The Angels plan to make a run at trading for Brewers starter Zack Greinke if the right-hander becomes available prior to the trade deadline, according to Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com.
The Orioles, Rangers and Braves are also thought to be interested in dealing for Greinke, the 2009 American League Cy Young Award winner, although a person close to Greinke said that the Halos are a "perfect fit."
The Angels lavished huge contracts on Albert Pujols and C.J. Wilson this offseason, but they may have payroll flexibility for 2013 with club options on right-handers Dan Haren and Ervin Santana, the latter of which is expected to be declined barring a "major turnaround," according to Heyman.
The Brewers entered the break with a record of 40-45, eight games back in the NL Central and six back for one of two Wild Card spots. They've not yet decided whether they're sellers and will apparently use the first week or two after the All-Star break to sort that out.
Brewers cornerstone Ryan Braun, for his part, wants to convince management to retain Greinke, according to Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com (via Twitter): "Realistically, we're still in this thing."
No speculation on what the Angels would have to give up in trade? Do they have anywhere near enough talent to give the Brewers?
Almost certainly Segura, I suspect Bourjos is a prime candidate, perhaps a couple pitching guys (Cassevah, Richards, etc.). Maybe Cron/Cowart attract a little attention as well
Brewers probably don’t need Bourjos; he’s basically Carlos Gomez and the system has enough OF. I would think Segura + pitcher + corner OF (Cron would be a good fit except he’s not tradeable yet, is he?)
Brewers won’t get a Top 50 prospect plus two others for Grienke without him signing an extension. Seeing as there’s no compensation you’re looking at a close to the majors top 50 prospect and that’s it. Segura for Grienke straight up.
It’s a sellers market though. The Brewers can ask whatever they want, doesn’t mean the Angels would give it though. They’d play along just long enough to make sure somebody like Texas, Boston or New York would though.
Is Segura a top 50 prospect? It seems like the consensus is he can’t play SS in the majors and his offensive numbers aren’t that amazing for a 22-y/o in AA. He’s not the caliber of prospect that gets you Greinke in a 1-for-1 trade.
Maybe somebody can get the Angels GM as drunk as he was when he made that Vernon Wells trade and we can do Greinke for Mike Trout, 1-for-1.
For Trout??? Have you lost your mind??? Besides, that GM is gone.
That GM was already fired based on that trade. The new GM is quite good (please see Frieri trade, other notable signings in offseason, and releasing Abreu).
Yes, Jean Segura is a top 50 prospect, and yes, he can play SS at the major league level. He’s got a plus arm and range, he’s just not very smooth out there (yet). But yes, scouts are correct in that he’d be better suited for 2B because it’s a less demanding position.
As far as the numbers go, they only tell pat of the story. He’s hitting in the most difficult offensive league on the planet in the most pitcher friendly park in the league with absolutely no protection around him. He’s got Jose Reyes type of upsdie but will more than likely be a .280-15 HR-30 SB type of shortstop.
For 6 years of that, it better be enough to get 2 months of Grienke lol.
HAHAHA, no scout thinks he’s going to stick at short, nor is he a top 50 prospect.
Marc Hulet had him at 91 this offseason, and says his value is static, so definitely hasn’t moved up the list at all.
fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/reviewing-the-top-10…
Sickels dropped him from 66 to 78, which isn’t much, but means he essentially thinks the same; he’s static.
If Milwaukee somehow agreed to a package headlined by Segura, you just stole away a top 5 pitcher at the deadline.
baseball america has him at 43 as of a week ago, up from 55 preseason
Not the same GM that traded for wells
Segura is a stud. Selected to futures game. His ranking is down because he has dealt with nagging injuries for the past two years, but he’s only 20 and is playing very well. He also had a big spring training. He’s a year away from being ready. But he hits with power and is a quality defender.
if he was drafted this year he cant be traded yet but he can be traded as a player to be named later
Gomez is nowhere near the talent of Bourjos, who lead the league with triples last year and hit .271. Bourjos has tremendous upside.
they have Peter Bourjos, Jean Segura, C.J. Cron, and Kaleb Cowart all of whom may be of interest. Maybe two from that list with other lower prospects should get it done.
Of course the Angels have talent to trade. The so-called experts keep denigrating their system, but that system just produced Trout, Trumbo and Bourjos… and there are a lot more high end prospects where that came from. How ’bout Segura, CJ Cron and Cowert? Hank Conger is a very attractive catcher nearly ready. The Angels could also include talent off the major league roster that could include Santana, allowing Milwaukee to pick up his option. Relief pitchers with big arms and large potential include Walden and Jepsen.
They have enough talent and there will be plenty of suitors wanting to jump on the Zack Grienke conversation, so his price will be pretty high. I’m thinking you’d most certainly have to give up 2 top prospects for Zack considering he projects to be a type A free agent in Free Agency. Im thinking Jean Segura, Johnny Hellweg, and Kevin Jepsen for Grienke.
The conversation probably starts and ends with Jean Segura. Without compensatory draft picks, I don’t like the idea of renting a player so much anymore.
Segura and Izturis for Grieke. Boom Boom Boom
That would definitely get you Marcum… and his injured shoulder.
Oh, but you can keep Izturis as well.
they are just saying this to up the value and make the rangers give more to acquire him
rangers want Hamels more then they want greinke. either way their going to be two month rentals
i dont trust grienke in the playoffs
Might as well trade Bourjos. He needs to play regularly to see if he’s worthy
Brewers already have too many OF’s though with Braun, Hart, Gomez, Morgan and Aoki.
only one of those players is better than bourjos.. I’ll let you guess which
Plus Hart is playing 1b
are you kidding me Corey Hart is 100 times better than Peter Bourjos… Norichika Aoki is on a 13 game hit streak and is about exactly as good as Bourjos and I’d rather have Gomez the fastest player in the MLB rather than Bourjos based on the fact that late last month Gomez got a walk off steal…….
Corey Hart and Ryan Braun is two, not one.
Braun > Hart > Aoki > Gomez = Bourjos
Seriously, Gomez and Bourjos as indistinguishable.
say bye bye to trout and trumbo lol. because you know damn well the brewers are going to want them both.
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You’re doing it wrong. Tell him to invest in ours, when it’s really just a lemonade stand.
I always liked “I have some swamp land in Florida to sell you.”
so good
You must be new to watching baseball
Mike Trout for Greinke? 😉
Brewers need and want SP. Not SP prospect. Big leaugue pitching or Major-ready pitching. So Segura can’t be main piece. Richards is not enough. So deal can’t be done
I would not trade 5 or 6 years of richards for 3 months of greinke straight up. Talk about over valuing guys
we want to stay competitive and we are fairly solid in the majors at most positions, we need an MLB ready SS very badly plus pitching
this segura dude play SS?
He can play SS as in stand there.
Nah, he’s a relief pitcher. What you guys really want is an up and coming young 1B type to replace Fielder…Paul McAnulty is your man.
He can play SS, it is questionable if he is near MLB ready though.
I’m thinking Segura and Cowart would be pretty attractive for the Brewers. That could be their left side of the infield of the future. IMO Cron has less value for the brewers because of Hunter Morris.
No way they get both. 2 months of what is about to be a 20mm a year pitcher with NO compensation. I am not even sure they get a top 50 prospect.
Well I guess its good for the Brewers that neither one of those guys are in the top 50 according to Baseball America.
Stop nitpicking, you will get Bobby Wilson and cash and be happy. If you keep being fresh, you will get Takahashi.
I’m not nitpicking. Its not my fault you are overvaluing your team’s prospects. To say that you will only have Greinke for 2 months is ridiculous. We all know your team will easily be able to resign him. You get your third ace and the Brewers get two good prospects.
Every publication outside of baseball America (ESPN, Prospects, Fangraphs) has Segura as a top 50 guy and Cowart as a top 100.
baseball america has him at 43
That’s a clown answer, bro.
“You blue me away.”
Jean Segura is #43 actually. I fhe weren’t in the most pitching friendly park in a pitcher friendly league you could rest assured he’d be a top 30. Brewers would be extremely lucky if they got him 1 for 1. Don’t see it happening.
i wouldnt trust greinke in LA
Explain…
I see Ryan Braun requesting a trade later on his contract.
Braun is the one that wanted to sign the second extension to stay in Milwaukee, so I doubt it. He’s not lacking in confidence, so I’m pretty sure he felt he was going to be leaving a good chunk of cash on the table in the process. Attanasio has shown he will spend money to try and keep his team competitive – that’s all any player can ask of their owner.
As an Angel fan, I’ll believe this rumor has any substance only when the JeDi denies it.
The Force is strong with this one. LOL!
Tell that to the Padres who are still wondering why they traded Ernesto…
Trumbo is a local guy and a fan favorite. Arte and Jerry would be run out of town if they traded Trumbo. Especially after the Napoli debacle.
… a Napoli debacle where I’m actually more frustrated with the fans than the front office. Napoli had a great second half in 2011, something he’s done before with the Angels in shorter bursts, and now he’s right back to the old Napoli, even in one of the most hitter friendly parks in baseball. The Napoli debacle was created by hype that Angels fans actually believed. I knew Napoli would fall right back into the .230’s and not drive in runs consistently, which was all he did with the Angels. I’m glad they traded him then, and I’m still glad.
I think it’s probably more accurate to name it the Wells debacle and not the Napoli debacle. I agree Naps overachieved last year and should have been traded (way differently), but I don’t believe for a second you’re happy about the return. I’m not playing I have a crystal ball guy either, I’m talking strictly about the salary we took on. I’ll be honest and actually believed Wells would be productive when the trade took place, but NEVER liked the contract.
I would say you are right. If we had gotten a decent return nobody would have cared. What we got was a vastly overpaid declining player. It was a bad move. Thats why fans were upset. If reagins had 20 million a year to spend, he should have given it to beltre.
Please. No way in hell Trumbo is going anywhere for anyone. The meat of the offense this year? Greinke is no real upgrade anyway, especially as a rental. And if an extension is required, another minimum 25M for two years of work from, following the rotation, a #4 pitcher? No thanks.
A #4 pitcher? In that case just send the brewers a couple of career AAAA a guys and we’ll call it a deal.
He is actually at best a 3 or at worst a 4. He is not better than Weaver or Wilson and it is arguable whether or not he is better than Haren (who was pretty consistent when healthy).
rangers would never let this happen…in fact i wouldnt be surprised if the rumor was started by the brewers
I wouldn’t be surprised if it were started by the Halos. Let Texas overpay for a 2 month rental.
and win the division and make it to the world series..again.
and lose again!!!!
The Rangers don’t have that much clout on the market yet, especially when it comes to top starting pitchers; even after two straight pennants, Darvish, Nathan, and Oswalt are the best they can do. If the Rangers were to actually land him, chances are the Angels still get in front of the line in the offseason. The Angels always have and always will have the advantage over the Rangers when it comes to signing starting pitching.
this isn’t about next year. its about this year..
and when we are talking about moving prospects, rangers could trump any package the angels put together.
Just like they didn’t let us sign CJ…
free agency and trade are a bit different.
I dont think this would ever happen with the Angels…. Texas would outbid the Angels if they got wind of something like that happening. And you know the Brewers would try to get Texas and all of there prospects involved… The question is – Would Texas go for broke and trade for both Greinke and Hamels (YIKES)???
I hear there’s about 28 other teams “interested” in acquiring Zach Greinke, depending on the price.
No way in hell trout or trumbo will be part of any trades for greinke.I honestly think we don’t Need greinke in the angels he isn’t a very confident pitcher, if we do trade I would much rather give up cohoun and Santana Segura is our 2nd baseman if Kendrick doesn’t cut it for us any more.
Are the Angels trying to become the Phillies of the AL and have an ace 1-5? Holy cow! Do they really need Weaver, Haren, Wilson and Grienke?
Haren’s not exactly ballin’ right now, and he just went on the DL. Weaver and Wilson are pretty much the only really good, consistent pitchers in their rotation currently, after that, there’s the injured Haren, erratic Santana, Richards, who has proven he can handle mediocre to average lineups but nothing more right now, and Jerome Williams, who’s just about to come off the DL.
So yeah, big surprise! The Angel’s biggest need isn’t offensive help, our bullpen help, they need starting pitching.
Good luck to your team on getting the Pitching help they need. Big fan of Trout and Trumbo, you guys got it going on right now.
But if Haren can return from the DL with his back rested, like Weaver did, then that rotation would be deadly.
You have to wonder why the Brewers want to trade Greinke. He’s an ace. I read that he has anxiety disorder and is best suited for small markets. (see “Fear Strikes Out with Anthony Perkins)
1) We’re not doing well this year.
2) It’s a contract year for Greinke.
3) We can’t afford to sign him to an extension or as a free agent.
Three perfectly legitimate reasons for us to want to trade Greinke. I’d hate to see him go, but I’d hate to see him go for just a couple of picks in the offseason more. Trading him is the best route at this point in time.
brewers get: Trout and Trumbo.
Angels get; Zach Greinke Corey hart Nyjer Morgan george kottares and k rod
Somebody stayed at the bar after happy hour ended!
Brewers Get: Trout and Trumbo
Angels get: Zack Grenike Corey hart K Rod George kottares and nyjer morgan
Did you forget that Reagins is gone?
AHAHAHAHAHAHAH. WOW. If you wanted Trout you’d have to give up your entire 40 man roster, stadium, and the city of Milwaukee.
And Bob Uecker, of course.
It is comical and funny how every team (just about) fans think they can swipe Trout for nothing.
The one above even thinks they can package the awful and overpaid Hart, with a 33% k rate who can’t even hit, a discard catcher and the social leper Morgan and get Anaheim to send them Trout AND Trum-Bomb? THAT is probably the worst trade roposal have seen here in at least a year.. Brewers basically lose absolutely nothing and gain a total of 11 years of controlability on 2 of the brightest young stars in the game. It is beyond belief anyone could dream of such a proposal.
I’m a Brewers fan, and I’m not silly enough to think that would even come close to getting Trout, much less Trumbo in addition. Sorry buddy, Trout is more than a pipe dream. That just won’t happen.
You would have to clone Robin Yount to even keep Dipoto on the phone
As a Ranger fan, I would be all for the Angels getting Greinke for Trout and Trumbo ;). Not gonna happen obviously.
Bourjos will have to be included and really just makes the most sense. Hellweg, Cowart, Schugel, and Calhoun are all interesting as well.
Im a die hard angels fan, I like Greinke but, the question is… do the Angels really NEED him? Especially as a rental? Simply put, NO, but he would be an upgrade over our 3-5 starters… I dont know whats been going on with Haren, even before he was hurt… Santana is an up and down player with lights out stuff when he is on… which he hasn’t been on at all with the exception of one or maybe two starts this year. Jerome and Richards have been solid at the #5, can you really ask for anything better out of your #5 slot?
So what I am thinking… is exactly what some of you stated above, their trying to drive the asking price up (brewers fans you can thank us when Texas or any other team overpays) or they are seriously looking to win this year. I would rather see Peter traded with Wells/Hunter and Izzy maybe even + for a high end bullpen piece and prospect arms to any team that would go for that package. Our OF is crowded… too crowded still. Trout/Trumbo are a lock in CF/LF that leaves RF open for next year, if we can find away to get rid of 20mil worth of garbage… Justin Upton/Quinton please?
All that I said is just speculation, but having 5 aces on your team, expensive at that.. would it be worth it to trade our less costly, valuable players? (YES SANTANA, he could be an Ace ie… if he was on the Royals, this year he is far from it tho..)
Not as a rental. If we make the trade it has to be with him signing an extension. With that done we can opt out of the expensive options for Haren and santana anf try to bring them back at a reasonable price. If one doesn’t resign, there is still Richards, Williams, and Mills to fill the no 5 spot. This is a good plan that would leave us an even more formidable rotation.
Richards, Segura, and Cron get this deal done. Halo’s then move Santana to the bullpen and subsequently win the WS.
The Angels aren’t players in any deal for Greinke. It is Texas, Atlanta and Baltimore. Watch out for the Dodgers as a late player for him. They are one of the few teams that can sign him long term.
Angels can sign him long-term. Believe it or not, they still have money they can spend. They also have the prospects to get him. Segura + Richards + Cron for Greinke?
Trading Cron would be a mistake. The guy can bash. better to trade Kendys and put Cron in his place. Richards is going to be an Ace and there is no way I’d trade that kid. His stuff is electric
Seems to me 99% of Angel fans here forget that Santana at best is a 50/50 pitcher prior to the break throughout his career. He has been lights out after the break throughout his career though. Now is not the time to sell him and no prospect is worth a 3 month rental in Greinke. The Angels depth is not loaded and the future needs to be thought of. Only real prize prospect the halos can part with is Cron as he is blocked at 1B. Segura has future value to the club if/when Callaspo and or Izturis are gone. The only upgrade I think this team needs is in the bullpen and that won’t be nearly as costly as an ace type starter.
Now Dan Haren’s second-half stats on the other hand…..
Greinke’s numbers would be vastly improved if he had any infield defense behind him. Last year the Brewers had MLB’s worst infield defense in history. Worst fielding 3b, third worst SS, third worst 2B, and worst fielding 1B in all of baseball. Many, many easy DPs were blown, Fielder at first did a very good Adam Dunn impression on any throw near the dirt or slightly off the mark. Top that off with a 2nd year catcher and you can easily see why Greinke’s numbers were remarkable considering the defense he had behind him.
I have to say this, from reading all the comments here. I never thought I would find a fanbase that valued their prospects more than the Braves fanbase, but here they are. Really? Segura straight up for Greinke? You’ve got to be kidding me. Segura would be a start, but it’s gonna take more than that, without a doubt. If Segura straight up for Greinke is best the Angels are willing to offer, Doug Melvin should hang up very quickly.
If this was just a rumor started to drive up the price for the Rangers, then so be it. So much the better for the Brewers. But if the Angels are seriously interested, they’re gonna have to do better than Segura straight up for Greinke. The two comp picks we’d get from him leaving via free agency are worth more than Segura.
I don’t think anyone would expect segura to be enough. While I’m not sure what the Brewers need, I can think of several attractive combinations, none of which will include trout or trumbo. Bourjos would be possible but he would have to be a centerpiece. Bourjos & Segura and perhaps a lesser talent?
I’m sure Kendrys Morales could be had if you needed a left handed bat. The only pitcher we would likely deal is Mills, I don’t think Richards would be offered. Thinking about it, Id offer Morales, Calhoun, and Segura. Id toss in VW and even give you 75% of his remaining salary as well if you needed an outfielder. Take VW entire contract and you can have Bourjos with him.
see the thing is, and this is hard as an Angels fan like me, but apparently the Brewers don’t need OF’s. so throw Bourjos, Calhoun, and yes any Wells dreams out the window.
i would think that Richards and Segura/Romine is the start. we got brad mills for jeff mathis… i mean unless mills is just an additional player to the two already included, he probably wouldn’t generate too much interest.
greinke would be awesome in an angels jersey, but we would definitely need to dump salary in order to get him. maybe prospects and Santana for the swap… just a thought. I don’t see us picking up Santana’s option unless he really turns it around.
In two years Richards will be as good as grienke. That would be foolish
he does have very good stuff, and I know he’s young, but I just see inconsistency in his future.
honestly, i don’t think we’re real suitors for Greinke b/c of payroll reasons and also i just don’t know if we have the pieces they want.
so, we’ll probably stick with what we got. I just really don’t like how many batters Richards is walking… he gets runners on and then his 97+ mph fastball gets hit for a 2 or 3 run HR. hopefully i’m wrong
Richards won’t be traded. His stuff is too good. That would be a big mistake
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The same. I have been posting there for several years now
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Wells can’t be trade he has a no trade Claus, unless I’ve read wrong
He can wave and might if the choice is play with the brewers or sit in Anaheim
Any three of Segura, CJ Cron, Calhoun (since they are all blocked) Mills, Lindsay if they can get an extension on Greinke….less if he is just a rental… no Bourjos or Richards……
I think you are right that this is all about driving up the price for the Rangers; although, I don’t think they’re interested in him due to his mental issues.
Gone are the days of pulling in huge hauls for rental players. The Brewers shouldn’t expect a package of more than Jean Segura and Taylor Lindsay, or maybe Jean Segura and CJ Cron.
If, as they say someone very close to Greinke thinks he would like to play in Anaheim, thenwe could just wait and sign him as a free agent. Thats possible too.
I like the idea of getting Greinke a lot, he would def help our rotation and easily make ours the best in baseball. I see a package of either Segura or Romine plus Morales and probably another prospect Pitcher, i think CJ Cron would also be a good trade chip for Greinke. I think Greinke or Hamels will both sign extensions with the Angels, i don’t see them leavin after a year but if it were for a rental i wouldn’t like the trade at all but I do see Greinke stayin long term if we had the payroll.
Since we have Aybar and Kendrick locked up, trading Segura or Romine won’t hurt us too much and we do have Pujols now plus Trumbo who can play first so Morales or Cj Cron or both would help the loss of Prince Fielder. Throw in maybe Mills or even Walden since he pretty much have lost his role would pretty much be enough for this trade I think but no matter what happens we need to get rid of Vernon Wells.
LETS GO ANGELS!
I’ll again state my preference for keeping Greinke, and collecting the draft picks, over giving him away in just about all of the lackluster trade scenarios laid out here.
If they don’t get a Top 50 guy (preferably a SS) and another couple of guys that their scouts really like, and can see contributing to the big league club in a couple of years… not worth it. It is a seller’s market, and sellers will be the ones losing compensation picks, so don’t automatically expect asking prices to go down. They won’t.
I think a serious offer for Greinke would include Segura and a youngish bullpen arm like David Carpenter. Brewers have some young starting pitching that’s close, and they’ll have plenty of available room to shop for one in the market this winter. But the bullpen is thin and they lack options in the minors.
Don’t be shocked though if whoever deals for Greinke finds themselves bidding against the Brewers for his services this winter.
I’d be shocked if Milwaukee would consider themselves as a serious bidder if he makes it to free agency. I’m sure they’d follow up with him, but some team is ultimately going to offer more, and say the right things to get him in the door. I’d definitely like to see him back… I think Gallardo, Greinke, Peralta, Fiers, and Narveson could definitely keep them competitive until Thornburg, Bradley, Nelson, and Jungmann can (or some prove they can’t) contribute.
Angels people, is Kendrys Morales off the table?
Depends on who you ask. Some people at some of the Angel blogs propose scenarios where Morales could be traded due to the dreaded return of Wells (and the uncertainty of Morales’ foot), although most of these people would rather see Wells dealt or cut at his return.
Some people say Morales could be traded to move Trumbo out of the OF in order to give Bourjos more playing time for a Trout-Bourjos-Wells/Calhoun outfield, potentially moving Trumbo into the DH spot and splitting time with Pujols at 1B.
Ask Dipoto.
Nope. In fact, if you see him getting time at 1B, it probably means the Angels are trying to show he can still play in the field to up his value.
In order to get Grienke the Angels will need to trade Walden, Richards, and Segura to the Brewers. The Angels will also have to lock up Grienke for a long term deal and not just a 3 month rental. Imagine having Weaver, Wilson, and Grienke at the top of the rotation for the next few years. Wow. Now, if Haren and Santana can improve in the 2nd half of the season, watch out.
Can we trade Santana and Bobby Wilson for him? haha