Yesterday we heard that the Blue Jays and Red Sox were "making progress" in talks about compensation for manager John Farrell. Those talks appear to be the biggest hurdle, as a contract between Farrell and the Sox should be no problem. Here are today's updates on the situation, with the latest up top…
- It's likely that Farrell will wind up in Boston, but it's not a certainty that he will be the choice over Brad Ausmus, tweets Peter Gammons of MLB.com. However, it now seems that the determination will be made by General Manager Ben Cherington.
- There are indications tonight that the Red Sox are moving closer to a deal that would make Farrell their next manager, according to Sean McAdam of CSNNE.com.
- The Red Sox have asked to speak directly to Farrell, reports Jimmy Golen of the AP. That could be an indication that talks have progressed far enough that the two sides are talking about a contract.
- WEEI.com's Rob Bradford reports that the Sox "hope to have a resolution on the manager in the coming days." The club could be motivated to get a deal done before the start of the World Series on Wednesday.
Zach Links contributed to this post.
This is one of the most fascinating situations I have ever witnessed in baseball. Two very strong baseball operations in a “stare off” contest. I can’t wait to see the result.
I’m guessing the Jays return is disappointing to Jays fans and the Red Sox will have given up too much from Sox fans.
Ah…a compromise by both sides. How novel.
A Win Win when both teams fans are disapointed!
Well, it depends on who those “Jays fans” are. If they are someone who thinks they have to give Pedroia/Ellsbury/Buchholz then they are insane. If you can get a decent/good prospect, that’s pretty good compensation and I would be happy with that. Red Sox fans likely won’t be though.
Can’t say, despite all the problems there, that most managers wouldn’t jump at the chance to work in Boston. But really John Farrell, if you wanted that chair why did you even take the gig here in Toronto to begin with? So long and thanks for nothing. Sayonara.
because no one could’ve predicted that Fracona would be out so quickly. The way it seemed at the time Farrell left, Francona would be in Boston…indefinitely.
A deal built around Rubby De La Rosa for John Farrell?
I’m not sure anyone knows how to value a player vs. a manager. But then again, the way Bobby V was portrayed, the Sox might give the whole team away to prevent that mess.
This is stupid. Why are they giving up anything for a manager who has never had a winning record in the majors. Just start over. Tony pena doesn’t have a winning record and you don’t have to give anything up. Just saying.
Tell me something: would Joe Torre have led this year’s Houston Astros to the playoffs?
Then think about your answer.
why can’t the red sox just hire someone else. john farrel will not solve anything and requires compensation and has not shown great managerial skills.
Terry Francona hadn’t done much before he got to Boston.
they also didn’t give anything up to get Tito.
thats just proof that managers dont mean much
He didn’t require compensation or come with all the drama that Farel does. Also Francona inherited a team that made it to game 7 of the ALCS not a team that lost 90 games.
2012 Blue Jays.. the year that just wont end
Just hope Farrell doesn’t sustain some kind of injury, or the deal is off!
Random question if the deal isn’t done before the start of the World Series do they have to wait until the World Series is complete to announce and complete a deal?
Yes. Teams and players are asked to not make any announcements during the WS. It’s not an official rule, just a generally recognized courtesy.
Got it! Thanks for the information!
I wonder if they will make an exception because this is probably proving to be more of a distraction by dragging on. I could see it happening between the NLCS and the WS.
With the ratings Detroit vs St. Louis or San Francisco will draw, MLB might enjoy some East Coast news during the World Series.
I would think a Detroit vs. St. Louis World Series would be exciting. It’s a rematch of 2006, and both are great baseball towns. Even as a fan of neither team I’d be excited to watch, and I would hope the ratings would be pretty good.
We get to see if Detroit pitchers learned how to field the ball. That series was one disastrous error after another for Detroit.
As all pitchers know, you can never have enough Pine Tar.
Don’t knock the pine tar, the Tigers won that game.
Freak’n Kenny Rogers, I would have sworn he’d sold his soul to the Devil, the way he pitched.
Oh really? Excuses excuses. If the yankees could score a run or two they would be ok. Pine tar wouldn’t make a crappy pitcher throw up 7 goose eggs. But nice try!
I was referring to his overall post season performance. He pitched well against Oakland and the Cards as well that year. Something he was not noted for doing.
You’re a recent arrival to the site and as you Troll the boards more, you’ll see that I don’t make excuses. When my team gets beat, I don’t complain about calls, injuries or maybes. Thanks for the opportunity to introduce myself.
PFP is important! As much as the pitchers may hate it.
2006 set record lows for ratings. Perhaps a rematch could make it more interesting. But there’s no question, Fox isn’t going to be thrilled either way.
What Fox needs to realize is if they want to help ratings they need to cut lose Buck and McCarver.
It was the least televised WS in 2006 and most likely would be again.
Should we order the balloons, streamers and confetti now?
At least they are hinting something will happen soon. The Jays know they are best to get something for him, I mean how often is it to swing a trade and get a player for a manager. I’ve said all along that if Farrell Really is their guy that they should offer Bard and be over with it. It’s a dice roll. Will he return to his 8th inning dominace or be a crappy starter? I do think Boston is a better fit for Farrell (to those who question his record in Toronto).
I think Bard is a fair deal. Something will get done. AA does not talk this long without getting it completed. Best for both teams. Farrell is a good manager but Toronto not the right place for him. Would love to see Torey Lovullo or Sandy Alomar Jr. a shot.
if sox are smart…they will balk at any trade of real prospects……plenty of other good candidates available….farrell is unproven as a “good” manager and if they want to try him…fine..but not at the cost of a legitimate prospect. stare in the eye until they blink or walk away and hire Pena or Ausmus
the fact that the story has gone this far says to me we will likely hear about the deal after the NLCS ends and before the WS begins. also, lou pinella netted the M’s randy winn – so i think people who are saying that daniel bard or ruby dlr are not as crazy as boston fans seem to think. this isn’t ozzie, or theo being run out of town last year – and it isn’t just the head coach that’s heading out…
You should look at this from the Jays perspective. The Jays have something that the Red Sox want, and that’s really all there is to it.
That’s not even close to all there is to it. Ferrari has something I really want, but I’m not willing (or able) to pay them what they want for it, so they can keep it. I suspect the Jays can do the same thing if they want something more than what is reasonable for a manager.
but what if the ferrari was a slick talker and had a strong chin?
Oooh, you might have me there.
Well, then they don’t want him badly enough. If they think Farrell was the right guy to right the ship all along, and that this past season was sunk due to poor leadership, then they need to pay up. They have no business approaching a guy under contract for a lateral move, who will also pilfer the Jays’ coaching staff, in-division, who have the book on all the Jays’ players, and not expecting to pay something of value for it. The Sox job is not a promotion and the Jays don’t owe Boston, a division rival they play 19 times a year, a damn thing. And I don’t buy all this hogwash about a rift between AA and Farrell. If they saw eye to eye 100% of the time the only explanation would be that the manager and GM are actually the same person. You want different opinions. The “rift’ narrative is out there so that Boston can drive down the compensation.
Get it? Toronto owes Boston ZERO. And if it carries on not to the Jays’ liking I’d call Boston out on tampering.
As a Jays fan I totally agree with you. I can’t imagine why the Red Sox would trade a good prospect for a manager. And I can’t imagine why the Jays would let their under contract manager go to a division rival for anything LESS than a good prospect.
Someone will blink I guess!
toronto holds all the cards as they arent the ones in need of a manager. boston has and still keeps crawling back to the jays for farrell, they know they have to pony up a decent player or prospect
My sources tell me that the compensation will be Larry Lucchino with Dustin Pedroia’s used jockstrap on his head
Boston want John Farrell Real bad, you can tell that all their focus is on getting him, their reason why, they haven’t interview anyone else after their list of guys, who already interview, they are putting all their eggs in John Farrell basket with the goal of him saying yes..
If I was John Farrell, I would avoid Boston like they have case herpes, because it only took boston to fire Bobby V after 1 season & after 2011 season with report of what happen in club house, this team is still a cancer within themself until, they clean house, he looking at fielding a good team after yr 2 of his contract if, he signed a contract with boston..
Bold Prediction: Blue Jays will finish second in the AL East in 2013.
From my perspective, as a Jays fan, I just don’t see why they should help out the Red Sox here. Seriously – if they don’t want Farrell back, then wait until the Sox hire someone else and then fire Farrell. Why go out of their way to help a division rival?
That’s why I think it only makes sense for the Blue Jays if the Red Sox give up something of value. A prospect like Ruby De La Rosa.
Having said that, if I was a Red Sox fan, I would be absolutely pissed at the idea of giving up a decent prospect for a manager. I wouldn’t want them to give up anything but a organizational depth type guy.
Kind of a strange situation. Maybe the Red Sox and Jays are trying to find a way to expand the trade to make it more workable.
“Maybe…trying to find a way to expand the trade to make it more workable”>>Bingo. I am sure John Farrell is putting in his two cents if this is the case.
I just don’t see any way the red sox would give up something of value like that when they can just hire another manager
same with Ozzie. When a team wants a manager and they think he is the perfect guy, they will try to get the guy
just because one front office is completely whack, doesn’t mean another one would be.
if the sox were willing to give de la rossa or a prospect anywhere as close, farrell would have been gone a long time ago.
If we base coaches on their first stints, then I guess Terry Franconca and Bill Belichick are terrible coaches
Why doesn’t Boston give up who they received in return for Theo?
either A. The Sox like them or B. The jays don’t
I’m far more concerned with who else would be leaving the days staff (reports were that butter, lovullo and murph were leaving too) AND most importantly who is going to take over the jays.
The return should be and will be insignificant.
I can’t help but think that a bigger deal is in the works with multiple players going both way. It’s only a hunch but sounds like something AA would do.
I like farrell but am not convinced he is the solution. He was present during chicken-gate an it was his guys(pitchers) doing the chickening (word?). Just seems if they are trying to clear the air, they need to do it once and for all.
Looks like the Jays got more for Farrell than the Red Sox got for Theo.
Disagree. Aaron Kurcz and Carpenter are both decent prospects still, especially Kurcz. Aviles was going to be pretty much given away this off season, along with Aceves anyway.