The Braves are looking to add offense this winter, and John Harper of The New York Daily News reports that they let the Yankees know they'd be interested in trading for shortstop Eduardo Nunez last week.
“They need offense," said Harper's source. "They need a shortstop because they don’t want to bring [Alex] Gonzalez back, and they like Nunez a lot. They know the jury is out on him defensively, but they think his offense is strong enough that he could move to the outfield if he can’t be their long-term answer at short.”
Atlanta did not discuss Jair Jurrjens or any specific players on their side with the Yankees, and they also showed interest in Nunez last winter. The 24-year-old infielder hit .265/.313/.385 with five homers in 338 plate appearances this past year, stealing 22 bases in 28 tries as well.
Nunez played short and third base primarily last season, getting regular at-bats when Derek Jeter and Alex Rodriguez hit the disabled list at different times of the summer. He also saw time at second base and occasionally filled in at the corner outfield spots. Nunez committed 20 errors in his limited time, most coming on throws, so his ability to play the left side of the infield on an everyday basis is still in question.
you and everybo–ok no, just you. good luck with that
Ok just stfu
I love the Swisher, Nunez, and Prospect for JJ idea that the writer throws out there. Do it, Frank.
A lot of Yankee fans are not hot on JJ and neither am I.
I would be willing to do a Swisher and Nunez deal for someone else though.
i’d do swish and nunez for terehan thats about it
Swish, Nunez, and Cano for Uggla+Teheran maybe
ok the yankees would not give up the best 2B in baseball for uggla. thats a no brainer that it would NEVER in a million years happen. Uggla is old as for cano who hasnt even reached his prime and is belting 30+ hr’s
That’s as crazy as you guys asking for Teheran. Neither one is gonna happen.
cano is going to be the face of the franchise in the next few years. He pretty much is right now.
Well the Braves are not giving one of best pitching prospects then
I think the fact that you think the Yanks would trade Cano for an unproven starting pitching prospect is hilarious and speaks volumes of how you clearly don’t understand the Yanks perspective. First, they’re not dealing Cano. If they were they would absolutely demand a PROVEN starter that they could have for at least 2 years.
When the Yanks trade a PROVEN all-star in their prime (which seldom happens) then it’s a completely different situation than when other teams do the same. In most cases other teams are trading their stars because they are either rebuilding, can’t afford him or feel that they will be unable to resign him/extend him and they are headed towards free agency.
I’m not suggesting they would trade Cano, there is no way. And Teheran won’t be traded unless is somebody like Cano
And the Yankees, who are in search of a top of rotation starter, would trade their All-Star 2b and best hitter for Uggla and an unproven pitcher because….???? The fact that they would even shop Uggla for another 2b speaks volumes. You are truly not dealing on solid ground.
this topic is starting to make my head hurt…
The Braves could do infinitely better than getting back Swisher and Nunez if they were willing to include Teheran in a package.
They’re not going to trade him, but Teheran is a blue chip prospect that would headline a deal for a major star. That return would be mental.
I agree.
yes matt cain lol
How about Nosei, Swisher, Nunez for Minor?
Our FO loves Minor. We aren’t trading him. Jair is the guy they want to trade.
I’m all for a Swisher-JJ straight up swap. I just want Swish.
Yes. Swisher for JJ. Straight up. If you want to throw Nunez in there, fine, but a lot of these Braves rumors are just stupid. Especially the Prado rumors. It’s annoying as hell.
if escobar was moved because he had character issues and was an annoyance in the club house and you want swisher, you clearly have not researched swish much
swisher has been good in the clubhouse for the yankees. always happy. im guessing your prob a white sox fan, as he did not like playing for guillen. as soon as he went to NY he had a better attitude.
There is a huge difference. With Yunel, it go to the point were it looked like he just didn’t care, everybody in the team hated him, so Frank traded him. It was a culture issue, he being Cuban was playing how he was taught, Swish would fit anywhere
Swish is white. He’ll fit in Atlanta just fine.
You dont give up several years of a cost controlled pitcher like JJ for a one year rental of Nick Swisher.
It’s 2 years of JJ. Not several.
I have no problem with the Braves’ FO loving Minor. However, he was very unimpressive GB% (36%) and has a mediocre FB (91 mph) and pitches in the NL. He does have age and being a lefty on his side, but I don’t see him as being any better than a #3 type, and he’s an unproven one at that. Not the kind of trade the Yanks would make in order to better their playoff/WS hopes.
“Our FO loves Minor. We aren’t trading him.”
The exact same thing was said about Jordan Schafer right up until he was traded. Let’s be real here, Mike Minor is no Julio Teheran and is far from untouchable, especially for the right asking price.
haha. schafer has been far from “untouchable” since he failed a drug test a few years ago.
Never said Schafer was untouchable or shouldn’t have been traded. I’ll be the first to tell you I jumped for joy and praised the heavens the day he was traded.
I saw the press conference they held for him after that HGH incident……the phoniest apology (if you want to call it that) I have ever seen in my life. He was a pompous @$$ before it happened and was an even bigger one after it happened. He acted very cavalier about it and like the situation was no big deal to him. His “apology” came off was that he was sorry he got caught, not he was sorry he got involved in something truly stupid and moronic. I’m glad he’s gone and no longer the Braves problem and pity Houston for having to deal with him now.
that much for one guy? Minor could be good, but idk. maybe with prado in the mix or bourne. bourne will prob be gone after 2012 due to FA and him wanting alot of money, as for swisher who is signed already. bourne would be good fit for yankee stadium as he is a lefty with some pop. plus would be a good speed piece to put either 9th in the line up or 1st
Michale Bourn? He doesn’t have any pop to really speak of…
The undervaluing around here is getting ridiculous. Bourn is a gold glove CF and a premier leadoff hitter who steals 60 bags a year. Boras represents him, and he is gonna get like 12 mill per year
I’m not undervaluing him, I think he’s a terrific player. I love a .350 OBP and 60 SB, I was just pointing out that he doesn’t really possess much power.
i deff agree with that. prospect being someone like betances or benuellos. because the yanks are never going to bring em up let them go somewhere and pitch
lol, no. I really don’t see cash trading betances, let alone manny.
Yeah, it is not like the Yankees would need pitchers… besides you don’t even know how to spell Bañuelos! LOL
Yanks don’t want jurjens no chance
Wow. Why in God’s name would you do this? A-Gon needs to come back fro at least another year…then hopefully Pastornicky is ready and he’s definitely an improvement over Eduardo Nunez.
If the Braves want a guy who can play all the infield positions, some outfield, and hit .263 while hitting 5 homers…they have Martin Prado. What exactly is the upside of a trade for someone you essentially already have?
you gonna knock a guy who hit 5 hrs while basically playing rotating utility? really? nunez is capable of hitting 20 hr and 50 sbs
In Yankee stadium maybe. That equates to about .25 homers in Turner Field.
Nunez is a righty. Your joke isn’t even factual.
yeah how would his hr’s account for yankee stadium? being a righty its further at the stadium. and hes a pull ball hitter. now if he was a redsox player then that would factor into the equation but hes not.
It’s still 318 feet down the LF line in Yankee Stadium. Turner Field is 335 feeet down the line.
since when were jokes factual?
Yeah, but against NL pitching that equates to 64 HRs for Nunez.
Nunez hasn’t even hit over 9 HRs during his minor league career stint. Maybe 15 at most if he gains some strength but no more than that probably.
Warmer weather also makes the ball carry in Hotlanta.
Nunez hit 30HR in nearly 3000 Minor League ABs and you think he’s capable of hitting 20 in a year? Wow…
Prado can’t play SS. I think Pastornicky could take Prado’s role and do it cheaper personally. Play 2B/SS/LF
nunez could play 3B once Chipper gets hurt again, which he will
he makes 5 million, and doesn’t allow them to pursue more offense
Dear Cashman: Please don’t trade with the Braves again.
In an indirect way we did get Dante Bichette Jr. for Arodys.
agreed
Hahahhaa that’s an excellent way to put it.
JJ or minor would be good. it wouldnt be another Vazquez as it was a mistake already because they saw he fell apart the first time
Yeah, lets bring him in. Makes sense. /sarcasm.
I’d do it if and only if Nick Swisher was included
Uh, gonzo sucks, I don’t want his non-bat back.
Me either.
I think we should trade Jurrjens for this Nunez guy and Nick Swisher. Nunez could start a SS until Pastornicky got called up. And Swisher could start in LF and give Prado his utility role back. And when Pastornicky got called up, Nunez could be a utility SS, since Prado can’t play SS.
JJ alone won’t cut it. In a realistic world JJ+Prado would, though it would be a slight overpay (though it makes sense to overpay)
Nunez would go to 3B once Chipper retired, and I think Simmons will end up the SS of the future for the Braves, not Pastornicky, which is why I keep pegging Pastornicky as a utility guy.
come on yankees do the trade, throw in another player maybe betances and bring in jurijens. try to pry away a starter cashman. they wanted nunez since last year, and sorry brave fans but he is alittle bit more of an upgrade then gonzalez. plus their thinking since they may trade prado or if chipper gets hurt again. nunez can play anywhere. i think with nunez and maybe romine or one of their prospect pitchers for jurijens can work. maybe even swisher to play left field lol.
why would the yankees trade one of their top pitching prospects for jurjens, who has shown signs of regressing faster than anyone thought and his pitching style would not work in yankee stadium.
He had one of his best years last year, with his loss of velocity came better control, he talked about how he was sacrificing velocity for location and movement using a new grip he learned from Jonny Venters, i don’t know where you are getting this “Regressing fast” nonsense
Jurrjens was the leading ccandidate for the Cy at the break last year…then he got hurt. He still ended up with a sub 3.00 ERA.
congratulations on knowing absolutely nothing about jair jurrjens and just spouting the same “lol nobody can pitch in yankee stadium” rhetoric that every other clueless fake sabermetrics guy does.
‘ jurjens, who has shown signs of regressing faster than anyone thought ‘
And regressing is how he made the AS team last year right ?
sure why not jesus montero for a bag of balls while your at it
keep smoking that crack bro betances for JJ please… betances is worth a hell of alot more than JJ
wow. you have no idea what you’re talking about. You mean the Betances who’s 6’8″ and fat and has had TJ surgery already? You mean the Betances who’s career BB:K ratio is 491:205? You mean that Betances? Is worth more than a 26 year old All-Star? Yeah, right. Yankee fans.
You should really gets your stats correct. Braves fans.
everyone should stop generalizing fans based on 1 misinformed fan.
You mean the way the individual to which I was responding did to Yankee fans?
I mean to both
care to prove my misinformation? or are you just being douchey?
wow someone is defensive, I am a Braves fan I am just saying people shouldn’t take one fans opinion as the consensus for the whole fan base.
and lol I wasn’t even replying to you, i was talking to too many idiots, LOL
prove my facts wrong. if you can’t, which you can’t, then shut it, Yanker.
Read for yourself.
link to baseball-reference.com
So, I guess I can prove you wrong.
betances is fat? 260lbs at 6’8? reaching a bit for something stupid to say huh?
Quit giving Braves fans a bad name. Betances is a great prospect and there is no way the Yankees would trade him for Jair Jurrjens. JJ is a great guy but he would get destroyed in the AL East.
Funny how Braves fans overvalue their own and then discredit others. I have NO problem if you have doubts about Bets…none. He has control issues. I just HATE when ppl speak of things as if they are facts.
a) He never had TJ surgery.
b) 6’8 and 245 is fat?
c) The ONLY thing keeping him from being a top 5-10 pitching prospect is his control. He knocks out an avg of over 10/9 IP and if he learns better control he can easily be a front of rotation quality pitcher.
They also say tall players take a long time to develop because their mechanics are so hard to nail down.
a.) yes, he did.
b.) he’s 260 now. at 23. that’s fat.
c.) only thing keeping him from being top-5 is control. and how many pitcher have we said that about? and how many actually do it?
Seriously? Do you not go to the gym, muscle weighs more than fat? At 6’8 260 isn’t fat… Have you seen him? You sound so ignorant.
Every Scout says he has electric stuff, his command is a huge issue BUT as the commenter above correctly stated, tall pitchers have a harder time getting their mechanics in order (See Randy Johnson).
Betances is no sure thing, no prospect is… but he does have immense value due to his insanely high ceiling. Oh and ya, please check your facts.
He did not have TJS. He had a ligament reinforcement surgery. And he’s 255.
Can we get a spam filter for stupid rumors posted on this site? Come back when it’s something legit.
yankees aren’t going to trade nunez… arod plays 100 games a season and jeter is getting old.. Seems odd to trade your depth for a SP who’s lost 5 mph on his fastball.. His xfip suggest he had a really lucky year as well
Every Year I hear he had a “lucky” year, and every year he has a good year, (minus injury year 2010) Maybe he is a lucky guy, Or maybe xfip doesn’t work.
If it was luck , then his ‘luck’ is getting better every year .
There are many flaws with these new advanced stats they have out now to describe how well a player performs or how well he is ‘suppose’ to perform . Wish we could just go back to looking at the older stats like OPS and batting average , ERA , W-L and OBP .
I think some of these ‘advanced’ stats are somewhat skewed . I know that the W-L speaks to the overall affect of the team behind the pitcher and not just the pitcher . But I do think that the ERA and W-L speaks to how good is that pitcher at keeping his team in games . A pitcher doesn’t have to dominate another team to be effective . He just has to throw that other team off just enough , or fool , to get themselves out .
I think this is the group where Jurrjens falls into . He may not dazzle you with his velocity or movement . But he knows how to pitch to get hitters out . And he did throw a few fastballs that were 92-93 MPH last year . He just threw them when he needed to . As stated before by others , the drop in velocity was intentional to have a better command of his pitches , which this last year proved with a drop from 3.1BB’s a game in 2010 to 2.6BB’s a game last year .
All these other non-Braves bloggers have to keep in mind that he was ‘arguably’ the best pitcher in the NL at the AS break . Josh Johnson had gotten hurt , but was the only starting pitcher in the NL with an ERA lower than Jair’s . And the Braves don’t have to trade him . It would be nice to do so to open up another spot for for one of the younger studs . But unless Wren gets a deal in return that is a definite upgrade to the team , a deal won’t be done .
If we were to deal with the Yanks , I personally would try for Jair+(Hoover or B+ prospect) for Nunez and Swish . If that one falls through , then maybe Jair+Diaz+Redding/Spruill for Nunez+Swish .
clearly Braves & Yanks trades haven’t worked at all in recent history. Neither team should do it to themselves.
Since the Yankees will end up prying away Brian McCann from us two off-seasons from now we might as well ask for Jorge Posada right…………
umm posada isnt a yankee anymore or did you not get that memo?
Yankees have a little guy named Gary Sanchez. Look it up… We don’t need catchers.
Pretty sure Posada is a free agent…Cervelli maybe?
Posada’s a free agent so have at him.
Posada is a free agent so he’s all yours
Dream on. Mac is a Brave for life. Look for a long term extension sometime this winter.
can we also look for 104 stolen bases allowed next year? mac’s weak arm and defense in general makes him a DH sooner than later. however i’m sure the braves will give him an extension while opposing players steal at will!
Good job looking at the defensive side of McCann when it’s his offense that makes him one of , if not the best , catchers in baseball . Oh and he has also been an AS the last six years straight and a silver slugger 5 of the last 6 years .
Nunez would be great as a backup third baseman and shortstop.
Which is what the Braves already have…?
Do you mean Brandon Hicks?
I feel bad for Braves fans who see Pastornicky as a SS of the future. He’s been terribly mediocre his entire minor league career, other than a hot streak at the end of last year. I hope I’m wrong, but I can’t imagine him being more than a solid utility player. And no, he’s not better than Nunez.
Totally baseless rumor coming out of yet another questionable NYC newspaper article…not buying it one bit
Call me crazy.. But how much of an offensive upgrade is a SS who’s minor league career OPS is .687
Form your own opinion of Nunez, I have no problem with that. However, if you’re going to do that then use his AA and AAA stats from his age 22 (09) and 23 (’10) seasons when he averaged an OPS around .750. I think he can be a solid .280 BA, .340 OBP, 10-15 hr and 25-30 SB guy.
If the Yankees could get Jair Jurrjens for a package leading with Eduardo Nunez just give Brian Cashman the GM of the year award right there. Nunez isn’t good and he doesn’t project to be any more than an average MLB starting shortstop. Jurrjens just came off an All Star season and is a more than solid pitcher, #2 starter on the Yankees easily.
He has hit well when he gets a chance. He can also steal bases. Cano wasn’t expected to be anything special either.
LOL CreaTURD
This is a good matchup for both teams and most of the people on here don’t know what they are talking about. Nunez is a legit player, actually has all the tools and 80% of his errors (all throwing) came in the first few weeks of playing this season, primarily as the back-up. Once he started playing more frequently, that dropped significantly. Even many scouts asked about this in the past and now agree this is not a problem and he will greatly improve. He’s a pretty complete young player.
I think there is something definitely there if they consider moving Swisher also. These would be two huge pieces for the Braves. I’m not sold on Jurrjens, but Teheran is an something worth considering.
For the Yanks, they get an arm and they go out and sign Cespedes.
Scary version is they could still package Montero, Betances, and Almonte for Gio and move AJ Burnett and $18mm of his contract to the Padres, Pirates, or others.
CC
G. Gonzalez
Nova
Teheran
Hughes
Sign F. Garcia to another 1 year contract for depth
Warren, Phelps, Mitchell, Banuelos (late 2012)
Good night.
I think his fielding will improve but offensively, even in the minors, Nunez isn’t a big bat.
The Braves aren’t going to give the Yankees Teheran, their number one prospect, for a 1 year rental of Nick Swisher & Eduardo Nunez.
You’re not getting Teheran period. It’s going to be JJ (maybe with Prado) or nothing, and the Braves can wait.
As much as you guys hated Vasquez, you guys stuck us with Melky, which was worse.
Melky had 200 hits with the Royals last year.
He must have eaten about 100 of those hits when he was with us. What does Jeff’s point have to do with what Melky did for the Braves?
Yes, he had 200 hits with the ROYALS (*not the Braves*) last year. -_-
I agree with you this is a good match up, but Teheran will not be traded and if he was you would not have the prospects to get Gio because the Braves would destroy your system for him.
JJ is up for sale because they want to open up a whole for the young guns, not because they think he is bad but because they can do it cheaper. Now thats not to say that Delgado and Minor are not possible trade candidates, but its going to cost you more than it will for JJ (yes more than for the all-star) because they are trying to save money. You will have to blow them away to get one of the young pitchers, meanwhile a reasonable deal will get JJ.
Thats what all of you fans have to understand who keep throwing out Teheran’s name, he aint for sell and if he was most of your teams couldn’t afford him, or at least it would be stupid to do it.
He just saw Teherans name on the top prospects list and thought it sounded cool.
I think it’s as stupid to think Swisher for Teheran is a fair trade as it is for Braves’ fans to think Teheran is worth Montero, Banuelos and others.
Teheran for Montero straight up!
I would consider it if the Braves didn’t already have Brian McCann.
you think you’re getting Teheran?????
wow. just. wow.
Julio Teheran is one of the most valuable prospects in all of baseball. There is literally no chance Frank Wren trades him for a package headlined by Eduardo freaking Nunez and a 1 year rental of Swisher. He wouldn’t trade him for Hunter Pence at the deadline.
Dream on, Yankee fans.
Dude, Teheran isn’t going anywhere and the mention of that possibility was a joke.
On another note, why would the Yankees even entertain the idea of moving Nunez??? Between Jeter and A-Rod the average age of the left side of the infield is something like 37 yrs old….so why move a young appealing prospect, when you need the depth and a possible replacement for either of them? This rumour is sheer craziness!
If I was Wren I would consider trading Teheran for another huge prospect like Mike Trout or Jurickson Profar.
Man, the Brave’s rumors this offseason just keep getting worse and worse.
I heard they’re gonna trade Teheran for Craig Counsel to play SS and bring back Pascual “I-285” Perez to replace him.
I like the idea of trying out Nunez to see if he could be a good SS or 3B for us down the line, but there’s no chance we get him at a reasonable cost considering he’s more of an interesting experiment than a sure solution.
Dont go to big with your offense now. You should target guys that have a OBP a few ticks above their AB’s like Eduardo Nunez!
Y’all want Arodys Vizcaino? I think I remember something about the Yankees liking him…
Really you think you’re going to pry away Teheran who is one of the three best pitching spects in baseball with a rental and an unproven ss? Nunez looks more appealing than I would of given credit for before looking him up I’ll say that but certainly not eyecatching numbers worthy of anything near Julio.
I think I remember hearing Joba was falling out of preference, there’s someone I wouldn’t mind the Braves taking a flier on.
Simple answer. NO. Didn’t we learn from the last time we traded for a pitcher from the Braves…
Gentlemen…
This rumor makes no sense, however these 2 teams could match up to appease one another. Swisher is a player that the Braves have targeted prior to this season. He’s a 1-year contract and the power hitter the Braves need. Jurrjens will make about 5 million this year through arbitration and is under team control for 2013. The trade straight up just doesnt make sense. Here, let me break it down for you…
Jurrjens has averaged about 175 innings/year for 4 years. During that time, he has collected 10.2 WAR. Career-wise, he’s about a 2.5-3 WAR player (if healthy, he could be a 4 WAR, and if not, he could he a 2 WAR). To the Yankees, that would have tremendous value putting Jair as the #3 starter behind Sabathia and whatever power arm they decide to slot in at the 2nd starter spot.
Swisher is essentially worth more than Jurrjens (on paper) by about 1 WAR, but will cost 5 million more and is only under team control for one more year. So, how to even out this is the question…
Jurrjens-2 years/approx 11 million- 5-8 WAR
Swisher- 1yr/10 million- approx. 3.5 WAR
Trade that might help both teams:
Yanks get Jurrjens
Braves get Swisher and Mason Williams
Mason Williams was a steal for the Yanks in the ’10 draft. He’s a 20 yr old CF that is not one of the Yanks top 10 prospects, but meets the Braves needs for a young, quick, OBP driven CF. He has the potential to be a Bourn-like player.
How do you envision JJ being worth 5-8 WAR in two years when he was only worth 1.5 WAR last year? You’re assuming he will be better over the next two years and I don’t know why considering he finished the year with a serious knee injury and a declining FB, a FB that mind you, has been declining for 5 consecutive years and bottomed out around 89 mph last year?
Look JJ has value, but I think Braves fans are only looking at him from an optimistic standpoint and ignoring the glaring issues concerning him.
Who knows how Wren values JJ at the moment but if his views are similar to the fans then it might be best to keep him and let him prove his health and value and readdress a trade in July.
I feel Jurrjens is more valuable than Swisher but both are good.
My replies to you somehow were pushed to the bottom. MLBTR has been buggy lately…
‘How do you envision JJ being worth 5-8 WAR in two years when he was only worth 1.5 WAR last year’
Depending to what site you’re looking at . Baseball Refernence had him at 3.8 for last year . But I want to look at Jair’s last FULL season . These were his stats in 2009 :
And I think this is why they are valuing Jair so high , because of what he can be when he does pitch a full season .
14-10 / ERA of 2.60 / started 34 games / pitched 215.0 innings
Jurjens for Nunez and a prospect or two could be a good fit. Remember a good trade is one that helps both teams. I would add Adams or Heathcott or Phelps.
Jurrjens for Swisher and Nunez makes sense for both teams. I just don’t want to trade Prado.
How does it make sense to exceed the braves max payroll by adding Swisher?
Everything I read said they were dumping salary so that they can add a bat. I’m sure that if they plan on adding an bat that’s going to make an impact they are not expecting him to be making mlb minimum. They saved money on Lowe and I’m sure whoever they trade to acquire a bat will be making some money as well.
IF it were a case of Swisher then they can make that trade using the money saved from Lowe and whoever they send to the Yanks to offset one another. The idea that the Yanks need to eat any of Swisher’s salary as if he’s a salary dump or prohibitively expensive is nonsense.
Braves fans wont admit it but, Yunel Escobar sure would look good in a braves uniform right about now wouldn’t he?
Yes Braves’ fans will.
But he has a “bad attitude” ;)
He just did not fit in with the team mindset that the Braves have .
yes! but lets not forget, cox ran yunel out of town. which is why managers shouldn’t wield ‘gm like’ power.
I am a Braves fan and I can definitely admit Yunel would look good in a Braves Uniform.
Just before his trade you could tell he was swinging at crap just to get the at bat over with. His head wasn’t in the game and his attitude showed it. So what if he refound his stroke in toronto, I still would not want him back by any stretch, I’d take Wilson over him just because Jack knows how to be a pro and do his job.
Elvis Andrus would look MUCH better.
If this article is anticipating a Nunez+Swisher deal for Jurrjens , then I’m sure the Yankees can do better then Jurrjens. Swisher alone almost amounts to Jurrjens’ value throw Nunez on top and you are overpaying. I’d rather target a power pitcher whose had success in the American league, ala Gio Gonzalez.
or you can just bring back the flamethrowing Freddy Garcia.
You do realize AL/NL is not as important as the park they play in. Al Davis stadium is a pitchers park, Yankees’s stadium is not. Look at Joe Blanton or Jamie Moyer for the Phillies, they had more success in the huge parks in the AL West not as much in the NL East.
Jurrjens/Nunez sounds like the beginings of a sweet deal… 28 in 20-12!
how about nunez and swisher for arodys vizcaino??
Throw in $5 mil, I’d have to consider it.
Throw in $5 mil, I’d have to consider it.
Yes because the Braves really could afford having another defensively challenged infielder. LOL Wren. You’re starting to make RAJ look wise.
And your gynO joke was lame
A deal centered around JJ/Prado and Nunez/Swisher would be nice…
Wren get this done. Nunez, Bourn, & Costanzo stealing bases would spark the Braves offense with Prado, McCann, Uggla, & Freeman driving them in. Not to mention J-Hey bouncing back too. Nunez and Prado can back up and start at any infield spot and save the roster spot wasted on the julio lugo and Brandon Hicks. After ole’ Larry finally departs, Nunez can take 3rd, and Prado remains the super utility.
Constanza doesn’t belong in any strategical planning for next season. 5th OF at most.
You guys are all crazy. A trade with the Yankees just doesn’t make sense. The Yankees prospects that we’re interested in they’re not going to trade us. Pastornicky will be the starting SS in 2012 and we need a better option in LF for the long haul since Prado will take over 3B for Chipper when he retires where Prado fits in well. (That’s if we keep him which we should)
Nunez is nice but just doesn’t fit in with the team in the future. I’d rather trade Jurrjens for LF/CF prospects and a pitching prospect or two.
We can find a cheap option at SS or even start Pastornicky this year to give him the experience. We could sit back and be fine with the roster we have right now as well. With Hanson’s shoulder history I’d rather just keep Jurrjens and have a great rotation.
Shoulder ‘history’? He threw 100 plus in 09′ when he was called up midseason, threw 200 plus in 2010 and had 2011 cut short. Not sure where you get the shoulder ‘history’ thing.
And as for Pastornicky….he must not be ready if they’re continuing to look for options. He hasn’t even had a full season at Triple A.
1. He’s young, that’s why and there was no “serious” knee injury (bone bruise).
2. His velocity was down because he wanted it down. His control was immaculate (Maddux-esque) during the ’11 season. If the Yanks want him to throw 92-93, he can (his velo during his final 2 simulated games was back up to 94).
1. He’s young, that’s why and there was no “serious” knee injury (bone bruise).2. His velocity was down because he wanted it down. His control was immaculate (Maddux-esque) during the ’11 season. If the Yanks want him to throw 92-93, he can (his velo during his final 2 simulated games was back up to 94).
*Note on value: Jair, who is one of the rare pitchers that defies advanced stats year after year, gets ripped by Fangraphs WAR because of his low K rate. However, his WAR over at baseball-reference is much higher (3.8). Depending on what stats you value, Jair was either average or well-above it (year to year, he varies).
Jair’s bWAR and fWAR by year:
’07: 0.4 compared to 0.2
’08: 2.5 compared to 3.7
’09: 5.3 compared to 3.9
’10: -0.1 compared to 1.2
’11: 3.8 compared to 1.5
Dave O’Brien of the AJC seems to think that there could be some life to a JJ for Swisher/Nunez deal
Would you see it as fair deal for both? Just curious since you seem like a fairly dedicated Braves fan.
Yes I would. JJ is more than a stud when he’s healthy.
Honestly, I think (As a Braves fan) JJ+Prado would be an overpay for Swisher/Nunez , but JJ himself is an underpay.
Yanks would have to throw in a B+ type position prospect to get JJ+Prado. If the prospect was a little better/perfect fit, I’d throw in Hoover or Zeke Spruill (B+ pitching prospects, Hoover’s a reliever now, but he’d be a starter in most orgs still, that’s due to the logjam in high minors)
Jair for Nunez & Gardner
Yankee offseason:
1- TRADE OF N.SWISHER & IF E.NUNEZ TO THE BRAVES FOR RHP J.JURRGENS & UT M.PRADO
2- TRADE C/1B/DH J.MONTERO TO THE OAKLAND A’S FOR LHP G.GONZALEZ
3- SIGN OF/DH C.BELTRAN 1YR 8MILL W/7MILL INCENTIVES.
LINEUP:
1- GARDNER LF
2- JETER SS
3- TEX 1B
4- CANO 2B
5- A ROD DH
6- GRANDERSON CF
7- BELTRAN RF
8- MARTIN C
9- PRADO 3B
BENCH:
IF R.PENA
1B/3B B.LAIRD
C CERVELLI
OF DICKERSON
ROTATION:
LHP CC
RHP NOVA
LHP G.GONZALEZ
RHP JJ
RHP Burnett
BULLPEN:
M. Rivera (CL)
R. Soriano
D. Robertson
B. Logan
C. Wade
P.HUGHES
J. Chamberlain
wow. Prado and JJ for 1 year rental and D deficient infielder?
how about you throw in mason williams AND dante bichette. then it’s done.
Since you put it that way, Jurrjens is in control for two more seasons and is coming of a injury riddled season. Name one outfielder other than Beltran and Quentin who could match-up to Swisher. (available)
Bichette isn’t going anywhere. We drafted him higher than he should have because it was a sweetheart sorta thing.
And maybe because he’s actually good?
I don’t think Nunez is D deficient, and Gardner’s a perfect fit even as a 1-yr rental.
Prado and JJ are gone in 2 years no matter what.
What are you going to do, re-sign Jack Wilson?
Rather give Hughes a shot over Burnett, in fact if it is true that teams have shown interest in AJ I would just trade him for the most minimal of returns.
What makes you think Montero can get us Gio straight up? What makes you think Beltran would sign with us for 1/$8 mil? None of what you suggested sound reasonable at all.
Haha yeah why would the Braves trade for Swisher if Beltran is on the market for practically nothing?
Hahaha there is no way Wren would give up JJ and Prado for a backup infielder and one year of Swisher. Also, Prado is not a very good third baseman. You would probably be better off with Arod.
1st, Prado and especially JJ are 2 year “rentals” anyway. 2nd Prado is a good third 3B. And 3rd a utilty infielder who can back up or start at SS is exactly what the Braves need along with a corner outfielder with some pop.
1- TRADE OF N.SWISHER & IF E.NUNEZ TO THE BRAVES FOR RHP J.JURRGENS & UT M.PRADO
Braves Lineup:
1- Bourn CF
2- McCann C
3- Heyward RF
4- Uggla 2b
5- Swisher LF
6- Chipper 3b
7- F.Freeman 1b
8- E.Nunez SS
Bench:
OF/1b M.Diaz
UT E.Hinske
C D.Ross
IF B.COnrad
Rotation:
RHP Hanson, RHP Hudson, RHP Beachy, LHP MInor, RHP Teheran
C. Kimbrel (CL)
J. Venters
E. O’Flaherty
K. Medlen
A. Vizcaino
Vizcaino will be starting in Gwinett in 2012, not in the pen. That was just a love to limit his innings and relieve pressure on the Big 3.
I suspect the back of the Braves pen will be : C-Mart (who is real good), Gearrin, Varvaro
I also think Pastornicky makes the club, or they re-sign Jack Wilson for cheap if this trade happens. You do need a backup SS on the roster, if Nunez gets hurt during a game, who plays short- Heyward?
Eduardo Nunez is a 24-year-old defensively challenged infielder with a career OPS+ of 83 and a career WAR of a negative 0.7. The Yankees should not expect much in return.
Are you really using his career WAR? All 359 AB’s as a utility player and back up to Arod and Jeter? Really? And you speak of his age 24 as if that’s old. Seriously, could care less if you don’t like the guy but how about using some sort of points that are relevant at least?
Thanks for the feedback … I welcome your “relevant” points on the value of Eduardo Nunez.
I’ll start with the .274/.318/.369/.687 line Nunez has posted in 2,772 plate appearances in the minors.
He played in a very pitcher friendly park in the minors. He has shown power in Yankee stadium
Oh, dear Lord…
As I posted on another post Yanks and Braves are not good trade partners. Braves will not pay 10 Mil Swisher is due for 2012. Secondly he will be a FA after 2012 which means Braves now have to replace 2 OF for 2013. Swisher does not appear on Braves Radar.
FW has already stated he would not make a trade for a ss that would block ss in our minor system. Should Nunez be acquired he figures to be a utility player with Braves. He may start some in 2012 if Braves did not acquire a one year starter. Nunez would assume super utility position that Prado currently has. FW certainly would not consider trading a starting pitcher (JJ) for Nunez. Yanks have stated Nunez will be Jeter’s replacement, so there is no interest on their part, certainly not for what Braves would be offering.
I anticipate Prado going to Rockies for Seth Smith and Wheeler. Braves would be set for all 3 OF positions in 2013. JJ probably goes to the Reds for OF dept and possibly a ss. Yanks are not a good trade partner for the Braves.
Braves don’t want another LH hitter, why the Seth Smith trade is bad. Braves are too lefty as is. McCann, Heyward, Freeman, Bourn all LH
Beltran makes the most sense, but wants too many years and is a big injury risk.
Yankees don’t need another average starter. They need a good bat off the bench in Nunez. The Yankees aren’t the ones knocking at the door. If you want something from us you’re going to pay for it.
The Braves aren’t knocking either. I’m perfectly ok with keeping JJ and Prado if a team is trying to hose. Nunez by himself is worth about 2/3rds of JJ.
So keep him? That’s the point. Nobody is going to bend over to make this deal in the Yankees club. We need another Ace, not another number 3 guy. There is a reason the Braves are willing to trade him right now…
And that reason is to free up the logjam of the Braves rotation with Teheran , Delgado , Vizz and Minor . Granted , we have already opened one spot by moving Lowe . But one player who many fail to post about that may figure into the Braves starting rotation this year is Kris Medlen . He is a starter first , reliever second . And he was so impressive in his starts in 2010 that now with him healthy , he may be the one that takes over in Lowes spot .
Well, it sounds like this rumor is dead anyway. I think Cashman is tired of having the rug pulled from under him with the braves trades. If you guys want something from us it’s going to cost you. No, I don’t own, or run the club, but lets call it a good guess…
The Braves aren’t knocking either. I’m perfectly ok with keeping JJ and Prado if a team is trying to hose. Nunez by himself is worth about 2/3rds of JJ.
Yes sir, Mr. Steinbrenner, sir! LOL. Who are you, Brian Cashman?
I love it when people on this site post statements as if they have a say in rumored transactions. It’s hilarious. Want something from ‘Us’? LOL.
And yea…’average’ guys go 12-3 in the first half and nearly start over Halladay in the All-Star game.
They may not be knockin’ but I bet they bite and make an offer…
Yankees don’t need another average starter. They need a good bat off the bench in Nunez. The Yankees aren’t the ones knocking at the door. If you want something from us you’re going to pay for it.
I would be in favor of Jair Jurrjens for Eduardo Nuñez and Nick Swisher +4.5 million.
The Yankees could then sign Carlos Beltran. Beltran is better than Swisher IMO