The Mets are still in contact with Scott Boras, the agent for shortstop Stephen Drew, a person with knowledge of the talks tells Marc Carig of Newsday. However, the source likened the situation to the Mets' pursuit of outfielder Michael Bourn late last winter, a chase that ended with the outfielder signing with the Indians.
The parallel here, in the source's view, is that the Mets made a serious run at signing Bourn mostly because he lowered his asking price late in the offseason. Meanwhile, Mets assistant GM J.P. Ricciardi recently indicated in a radio interview that the club is happy with Ruben Tejada as their starting shortstop. The Mets have been frustrated with Tejada's effort in the past, but they seem to believe that he is ready to turn things around in 2014.
Drew's market doesn't look any clearer as we approach the New Year. The Red Sox have interest in bringing the shortstop back, but they're also determined to wait things out and get a deal that suits them.
wait wait wait…..christmas passed already…….lol
I don’t care of he plays for league minimum, I DON*T want Drew on the Red Sox, hope someone else overpays and keep the pick.
Drew/Bogaerts >>> Middlebrooks/Bogaerts
This, times a bunch.
It’s just 1 season of Drew/WMB. Signing Drew for more than 1y is a poor move and probably the Sox FO is hesitant to do so, not because WMB is the future fixture at 3b, but Garin Cecchini, the 2013 MILB on base % leader at AA is and beginning in 2014? Bogaerts can go back to SS, Cecchini should be ready to take over at 3rd and WMB can be long gone with his sub .300 OBP on some other team that tolerates that type.
I don’t understand your logic at all. What do you have against Drew? Assuming Boegarts is the constant, do you really think Middlebrooks is providing more than Drew?
You pretty much know what you have in Drew and you’re probably going to have to pay him 9-10 million a year to get it. Middlebrooks has shown flashes of being a really good hitter, but hasn’t been able to maintain it for an entire season. With a more patient approach, and a better ability to lay off the outside pitch Middlebrooks could easily be a better hitter than Drew for less than 1 million a year. Plus his departure would provide the Red Sox with an additional pick. However, a lot has to happen for Middlebrooks to reach his full potential, including totally changing his approach at the plate. But he is young and some people want to give him a chance, and others would rather go with the more boring but reliable option in Stephen Drew.
I like to think if the Mets can keep it to a two year commitment, and tack on a couple of vesting options, it’d be a good investment. Their current roster is too good to get a protected first round pick next offseason, and if they sign Stephen Drew (or another top free agent this offseason), they would only have to give up their third round pick. Ruben Tejada would be a solid back up middle infielder, but I’m not quite convinced he’s a starting SS. I don’t think Stephen Drew can repeat his 2013 season but he has the ability to post around league average offence, while playing slightly above average shortstop. That’s actually quite valuable. There really isn’t a free agent SS worth giving up a first round pick for next offseason.
agree on all points but would stay away from vesting options.
I think the Red Sox are more confident with Bogaerts at SS than the Mets are with Tejada at SS. (And with good reason, of course).
This is my guess:
-Red Sox are offering him a one-year deal
-Mets are offering him a two-year deal
-Boras/Drew holding out for a three-year deal from Mets or two-year deal from Red Sox
Wouldn’t Drew at SS and Bogaerts at 3B make sense as well? Middlebrooks is young and has a lot to prove (as does Bogaerts) but I read rumors the Red Sox even wanted to trade him at one point. He’s got power but he also K’s A Lot and his OBP isn’t very good either. I’m not familiar with him defensively,
Personally, I’d much rather have a combo of Drew/Boegarts than Middlebrooks/Boegarts. I lot of Sox fans [not all, of course] enjoyed dumping on Drew, but I thought he was rather solid. Middlebrooks’ OBP is, uh, worrisome.
Bogaerts would have to play pretty poorly in Spring Training for them to go with Middlebrooks over him at 3B if Drew is brought back. It’s assumed that Middlebrooks would be traded if Drew returns, but his market might mean he sticks around.
That’s my point. Drew/Bogaerts >>>> Middlebrooks/Bogaerts.
I’m not fond of Drew but bringing him back on a two year deal makes a lot of sense. Bradley, Bogaerts, AND Middlebrooks in the starting lineup doesn’t seem like a recipe for success.
Drew is super-expensive, use the money elsewhere.
a key difference is Bourn would have cost the Mets the 11th pick whilst Drew would cost them the 80th-ish.
Add to the fact that Bourn commanded a lot of money and wanted a five year contract when his game is speed. That was a wise pass by the Mets.
Precisely!
sox would only get a 3rd round pick for drew if he signs with the mets, right?
It does not matter which team signs a player all teams get a sandwich pick no matter what.
thanks
Noah synnderguard for Chris owings, Alfredo marte, and Brandon McCarthy
No… Syndergaard > than all 3 of them combined
Propose a trade for syndergaard to the dbacks surrounded around owings or gregorious
No because its not necessary. Both of these guys can be had with a package built around Montero. Theyre both unproven. Why are you so quick to get rid of a guy that is going to become just as good, if not better, than Harvey. McCarthy is a loser and Alfredo Marte and Owings aren’t worth half of Syndergaard
Ok so Meija, Ynoa for gregorious ? Meija has an injury history.
If youre asking for MY ideal trade proposal that would be fair for both sides I would offer a package of Montero, Nimmo, Ynoa/deGrom for either Owings/Gregorious (really dont care which but I’d prefer Owings). The DBacks biggest need is pitching and I’m hearing they’ve asked for Syndergaard/Wheeler. Owings/Gregorious are not worth either of those guys. This trade gives them 2 young pitchers with upside and a young OF still 2-3 years away with upside.
Honestly I’d rather have mejia.. What about just mejia and montero for owings/gregorious and a mid level prospect?
Mejia has too much upside to just be a “throw in” with us getting a mid level prospect back.
i’d do it.
Would do that for Owings. I personally have no interest in Gregorious.
That’s giving up ridiculous amounts of talent for Owings/Gregorius. Calm down, bro.
I wouldn’t even offer that for Gregorious.
But no men redo isn’t even as good or does he have a reputation of being very good. Gregorious for montero would be plenty fair for both sides.
I missed half of what you were attempting to say there but yes I would do Montero for Gregorious straight in a heartbeat
Sorry, typo. But of course you would because you would get a better deal. I think mejia and montero for gregorious, Alfredo marte (great power potential), and Anthony Meo. I think this is great for both sides, but obviously you’re a mets fan and I’m a dbacks fan so we think differently.
The key word when referring to Marte is “potential”. Im really good when it comes to prospects and farm systems and honestly with the exception of the top guys I dont know much at all about the Dbacks farm team. Of im the Mets I want Owings not Gregorious. Also if I’m including Mejia as well with Montero I expect more back than a 24 year old OF with “potential” and a drug problem, a pitcher in Meo that doesn’t look like hell even make it to the big leagues, and a SS Thats got a great glove but can’t hit. If I’m getting Owings I consider this deal but if its Gregorious, then no.
Okay, well thanks for your opinion.
Why is it a lot of people want the Mets to trade young pitching (Montero, Noah, etc) for young unproven position players? I don’t think Noah can be traded period, and I feel montero should be traded for proven help… I’m not going to say that he’s going to get the Mets a all-star caliber player like a Tulo or something, but they couldn’t put a deal together to get a serviceable guy at SS like a Jed Lowrie?
Any ideas of trading Syndergaard and Montero that I have seen would have the other team sending a proven player (usually their best player). I find humor in it because they would only trade Montero and/or Syndergaard for another team’s untouchable player, and then there are some fans that think the Mets can convince a team that Wilmer Flores and Jacob deGrom are legitimate top prospects and net a return of Carlos Gonzalez. Alderson has pulled off some great looking trades, but fans have to realize that Tony Reagins is not making any transaction decisions for any major league team any more.
How do you feel about Noah though? Pitching has proven to be the difference over the years, and I am praying for a Matt, Zack, Noah, Jon, (5th starter) rotation.
After last season’s performance I have to think he would be considered in the top 5 for pitching prospects in the game. I would be really hard pressed to deal him away. Of course he could end up to be a dud in the majors, but that’s the risk I would be willing to take. There is a lot to like about him.
Because just like they are young, unproven position players we have young, unproven pitchers and a lot of them. We do not need all of the pitchers we got on the farm. Pitching depth is a great thing to have but you need to have offense to. Thats why everyone is proposing deals based around our young pitching. For me, Montero is a movable asset especially with Dyndergaard, Harvey, Wheeler and Niese. If hes the guy a team is asking for, you dont hesitate to move him
I agree with moving a guy like Montero for immediate help, but to me Noah is a guy they need to hold on to
100% agree . Sybdergaard has the potential to be better than Harvey. He should not be moved under any circumstance
No he doesn’t.
Yes, he does. Hes got a bigger body and frame and gets more movement on his pitches than Harvey does. Mix in the injury Harvey now has to fight back from and theres a chance he can be better than Harvey. Not saying he will but hell definitely be as good with the potential to be better
I love Syndergaard and I’m very high on him. However, to say he will definitely be as good as Harvey is nothing but a hope at this point. There are hundreds of pitchers that have had Syndergaard’s potential and never been half as good as Harvey. Harvey is a true Ace, not every top pitching prospect turns in what Matt Harvey has already done.
You actually love him or is that just figure of speech?
I think Matt Harvey for all his accolades, is overrated.
Very very good pitcher. But not one of the top 10 pitchers in mlb.
kershaw, Felix, Fernadez, Verlander, Scherzer, Wainwright, Wacha, Kimbrel, Price, Darvish, Sanchez, Strasburg, cliff Lee… The list is long with pitchers I rather have on my team.
I don’t get the hype with Harvey tbh.
he was absolutely top 10 last year before his injury. maybe top 3. now, whether he can do that again or do it consistently throughout his career is another story.
Michael Wacha and his 64 innings pitched? Kimbrel, a reliever? Sanchez who is pretty good but has only had one truly dominant year? I’m going to stop here because you have to be trolling.
he could be good but i think you underestimate how insanely good harvey is. (or was anyway)
People seem to be a little down on Montero because he struggled a bit in Vegas, but the fact that he has a history of throwing strikes makes him a very attractive prospect. Throwing strikes is one of the hardest and last tangibles for a pitcher to develop and Montero has done that at such a young age. Vegas is a tough place to pitch, and perhaps he changed his game plan because hits are much easier to accomplish at Cashman Field. Montero could wind up a real dark horse of pitching prospects in the game. He isn’t a talent evaluator but last spring training, David Wright was most impressed by Montero of all the pitching prospects that were in camp.
I mean I’m not saying trade him at all costs. But he would be the guy I would deal. I’m higher on Montero than most people are. I definitely think he can be a great pitcher in the league
I am not down on him. I just don’t really know who he is. Is he related to Jesus montero?
He didn’t struggle in Vegas, really. 3.05 ERA, 2.87 FIP. How is that struggling? Where are you getting your information from? He absolutely dominated in his last 6 starts, putting up a 1.40 ERA, 37 Ks to only 27 hits and 6 walks in 38 innings. That’s a ~0.85 WHIP.
you list 5 of the mets young pitchers, there’s a good 3-4 behind them that are looking really, really good as well. sandy likey young power pitchers. even looking to get more for ike davis.
Which is exactly why we shouldn’t be so hesitant to trade one or 2 of them. We have the pitching. We dont have hitting. The only way for us to get the bats is to trade off some of the young arms we have. Another thing is with the exception of Syndergaard, Montero, Ynoa, and Matz the rest of the arms we got are pretty much clones of each other. All RHP, young with #3 starter upside.
I have no doubt Sandy would move 1-2 of them in the right deal. However, every GM is probably asking for the ones he wants to keep – Wheeler and Syndergaard.
It’s pretty well known he’s open to trading Montero.
Personally, I sit on all of them for another year. I think Montero will be a solid 3/4 as early as this year. I’d rather keep him and the others and move Niese or Gee as they will fetch more being more proven.
With higher end SP prospects, the higher they get through the system, the more they are worth so I’d let that happen.
There’s always trade deadline deals anyhow.
I can understand where youre coming from. Makes sense. Gee I wouldn’t hesitate to move at the deadline but the problem with moving Niese is we have no Lefties in our organization. Thats the one downside to out pitching prospects. The only lefty prospect we have is Leathersich but hes not a starter. They are all right handed. Niese should be kept at all costs. Unless somewhere down the road we can get 2-3 LHP prospects.
Steven Matz is a pretty highly rated SP prospect for the Mets, but he’s still in A ball.
Personally, I dont care if have 5 right handed starters, as long as they can all pitch. The bullpen is a different story.
I can’t see having a rotation of 5 RHP. If Niese is thrown in there as the #4 and we have 4 RHP Thats fine but I can’t see 5. Makes it very easy for other teams to prepare for us, whether they are all aces or not
I dont understand. How does a team prepare for that? How does having 1 LHSP change all that much?
It does a lot actually. Throws off player rest days, pcertain players that wouldn’t face us because of the pitching matchups. Im not gonna sit here and explain it. If your a baseball fan you should understand what teams and players go through to prepare for upcoming series. A rotation with all RHP or all LHP is not good, no matter how good the pitchers in the rotation may be. The last time is saw a team with a rotation like that was Seattle in 2010 with an all RHP rotation. They were losing every game
I understand it perfectly. Your logic makes no sense to me. Why would I care about how the other team prepares? If I have 5 lockdown starting pitchers that can dominate, that’s who i put out there regardless of if they are left or right handed.
Speaks to me of old school baseball thinking to have a lefty for the sake of having a lefty.
Whatever. You clearly have a different mindset than I do so no amount of arguing is really gonna change much. Point is, if I’m a manager my rotation has at least one lefty in it. I wouldn’t run out a RHP every single day of the week no matter how good the guys I have are. I do whatever i can to give other teams a different look
You would do that, why? Just because?
Like I said because you wanna givr the other teams a different look. I totally understand your point of view, wanting the best 5 guys starting no matter which way they pitch. I’d rather follow a more traditional way and try and mix up what I throw out there. If your running a righty out day after day after day there is no surprise to your team. The opposing team can just stack there lineup with lefties and try and adapt. Thats why. I like to have surprise in my rotation
Fair enough. Thanks for answering. Happy new year my friend. It’s been a nice distraction from my otherwise not so good day discussing this with you.
I’m convinced that Drew is waiting for the arod decision to be made.
If he is suspended, I could see the yanks jumping in on Drew.
He’s never played anywhere but SS. No way I see Jeter moving to 3B, so I guess Drew to 3B with Roberts/Johnson platooning at 2B.
Drew could play 3b
regardless of arod, i’m surprised the yanks haven’t done this already. spending limit be damned!
Next year’s free agent shortstops include Asdrubal Cabrera, Hardy, Hanley, Yunel Escobar and Jed Lowrie. If the Mets lock into a two- or three-year deal with Drew, overpay him they’ll miss out. For a guy who has problems staying on the field I understand their reluctance. The 2014 addition of Drew in a year where they’re likely not competing for a playoff spot, just clogs a spot that could be better filled next offseason.
Honestly, Hanley’s the only one I’d consider I sure-fire upgrade over Drew. Edit: Hardy’s likely, too, but the rest? Eh.
Yeah, but right now there aren’t many teams in on Drew. Next season, the yanks, Dodgers, Orioles, and others will all be looking for SS help. Mets can’t get into bidding wars. If they can get Drew now, you get him.
The Mets have a protected 1st round draft pick right now and signing Stephen Drew would only cost them $ and their 3rd round draft pick.
Assuming that any of those SS’s on your list even make it to free agency next year they will most likely be offered a qualifying offer from their current team and if the Mets don’t have a protected 1st round draft pick they would have to relinquish their 1st round draft pick to sign one of them.
Too many variables to hope for when they can get Stephen Drew right now on a reduced contract for only a 3rd round draft pick.
Hanley is the only one who will definitely get a QO. Do you really think that the Tampa Bay Rays will offer Escobar close to 10 million more than what he currently makes which would make him the highest paid player on the team assuming Price is gone by then. A QO would represent significant raises for all of them.
Stephen Drew got a qualifying offer, Kendry Morales got a qualifying offer. We don’t know who will or won’t get a qualifying offer, who will be resigned, who will be traded, etc. Too many variables to pin all our hopes on waiting till next year’s free agent class.
Citing them aids my point since Morales and possibly Drew would accept their QO’s if given a do-over plus Seattle wanted him back and Boston was in a position of win-win regardless of what he decided. Cleveland, Oakland, and Tampa Bay are far less likely to take the risks.
And what makes you so certain Tampa Bay (or whatever other club) is just going to let Yunel Escobar (or whatever player) leave at the end of the season in free agency without getting anything in return?
The idea of paying a SS 14-15 million depending on what the QO is. The odds of Hardy, Lowrie, Escobar, and Cabrera all being with their original teams and set to hit FA at the end of 2014 is low setting up a slightly larger recreation of the Peralta/Drew market of this year. Except that both teams and players have a better idea of the markets for non elite players tied to draft pick compensation since the QO system was changed.
Which means that a team like the Rays who know they might not be able to afford to pay Escobar at the end of the season, could trade him before the end of the season to another team who very well might make a QO to him.
Again, there are entirely too many variables for the Mets to overlook Stephen Drew right now by pinning their hopes on a “better” FA SS class next season.
If they trade him during the season, he cannot receive a QO.
There’s plenty of reasons to wait. The Mets are not a playoff team in 2014 and Drew doesn’t really change that. They’d have to overpay him in dollars and years to get him not to go back to Boston. Their better off with a year from now with a bigger SS market when they’re closer to actually competing.
Wasn’t aware that a team who trades for him during the season “can’t” make him a QO, but they could just as well extend or sign him themselves, not likely, but still a possibility.
Totally, disagree with you about Stephen Drew & the Mets. If some team swoops in and offers Drew a Peralta type deal, then so be it. No team is going to do that though, and in fact Drew will probably not even get a 3 year deal right now he is going to have to settle for a 1 or 2 year deal for probably equal to or less than he got last season. Boston is already close to the team luxury tax and isn’t going to offer much to Drew that will potentially put them over it.
Potentially getting Stephen Drew at less than market value is exactly why the Mets should take advantage of this opportunity. They have a need and this type of opportunity very well might not present itself again.
When you have as many holes as the Mets currently do you take advantage of every opportunity presented to better yourself and signing a Stephen Drew at less than market value is such an opportunity.
Drew will not go to the Mets on a 2 year deal unless the AAV is pretty large. Boston can stomach Drew returning without worrying about the luxury tax especially since they can trade Dempster or Peavy if that’s a huge concern. If he’s going to settle for less than market value, it’ll be with the team he just won a championship with. The Mets have nothing to offer him besides an overpay.
Guess we will see, I know I sure wouldn’t trade Peavy and wouldn’t be in a hurry to trade Dempster either, just to bring back Drew.
With a QO already made to Drew, Bogaerts, Middlebrooks, and a team salary that is already close to the luxury tax – the Red Sox have less reasons to offer him a 2 year deal than the Mets do.
They can afford Drew. Years is the question and 2 is fine. There’s plenty of reasons why they don’t want to be in position where Middlebrooks is depended on for anything.
Some fair points being made here. I certainly understand the point about the market being more crowded next year in terms of teams looking (and add in the Phillies as Rollins will be out there). However, part of my point — beyond the team’s not really poised to go anywhere in 2014 — is that when we talk about Drew’s signing below market value, we have to acknowledge that for shortstops this year, market value is greatly inflated from the get-go because of the paucity of talent. Next year, that ought not to be the case.
That was definitely true in the case of Peralta, but I’m not really seeing it with Drew. The draft pick compensation certainly clouds matters, but there hasn’t really been a market for Drew. It’s hard to really tell how inflated his value is since he made 9.5 last year and it’s hard to really gauge what he’s been asking for. Nothing seems to indicate that his salary spike would be like Peralta’s and his production/defensive shows that he’s at least worth a small raise over what he got.
they could be pretty competitive next year. to rule them out of the playoffs completely isn’t fair.
True, but they’re not really in a position to sell that to players with a straight face especially to Drew who’s other major suitor is the team he won a championship with. Their competitiveness as it stands now is not going to work in their favor with Drew. Money and years will.
They sign Stephen Drew and get at least ml average output from C, 1B & CF positions (possible) and they should be competitive next season.
If by competitive you mean .500 level and slightly better, I’d agree. If you mean contending for a wild card spot I’m not buying it.
Competitive being .500, and for 2014 I would gladly take .500. For 2015, Harvey comes back, Colon can be traded, Syndergaard and Montero should have locked down ML SP rotation spots, Wheeler, d’Arnaud, & Lagares should all be more experienced and the team should be ready to contend for a WC.
In Escobar’s case, I’m a little surprised the Rays aren’t shopping him right now.
If they think they can’t resign him I’m sure they will deal him before the end of the season.
I would love to see the Mets try to put together something for him now. In my view, he’s a much better value than Drew (esp. in light of the money).
The Mets can get Stephen Drew for simply $ and their 3rd round draft pick.
To get Escobar, they would have to trade somebody significant and then still try to resign him after the season was up.
Factoring in what the Mets would have to give up to get any decent SS, it makes the possibility of signing Drew for only a 3rd round draft pick and $ pretty enticing.
Just taking a closer look at Escobar. He surfaces on the free agency list, though he’s got a team option for $5M for 2015. Not sure what it would take, but you’d get two years of Escobar for less than you ‘d be paying for a single season of Drew — and without the injury-prone issues. I wonder if they’d have interest in Murphy.
You sure that team option is for 2015? Thought I saw somewhere if he gets traded the team option goes away too.
Yes. He had team options for both 2014 (excercised) and 2015 w/no buy-outs. And it looks like the options stay in place. They remained intact when the Marlins traded him to the Rays in the first place.
If the Rays have a 2015 option for $5M then why would they trade him? They would be crazy to unless they have someone coming up the pipeline to replace him with.
Which they do. Hak-Ju Lee. Top 100 level prospect ready to step up. Escobar, while being a bargain, comes with baggage and is not anyone’s favorite presence in the clubhouse.
Rays aren’t shopping him because they want to win now and he’s on a cheap contract really no point in shopping him right now.
That’s precisely WHY Drew wants a 2+ year deal, because he doesn’t want to become a FA during that fiasco. As for the Mets, they are hoping that Cecchini will be ready to take over when the contract expires, which is why they don’t want to go more than 2. Anything more than that becomes toxic and starts blocking their guys.
Lowrie is an awful SS and makes Ellsbury look like Cal Ripken Jr. Hanley will be extended, and even if he is not, him and Cabrera are in a different orbit than Drew whose main competition would be Escobar and Hardy.
I would take Drew over Escobar and Hardy. Hardy has more power but Drew has a better OBP
Also, Drew had the serious ankle injury but had been a pretty durable player before that. His main problem is he does not hit LHP’ers well .
they could always trade him, couldn’t they?
Just amazed at how many different ways Noah Syndergaard’s name could be spelled wrong in one thread. That was a fun read.
Almost as good as the Dickey/d’Arnaud trade misspellings!
The Yankees/Drew rumors are borderline silly. Drew’s offensive output is good for a shortstop and he plays stellar defense there. There’s little guarantee that he becomes a stellar third or second basemen just based off of his ability to play SS and there’s precedent to suggest that a drastic position switch might compromise his hitting.
Again, on a 3 yr deal the SS position is likely his next year when it becomes apparent Jeter can no longer field his position. It may happen as early as this year. Yankees might want to take a look at Jeter in ST before pulling the trigger, or get clarification on the Arod front, but they should be interested. His bat plays very well in YS3. Of course, Drew may wish the avoid being the guy who replaces Jeter at SS as he does not strike me as the guy who bows out graceffully, insisting he can play as he needs a wheelchair to get to SS
I’d like to see Drew back with Boston, the main reason being that although Middlebrooks has been a bit, well, disappointing, he DOES have power and this team isn’t exactly drowning in power. Ortiz and Napoli are about it. If they sign Drew and can work Middlebrooks in for 100-120 games (3B, 1B, DH) it would probably work.
There’s next to no way that Middlebrooks plays in 100-120 games for Boston in 2014 if Drew is brought back unless Ortiz and Napoli spend significant time on the DL and maybe not even that since Nava and Carp can also play 1B. He’ll likely be traded.
I think Drew ends up in Boston on a very favorable to Boston contract. I don’t see the Yankees playing unless they have an agreement in place with Jeter that he’s moving off shortstop, and that can’t happen (even if it were possible) until the A-Rod situation is resolved. The Mets don’t strike me as serious players in this. Drew improves them, but not really enough to make them into contenders. And the Mets aren’t spending money just for the heck of it.
Drew is represented by Boras and is prepared to to wait past January.
With the Yankees he would just have to wait a short while before the SS position is available. He refused that last year when offered a 1 yr deal since it would have suppressed his FA value.
If Drew did take a 1 yr deal, it would be with a team he is guaranteed to play everyday and a park that helps his numbers. Fenway was not a good park for him as he is a pull hitter and he would be 1 slump or DL stint from being a bench player since CB is MLB ready along with WMB. Not exactly the place you want to go on a 1 yr deal.
Also, signing Drew puts them over 189 and forces them to deal a SP. They might do that for Tanaka, but not Drew
If the Mets make a trade for a SS, Drew is going to get a 1 year, 6 million dollar deal. Boras would be smart to ink him before he’s down to just the BoSox.
I wonder what they are talking about…
Forget Drew…
The trade I’d like the Mets to make: Jose Reyes to the Mets with cash (21mil over 4 years) for Ruben Tejeda, Jeurys Familia, Brandon Nimmo.
Why…
Blue Jays have a commitment to Reyes carrying them through the next four seasons of 16m/22m/22m/22m/4m (buyout). Reyes is a luxury they simply can’t afford and the contract is an albatross around J.P. Riccardi’s neck. Reyes is not going to take the Blue Jays over the top next year so while ponying up 21million isn’t appealing it is more appealing than the 86 million they are currently on the hook for.
In return they get Tejada who could use a change of scenery and has potential upside and two prospects in Familia and Nimmo.
The Mets are reunited with their former shortstop and right regains his partner on the left side of the infield. Reyes is 1 year younger than Johnny Peralta who is now owed 53 mil over the next four years. The Mets get Reyes at 61 mil for the next four seasons with a buyout of 4 mil for the 5th and Reyes is a vastly better option than Stephen Drew whose offensive numbers don’t even compare to Reyes.
How is Reyes’s contract “an albatross around J.P. Riccardi’s neck” when Riccardi is in the Mets front office?
Wrote that a few months back and didn’t check… meant Alex Anthopoulos.
Jose Reyes is not coming to the Mets. The Blue Jays went all in last offseason on veterans to surround EE and JB. It didn’t pan out. But they DESTROYED their farm system to do it. If they are going to blow it up, it will cost the GM his job. And they’re certainly not going to blow it up for a couple of scrub prospects.
However, even if the Blue Jays did want to blow it up…and even if the Mets offered a much more attractive package than the garbage you’re offering…you’re still suggesting that Mets take on another huge contract when they have no budget for it. Doesn’t make sense on any level other than nostalgia.
Agreed, people really need to let the Reyes thing go. It’s been two years, it’s time to move on.
Makes perfect sense when you look at the numbers.
Reyes will be the highest paid player on the Blue Jays payroll in the coming years. Reyes will not put the Blue Jays over the top. The Blue Jays have less financial flexibility than the Mets and that contract will impact them in the coming seasons negatively.
For the Mets, with the Jays paying some of the contract (which both teams are actually inheriting from the Marlins), Reyes is a better option than anything out on the free agent market and he has proven to be a player who can succeed in the New York market.
Scrub prospects? Nothing is guaranteed in any sport. The players going back to the Blue Jays are young and under team control for a few seasons (Tejeda age 23 1FA 2018, Familia age 23 1FA 2019, Nimmo age 20). None of them could be considered ‘scrub’ in any sense of the word. Baseball Prospectus just ran something high on Familia, Tejeda could use the change of scenery and if he reverts to his 2011/2012 form is a steal, Nimmo is a a first round prospect just that not a scrub.
The Mets have the budget for Reyes at 16 mil per (money comes back in the deal). It’s not nostalgia, it’s good business sense and something that works for both the teams involved.
Just sign with the Pirates already… they need a veteran guy with championship pedigree. They’ve come too damn far to sit on their hands now. They’ll need to open the wallet a little to sign Drew, Kendrys Morales, and bring back A.J. Burnett. With these moves, they’ll make a run at the NL Central again.
Morales is a DH, he can’t play first regularly so it would be a complete waist for any NL team to sign him.
Mets need to open their eyes. Royals have Bonifacio and Butler on the block. Trading Davis and a prospect could get them a great right side of the infield. Not to mention, speed at the top and bottom of their lineup and a power bat in the middle. Sign Drew and you have an excellent infield. Free up cap space by dealing Murphy and Harvey to the Sox for Lackey and Carp.
I stopped reading when you said trade Matt Harvey…..