The latest Yankees talk…
- Talks between the Yankees and Derek Jeter are "at a standstill until Jeter and his agent, Casey Close, 'drink the reality potion,'" a source close to the negotiations tells ESPN's Wallace Matthews. The Yankees are stuck on three years and $45MM, while Jeter wants more years and $23-25MM annually. Matthews says the Yankees are not budging from their offer, though SI's Jon Heyman expects them to up the money but not the years this week.
- The Yankees and Mariano Rivera, on the other hand, are progressing smoothly in their negotiations according to ESPN's Andrew Marchand. Rivera could be bumped to $16-17MM per year, but it's unknown whether the Yankees will guarantee two years.
- Mike Axisa of River Ave. Blues estimates Phil Hughes' first-year arbitration reward in the $3.2-3.5MM range.
Surely the Jeter camp cannot think he is still worth $23-25MM annually, can they? Icon or not, I think it is generous to pay him $15MM annually. He is becoming a shell of his former self.
Probably a little early to say “shell of former self.” I still think he rebounds to have a good 2011 once all of this salary negotiation is behind him. Not 2009 numbers, but better than 2010.
-wtk
You are right, it is. But he is definitely not the guy who earned 23-35. Agreed?
I agree with you. His true talent at this point lies between his 2009 and 2010 seasons. He is still more than capable of .290-.300 and 15 HR’s with that porch.
yes but go see what players hitting 290 with 15 homers are getting paid… haha they would jump at 15million and roll around the field in joy. 15 million a year still puts u in the top 28 paid players in the MLB…. players hitting 290 with 15 homers are not the top 28 players in the mlb.
Remember, he’s a Shortstop, historically a bad hitting position. To get .300 BA and 15 HRs anually for a decade plus is amazing.
I agree hes been very good but he should no longer be paid like hes an elite player because he isnt. Hes made 200 million for being good. Hes very lucky the Yankees have offered him 45 million for being below average now.
Agree. He needs to shut up and be happy the Yankees are paying him what they are offering, because he not gonna get that, unless some team sees him as a huge marketing ploy and overpays him.
agreed. I also agree with the writers who are suggesting that Jeter is tarnishing his image a little here. He is supposed to be abnormal ie motivated by more than just money.
Cashman, Close, and Jeter all need to shut the heck up, lock the door, and figure this out.
I agree with the idea that he’s tarnishing his brand a bit – at the same time, I’m not sure it’s a fair critique of him. He may be behind the scenes telling his agent “Just get me a fair dollar, I don’t want to get involved personally”, or he may be saying “I’m Derek-freakin-Jeter have you looked at how gorgeous I am? Clearly I’m worth $100M!”
We really don’t know…
When you’re 36, it’s never too early to be called done. He was awful independent of any luck-related shenanigans.
If Jamie Moyer could pull two, just let Mariano have it.
$23 million for Jeter and $17 million for Mo. Wow you could field an entire Pirates team for that much money.
You could probably win as many games with just Jeter and Mo, too.
…and at the same time generate as much revenue with those two alone so as to share it with “poor” owners who invert the money traveling the world…
Dude that’s funny. One of the better comments I’ve read on here..
and probably add up all the pirates ages and itll be about equal as well
Jeter is going to cave. He needs the Yankees more than they need him. No one else will pay him 3/$45 and he knows it. I only wish that the Red Sox hadn’t signed Scutaro last year and were in a bidding war with the Yanks for him. That would be Hot Stove epicness.
I honestly don’t think Jeter realizes he isn’t worth that kind of salary at this age.
He’s younger than VMart, in catcher-adjusted years…
Sorry, that’s a cheap shot.
….what? I’d be more than willing to bet that VMart will consistently put up better numbers over the 4 yr span of his contract than Jeter will.
Comparing a 1B/DH to a SS?
Well then what exactly were you getting at with your statement? I’l rephrase it then, I’d bet Martinez will perform closer to his career norms than Jeter will 4 seasons from now.
It was just a cheap shot about overpaying for a guy in his declining years. Don’t take it too seriously.
Why would the Yankees bid against themselves? No other team would give Jeter $23/mil per season. Their offer was MORE than generous given Jeter’s performance.
Optics and politics.
Give Mo and Jeter the extra year. Jeter for 4 years 70-80 million and Mo 2 years at 30 million. Just in marketing dollars they will make up for the difference on both sides.
Thing is, the longer this goes on, the less it hurts the Yankee brand if Jeter eventually fails to re-sign — since, for assorted reasons (not least of them the year he just had) this whole drama is hurting Jeter’s brand more than it’s hurting the Yankee brand. And I think that, once Cashman realized that, he knew he didn’t have to overpay any more than he already offered to.
I don’t think the Yankees are hurting their brand at all. The Yankees brand is about winning and having big name players. Jeter’s value is tied to the Yankees. There are not many non-Yankee fans that would be very excited to see that Jeter is coming to their team. I know that if my team put a four year offer out there for him, that I would be disappointed. How many people are really going to buy a Jeter jersey that doesn’t say “Yankees” on it?
That’s exactly what he just said, Baron Von Reading Comprehension
Only Fangraph’s pays people based on what they make in marketing dollars. That’s why you see Nick Punto with a “$7M” value there.
In the MLB, it’s all about only paying slightly more than anyone else is willing. Nobody on Earth is willing to give Jeter that much money. And you’re ignoring the marketing value of winning. For as deep as their pockets are, the Yankees only hurt their chances of another World Series by having albatross contracts.
23 MILLION A YEAR!!! IS HE NUTS!???
This is such a pointless discussion. No other team is going to match or beat the 45mil the Yanks are offering. What is Jeter going to do….take less monmey and play somewhere else simply to spite the Yankees? Is he going to just take the year off, and then expect a better contract when hes 37?
Clearly neither of those two options are going to happen; hence Jeter is going to be wearing pinstripes next year. Expect the Yankees to up their offer into the 50mil range but either way, he’ll wind up signing.
The one thing I like about the Jeter contract battle is how Cashman and the Yankees aren’t giving in to Derek just because he’s their icon. If Jeter was a true and loyal Yankee, he take a paycut. They see him as what he really is: a 36 year old, bad fielding Shortstop coming off a down year. The highest i’d go is 3/55, maybe 60 but NOT 4 years. Let him go on the market and see how much he’d be worth.
I agree: if Roger Maris and Babe Ruth could get shipped elsewhere to finish their careers, surely Jeter can. Time for him to crack a history book and thank Cashman for the generous contract.
I think you’re right on the money. I can see NY going up to $60MM as you say for three years and a club option for the 4th year and a buyput for about $5MM. After all this silly drama is done, Jeter needs to be able to come back without his tail between his legs. It’s important to the Yankees that Jeter’s image not be battered too much, so they’ll make it appear as Jeter compromised in order to avoid that he look greedy.
DJ will sign with his tail between his legs in the next week or so, he has no options, no other team will even come close to the 3 yrs/$45 million. He has been richly rewarded over the years for his contributions, but he does not have much more to offer and he can be replaced with similar production for a third of what the team has offered or even less.
Jeter may have to much Pride to take a pay cut., The Yankees dont need Jeter, they are a Marketing Machine Themselves. , if they had Furcal at SS , they do ok.
If I was Cahsman, I tell Jeter bring another club offer, and we may beat it.
Derek Jeter is: PRIDE. DECLINING POWER, AVERAGE, AND FIELDING ABILITY. PINSTRIPES.
~22 time world championships sans-Jeter~