Links for Tuesday on a night that NL hitters have to face Roy Halladay, Josh Johnson and Ubaldo Jimenez…
- Geoff Baker of the Seattle Times says the Mariners aren't going to trade Felix Hernandez this summer, even though they won’t be in contention. They probably won’t be contenders in 2012, either so Baker wonders if GM Jack Zduriencik will consider trading his ace next summer.
- Erick Almonte of the Brewers is one of many MLB players to graduate from independent leagues to the majors, as MLB.com’s Doug Miller explains. I took a look at the path from Indy ball to the majors last summer.
- MLB and the MLBPA say they are set to announce an agreement regarding former players and Ronald Blum of the AP reports that the sides have agreed to increase pensions for older retired players (via the Miami Herald).
Given how much Felix’s contract balloons in the next year, any guesses on what it’d take to land him?
theo epstein: bag of peanuts and jd lowrie will do it
theo’s actual offer was any five of:
Clay Buchholz
Daniel Bard
Michael Bowden
Justin Masterson
Nick Hagadone
Josh Reddick
Yamaico Navarro
Felix Doubront
Clay and Bard are good but that is about three players short of even a contemplation.
not really. it was offered before felix signed his extension
Not sure exactly what it would take, but it would probably take enough to cripple a minor league system as deep as the Royals.
Then only one team could possibly get him… more likely to be one MLB ready player (preferibly a starter) two high prospects, and a two or three average to below average prospects.
It will take something great, but when everyone holds out and Seattle is forced to deal him as his contract nears end, they won’t get what they SHOULD get. It happens all the time. He’s going to command one of the biggest packages we’ve seen in a while.
Poor Felix. Such an awesome pitcher stuck on a horrible team during some prime years… He must be miserable. Seattle would be doing him a huge favor trading him asap.
It’s not like they forced him to sign his contract. He signed a mega deal, so obviously he either loves Seattle, loves money, or is confident they will improve. I think its a combination of the three, and despite the want to win, I wouldn’t say he’s miserable.
It’s pretty hard to be miserable when you’re getting paid close to 20m a year.
EDIT: sorry, that was for the first guy.
I am pretty sure Felix LOVES Safeco.
Yeah, poor Felix, and poor Josh Johnson, man we need to make a petition for those lousy teams to just give up already and bow out of the major leagues and give the teams only we care about their star players.
Stupid comment. I am sorry you don’t care about the mariners, because I always will, as I am sure millions of marlins fans do as well.
psst, sarcasm.
I hope any ways, cause I thought that was humorous.
Yes, that was surly humor, I love the Mariners.
The Mariners could probably get an unbelievable haul for him if they traded him this summer. But the morale of the city and team would plummet even more. That would be heartbreaking.
HE WOULD DEFINITLY GARNER A HUGE DEAL. THE ONLY TRADE I WOULD ACCEPT WOULD BE A PACKAGE FOR TROY TULOWISKI AND SOME OF THIER MINOR LEAGUE PLAYERS. YEAH, MY MARINERS SUCK RIGHT NOW. BUT WE ARE YOUNG, WE ARE GOING TO GET BETTER AND WE HAVE PINIEDA AND FELIX .. TWO OF MAYBE THE BEST ARMS IN THE LEAQUE..
I understand you said maybe but saying Pineda already can be considered one of the best arms in the league is jumping the gun quite a bit. He’s looked outstanding through three starts and for the M’s sake, I hope he works out. But you might want to temper expectations until the kid makes at least 30 starts on the ML level.
And there’s no way Jack Z would ask for any caliber every day player like Tulo in return for Felix. Building the Minor League system and getting high ceiling players with little to no ML service time would do Seattle much better in the long term than bringing on a contract like Tulo’s to a rebuilding club.
LOUD NOISES
WHAT?!
come on, all caps?
I HAVE BLOOD COMING OUT OF MY EYES JUST TRYING TO READ THIS!!!!
Tulowiski? Sure he may be young, but the only difference between him and ARod’s horrid contract is the ARod makes 10M more during the 10 year term some inept GM gave him and Tulo will “only” be making 160M over the next 10 seasons.
Montero – Betances – Heathcott – Brackman – Nova – Nunez
Montero – Heathcott – Nova – Hughes – Nunez
Yeah, Felix is having a blast right now..Nothing like putting the issues of entire organization on the back of a single 25 yr old. Perhaps they just want to deflate him even more. Whatever it is, it’s just a flat out bad idea. The business side of holding on to Felix makes absolutely zero sense and frankly even the people writing these articles can’t even validate a reason for keeping him other than attendance? yeah right..
The comments I read from fans on other sites have been selfish at best. Claiming their own interest in this all the while watching a losing team. Yeah let’s rob potentially one of the greatest pitchers of this generation with the support of complete team and for him to compete for a championship.
You think anyone will remember Zack Grienke in 10 years. I going with no. Hate to see the same fate with Felix?
Do anyone find it interesting some teams, a lot of teams, actually do well after trading one of their prized players? The Mariners have shown success several times with this..
Yeah, dumping him into the lap of the Post and the Daily News would be much better for his ego and self esteem than carrying a team out in Seattle.
Reread your post and you might understand why Yankees fans are the most detestable and self absorbed fans on the planet. I smile every time I read of a player with a No-Trade-To-The-Yankees clause. At least Seattle fans appreciate him.
It’s not easy playing in ny, but he wouldn’t be “carrying” the team. This town’s not for everyone, and everyone knows that. But the burden is shared between stars, unlike other places where one or two superstars shoulder the most of it. I think that’s what Century’s point was. But your point is still true, it would be a lot more pressure playing in ny, even with a strong supporting staff.
And btw, that no-trade-to-the-yankees clause is almost always just so they can squeeze a few more million when they ultimately do go to the yanks, because it’s semi-against their will or something. It won’t surprise me if the no trade clauses just happen to be to the Yankees, Red Sox, Mets, Cubs, Phillies, and other teams that have the $ to “convince” the player otherwise.
Just for the record, I’m part of the minority who wishes we don’t give away Montero and the killer Bs, for any pitcher, royalty or not.
OMFG….the posters here just kill me…….
Pineda gets brought up and a poster above says dont get excited until he makes 30 ML starts….but when the Yankee prospects are brought up…one who is the same age as Felix with no MLB experience, one a year younger with no MLB experience, and one who has never pitched above AA….we should just take it for granted that they are going to be AT LEAST solid #2 in the rotation.
Then we have the genius who uses the argument that we are cheating Felix by keeping one of this generations best arms on a bad team……and then theres the whole Zack Grienke comment…
Guys, I understand the comments are for fun and speculation, but seriously! Felix isnt going anywhere unless the Mariners are blown away. Jack has been in charge for just over a year, and is still working around some bad contracts, but has already improved the system ten fold. Felix, Pineda, Smoak, Ackley, the second pick in the draft….this team is headed in the right direction, and can be competitive in 3 years, no problem.
Thank you for saying some common sense, problem with this site is it is full of Yankee and Red Sox fans who only come on this site to post who they think their team can get and it boils my blood at what they think Felix is worth, you think the Phillies would trade Halladay for that garbage package? No? Why do you think it sounds too good to be true of a deal for New York to get Felix for that package of players? Because it is too good to be true Yankee fans.
While I would hate for the Yankees to get him, I think that bottom offer might be able to get it done.
They have better luck getting Halladay from the Phillies than they do in getting Felix with that package.
Further the Mariners currently have nothing outside of Smoak that is semi-proven. Pineda? Perhaps..who else? Ackley? good prospect, but jury still seems out on him. Yeah 2013 seems like a real shot..Please..and then what is 2014 with Felix facing free agency? What if he gets injured? So many questions, with very little time and no team outside a few guys..
This team is so SO far off from having “it” that it does require a full fledged tear it down rebuild, like Rosenthal wrote about. His article a few weeks ago was dead on perfect and very true. Anyone who doesn’t see this is blind or has the same business savy as two 4 years old swapping fries for onion rings at burger king – I like burger king
And this is why everyone hates Yankee fans.
I think it’s safe to say that Felix will not be traded. Any team that can afford to trade for him, simply won’t give up what he’s worth.
Thats just factually incorrect….a player is only worth what someone is willing to give up for him.
Really?! You’re going to try to bait me into an argument about semantics? I’m not falling for it. Go get a hobby.
GAH damn it I’m a weak man.
It’s like saying if everyone else has $50 while I have $100, and a baseball bat costs $80. I can afford it, but I choose not to buy it because it isn’t worth me spending that much on. Simple, right?
Yeah….except you are talking about an inanimate object with a known value……as opposed to a human being who doesnt have a price tag dangling from his rear….other than that your point is valid.
Actually, he does.
2012 – 18.5m
2013 – 19.5m
2014 – 20m
haha
looks like someone needs another lesson…..
If there were 20 Felix Hernandez’s…all making the same money, same productivity, that would be true. (I know every pitcher in Yankee system is a Felix Hernandez, but humor me).
But there is only one, and his compensation is only part of the equation. If Felix was underperforming and paid above what people think his monetary worth, that would change things….as would his health, length of contract, age, etc.
As is, think of it as a unique classic, there is no set value for the piece…he’s only worth to each team what they are willing to pay, and compensation between teams is purely opinion. Thats the way pretty much every trade works.
How many times have you seen a star traded for prospects that never pan out? How many times have you seen a throw in prospect flourish?
Here’s the fact. No, not every pitcher in the Yankees farm is Felix Hernandez, or up to his caliber. Stop spouting BS. It’s getting annoying and childish. I’m not even reading the rest of it until you stop these straw man fallacies. I’ll respond when you tell me how you expect Felix to pitch and be the clean up hitter for the Ms? Go on, your turn to humor me.
EDIT: Actually, I get what you’re saying. No need to explain. I got it the first time. I was just being a jerk by posting what his monetary worth actually is hahaha
What would you give to aquire the 2003 version of Roy Halladay with multiple years of control left at slightly below market value?
BOTH of my kidneys!
You don’t want to know.
Montero, Brackman, Banuelos, Betances, Heathcott…
It’d probably be more along the lines of Cano, Hughes, Joba, Kennedy, and Gardner. Are you seriously going to tell me that’s not a good package to build around for the future? And before you mention Hughes, I’m guessing the new team would not have sent Joba and Hughes up and down from bullpen to rotation year to year to mess with their arms/psyche.
That is a great package, now take out Hughes because his arm is currently dead and he is showing his 2008 numbers, and Kennedy because he is along with Hughes and put in that DH Montero and one of the B’s probably Betances because he has more promise so yeah if they offered Cano, Gardener, Betances and Monetero and shoot Brackman then Jack Z would have a decision to make, but then ask yourself, would Brian Cashman even offer this?
Right now? No, never. That’s the point though. While teams like the Royals, Braves, Yanks, etc. can afford Felix through prospects, they just won’t be willing to offer what he’s worth. There’s no way to justify it. Too great of a risk putting all your eggs in one pitcher. Let the kids develop and let’s say 3/5 fall below expectation or get injured, you’re still left with good cheap options for the future.
Also, the names I mentioned… I was trying to equate to what would be offered for Doc Halladay a few years ago, not for Felix today. Back then, Cano, Hughes, Kennedy, Joba were the big names in the farm, similar to Montero, Killer Bs are today.
Also, Betances is good, but Banuelos is the guy you want. Trust me on this one. Kid looks like a young Johan on the mound! Pardon the excitement, but it’s the freaking Yankees… we haven’t had good prospects to be optimistic about in YEARS!
if ur sarcastic, then BOY am i stupid 🙁
Edit:Was meant below my previous comment!
Felix won’t be traded. Argument closed.