The Brewers are interested in Michael Young as a first baseman, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. The Dodgers and Rockies are also in the mix for Young. The Nationals are involved too, but they're also exploring other options at present.
Young could pair with Juan Francisco at first base in Milwaukee. It certainly helps that, as Rosenthal notes (link), Brewers GM Doug Melvin and coaches Jerry and Johnny Narron know Young from his days with the Rangers.
The Brewers have been combing the first base market and lost a potential option when they're own free agent, Corey Hart, hooked on with the Mariners. Recently, our own Charlie Wilmoth looked at some of the other remaining options at the first base position, including the Cardinals' Matt Adams, the Mets' Ike Davis ( whom they've been heavily connected to), and Kendrys Morales. Adams would be a tremendous addition, but prying him away from divisional rivals could be tough.
Hahaha mets probably still want Thornberg I guess …
Yeah that’s what it sounds like. TT looked great at the end of the season. I’m hoping the Brewers give him a serious look to lock down the 4/5 spot in the rotation. I think his upside is nearly as high as Davis’, personally.
Davis upside is 40HR, .230 AVG and 200K’s. ThornBurg could be a solid 2/3 Garza-Peavy type pitcher.
At the right cost, I think the Brewers would be better off trading for Davis given the potential he still has. But as a back-up plan, Young wouldn’t be a bad option. At this point, he is a borderline starter. But being paired with Francisco at first isn’t a horrible idea.
He would have to get a Cory Hart contract for this to work. He wants to win, so why would he sign with a last-place destined team
Last place? The Brewers have outside potential to be a playoff team and would not be surprised if they went .500…last place is a bit of a joke. What do you base that off?
Last place, no. 4th place, probably. Pirates pitching is crazy good if they resign Burnett, and they are getting Wandy back. Cardinals are the best team in MLB and Reds are still better then the Brewers
4th place is probably where they are expected to be, and even at .500 they may finish 4th. But injuries happen and its not impossible for them to contend if another team falters and their young pitching goes right
‘If.” They need alot of If’s to contend. Will Yardo bounce back? Will Braun? Ramirez? Weeks? Will Segura return to his first half form? Will Khris Davis pan out? Will Peralta? ThornBurg?
Haha they are the worst team in the central
Better then the Cubs. Cubs has 1 good hitter and 2 average starters.
If they start using some of their prospects then will leave Mil in the dust. Besides the crew dont have any decent starters
Excuses me!? Travis Wood is slightly above average good sir!
Samardzija and Wood. Who did you think I was talking about? Jackson is slight above average only on his best days.
I was joking, you said average and I said Wood was slightly above average. Who are you saying is their one good hitter? Junior Lake came out strong and finished decently, Castillo batted .275, Castro and Rizzo both had down years but have previously displayed they have solid talent, even Nate Schierholtz had a decent year.
I have Rizzo down as there best hitter. Castro a wild card, Castillo and Schierholtz aren’t proven either. Castillo looks like a solid player though, could be a pretty good catcher in the years to come. Lake is listed as a platoon/4th outfielder by most scouts. I really thought the Cubs could of made a run at Cano, Choo and Tanaka but I doubt any of them will happen. (Cano won’t, obviously)
That’s a decent argument, I would still include Castro as a good hitter. His numbers have dropped but he is still averaging 180 hits a season. The cubs have the money to sign any free agent but yes you’re right, this offseason they won’t. This will be the year the prospects (some) come out and we will see exactly what to expect from the cubs in a couple of years
if he wants to win he should not be on the team. you think Young is a good player? on a good team he should never see more than 100 at-bats in a season. he’s barely above replacement level.
He is a good player as a platoon 1B, which is pretty much what he would be in Milwaukee. He should try to get his ring instead of taking a risk with the Brewers. Can’t judge his defense from last year because it was mostly 3B. He would play 1B for the Brewers. He is still a clutch hitter who had 4 walkoff hits for the Phillies last year.
borderline? no way. he’s barely above a replacement level player now.
I like this idea a lot more than trading for Davis.
are you thinking Young is any good? Hunter Morris is not very good but he’d be better than Young.
did you know Young’s WAR last season was worse than Rickie Weeks?
Self admittedly, I know very little about Young and his past season…I’m just still infatuated with the player that left Texas. Regardless though, Michael Young could lose an arm and I’d still be more excited about him in Milwaukee over Ike “I swung at my shadow” Davis.
as bad as Davis was last season, he was not as bad as Young. Michael Young has always been highly overated. A lot of singles just don’t do that much when every other part of your game is poor. His career WAR of +24.1 is behind such greats as Jason Bay and Ishmael Valdez.
Cardinals won’t trade Matt Adams to the Brewers all of their top 20 prospects combined wouldn’t be enough.
The Cards would trade Adams for Gomez or Segura. Not a likely trade however since neither team is looking to trade those players.
Nope. We just signed Peralta, why the hell would we want Segura? After the trade with the Angels for Bourjos, we wouldn’t take Gomez, at least certainly not at that price. Hello, earth to Milwaukee? Put down the PBR.
Hello? Gomez is about 3 times better then Adams. Last year’s war for Adams was 1.2 in 300 PA. Gomez in double his PA (600), Had 7 times his War. Highest OBP, OPS, Batting Average, Less K% and played on a team about 5 times worst then the Cardinals. Gomez. Adams
Hello back. First, NOT on 3x better. Second, Adams wasn’t even a full-year rookie last year. Comparing a half season to a full season is apples and oranges. Third, you lost Hart and you’re desperate for a 1B. If you wanted Matt Adams, you’d pay more. Plus, he’s got much, much better contract numbers, since he wasn’t a full year rookie.
Hello again, First, War wasn’t even close. He actually was about x3.5 better then Adams last year. Yes the contract is a hell of alot better then 2/22M for Gomez, but the production is there. Secondly, I speak on all teams. I so happenly am a Phillies fan, sadly. Adams has no use in ST Louis once Craig is healthy. You guys might as well trade him now while he still has cheap years left, get the biggest return.
Wrong. He’s a clear power bat. If he learns to hit halfway at all against lefties within the next two full seasons, he’s more valuable yet. It’s called **contract control** as others here have said. Gomez’s contract isn’t horrible, but, Adams’ is even better. Why would we trade a rookie who’s already solid and with upside? See, the Cards, unlike the Brewers right now, let alone Philly, have no real needs to be plugged. We don’t **need** to make trades. Period.
Adams wasn’t a starter last year! He will be in 2014 (with Craig mostly in RF) and probably double maybe even triple his WAR (and at a much cheaper price) as his bat continues to develop. WAR is a counting stat only useful in comparing similar amounts of playing time
As I stated in the orignal post, I double his WAR in my calculations so it would be as if he got a full season. Also, Craig isn’t going to be the RF with Taveras and Bourjous with the club. Adams will be a bench player.
Yes, but Gomez is already at his peak, while Adams’s bat is likely to continue to develop, plus Gomez had a likely unrepeatable career year. He’s never had any other seasons above 2.4 WAR. Also, Adams is much cheaper and under control for much longer.
As for playing time, the current plan is for Adams to start at 1B and Craig in RF. Taveras will have to earn his way into the starting lineup over a proven hitter like Adams and may even begin the year at AAA. If Taveras can play adequate CF defense, that would really help out.
You seriously think the acquisitions of Peralta and Bourjos would preclude the the acquisition of Segura and/or Gomez? That’s absolutely adorable.
I would think it actually would. Taveres, Jay, Bourjos and Holiday doesn’t need Gomez to be a solid outfield. They got Wong, Carpenter and Peralta in the infield. The Cards would be smart to save Adams for a deal for a young controllable starter to slide into Miller, Lynn, Wacha and Wainwright.
The Cardinals have controllable starters coming out of their ears. Besides those guys, Garcia isn’t dead yet, Kelly and Lyons are solid options, Martinez is a starter, Rosenthal has been pushed to the bullpen for now because there is no need for him to start.
The Cardinals have no need for Matt Adams and have no holes to trade him to fill. I’m a sad Phillies fan today. We got a hole at 3B, SU, MR, and GM.
Ergo, other teams can pay more for our players, especially any pitchers, than the offers mentioned here.
What exactly makes your players worth overpaying for? Other then Matt Adams power, he isn’t much special. His war was pretty bad. As I mentioned about 46 times on this thread alone, Carlos Gomez has x3.5 his War if you x2 it so they have the same PA. Gomez had 8.4WAR in 600PA, Adams had 1.2WAR in 300PA.
And, I mentioned that you’re also comparing a half-season rookie to a veteran with years experience. Geez, you Brew Crew folks … desperation is oozing out the pores.
I’m not a Brewers fan. Being a rookie is no excuse. Like Mike Trout, your rookie year could be your career averages. 6 years in MLB isn’t that long of time. He isn’t like hes done everything.
Yes, I do. Second, Mo didn’t call up to Milwaukee before the Peralta signing, did he?
The problem is that the Cardinals don’t need to trade Adams. If they made a deal for Segura or Gomez, they would just be making more work for themselves as they’d have to find a taker for Peralta or Jay or Bourjos.
Such a trade wouldn’t actually make either team better, they would each just be moving pieces around….and the Brewers have no replacement for either of those guys.
Those aren’t trade ideas that make any sense for either team. Teams have been trying to get Adams from StL non-stop for over a year now and the response has always been the same.
The response has always been “for the right price.” Not that he isn’t available. I would think he would be the first to go if they were in on Price or Scherzer
Trades still have to make sense. First, there is no reason for the Cardinals to be in on either of those guys. They have good pitching coming out of their ears. There is no reason to trade cheap talent for expensive short-term pitching options. The Cardinals are far more likely to trade away pitching than to trade for it….and they sure aren’t trading their starting 1B to add an arm to a crowded rotation. Those are suggestions that make sense for one team but not the other.
Second, you don’t trade players, you trade contracts. Five years of Adams is worth more than 1 expensive year of Scherzer, and the Cardinals probably think it is also worth more than 2 expensive years of Price.
I’m not saying the trade is plausible, I’m just saying he has no reason to be traded unless it was for a bigger name.
Exactly what I said above, about Gomez. First full-year rookie contract for Adams vs. $13M on Gomez? Pass.
You’d be stupid to pass on paying 2/22M for a first baseman you have no use for. He seriously has no purpose in St Louis once Craig is healthy.
There is no way Adams is a centerpiece in a Scherzer or Price trade. He most likely isn’t even capable of being the 2nd piece in a Price trade. Adams has power, but he still hasn’t shown he can hit lefties or take walks. He is also a below average baserunner and fielder at the easiest position on the defensive spectrum.
He could definitively be 1 of the 2 top prospects it would take to get Price. However, The Rays got Loney so the deal doesn’t make much sense anymore.
Again, you don’t trade players, you trade contracts. 5 years of Adams > 1 year of Scherzer. The Cardinals have no need of Scherzer anyway, but that is besides the point. The value of players as assets is based on their ability and their contracts/control they come with…..and 1 year of Scherzer isn’t worth anywhere near 5 years of Adams.
Yes, but nobody on Milwaukee has either of those names. Please tell that to the Brew Crewers.
Now that the Cardinals have a shortstop, there’s no longer a realistic “right price.” Adams is a proven Major League hitter. You don’t give that up for unproven prospects no matter how highly touted unless you’re rebuilding or need to clear payroll.
Proven MLB hitter, yes, because half a season REALLY proves something. Look at Vance worley. Finished 3rd in ROY, Sub 3 ERA, 11-3, Now hes an AAA longman. Half a season doesn’t qualify as a proven MLB hitter, and why waste him on the bench?
Or look at Segura. He only hit for half a season
Jeff Francouer, he tore it up his rookie year great hitting great arm now look where he is
I said prospects. Besides I wouldn’t take Gomez for Adams he’s garbage after last yr
Adams is a below league average (1.2 WAR) player who might not even start.
Wrong. 1.2 WAR for a rookie in half a season is quite decent. Excuuusee me? Adams will start against righties, while Craig slides to 1B against lefties and Tavares plays RF. Simple. Period.
While I agree with you on Adams, he has plenty of value. I don’t agree with your scenario. Taveras isn’t going to be in St. Louis to only start against RHP. When he comes up, Adams will be on the bench more often than not.
For the Cards he’s starting and their a good team. On the Brewers he’d be their one all star.
Could you just stop posting? Your comments are so inaccurate.
Braun, Segura, Gomez, and a healthy Ramirez are all better than him by a mile.
Its ok your brewer fan you dont understand the sport. Braun is done. Segura is eh. Gomez was a one yr flash. Ramirez is to old to stay healthy. Watch your team and you’ll figure it out.
Braun is done? He was still on pace for 30HR, 120 RBI and .300 batting average on a bad team last year. Hes only 30, so hes not done. Segura had triple the war in only double the PA then Adams. HR is as useless of a stat as appearance for a reliever.
Yes Braun is done. He was prob still on the meds. Segura fell off the planet almost after a huge start. He’s good, the rest eh not so much.
Braun can still put up Matt Holiday numbers. You can’t say Gomez is a 1 hit wonder if you are defending Adams who only has 1 year experience.
Adams dont have a yr yet. Gomez was eh for a couple yrs then boom a good one? Hmm suspect
So according to your logic, Dom Brown, Matt Harvey, Soriano are all suspects of drugs? Flawed logic. Adams will be marked as 1 year MLB experience on his record. So just because he didn’t play, doesn’t mean it doesn’t count. He missed a month and a half of the season.
No any player that was junk like Gomez then one yr becomes good. Also doesnt help he plays alongside a liar like Braun.
Dom Brown still fits your profile. Same roster as 4 proven druggies and still on the AllStar team. No links. According to you theres a better chance Jeter is on Drugs then half of MLB for being next to A-Rod
Its ok your to slow to understand. Jeter was good for some time before Arod got there. So if that is your opinion on Jeter I have to disagree. Dom Brown idk him but i watched Gomez for a while and he was junk then all of the sudden he is good??? Hmm
How are we supposed to take your opinions about baseball players seriously when you aren’t familiar with the players that we’re discussing?
“Done” Braun will outperform every hitter the Cardinals have this year. And you will sorely wish you had a real third baseman like Ramirez come June.
Hes starting? Lets see when Bourjous, Holiday, Taveras and Jays are splitting the outfield which forces Craig to play first, lets see him start then.
Let me help Brewer fans understand the sport. The Cards have depth and one of the best hitting prospects on baseball, but still dont need to call him up due to this depth. Afams will START and Taveras will stay down til midseason or in case of injury.
Let me help out you. 1. Not a brewers fan. 2. Taveras isn’t going to stay done for long. He is a better hitter then Adams, which is going to force him out of the lineup. 3. wtf is Afams
Gomez has x7 his war in only x2 his plate appearances. Try again, because there 20 top prospects > Gomez.
When Gomez is out there, really doing his thing, there isn’t anyone in the majors I’d rather have on my side. I’ve never seen anyone who gives as much of an effort, runs out every ground ball, gets to every ball without making a leap or a dive, robs every other homerun that’s “robbable”, stretches doubles into triples, and picks when he wants to steal a bag, then takes it. (The only close second is Bryce Harper)
I agree that the Cards won’t trade Adams, but if the Crew was offering Gomez, you’d be a fool if you said any team wouldn’t jump all over the chance to snatch him up. That includes trading a potential power threat at first base.
Harper is overrated. .214 AVG agaisnt Lefties. Ryan Howard has the same stats, or very close.
Overrated at 21…………………
People expect him to be amazing, dazzling, shocking. You don’t go from hitting .214 agaisnt lefties to a top star over night. Hes going to need to get a whole hell of alot better before hes the must see star.
You must be really down on Matt Adams then. Against LHP, his slash is .208/.219/.375/.594, compared to Harper’s slash of .229/.312/.376/.688. Once you take into account that Adams is four years older, a below average baserunner and fielder at first base and has worse numbers against RHP, he looks like a borderline starter.
He is a borderline starter on the Cardinals. Other then power, he doesn’t exactly have many talents. He can slug. Don’t get me wrong. Harper is overrated.
Not really he was eh for many yrs and had one good one. He prob found Braun’s medicine. He’ll decline next year.
There’s plenty of articles about Gomez’s “transformation.”
The Mets and Twins forced him to be a chop and run hitter to try to utilize his speed at the top of the order. Dale Sveum was the first coach to let him be himself and use his aggressiveness in his approach at the plate. Gomez says he’s always seen himself as a potential 3 hole hitter, and at 6’3” – 215, the guy does have the build.
Lookup the article and do a little research rather than lazily grasping at straws to explain away a player’s success: “Carlos Gomez changes his approach, and thrives”
Gomez was a one yr flash.
How can you say that Adams isn’t then. He only has 1 year. You are being a hypocrite at the moment.
Not at all. Segura played all yr and was figured out. Adams got better with the additional PA
Pretty sure our conversation is about Gomez, not Segura. Gomez OBP rose in the 2nd half..
You’ll see
You are either impaired or just trolling.Your discussions lack intellectual merit and you should be openly mocked in society.
I can’t help but think that the Brewers are moving past acquiring Ike Davis. This cannot be good for the Mets. Alderson better soon lower his asking price, or plan to start planning for Davis’s arbitration. .
This was okay up until the part where it said “pair with Juan Francisco.” No thanks.
Young probably wouldn’t be a bad option, assuming he isn’t expensive. If he’s looking for more than, say, $5 million, I wouldn’t be too interested.
Would have to be more then 5M to play for a bad team when you could get a bench job on the Red Sox, Dodgers, Yankees, Rangers and Tigers.
Last year was a fluke. Our 1B situation was abysmal, and we lost our two best players for basically half the season. That and our 2B/#1 starter had career worst years. Getting Braun and Ramirez back for a full season and having Khris Davis and Scooter Gennett break camp should make a huge difference.
That being said, even if the Crew WASN’T going to contend for the Central title this year, I’d still think Young would take a starting job over rotting on the bench every game for the Sox or Tigers (especially since you named 4 out of 5 AL teams where bench players get even less playing time than the NL)
Nah, we’re going to be pretty bad.
How do you figure? Find a guy at first who bats over .220 and you already improve by what? 2-3 wins? Gennett bats .280 in the leadoff spot, add another 1-2 wins over the lineup black hole that was Rickie Weeks. Davis? He’ll rock it with 15 HR/60 RBIS. We’ll call it 1 win over what Aoki brought to the table. Bring back Braun and Ramirez for a year? 5-8 more wins. Estrada keeps making progress, Peralta picks up where he left off last year, and Thornburg finally puts it all together.
We had exactly one hole on our roster last year and that was at first base. The rest of the season was one huge train wreck of injuries, bad performances, and being forced to bring up guys who “would never make a difference at the major league level”. All of that and we still won 75 games. I’d peg the Crew to win 86+ next year which will easily put them in the Wild Card spot if not in contention for the division.
We at best are 3rd in the division with the starting rotation and if we’re being honest, at best 4th. Our offense should be better but it’s not nearly good enough to overcome our pitching.
How many times do we have to have this roster finish 3rd at best before we realize the roster is the problem and not injuries/under performance or any other excuse they can come up with?
3rd? Who exactly are you better then in the division then the Cubs? The Pirates got ALOT better since 2011
That’s why I said if we’re being honest we’re at best 4th.
You surely think high of the Brewers. They got 2 starters even worth noticing. They traded K-Rod and Axford which leaves them with 1 decent reliever. No bench depth other Gennett. No good left handed hitter in your lineup, at all. None. Your whole team is right handed. They might beat the Cubs for last place. They can’t contend with the Reds, Cardinals or Pirates.
All I’m saying is that if they won 74 games last year (plus playing .560 baseball if you take out the month of May where our bullpen (including Axford) completely imploded) with all the injuries/underperformances, even if they fall back (or up) to the “mean”, they’ll win 85-87 games easy. St. Louis won’t win 97 again and anyone who thinks Pittsburgh is going to win 95 again is crazy. Cinci? They have a Joey Votto who had a down year, an aging Brandon Phillips, and who? Jay Bruce? They’re also down a huge offensive catalyst in Choo and that rotation isn’t as good as it was last year. I’m not saying it’s going to be as close a race as it was this year but Milwaukee will at least contend, especially for the Wild Card. (And let’s be completely honest, that offense can carry them through the playoffs a heck of a lot easier than most other “playoff favorites”)
Regarding the “how many times” argument: 2012, we were what, two games out of the playoffs? That’s on top of making it in ’08 and ’11. Not exactly what I’m call perennial 3rd place. Far from it, actually.
The Phillies were out 6 games in 2012, they made it to the Postseason in ’07, ’09’ ’10 ’11 and won it all in ’08. o the how many times you made the playoffs doesn’t really matter. How do you plan on the Brewers hitting RH pitching? They barely have any lefthanded hitters worth noting. The Reds rotation is going to improve hugely if Cueto is healthy. Bailey, Cueto, Latos, Leake and Cingrani is a very good rotation. Hell of alot better then Lohse, Yardardo and ThornBurg, The Reds bullpen with a healthy Bruxton makes for better then the Brewers.
The Reds are better in every aspect, except hitting LH pitching.
I wasn’t using their postseason appearances as a reference, I was responding to an earlier comment about the team perennially finishing in 3rd-4th place. I know as good as any that you can go from first to last back to back.
I wasn’t ripping on the Reds rotation. They’re fantastic. I’m just saying they won’t be as good as they were in ’13.
Regarding our rotation, Lohse was as good as if not better than basically any member of the Reds rotation (and the Pirates), and Thornburg, Estrada, and Peralta all had sub-3 ERAs in the second half. Again, that’s the second half, all the way through September. Even if they regress a bit and all pitch to a mid-high 3, the offense should more than carry that rotation the whole way. Gallardo? The guy’s got talent. I’m not sure what sort of self-destructive path he put himself on this past year but there’s no way he won’t perform better next year.
And I mean, if you’re going to rip on the bullpen, look at basically every bullpen in the bottom half of baseball. I mean, the Tigers and the Athletics had real stellar relief performances down the stretch. *rolls eyes* Milwaukee’s pen isn’t great but Blazek, Kinsler, Henderson, Figaro, and Hand will do just fine.
Brewers were 58-60 against righties and 16-28 against lefties. Thanks for pointing me out to an area that’s due for some MAJOR regression towards the mean though.
As for starters…
April – 4.16 ERA (13th in NL) Record: 14-11
May – 4.91 ERA (15th in NL) Record: 6-22
June – 3.44 ERA (3rd in NL) Record: 12-15
July – 3.63 ERA (7th in NL) Record: 14-14
August – 3.57 ERA (4th in NL) Record: 13-14
September – 3.29 ERA (5th in NL) Record: 15-12
As for bullpen…
The jettisoned Axford (4.45 ERA), Gonzalez (4.68), and Badenhop (3.47); the three worst performers who saw significant action in the bullpen. We won’t even know what the bullpen looks like until the season starts, but Kintzler, Henderson, Gorzelanny, Hand, and Figaro put up comparable numbers to the Reds when working out of the bullpen.
As a note for the starters; remember that…
1. Lohse was signed right before the season and wasn’t entirely ready to pitch
2. Gallardo and Estrada both pitched in the World Baseball Classic
3. Wily Peralta was in his first season in the majors and…
4. Narveson, Fiers, Burgos, Figaro, and Gorzelanny all suffered injuries while filling the fifth spot
And I don’t think I even need to bring up the fact that the Brewers were missing their 3, 4, and 5 hitters for good chunks of the season, all while Yuniesky Betancourt got 409 plate appearances, Alex Gonzalez 118, Rickie Weeks 399, etc, etc, etc…
Can’t blame the WBC, David Wright had a monster April last year, he was in it. So did Derek Holland.
So you cherry pick two successes to show that everyone will do well after the WBC??? Lol. The Brewers sent John Axford, Jim Henderson, Talor Green, Gallardo, Estrada, Martin Maldonado, Hiram Burgos, Carlos Gomez, Jeff Bianchi, Ryan Braun, and Jonathan Lucroy.
Good performers early: Braun (who did well after his last WBC as well), Gomez, Henderson (after a terrible spring training)
Bad performers early: Axford, Estrada (early injury too), Maldonado, Lucroy, Gallardo
Injuries: Green, Burgos, Bianchi
The impact of the WBC is relatively unknown, but the performance/injury rate of players that play in it are relatively high from what I’ve seen in articles about the impact of the WBC.
Cards might win MORE than 97. Better RH bats this year with Peralta + Ellis. Jaime Garcia coming back as a LH starter. Most of the young bullpen with a year of experience, and slots all set from the start of the year.
PADMY. Wonderful.
Mozeliak AIN”T trading Adams.
Why not? League average first basemen are not rare.
Unless you’re the Brewers.
He was already a tad above league average in a half season as a rookie. To your “why not,” why?
So are average players everywhere else. For example see the Brewers entire roster.
Cant we get middlebrooks instead?
Young sounds like a scare tactic to get the mets to lower asking price.
I wouldn’t think they would need to lower the asking price. MiddleBrooks would cost Thornburg.
Id be okay with sending thornburg for middlebrooks. ..ill even throw in weeks. LoL
The Brewers GM would be stupid to trade Thornburg for a shaky 3B. Weeks wouldn’t go to Boston unless you pay the whole deal.
Go home Brewers, you’re drunk.
Please. Brewers just trying to scare the Mets and Sandy into lowering the price for Ike. If they really wanted Young they would have tried to get him awhile ago. Not only that, why would Young want to sign there to be their right handed platoon 1B? Im sure he could find a platoon role for a contending team that would pay him more anyway. Just posturing by the Brewers, and pretty weak posturing at that.
Sandy has always targeted the prospect(s) he thinks he can get from teams and sticks with it. It always seems to pay off. Either the Brewers or the Pirates will pay Sandy’s asking price. If they don’t, Sandy keeps Ike, options Duda to Vegas and our 1B situation is no better or worse than it would have been.
That’s what I said. Brewers just trying to get mets to lower price.
Having said that, they clearly would rather move davis and get something back for him.
the brewers have to do something. We already missed out on hart, morrison, valencia, morse…
Loney…trumbo…
Mets probably couldn’t/shouldn’t of got either of them players. Lonely wouldn’t do a whole lot other then hit singles in Citi Field and Trumbo would cost them too much young pitching.
Mets? Im making a list of first baseman the brewers already missed out on,
Wow I’m dumb. My bad, but Trumbo wouldn’t make sense for the Brewers either. Hes older and this team should be thinking about the next 2-3 years. Not 2014 as much.
We have a 1b prospect for 2015. A stop-gap might be ok
One thing you need to realize about Doug Melvin. He’s straightforward to a fault and not very creative. He’s just not that into Ike Davis to give up something of real value. It’s as simple at that. He’s also still kind of intrigued by Juan Francisco’s power (though most Brewer fans aren’t), and the idea of a guy like Young is that he can still get Francisco in the mix, platoon wise at least, bench him when he goes cold in favor of Young and get more production at 1B than they had there last year.
As any rival GM viewing the possibility to acquire a first baseman for his team, the first question asked would center around why would a potential trade partner wants to trade a given player. It is no secret that Alderson wants to unload Ike Davis. Is it because of his poor performance last season? Is it because of his projected monetary cost? Is it because Mets view him as a lost cause as a player? Teams like the Brewers and Pirates are viewing Davis as obviously flawed for any number of reasons. Alderson will have to determine quickly whether he is more anxious to unload Davis,, or retain him for the foreseeable future. His current market value is lower than what Mets fans might want to hear. Alderson will need to risk whether Davis will enhance, or deflate, his trade value by waiting. In the meantime, today’s trade partners (Brewers/Pirates) may better fill their needs elsewhere, at a better price.
I’m pretty sure this wasn’t the ‘plan’ for the Brewers. Doug Melvin is just wingin’ it, taking it as it comes, playin’ by ear.
The Brewers Dont care what the Mets do, the Brewers won’t be moving Thornburg for Davis. I would trade Rickie Weeks for Ike Davis. That’s a pretty fair trade not including salary.
As a Cardinals fan I applaud this shrewd idea
Odds are its a scare tactic to get Duda/Davis’ price to be lower.
Why would the Cardinals give up Adams now that their offseason shopping list is complete? A contending team doesn’t give up a young, controllable slugger likely to hit 30+ homers a year in the near future for mere prospects.
Well, I think I’m out of this thread. Brewers appear desperate and have little idea of the value of “contract control.” Couple of weeks ago, Fangraphs said the Cards were the best team in baseball on this, on core players. Why would we mess that up?
What does “contract control” have to do with signing Young for a year? They have a hole at 1B, and don’t want to give up young controllable pitching for a mediocre guy like Ike Davis. Brewers have contract control over their core guys Lucroy, Gomez, Braun. They are integrating two guys who showed tons of promise last year in Davis and Gennett into their lineup. They also have control for two or more years over their entire rotation. The only guy in their lineup who’s a FA after this year is Ramirez.
I’m fairly certain OP was talking about Matt Adams. It seems that at least half the posts in this comments section took the quarter of a sentence that mentioned Adams’ name (not even saying the Brewers have been interested, mind you, just using his name in reference to the article about potential available first basemen) and ran with it, talking about how the Brewers couldn’t trade for him even if they wanted to, and using it as an excuse to bash the Brewers and their fans. A fair amount of commenters on this article seem to have forgotten the fact that it’s talking about the Brewers looking at Michael Young.
if I’m michael young, I’d rather be a bench guy on an awesome team than a starter on the brewers. he’s versatile, he’ll get his ABs. he should be chasing rings, not wasting his days in milwaukee.
Khris Davis, Braun, Gomez, Segura, Gennett… the Brewers could be really good this year.
Young isn’t even replacement level at 1B. There really is nothing better than that?
His numbers compare favorably with Loney who just got a 3 year deal with the Rays. Young can be had relatively inexpensively and be a decent stopgap. The guys available in trade are below average and require giving up guys the Brewers would prefer to hang on to.
as a bit platoon player getting $1 million and no more than 200 at-bats… OK. but this guy would be the worst starting first baseman in baseball. You’d be lucky to get a 100 OPS+ out of him.
He had over a 100 OPS+ just last season and has had one for 8 of the last 10 years.
yep. and only once in the last 4 seasons was it above 102. and now he’s going to be 37 years old. he’s done.
He’d be able to match James Loney’s numbers easily for a lot less money and commitment, and be relatively easy to move at the trade deadline if they aren’t in contention. I’d prefer Young getting the bulk of the playing time over seeing anything of Juan Franciscso. Brewers have power sources elsewhere. They can get by with a steady .280 bat with limited power. That’s a lot more than they got out of the position last year.
James Loney last season… +2.7 WAR, Michael Young last season -1.2 WAR. One guy was good but not great. The other was horrendous… BELOW replacement level!
Young’s value last season was less than Rickie Weeks.
brewers are going to be the surprise team 2014
If by “surprise” you mean surprisingly bad, then yes, they will be a “surprise”.
Probably a stupid question but can Young play 2B anymore? I know he used to be super utility in the infield a year or two ago but not sure if age has rendered him to only 1B. If he can, the Jays should try to pick him up on the cheap as a back up to Goins/Izturis which is already awfully miserable. Throwing Young in the mix who is a proven hitter couldn’t hurt especially if its only for 1-3 mil (not really sure what his market price is but hopefully it falls in there). Goins D at 2B is likely better but with that silent bat its not doin us much favour either. Buttt after witnessing Boni’s and Izturis ridiculously awful D at 2B last year maybe we should just focus on D at this point?
Although most media sources say Doug Melvin will be making a trade for a 1st baseman, I seriously doubt it happens. The Brewers are in no shape to be trading any players or prospects other than Ricky Weeks and no team will want him even if we ship along cash to cover 1/2 of his $11 mil 2014 salary. Doug Melvin will sign a street free agent, or stay with what we have. Who knows, maybe Yuni Bettencourt or Taylor Green plays first this year. Either would come in at a low cost, Green bats left handed so I would lean that way. They are not in position to be spending big money for a first baseman.
Why can’t Rami play first and Young play 3rd? (assuming we sign him)
Also, we needed a real #1 pitcher via Free Agency to contend, so it doesn’t matter who you sign to play positions in the infield.
Surely you jest, #1 starter via free agency ? Giving up a first round pick will not happen as the new MLB agreement dictates as compensation, just like the Kyle Lohse deal. We might pick up a street free agent for relief but not a starter. SP’s with a glimmer of success have been signed already and if not, there’s strings attached or an issue we don’t want to deal with.
Why would Doug Melvin not consider Lyle Overbay over Michael Young? Left-handed hitter with some power to the gaps and an above average glove at 1st base. Just don’t feel Brew
Crew is looking at all economical options that could make them better.