On Day 1 of the Winter Meetings, the Angels emerged as the favorites for C.J. Wilson. The southpaw also has an offer from the Marlins, and Wilson's former team, the Rangers, plan to make their first official bid on Wilson today. He reportedly has a six-year offer from an unknown team (not the Rangers or Nationals). We'll compile all of your Wilson rumors here…
- The Angels won't go six years on Wilson, tweets MLB Network's Jon Heyman.
- Garber said his meeting with the Rangers tonight was "great" and that he was pleasantly surprised, as Richard Durrett of ESPN Dallas writes.
- The Angels are already drawing trade interest on Ervin Santana in anticipation of a possible Wilson signing, tweets Ken Rosenthal.
- The Rangers appear to have shifted their focus from Mark Buehrle to Wilson, Sullivan reports. However, Wilson's agent told Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports that he hasn't received a formal offer from Texas yet (Twitter link).
- Heyman hears that the Rangers' offer to Wilson is for about $60MM over four years (Twitter link).
- Contrary to Rosenthal's tweet, MLB Network's Jon Heyman (Twitter link) and MLB.com's T.R. Sullivan say that if the Marlins sign Pujols, they'll be out of the running for Wilson. Heyman adds that in that scenario, the Marlins would be out on Buehrle as well.
- Marlins owner Jeffrey Loria is pushing the team's interest in Wilson and won't rule out signing him and Albert Pujols, tweets Ken Rosenthal.
- The Angels are doubtful to go six years on Wilson, tweets Jon Heyman of MLB Network, though Anthony Andro says manager Mike Scioscia doesn't seem concerned about contract length.
- The Marlins are fading on Wilson, tweets Ken Rosenthal.
- Some of what's been reported this week are "complete lies," Wilson said on the Ben & Skin show today. Wilson said that his agent Bob Garber is scheduled to have dinner with Rangers GM Jon Daniels tonight.
Ben and Skin are pure greatness. Love living in the DFW area.
I didn’t get to hear the interview because I was in class. I’m waiting for them to put it up online.
Miami can’t possible afford Wilson if they get both Reyes AND Pujols.
Can they?
Leffrey Loria = Bernie Madoff
The Marlins have been hoarding cash for years. They just scammed Miami into building a stadium so the little ol poor marlins might have a few nickles laying around.
The Yankees and Sox are bankrolling these expenditures.
Thats who i think the mystery team is, is the yankees. cause this mystery team appeared 2 hours after cashman landed in Dallas. to be honest though as a yankee fan i dont want Wilson on the team, hes a playoff bum. rather see betances or banuellos try to emerge as a top pitcher and save cash. maybe sign jeff francis or try to trade for someone like westbrook or lohse
6 year offer, I’d say the Marlins.
I think it’s someone you’d never expect. Pirates?
Royals!
how is the marlins a mystery team when they been mentioned the last two days?
I posted that way before their names were even mentioned in that post. I never called them a mystery team.
NOOOOOOOO! Please don’t sign CJ Wilson.. (facepalm) The Angels need offense (Fielder) not a 2 year Pitcher who is as cocky as Lady Gaga’s mouth.. FK
CJ is pretty humble… he can pitch a shutout and be pissed off about walking 4 guys. He can last three innings giving up five runs and he’ll tell the media that he just plain sucked. Rivals or no, you’ve clearly caught on to the wrong perception.
CJ is a good SP but the Angels need offense.. Not another SP who will lose a 3-2 game because the offense is full of slap hitters and old washed up all stars
You can never have too much pitching (see invincible Red Sox 2011). Things fall apart and based on our park and roster strength that is how we are going to compete. We should sign a 4th guys (CJ, Buherle..etc) and slot Hawaii 5-0 (Jerome Williams) in as our 5. We are llikely going to move one of the Callaspo/Macier pair + a prospect for a decent 3b. That is the best way we can win.
What 3B? There really isnt anyone to go after.. Should of just signed Adrian Beltre and kept Napoli instead of trading for fkn Vernon Wells. Last year as a diehard Angels fan was the last straw.. I cancelled my season seat that I’ve had since I was 18 ( 29) and I just give up on Arte Moreno as our Owner..
Thats ridiculous. We almost won the wildcard and we have a pretty young solid pitching staff. The Vernon Wells trade will go down as the worst (talent/financial) trade in modern baseball, but our team still is primed to compete.
The Angels over-achieved last year. They had a great 1-3 but NO offense.. Arte year in and year out fails to bring us that ONE BIG BAT, every year is the same BS from this FO.. Now, I’m going to just turn the channel when the HALos can’t seem to help their SP an get some freaking runs.
You are probably better suited to be Yankees Fan or part of some other heavily bandwagoned following. If 90+ wins annually is not enough for you I suggest you go elsewhere.
But Joe Wright has been following the Angels since he was 18…or (29)…or something!!
Why? Because I want the best for my team? I would never be a bandwagon fan, i’ll just b__ and complain online =)
when the giants won the world series did they have a great offense? or was it pretty much all Bigtimetimmyjim and that pitching staff, go ask the rangers
The Giants got hot at the perfect time. Just like the Cardinals did.
The Giants pitching was too hot, and the Cards bats were too hot.
Thats the point im trying to say without saying it, if you can make the playoffs then really its the hottest team, really doesnt matter what you have
2 outs 1 strike away.. twice. Classic.
2 outs 1 strike away.. twice. Classic.
Remember the Disney Corporation? Come on, Moreno has done everything correct since canning Reagins.
Yeah if your rotation needs a starter, I think that should be a back-of-the-rotation one, not the top FA SP of the offseason.
Yea, taking pitching advice from the Rangers is like taking an ethics class at Penn State.
The Rangers had a quite decent pitching in 2011 so yeah, you might wanna pay attention to what the Rangers say about pitching.
yeah they have a decent pitching staff until the series lol. and if they keep converting RP and their closers into SP their gonna tear all their pitchers arms up. so yeah ill pass on taking advice from the rangers lol
Dude, Texas had better pitching numbers than the Angels… Your logic is false
The Rangers have a really good pitching staff. I wish people like you would troll elsewhere.
Edwin Jackson would be my choice..
humble is not the way i would describe him. if you could have heard some of his post game talks after he would walk 3-4 guys you would agree…he doesnt accept blame but enjoys placing it.
You must not be a Ranger fan. Humble he is not and I can agree on that fact but there is a certain ego that comes with standing out on the mound and expecting to be the best. All of the great pitchers have that ego. Nolan did, so did Pedro Martinez, Randy Johnson, Roy Halladay, Maddox and I can keep going. Wilson has never thrown anybody under the bus and never would. He is never satisfied with himself and always takes the blame. find me one quote to back up your thought and I can easily find 20 that say otherwise.
Ive been a Rangers fan my entire life so to say that is false. I understand the ego your talking about but take for example a game against I think KC. He walked 3 batter in the first inning and I think 3-4 runs may have scored. Fast forward to the end of the game and CJ is asked about this. He then goes on to blame it on bleeders and seeing eye singles on top of a few balls he felt his defense should have gotten to. No mention of the 3 walks. Ron Washington is asked about this, he flat out says “I wish he had been more of a man” in terms of his response. In other words, own up to the 3 men you put on base to begin with. I know he is never satisfied with himself, you can see it every time he kicks his leg after a bad pitch. I am not talking about his competive drive. Its very obvious in how competitive he is, otherwise he never would have made the transistion he did. I could dig deeper but there is really no need to. If you feel CJ is worth what he is asking for and you feel the Rangers owe it to him then we disagree, plain and simple. I think the Rangers would disagree in what he is expecting otherwise we would have locked him up already. I think the perception is, we have a young staff and each of these guys is locked up for a while. If CJ is willing to back off what the initital asking price is, I am all for them signing him. I just do not feel he is worth that type of money. All the names you mentioned, are leaps and bounds of what CJ Wilson is and outside of Nolan Ryan, they all were successful in the playoffs as their respective teams ace. I am not basing any of this on the lack of playoff success CJ has had, this goes back to when CJ was a setup man and was allowing the first 3 hitters on base before deciding to pitch. CJ nibbles far to much for my liking. 0-2 without question you will see 3 waste pitches. Also unlike those you mentioned, 0-2 those guys go after hitters and do not get cute with the ball.
That’s one part of CJ, but there is another side of him that is a little arrogant. His mood varies all the time.
good call Kyle, I was said to not be a Rangers fan for stating what I saw after most of his starts this yr yet he was thrown into hall of fame status with some of the names he was compared to.
CJ will be great in a more pitcher-friendly park like Anaheim. He’s an OC boy too so I think he’ll fit in great on the Halos.
Oh Joe, there you go again, trying to create expensive logjams.
Hey, I saw you on Halo Heaven!! I’m keeping this (Fielder talk) out of Halo Heaven.. I have a feeling I’d be attacked for this…
Appropriately dude. But I’m a little more mellow over there as well. RACIST!
lol you, racist? NOO!
You know, I’ve disagreed with you on Fielder before, but the more I think about it, the more it IS possible the Halos could land him without going drastically over the $140 mil limit Moreno has supposedly set…
First, let’s say Fielder gets a contract with $23-24 mil/year average…it could easily be backloaded so that he maybe only gets $19 mil or so in 2012… Now, Angels still need at least one reliever and a back of the rotation starter…try to trade Izturis ($5 mil) for a reliever, and save a little money in the process…then, since there is now a logjam at 1st, trade Morales to a team willing to take a chance on him for pitching. Combine a short-term, team friendly extension with one of Kendrick or Aybar (as to avoid arbitration), and you could maybe pull it off for under $145 million in payroll total…
“as cocky as Lady Gaga’s mouth”
I don’t even..
I believe he will ultimately be an Angel by the end of all this. I think the Angels go max 5/85, maybe 90; similar to the Weaver contract. The Angels want him, and Wilson wants to be in Halo red!
I doubt it. The Angels have issues giving big contracts to people and I doubt that changes with a guy who only has 2 years under his belt as a starter or even a successful pitcher. But if the Angels are crazy enough to give 5/85 to what would be their 4th starter when they need offense, great. That way Texas can go get Buehrle, Oswalt, Jackson or hopefully some sort or combination of the 3. If not (which I don’t think LAA will) then CJ and Buehrle would look good at the top of a Texas rotation with Lewis, Holland, and Harrison.
The mystery team is the Cubs
Angel fans shouldn’t be too excited. Remember they were favorites for Carl Crawford too? Don’t expect much and you won’t be disappointed.
Many Angel fans don’t want him in the first place.
Or honestly don’t care one way or the other. Wilson is a good pitcher, and would help any rotation. But we’d be fine saving the money and picking up a #4 starter.
The Yankees who need pitching and have the money to sign him are shying away from him. That should throw up a red flag.
Maybe they are waiting till next years crop. Weve known all along Yankees have not been hot on Wilson
Actually they are cold on him. His agent wanted to visit with the Yanks and they turned him down. As I am a Yankee fan and I am operating under the assumption that Cashman has some knowledge he must have seen something he didn’t like. I thought the Mets should have made a run at him. Since they were never in the Reyes running, which I feel they should have tried, they knew that salary was coming off the books and he could fill a big hole in the rotation with Johan a question mark and Capuano leaving.
I just could not see CJ pitching for NY. LA makes a lot of sense if not in Tx.
That very well could be. Like I said, Cashman is always open to starting pitching and he turned down Wilson’s agent’s request to meet. For him to outright refuse to meet with a starter that he would not have to give up a player or prospect for is odd.
The Yankees aren’t going after anyone as of now. Does that mean that throws up a red flag for every FAs, especially the starting pitchers?
The Yanks actually turned him down when his agent wanted to meet with them. For a team hurting in the rotation that was the red flag to me. I thought they would listen to all startes
There judgement has been pretty suspect over the years. No sure that means anything. (See AJ Burnett)
You point to AJ Burnett who’s greatest concern was his health (look at his performance with the Jays) and then you ignore passing on Zito, Lackey, Santana, etc? Brilliant observation.
Not saying that the Yanks lack of interest in CJ should mean anything but your logic is off.
why should there be any concern over the yankees not going after someone. it is not like they make the wisest decisions anyhow. Burnett, Soriano, Igawa, Arod Extension, hell texeira was grossly overpaid and is now underperforming and can not hit in the playoffs.
At that time the AJ signing did not seem all the bad. Stuff wise he probably has the best stuff on the staff. Problem with him is his head. If he can get his head on straight he is a competent pitcher. For the Yankees to downright refuse to look at an accomplished starting pitcher to me is a red flag. They always seem interested in starters and with CJ they flat out refused his request to speak to them. That is not something Cashmen usually does unless he has a reason.
Again…nice to cherry pick a few moves and ignore the Sabathia, Granderson, Swisher and Martin moves. Tex also was still a top defensive 1b and slugger by the way. You’re acting as if he pulled a Crawford or Dunn last year.
I think Angels would be a nice spot for Wilson. Same division, faces dreadful Mariner and A’s offenses, and doesnt have the pressure of being “the guy” in the rotation. Just depends how much $
Angels need offense much more than they need pitching. They already arguably have the best 1-2-3 in the AL (Maybe only the Rays are debatable). Of course getting Wilson gets them a great 1-2-3-4, but there is no need for them to waste $15-$20 million for 5-6 years for something they don’t need.
Your Mets can certainly use someone like him though. Unless they really are relying on Johan Santana to return to his old form
“…for something they don’t need.”
Don’t quite know if that’s true. As the saying goes: you can never have enough pitching.
Except it’s not solely about the pitching. Money is Heavily involved. I know the Angels are no where near broke, but no need for them to waste a ton of money on Wilson.
The 2011 Phillies will tell you that isn’t necesarily so.
pitching wasn’t their problem. They get to Carpenter for anything they could be dancing. As well as if they could have gotten more off of a struggling Edwin jackson in game 4.
They need RH offense. But everyone needs pitching bro
good points but let CJ know he is not the guy and see what happens. He thinks his crap doesnt smell and it really rubs one the wrong way.
GO MYSTERY TEAM! The mystery team is my favorite baseball squadron.
What about the Ni Mets?
A rec for you sir. Err…I mean like.
yankees dont wany wilson because we would have to cut his hair and look clean like dapper dan.
The same reason why the Yanks don’t want Lincecum I presume?
Usually he looks pretty cleancut. Not sure what got into him in October.
The only thing worse than CJ Wilson returning to the Rangers is he lands with the Angels…remember Napoli….what goes around comes around.
Why would CJ returning to the Rangers be bad? The Rangers need a front line starter and he’s the best available. JD is no fool either, so if CJ returns to the Rangers that would mean he signs at a reasonable price. It’s just that I don’t see this happening. If it does happen, it would be one of the best case scenarios for the Rangers.
Agree that if Rangers can keep him without spending, fine, but he’s not an ace and if they can convert Feliz all the better. Plus, the look on Nolan Ryan’s face during the playoffs when CJ was rolling to 0-3, 5.79 ERA, 1.71 WHIP…I think he was having Robin Ventura flashbacks.
I would rather Buerhle at this point.
The Rangers are said to be among the final 5 teams vying fo Buehrle, so you might get your wish yet.
I think of Buerhle as a work horse and in our rotation he would fit nicely surround by Lewis and 3 other young guys. I think 6 yrs is absurd but I also think CJ over 70 million is absurd.
Buehrle over Wilson, but no six year deal for either one.
Heyman hears that the Rangers’ offer to Wilson is for about $60MM over four years. Frankly for that, I would be ok with CJ coming back.
I would not count on CJ to have the same effect.
Ya i think Nap would pound on Cj..Another reason why i wouldn’t want him
I thought this was all a ploy by Dipoto but it looks serious. Don’t count on them extending Santana if this deal goes through and also they might be scared of losing Haren next year as well. This deal makes sense when you look at next years Angels leaving via F/A. Dipoto assumes Richards will be ready by next year and he can afford to lose Haren or Santana. I see Santana being traded to the Yankees if this deal goes down and I hear the Yanks have a talented 3rd baseman, who is MLB ready that is stuck behind A-Rod. I see the Angels picking up a Kuroda or Edwin Jackson to fill the #4 spot. Solves your 3rd base problem, Yankees get Ervin, who they always wanted and we fall in under the salary cap Arte set in place.
I hope I am not right.
So who do the Yankees buy to play 3B when A-Rod can’t play 3B reliably after this season b/c he keeps getting hurt?
David Wright. Mets will ship him for prospects during the season.
who’s this talented, mlb-ready 3b prospect you speak of? bichette jr.?
Laird.
Laird is good with the glove but I think his hitting is suspect. I saw Bichette play in the minors. Kid has talent but he has a way to go to reach the bigs.
As a long-time Angels fan, I keep a tiny grain of salt close by during the winter. I think Wilson would be a great addition…with a 1-4 starting staff like that, plus perhaps shoring up the back of the bullpen, even a mediocre offense will win a lot of games. So, I could get pretty excited about…oh…wait…look…a grain of salt.
I still do not understand a guy at 31-15 with over a somewhere beyond a 3.00 ERA can demand such a payday. I hope LA lands him and the Rangers can stomp on his primadonna self. Never was and never will be a fan of the straightedge.
1: Citing W-L records is a horrible way to make a strong debate for a pitchers value.
2: ERA is also a horrible way to make a strong debate for a pitchers value.
His K/9 rate is above average as a starter, his walk rate dramatically improved last season, he kept the ball in the park despite playing in Texas (he was better on the road, however), and had a great 3.24 FIP, compared to his 2010 FIP of 3.56 despite having an increase of his BABIP, his SIERA was solid at 3.44, and has a combined 10.5 fWAR in his 2 years as a starter. He actually gained velocity in 2011 compared to 2010 also.
I understand why he’s tagged as overrated, I also tag him as such, but he’s not as overrated as most claim him to be. The guy is solid.
Could not have explained it better myself, but for most fans CJ will still be “the guy who choked in the postseason” and nothing more.
I think sometimes people forget that you have to play well in the regular season first before you can play October baseball. And CJ was great in the regular season. No AL team outside of the Tigers, Angels, and the Yankees can claim they had a better pitcher than CJ in 2011.
Just one word ….. Romo.
So, maybe the Rangers can just sign CJ to play through September?
All you Romo haters need to get a life. The man is a top 10 QB in the League. Again, get a life.
I have just never liked CJ, back to his relief days. SO maybe I am being very unfair towards him simply for a strong disliking.
You forgot about Bosox “Becket”.. Or Tampa’s “Shields” and Blue Jays “Romero”
Even though I’m an Angel fan and I was glad the Rangers choked in the WS again I think Wilson couldn’t handle the pressure of being the #1 guy. If the Angels sign him he’s be the #2 or 3 guy. Bottom Line he’ll have less pressure.
Even though I’m an Angel fan and I was glad the Rangers choked in the WS again I think Wilson couldn’t handle the pressure of being the #1 guy. If the Angels sign him he’s be the #2 or 3 guy. Bottom Line he’ll have less pressure.
I do not play the metrics game so to argue with your stats would be unjust. I do not follow those to the degree it seems you do. With that being said, I think the money being asked for is absurd. I think most of the money SP garner is absurd so to be fair to CJ I should mention that point. While his BB did decline, you see the steep increase in the playoffs and most importantly the World Series. I realize there is a long season that takes place before all of October and sometimes November. Frankly, I think Derek Holland will surpass what CJ Wilson has and will do. I think a rotation of Holland, Lewis, Harrison,Feliz/Ogando and possibly Buehrle is solid. While not the same group someone like Philly may have or even TB and perhaps even LA, but I do think its a pretty good group that gained more experience then it previously had.
He will end up with the Marlins and Pujols stays with the Cardinals.
I wouldn’t mind.
FORGET WILSON, TRADE FOR GUTHRIE (ABREU/IZZY) AND SIGN PRINCE FIELDER TO DH/1B WITH MARK TRUMBO
All offseason long with this. It isn’t going to happen due to K-Mo possibly coming back. Even if it is a long shot, it’s is still a high reward low risk long shot, especially with Trumbo and Navarro.
You’re right. FK the Angels and Arte Moreno.. I’m going to jump off a bridge
The Angels are doubtful to go six years on Wilson, though manager Mike Scioscia doesn’t seem concerned about contract length.
Ummmm.. why should people care what Mike Scoscia thinks in regards to signing a free agent?
Because it is believed that Mike runs the front office as well as the dugout. Keep up.
I’m well aware. The question above still stands.
Because of past history
Because of past history
Thank you Angels for having some logic… Jerry Dipoto is showing his influence already. I like the Iannetta trade and getting someone with even a little bit of usefulness for Mathis is a miracle. Now he’s letting it be know that CJ Wilson probably won’t get six years from the Angels.
I do like CJ Wilson, don’t get me wrong. But there’s no getting around his age and the fact that he’s only been starting in the big leagues for two years. With Jered Weaver accepting a hometown discount, I think it’s also set a precedent that no starter should get more per year than him on the Angels staff.
So CJ — while I am impressed by your stats, especially by the fact that you’ve been pitching in a hitter-friendly park your whole career, you will not be getting more than 5 yrs./75-80 mil from the Angels. If you want to be part of the AL’s best rotation, take it. If you want to get paid, which honestly I can’t blame you for, go to the Nats or the Marlins or the Yankees.
Dipoto is the best FO move any team has made all offseason.
Yankees have said there not interested in Wilson and Marlins are pretty much out. If the Nationals get Oswalt or Buehrle then there out. If the Marlins don’t get Pujols then there back in the running but I’d still think they’d get Buehrle. I think Oswalt will go to the Rangers so its down to the Angels and Nationals.
The Rangers are still very much in play for CJ. If JD wants him back, I have no doubt he’ll get him. Don’t be surprised to see CJ and one of Buehrle or Oswalt in a Rangers jersey next season.
blunts on me
I like blunts.. Actually, I like wax.. I’ll take vap hits off some Skywalker wax..
All I get from this talk is that teams are not sold on Wilson and that they doubt his ability to maintain a high level of performance
Welcome to the Halos, CJ!
That’s a fair price for CJ.
good for the Rangers. Thats all he is worth
hes def taking his talents to south beach
Ya for Hanley hahah, I wish.
Santana to the Jays for Mathis.
Ahhh all these rumors are getting quiet exciting as an Angels fan!
*quite
shhhhhhh
I’m assuming Santana for a 3B? It has to be…..
Without a doubt man, who knows, maybe Ervin Santana for Zimmerman. WITHOUT BORJOUS
eww no i don’t want to get rid of Ervin for Zimmerman..It has to be a beast and young 3B
Zimmerman is going on 27 and is a very productive hitter… i don’t know of many other 3rd baseman i’d rather have over the next few years. only one i’d take over him is Longoria, and that isn’t happening.
That’s the only guy i would like at 3rd Longo..But it’s obviously not going to happen..But signing a pitcher and getting rid of another..idk if Cj will even do what he has been doing..and Santi is cheap and personally think he is better than Cj…I’d rather sign Buerhle/Kuroda then if possible get A-ram for 2 yrs
whats up John haha hows college… If the Angels sign CJ Wilson then they could trade Macier Izturis and Ervin Santana for David Wright? What you guys think.
I would love this too.
Eyyyyyy wassup T-BALL! Aha and yeah dude, that makes sense. Wright would find his swing back again here in Anaheim (although it is a pitcher-friendly park), but idk, I think the Angels night still need to give up another pitcher
I would go crazy if this happened with excitement but I don’t think the Nats would do that.
It’ll be Philly
It’ll be Philly
Angels have to let go of Cj if he is going to be more than 15M a yr..They need to approach 1.Buerhle and 2nd option Kuroda..Last 2 pitchers left that can help this Rotation..
I’m extremely surprised that the Angels aren’t going after Kuroda. Not that I want them to get him.
The only way trading Santana makes sense is if it’s for a big slugger. It would have to be Santana plus Trumbo/Morales plus _________ for mongo offense guy. (This is, by the way, the only way the Pujols things makes any sense too.)
Our luck? We trade Santana and Trumbo, then miss out on Wilson and Pujols.
No team would be stupid enough to trade off players before they have their replacements signed.
Hi, Kyle. New to an Angels off-season?
Angels…maybe
Who would go 6 years anyways? Outside Nats (who don’t even like Wilson). Marlins?
I think CJ is well above average. I know you’re still mad at him for pitching poorly in the Series, but at some point we’re all going to have to get over it. What’s done is done. That being said, I agree that $80MM is too high.