THURSDAY: The Yankees are still in contact with Hiroki Kuroda, Roy Oswalt, and potential trade partners after discussing Jackson, tweets Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com.
12:16pm: Steinbrenner hasn't yet approved a significant payroll boost, Joel Sherman of the New York Post reports (all links go to Twitter). It would be a one-year deal or nothing if Jackson signs in New York, even though the Yankees' baseball operations staff likes the right-hander. It appears likely that the Yankees will sign a starter like Jackson, Hiroki Kuroda or Bartolo Colon in Sherman's view.
WEDNESDAY: It was one year ago this month that Yankees managing general partner Hal Steinbrenner and agent Scott Boras worked out the deal that brought Rafael Soriano to the Bronx against GM Brian Cashman's better judgment. Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com reports that Steinbrenner and Boras met again to discuss another free agent pitcher: Edwin Jackson. Steinbrenner told the agent he'll think about offering Jackson a deal.
Steinbrenner said at the November GM Meetings that he was "still a little concerned about [the] rotation." Though Cashman has since re-signed Freddy Garcia, he continues exploring the trade and free agent markets for rotation options. Yankees scouts like Jackson very much, but are more comfortable offering short-term deals, Heyman tweets.
Let’s do it
i feel sorry for cashman. i wouldn’t want these idiots overruling me
Cashman was the one who said he had to ask hal and hank for more money if hes going to get a deal done. whats wrong wtih them getting someone their self? I mean they got soriano last year, and yeah he started out bad but he settled down after he got back from the DL. Edwin Jackson is prob the final piece they need.
Because Hal doesn’t know a thing about baseball operations. If he thinks he knows better than Cashman (Which he doesn’t, Soriano was a terrible signing), he should just operate without a GM.
As for settling down, yeah, he settled down to “not terrible,” but Soriano didn’t come even remotely close to justifying his salary last year. The production they got from him could’ve been easily replaced by a non-tender or bringing up one of their minor leaguers.
Cashman was completely justified in panning that deal and honestly, he bought a lot of respect with baseball fans when he did.
Really? Because the guy Cashman signed away from the Mets worked out so well that he never threw a pitch. His reliever deal last offseason earned no respect here.
Feliciano was absolutely a terrible signing, but he’s also being paid a fraction of what Soriano’s getting. Soriano gets more annually than Feliciano was offered over the entire course of the deal.
Had he pitched, Feliciano may have been worth a few million, the problem with that deal was the second year.
who else thought george steinbrenner at the caption?
I think most of us know he’s dead.
I wasn’t paying attention and did think that. I thought is Boras using a ouiji board to get EJax signed?
I sure hope they checked the splits. EJack sucks against the AL East.
Not accurate. He pitched 3 games vs AL East guys last year and didn’t do well, but keep in mind, that 7 IP and 4 ER looks like a nasty 5.14 ER. If you look at 2009 and 2010 his #’s are much better.
NONONOONONONONONONONONO Yankee ownership needs to stop meddling! Soriano, A-Rod extension, all the terrible George Steinbrenner signings! When will these people learn!
When they stop owning the team they’ll probably learn.
Dude, calm down.
and them signing soriano didnt turn out to bad after all, when he got back from the DL. plus its their team anyway. and cashman was the one saying if he could get more money from the steinbrenners hed go after a pitcher. looks like their taking care of it them selves
He was no where worth the 12 mil he is owed to just set up. That is the salary Koroda will likely get to start. Plus that 12 mil looks more like 17 mil with the luxury cap when a guy getting paid 500k pitched better (DRob and Wade)
Actually, he was barely even used to set up. Once he came back from the DL, he was mostly used as middle relief, appearing in the seventh more often than not.
The fact that Boras is speaking to the Steinbrenners says a lot and it’s alllllllll bad.
You’ve always got the hope that maybe the Steinbrenners have learned their lesson after negotiating the A-Rod and Soriano deals, both of which have looked terrible since, without Cashman.
I think if Mo teaches Jackson that cutter he can be a better pitcher, he has a great arm just his fastball does not move much.
I’m sure if Mo could teach any pitcher that cutter they would be a better pitcher. Heck if Mo taught me that cutter I would be a better pitcher
That cutter actually worked for Hughes and Robertson, Kerry wood also.
he needs to give Hughes more lessons and AJ should sit in and get some schooling too.
At the all star game a few years back, Mo was give halladay tips..
you know you’re awesome when roy halladay asks you for pitching tips
He taught it to Robertson, look what he did last year.
If Steinbrenner is going to talk to agents about players, what exactly is Cashman there for? If the Yankees GM doesn’t want a player because it hurts the team, doesn’t ownership pay him to make those decisions? Once owners become involved and go over the GM’s head, disaster strikes, but then again, it is the owners paying the bills. The ghost of George lives on in his sons. They were all idiots and destroyed the salary structure for players forever. Players now believe they are worth ten times their worth and many GM’s don’t have the spine to let them rot on the sidelines until sanity is preserved. Young fans believe huge deals are normal now, when twenty years ago the insane contracts didn’t exist and contracts that ran more than 3 years were the exception, not the rule. Ten years from now, teams will just offer thirty year contracts for a billion dollars and fans will say, gee that is a bargain. lol
actually he dont think it will hurt the team, he said a couple weeks ago if they would give him more money to spend he would go out and sign one of the pitchers. so in a way their doing it their selves
Would like to see the Yankees sign Jackson on something around 2/25 contract. Maybe they can next try and trade Burnett and have a rotation of CC, E-Jax, Nova, Garcia, and Hughes with Noesi, Phelps, Warren and eventually Betances and Banuelos being the backup starters in case of an injury or maybe Hughes, Nova, or Garcia really suck.
They should of passed on Garcia and just signed Buehrle….a rotation of
CC
Buehrle
Nova
Aj
Hughes…would of been good
Dude, it doesn’t matter who the Yankees do or don’t sign. You saw how bad the rotation was last year and all the problems everybody was talking about, yet they still won the East by 5 or 6 games.
that is for sure, but hurt us in the playoffs. the offense wasnt the real issue it was the starters as with your rangers it was the bullpen who blew the world series for you guys. yet our teams seem to figure they should bolster what doesnt need fixing. I really thought the rangers would have traded for bailey. it is kind of exciting going to ranger games, i have experienced great ranger fans and then the horrible ones who like to throw things at other fans. but i guess really every team has fans like that. bright side no onehas fans as bad as the dodger fans lol
When are people going to realize that short series are random. The best teams don’t win as often when the playoffs are expanded into 3 short series, it comes down to the team that gets hot at the end. Best teams on paper last year- Phillies and Sox. Best teams by records Yanks and Phillies. Cards win last year and Giants the year before.
the offense is exactly what killed the Yankees in the alds. the only one who batted well was Posada. their pitching was ok enough to keep them in the game.
Gardner, Cano and Granderson all OPS’d over .900 in the ALDS. The Tigers only had one player with more than 15 AB to OPS over .900. As a squad, the Yankees OPS’ed .749 to the Tigers’ .690.
You can’t look at from the standpoint of the entire series.
People say our offense is great and it is but man…..they seem to score 12 runs in one game and then 2 in the next. In the series vs the Tigers…
1st game: 9-3 win
2nd game: 5-3 loss vs Scherzer
3rd game: 5-4 loss vs Verlander
4th game: 10-1 win
5th game: 3-2 loss vs Fister
In total, an avg of 28 runs in 5 games looks impressive as it works out to 5.3 per game. However, it really works out to 9.5 in 2 games and 3 runs per game in the other 3. And in the two wins, 12 of their 19 runs came in 2 innings (6 in 1 inning twice).
I’d assume that most offenses have that sort of deviation except that the yankees offense is a bit better so when they have a good game they end up scoring 9 or 10.
The key here is that the Yankees gave up five runs in two of those games. That’s a pitching problem.
One can easily blame the game five loss on offense, the Yankees should be able to get four runs. The second and third game, though? Six runs is a tall order most of the time, especially when one of those games is against Verlander.
You saw how bad the rotation was last year and all the problems, they were top ten in most pitching catergories last year so i cant say i saw how bad they were
The rotation was 3rd in the AL last year, their best rotation in years. Check the stats.
Freddy Garcia had a career year at 34 and he’ll be 35 next year. He also hasn’t been able to top 150 innings in over five seasons now. Banking on him to repeat is nuts.
Colon is gone and even if he comes back, he’s basically in the same boat as Garcia.
Burnett is Burnett. Enough said on that count.
Nova was solid, but he’s basically a middle to back of the rotation starter. Either way, that still only gives the Yankees two viable starters.
They absolutely have a problem in their rotation.
I’m pretty sure Freddy had his career year in 01,04 when he was a 5WAR pitcher. All he has to do is repeat his xFip of low/mid 4 again, which he has done for three years now. I don’t think that’s nuts.
I don’t think you understand how FIP works. FIP is not a translation of actual results, it’s a predictive stats. Said predictive stats says his peripherals last year say he played over his head. He’s going to be 35, his BB/9 and K/9 were both worse than his career average, his HR/FB was below normal and his LOB% was way high.
He’s worth a ST invite and a chance to battle for a rotation spot, but hedging one’s bets on him repeating on 2011’s ERA when his peripherals and the preceding four years all peg him as a below average pitcher is insane.
The Yankees need more pitching and retaining Freddy Garcia doesn’t change that.
They will always coast through the regular season with that lineup but won’t do squat until they fix the pitching staff. It’s ok but nowdays the elite teams are loading up with 2-4 aces, New York still has one. No one is out there as a free agent who will make a huge difference other than Kuroda, who is not an ace but a very strong pitcher who was not yet challenged in the AL.
boras usually hammers someone in the offseason and prob looking save face after madson deal. there is no way he gets only 2 years
The minimum Jackson’s camp would accept I think would be 3 years. Not the worst thing, but my preference would be to steer clear.
Oh yeah, also, let Cashman do his job. As much as I like Hal, Cashman is the smartest person in that brass. Trust him.
You have to think Cashman is hammering those 2 brothers that jackson isn’t even near the same class as several pitchers who may be coming up next off season and they need to back off, let him do his job.
Why a Steinbrenner (pick one) has to constantly meddle over the people they hire has to get irritating.
remember when “Stick” Michael was GM of the NYY? He would get furious with George for his meddling.
Jackson is an awkward pitcher, he’s a pitcher who wants a lot of money and years, but he’s only slightly above average… that being said, the Yankees and Red Sox are both desperate.
Both desperate yes, but it’s going to take Steinbrenner interfering to get more than three years out of the Yankees and I don’t see the Sox being interested.
Breaking News: Edwin Jackson to sign with the Yankees a 5 year $75mil dollars contract with opt-out clauses after the first and second year and a full no trade clause.
Brought to you by your beloved Steinbrenner and Co.
All joking aside, I can see Boras getting his way once again.
when garza could be had for 2 0f the big 3 and you go and offer jackson 3/39 4/48 puke.
The Yankees have money. Why give up talent when they can just give up money.
Over the last 3 years, Jackson and Garza are very comparable. Don’t just look at 2011.
i just think garza hasnt reached his peak and jackson has.
based on?
fluff..
jackson’s so underrated.
I like Jackson’s K/9 6.67 and bb/9, with 199 innings pitched. I think he could do well with the Yanks, 3/36.
make that 2/24 and we’re golden.
I think this the the Alaska effect. The hot chick in Alaska is only hot because the other 2 are terrible. There are no really good name FAs and now EJax is looking good. Dont do it. Montero looks like a beast-to-be, but if they are not going to let him catch, what is he here for? Tex isn’t going anywhere, so first is out. They should let him rake in spring training and then trade him before he can bring his value down, maybe in a deal for Cain, the Giants need all the offense they can get. Leave EJax alone.
My prediction Ejax sign with bombers for 3yr @ 39 mil.
I’d prefer Kuroda in the rotation and Colon in the pen …….. Jackson is too much like AJ.
Stuffwise maybe, but I don’t see Jackson taking the same route. I’m of the belief that a lot of what’s gone wrong with Burnett is simply general fatigue combined with pressure cooker syndrome.
Burnett was decent in 2009, hard to debate that. He was never the number two they signed him to be, but he was at least a guy who would go out there and keep you in the game most of the time.
Conversely, 2009 was a first for Burnett, at 32 years old it was the first time in his entire eleven year career that he had thrown more than 175 innings in consecutive seasons. Frankly, I think he just couldn’t handle the load after so many years of not finishing a season healthy. If I’m correct, he may’ve simply been worn down in 2010 and it got in his head. I’m not sure he’ll ever be the same (He’s 35 now and suddenly turning it around isn’t the odds on thing to happen).
Jackson is two things Burnett never was with the Yankees: a workhorse and young. Burnett was 32 for his first season in NY, Jackson is barely 28. Jackson’s thrown more 175+ IP seasons so far than Burnett had when he signed with the Yankees nearly a full four years older.
Overpaying for him would be a bad idea, but if they could get him on a three year deal, the Yankees should jump at the opportunity. All he’ll cost is money and that number two starter they need isn’t walking through the door right now. At least if they got him on a three year deal, he’d be out the door before his decline years.
I’d prefer Kuroda, if he’s willing to come to New York. That being said, with the question marks in our rotation (Hughes, Burnett) and the only other Major League ready option right now being Freddy Garcia, we need another starter. If Hughes returns to his 2010 first half form, we’re fine. That’s a solid top 3 with CC, Nova who I think only gets better from here, and Hughes.
Boras is behind the 8-ball again with Jackson.. He cannot sign a 1 year deal with so many potential starters next year far better than him and he already has lost respect with Madson, probably Fielder with his dragging negotiations out for that last shiny dime.. How much good has it done?
Boras has now the SP market not only settle, but pretty much get nearly completed and now he is in hot water here.
I see desperate times in the near future with Fielder, Pena and even Jackson.. He either signs some short term (2 w/club option) deal, or is stuck with a 1 year and has to compete against the likes of Hamels, Cain, Grienke, maybe even Sanchez that Jackson will not stack up well at all against.
Could be a replay of his bungling of the reliever/1b market all over again…
One issue I take with this is that the SP market never really did settle this year. Buehrle and Wilson may have signed ages ago, but Kuroda and Oswalt are still out there. The market this year was extremely thin and the demand is still high.
Boras has absolutely waited too long on Fielder and Pena, but he could probably still extract an overpay from someone on Jackson. He’d better get to work now on it, but it’s still an outside shot.
Maybe I got a bit of a jump by seeing now that Kuroda got 1/10m when get this reply notice here, but my reasons were that most everyone knew that Oswalt and Kuroda were going to get 1 year deals even before Kuroda signed. Oswalt is going to wind up with a 1year deal and was seeking one before and this low 10m figure that Kuroda ended up getting is not going to endear Boras/Jackson, nor help them any as I see them getting possibly less than that figure now even.
I think Boras fails to read the market when it is bad. he sees the market as continual all the time and never adjusts, thinking it is constant like owners always have the same amount of money and his bluster will always make them fork over whatever his talk can.
The problem is that only sometimes are General managers able to get into an owners pockets deep enough before the owners themselves say enough. They are not going to be able to do it at this time. Boras just keeps on playing that silly game, year after year, never taking the real market outside of baseball into consideration.
I appreciate you as being one of the 1st here to take a look at that factor.
So Sherman says the Yanks will sign Jackson, Kuroda, or Colon?
That’s like me saying I’ll buy either a Mustang, a Charger, or a rusted out 1996 Saturn.
Just sign Oswalt dammit! You know, if he’s willing and all that. Seriously, it’s a perfect fit! He wants a one year deal so he won’t block any of the B’s and whoever else the Yanks have in the future, I’d be willing to bet that he has the best 2012 of any starter left on the market, and they’d be free to try and sign one of the marquee SP’s in FA in 2013 because Oswalt’s deal will be over. Worst case scenario is he gets hurt, you lose some money (something the Yanks aren’t short on), and you have to replace him with Burnett or Hughes or whoever would hypothetically become the 6th starter if Oswalt signed.
I’m not a big Edwin Jackson fan. I can see him turning into the black AJ Burnett more or less.
What happened to this being cashman’s show?