF- Jose Batista DH- Manny RamirezBlue Jays should go after a starting pitcher to go with Marcum, Romero, Morrow, and Drabek. Maybe a Carl Pavano or Jon Garland
If Bautista and Snider are in the same outfield, I don’t see Bautista being the one in LF, and Encarnacion is such an obvious non-tender that I don’t see Bautista in the OF at all.
Where did Brett Cecil go? You know.. the AL East Destroyer.
everything is good but i think there non tendering edwin encarnacion after his year he has no average hitting with average power and terrible defense
1b lind
2b hill
ss escobar
3b Miguel Tejada
rf bautista
cf wells
lf snider
c jp arencebia/ olivo
dh manny
Yuck to Miguel Tejada. He’s trash. Also, Olivo will decline arb and Lind isn’t a lock for 1B.
well they could take the risk and hope some thing good comes out of tejada like gonzalaz giving us escobar, olivo is the only catcher i can think of that is good and would split time with arencibia