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Angels Notes: Wilson, Bullpen, Coaches

By Mark Polishuk | November 11, 2011 at 7:22pm CDT

Here's the latest on the Halos….

  • General manager Jerry Dipoto has "reached out" to C.J. Wilson's representation, according to Mike DiGiovanna of the Los Angeles Times (Twitter link), though DiPoto added it's "very early in the courting period."  In his Offseason Outlook piece about the Angels, MLBTR's Ben Nicholson-Smith estimated the club would have roughly $10-$20MM in payroll space to work with this winter, so the Angels could afford to pay Wilson the $12-15MM average annual salary he's likely to receive on the free agent market and still have a bit of cash left over to address other roster holes.
  • From that same DiGiovanna link, Dipoto also said the Angels are looking at right-handed relievers.
  • The Angels' coaching staff have all had their contracts renewed and will be back in 2012, Dipoto tells DiGiovanna (Twitter link).
  • Keep up on all the latest Halos news by following MLBTR's Angels-specific Facebook page, Twitter feed and RSS feed.
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  1. SalaryCapPlease

    14 years ago

    They renewed Hatcher’s contract, huh?

    Reply
    • Diablo 2

      14 years ago

      i know right .. like someone said in a past article they should make Tim Salmon Angels Hitting coach!!! That would great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Reply
  2. IMmessingWITHyou

    14 years ago

    nt sure if thats a good thing…..

    Reply
  3. IMmessingWITHyou

    14 years ago

    yu darvish > cj wilson.

    Reply
    • dc21892

      14 years ago

      IF he gets posted.

      Reply
    • Michael

      14 years ago

      I hope they do go after Yu instead of CJ just because Yu is younger not because he mite be better

      Reply
    • Ryan Klinkert

      14 years ago

      Yu Darvish’s posting fee > Arte Moreno’s checkbook.

      Reply
  4. Mariners4Ever

    14 years ago

    Somebody should tell Dipoto about Wilson’s performance’s in the series ( and career for that matter!) before going after him! Just saying.

    Reply
    • Ta-Kuan Fuan

      14 years ago

      To be fair, outside of his 2009 postseason, CC Sabathia has also pitched extremely poorly in the postseason.

      Sabathia:
      2007 : 1-2, 8.80era, 2.20 whip, 15.1 ip, 21h, 14k, 11bb
      2008 : 0-1, 12.27era, 2.73 whip, 3.2 ip, 6h, 5k, 4bb
      2010 : 2-0, 5.63era, 1.81whip, 16ip, 22h, 15k, 7bb
      2011 : 0-0, 6.23era, 2.08whip, 8.2ip, 10h, 11k, 8bb

      Postseason Career:
      Sabathia : 7-4, 4.81era, 1.62whip, 86ip, 93h, 82k, 46bb
      CJ Wilson : 1-5, 4.82era, 1.43whip, 52.1ip, 46h, 43k, 29bb

      Wilson will obviously cost much less than Sabathia and also has less wear and tear on his arm due to only being a starter for 2 yrs.

      Reply
      • Diablo 2

        14 years ago

        let Cj go to another team.. and Get mark buehrle,Madson,and Cespedes.. I would love that!

        Reply
    • KyleB

      14 years ago

      Actually, CJ was a great pitcher during the regular season and he had one of the best road ERAs of any pitcher in the AL.

      Reply
      • cookmeister

        14 years ago

        Pretty sure he didn’t say anything about the regular season or pitching on the road

        Reply
        • KyleB

          14 years ago

          No, but he said his career.

          Reply
          • cookmeister

            14 years ago

            postseason career

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            • KyleB

              14 years ago

              He said “(and career for that matter)”…I take that to mean his career…not playoff career. Either way he’s knocking a guy that has gotten better each year.
              I would like to have CJ back, but not for what he’ll cost. I’m still hung up on the fact that Weaver re-signed for $85MM. CJ is not worth what Weaver is worth, so if it gets around $70-$75MM the Rangers should fold.

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              • Diablo 2

                14 years ago

                What a bargain huh.. GOTA LOVE WEAV!!!!!!!!!

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                • KyleB

                  14 years ago

                  The Angels low-balled him bad. If I were Weaver I would have walked out.

                  Reply
                  • Diablo 2

                    14 years ago

                    Hating.. and will he didn’t walk out coz he loves it here.. and we love Weaver!

                    Reply
  5. Corey Lancaster

    14 years ago

    Not sure if Angels should waste their time talking to Wilson unless it’s just to drive up the price for everyone else.  Third Base is a huge hole they need to fill.  Beyond that I’m not sure where their minds are in terms of potential upgrades.  But Angels NEED more offense!

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    • dc21892

      14 years ago

      Yet they’re not interested in Aramis Ramirez.

      Reply
      • Corey Lancaster

        14 years ago

        Well it’s hard to say who they are and are not interested in.  Problem is if you say you’re interested in someone specific then that drives up the price because the agent now knows you’re hot for their client and are willing to pay a premium for them.  So they could be sort of pretending they’re not really interested to see who else is and what kind of offers they’re making.

        Reply
    • Mariners4Ever

      14 years ago

      “But Angles NEED more offense!” welcome to our world!…. Wait never mind just figured out u guys have have more offense than we do! One can dream!

      Reply
    • Ryan Klinkert

      14 years ago

      I’m not entirely thrilled with the prospect of signing Wilson, but it doesn’t hurt for the Angels to carry out their due diligence on a multitude of free agents.

      Haren/Santana will both be free agents after 2013 (safely assuming their options will both be picked up), and it’s a safe bet to presume that Haren, and quite possibly Santana as well (will be 31 after 2013) won’t be back. 

      The 2012 free agent pitching class is absolutely abysmal/old. The 2013 pitching class, in terms of elite starters, features two likely extension candidates in Cain/Hamels, as well as Zach Greinke. After those three, there’s a considerable drop-off in talent AND age for that matter.

      Considering the Angels’ apparent lack of minor league pitching talent (just be cause Richards and Chatwood are OUR top 2 pitching prospects doesn’t mean that translates into future aces), they’re essentially forced to kick the tires on Wilson.

      Reply
      • cookmeister

        14 years ago

        it’s really too far off to say that Haren and Santana won’t be back.  I think Santana surely could, but i think Haren enjoys playing in SoCal because it is close to home and enjoys the area.  Not saying he would take a huge pay cut, but i think he will be locked up to an extension before he leaves via FA at under market value price.  He seems like a pretty stand up guy.

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        • Ryan Klinkert

          14 years ago

          He is definitely a stand-up guy and forgive me if I came across as pessimistic about the notion of retaining them. I would LOVE to have them both locked up. 

          However, Haren IS getting up there in age, so the Angels would be wise not to hand out too many years in an extension.

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          • cookmeister

            14 years ago

            The thing is, he isn’t a power pitcher.  If he were showing significant signs of declining i would be worried.

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            • Diablo 2

              14 years ago

              I agree we need offense.. CJ would be a nice add but i don’t want him, and i dont want Angels to give this guy alot of money…I say Angels sign Madson… and looks like they will end up signing this guy to..They should look into Cespedes that CF from Cuba id take him over Cj anyday.. Then make Wells Dh.. Cespeds LF..Pete CF..Hunter RF…and Cespedes is said to be the whole package.. We have seen what Morales can do and Morales didn’t have any Hype what so ever.. he wasn’t even rated anything he was said to be a power hitter with decent discipline, put it this way no one expected what he did…Cespedes and Madson anyday! everyday!(and Abreu can be our PH whether he likes it or not..or trade him but that will be hard to do)

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              • Sammy L.

                14 years ago

                Bell is a much better option than Madson, plus he wants to play in SoCal.

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    • Ta-Kuan Fuan

      14 years ago

      Would fans (and the media for that matter) really be talking about our hole at 3B if you had “3B” in front of Howie Kendrick and “2B” in front of Alberto Callaspo? It’d still be the same exact production, but their productions are more “suited” for their positions. Many teams would love to have their 2B lead their team in avg, obp, have more bb’s than k’s and play very good defense. Many teams also would love a .280-.300 hitter with 18 hr’s out of their 3B position. But since we have those players playing the opposite position, we MUST upgrade one of them?

      But I do agree with the principle of your post in that our offense needs to be upgraded. Our veterans completely tanked last season and we had to rely on our youngsters over-performing our expectations just to remain afloat.

      Reply
      • Diablo 2

        14 years ago

        I agree and i think thats exactly why Dipoto doesn’t bother on 3B… But we still need a big bat

        Reply
  6. Sean

    14 years ago

    Haren Weaver Wilson would be pretty intimidating 

    Reply
    • truhalo

      14 years ago

      Weaver, Haren, Wilson, Santana, ANYONE. dang

      Reply
  7. Hoosierdaddy92

    14 years ago

    This is just dumb. They have three above average starters in the rotation and just simply don’t want want to address the main problem. The Angels do not have a feared bat in their lineup and have a log jam at the positions that are meant to be filled by feared bats 1b/OF/DH.

    The offense is what desperately needs improvement but they don’t know what to do. They are sound at 2b and SS with Kendrick and Aybar. The only thing the Angels can do is sign Aramis Ramirez. They need an impact bat and they are absolutely log-jammed at 1b/DH/OF.

    Reply
    • Cankersly

      14 years ago

      I agree that they need to sign Ramirez. Seems the only position they can make a legitimate upgrade at. Sign Ramirez and some cheap SP.

      Reply
    • KyleB

      14 years ago

      I’m a Rangers fan and I can say that the Angels have a decent line-up. If anything fans should be mad at them for under-performing, not lack of talent.

      Reply
      • Ryan Klinkert

        14 years ago

        Very true actually. 

        Would’ve been interesting to see how the season played out had Vernon Wells duplicated his 2010 stat line.

        Abreu simply wasn’t himself and Hunter continues to utterly fail at living up to his 18 million annual salary. 

        With signs of emergence from Bourjos and the potential return of Kendrys, the Angels could have a more potent offense than some would like to believe.

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        • Hoosierdaddy92

          14 years ago

          they can’t bank on Morales or Trumbo though. They need an established hitter in the lineup and Aramis is that.

          Reply
        • KyleB

          14 years ago

          Idk if Wells duplicating 2010 would have helped the Angels edge much closer to the Rangers. Texas still won the West by 10 games.
          They should have never taken on Wells’ contract. I’m still dumbfounded why they did.

          Reply
          • Rob P

            14 years ago

            They won by 10 but it was much closer than that. Wells having his 2010 season might have been the difference. Angels quit on the season about a week out.

            Reply
        • KyleB

          14 years ago

          Idk if Wells duplicating 2010 would have helped the Angels edge much closer to the Rangers. Texas still won the West by 10 games.
          They should have never taken on Wells’ contract. I’m still dumbfounded why they did.

          Reply
    • Ryan Klinkert

      14 years ago

      Something tells me Dipoto isn’t exactly jumping at the opportunity to overpay for a 33 year-old Aramis Ramirez. 

      I won’t argue that his production has been remarkably consistent, but again, he’ll be 34 next season, that production WILL fall off…it would be an immense gamble handing him the 3 year contract he’s seeking. 

      The Angels youth movement has sprouted with Bourjos and Trout, and will continue once Hunter/Abreu are gone after 2012, the last thing the Angels need is an old, sluggish over-the-hill third baseman.

      Reply
    • Ryan Klinkert

      14 years ago

      Also, unless they hand out extensions to Aybar and Kendrick, they won’t be sound at 2b and SS for too much longer. Both are set to hit free agency after next season.

      Reply
      • cookmeister

        14 years ago

        Segura

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        • Ryan Klinkert

          14 years ago

          He’s had one outstanding season in the minors and has had repeated troubles with his hamstrings. 

          Will he be ready for the Bigs in 2013? Doubtful.

          Reply
  8. Corey Lancaster

    14 years ago

    Angels could sign Wilson, as they need a lefty in their rotation, and trade Ervin Santana who only has 1 more year on his contract minus his 2013 option.  That would free up the salary for Wilson.  Problem I have, aside from not wanting to get rid of Santana, is that they need to be careful not to overpay for a guy who is already 30 and hasn’t pitched more than a couple years as a starter.  On the flip side, I think he’d do very well in Angel stadium as he’s a fly ball pitcher and it’s a pitcher friendly ballpark.

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    • cookmeister

      14 years ago

      was just going to post something similar to this.  Wouldn’t surprise me at all.  Would have to be for a 3B.  Not sure if this makes sense, but how about Alonso from the Reds?  Reds are looking for starters, Alonso has some experience at 3B, and if they are committed to Votto long term, they may look to deal.  He would not be a great 3B defensively, but over time he could develop.  Just an idea, not saying it would happen.

      Reply
      • Ryan Klinkert

        14 years ago

        It’s a good idea in theory, but in all honesty, the Reds are more likely to deal Votto and hang on to Alonso. If the Reds are determined to stay competitive in the NL Central without raising their payroll significantly, signing Votto long-term hinders such a plan.

        Reply
  9. disgustipated85

    14 years ago

    Great.  Watch them sign wilson to an absurd contract and give up draft picks to texas.  Then with the angels luck, wilson turns into aj burnet or john lackey.  and those draft picks turn into quality prospects that would turn texas into the second coming of the big red machine. JUST GREAT.

    Reply
    • cyberboo

      14 years ago

      The Jays would trade Edwin Encarnacion to the Angels for Kendrick on a moment’s notice if the Angels go for it.  He is a decent 3B and had a great second half that rivaled Napoli’s huge second half in 2011.  Napoli hit 18 homers, E5 hit 15, Napoli hit .383, E5 hit .362, Napoli had 42 RBI’s, E5 had 43 plus 8 stolen bases.  He could easily be the big bat the Angels are looking for, but it would take Kendrick to obtain him.  

      Reply
      • cookmeister

        14 years ago

        I’d rather have Kendrick play 3B that E5.  And i know Howie isn’t a 3rd baseman

        Reply
    • Mariners4Ever

      14 years ago

      Take it esay….. wait you foe -_-!

      Reply
  10. Carlos

    14 years ago

    C.J. Wilson as a Ranger = Ace of the rotation
    C.J. Wilson as an Angel = 3rd or 4th starting pitcher

    All you idiots that think Yu Darvish is superior to C.J. Wilson, Wilson is a proven successful MLB pitcher. Darvish is no different than a top prospect… an unproven MLB player. Most Japanese players are incredibly overhyped. Hideki Irabu the “Japanese Nolan Ryan”. Then there’s…. Kazuo Matsui, Kosuke Fukudome, Daisuke Matsusaka, etc.

    Reply
    • Diablo 2

      14 years ago

      Agree and what happen in that Jap tour for our MLB players… Didn’t they smash? or sorta? not to mention those guys weren’t even the top hitters of the league.. Japan and asian players are overrated.. Very few have proven that they can actually do something in the Majors

      Reply
  11. Diablo 2

    14 years ago

    WE DONT NEED A-RAM..HE IS OLD and could likly end up being something like Wells.. and Aram’s D sucks!.. We dont need him.. Angels should get Madson… and Sign Fielder or Cespedes.If not then Buerhle,Madson,Cespedes.. Thats what id go with!

    Reply
  12. Diablo 2

    14 years ago

    Also we have all this pitching but what will it do if the O can get runs.. There’s a phrase..Offense wins you games..Defense give you championships..So if the Angels wuld to make it in the Postseason Angels will have that championship with our top 3 guys (as long as they play at there lvl that it)and im pretty confident some rookie or youngie will have a big year for us..

    Reply
  13. HolaAmigas

    14 years ago

    This will be funny if Wilson comes to Anaheim. Napoli goes to Texas, so the Angels get Wilson? West coast musical chairs!

    Reply

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