SATURDAY 4:54pm: The Angels and Rangers have agreed to the deal, Mike DiGiovanna of the Los Angeles Times tweets. The deal still needs to be approved by the MLBPA and by MLB, however. There are no specific indications that will be a problem, but approval might not be as automatic, particularly in the union’s case, since Hamilton has reportedly agreed to forgo salary in the trade.
12:46pm: Hamilton would receive a significant buyout if he were to excercise his opt-out, Rosenthal tweets. That makes sense — if not for a buyout, there would be few scenarios in which it would make sense for Hamilton to opt out of the $30MM he’s set to make in 2017.
12:02pm: The Rangers will take on less than $7MM of Hamilton’s contract, Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News reports. Jeff Wilson of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, meanwhile, writes that the Rangers will pay $2MM-$3MM. Hamilton will eat about $6MM of the contract himself, according to Grant, since he can make up at least some of the difference due to the fact that Texas does not have a state income tax. That means the Angels could still save $8MM-$13MM. Hamilton will also receive an opt-out clause after 2016.
FRIDAY 7:15pm: The talks are still “complex” and “volatile” and remain incomplete, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reports (Twitter links). If the deal is completed, the Rangers will take on less than $15MM and will not send any players to their division rivals.
Multiple reports indicate that the lack of state income tax in Texas is playing a role, with Bob Nightengale of USA Today tweeting that Hamilton will cede some pay to make the deal work. Hamilton’s gains through tax avoidance would, presumably, even things out (to some extent, at least) on his end.
If the proposed transaction is indeed one in which the Rangers would assume some of the contract without sending anything in return, and in which Hamilton would give up some guaranteed money, it is not hard to see the complexities. Both the league and union would surely want to take a close look at a deal of that nature.
6:16pm: The Rangers will pick up about $15MM of Hamilton’s salary, Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports tweets. Los Angeles will pay the remainder of the $83MM that he is owed.
6:10pm: The deal “has been agreed to” though there remain several “ancillary” matters to be addressed, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com tweets.
5:31pm: The Rangers are nearing a trade to acquire Josh Hamilton, T.R. Sullivan of MLB.com reports on Twitter. There is still “legal work” remaining before the deal can be finalized, but Sullivan says an announcement could come Monday.
The details of the arrangement remain unknown, but Shin-Soo Choo is not involved in the prospective trade, Bill Shaikin of the Los Angeles Times tweets. Choo had at least appeared to be a plausible piece to be included in a deal given his huge salary and rather pronounced struggles.
Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News writes that Texas would either need to have virtually all of Hamilton’s salary covered — or, would add him if and when he negotiates a release. Indeed, per another Shaikin tweet, some cash savings for the Angels may the only substantial element in the deal.
Hamilton, 33, has disappointed in Los Angeles since inking a five-year, $125MM contract before the 2013 season. He has slashed .255/.316/.426 in a Halos cap, a useful enough line but hardly enough to justify his contract. Injuries dogged Hamilton last year, who is still working back from offseason shoulder surgery.
Of course, Hamilton earned that sizeable contract with his play in Texas, where he produced at a .305/.363/.549 clip for five seasons while swatting 142 long balls. Though he did not end his stint with the team on the best off terms, Hamilton will forever be associated with the Rangers — the place where he became a star.
Do your thing Josh and get better. Cool of the Rangers to take him in, hope they help him get right.
It means they have to rehire Josh’s babysitters again.
Johnny Narron is currently a hitting coach for the LAAA AAA team, any chance he’s part of the deal? 😛
How are the fans going to welcome back after his comments about them when he left?
Well as an honest Ranger fan I can say he wasn’t wrong. He didn’t need to say it, but he wasn’t wrong in what he said.
I boo’d him on opening Day a few years back. I will cheer like hell when he steps back in the box as a Ranger. The way he left left a bad taste in most fans mouths but that was ahile ago…
What will you do when he strikes out on 3 pitches?
I wouldn’t boo him but he will have to prove himself before I cheer for him again. He better have a really good press conference on Monday to rebuild those bridges he and his wife burned. The Rangers weren’t wrong to not sign him to the kind of contract the Angels offered him.
The press conference wouldn’t have been required if they could have convinced Moreno into taking either of Fielder/Choo’s albatross deals back in exchange. I’d take the 3 short years of Hamilton and his upside over either of those 2 any day, not to mention his deal ends far sooner, thereby freeing up the cash/cap room a lot sooner.
If Fielder or Choo is involved , I’m pretty sure texas is eating the contract with the angels eating most of hamilton’s
I don’t understand the obsession in getting rid of either Choo’s or Fielder’s deal over Andrus’s or even getting rid of the first two at all. Choo can still be productive if he can stay healthy and I think too many were ready to write off Fielder at the first sign of injury and last season was his first significant injury.
It’s having a total of 60m+ committed to just those 3 alone over the next 3y and none can really be counted on.
Not knocking any of them. Hamilton will come to them as a rehab project. Choo was awful last year and Fielder always was a DH playing 1b and hasn’t put up anywhere near the numbers since signing that 200m+ deal that he did while playing with Milwaukee.
Seems that if they could have gotten Anaheim to take one of the Rangers overpaid contracts it would have been a better situation, leaving Texas to spend money in other places more beneficial to them.
I really want to to agree with you, as I thought Choo was hitting really well in the beginning of last season until his ankle was hurt and he decided to play hurt for the most of the season. But so far, the guy is going 0-4 almost every game and he’s hitting at the start of the lineup. I want to not give up on the guy, but it’s getting really hard not to!
There’s a soft cap; it’s at the point where you start paying luxury tax.
There is no cap at all.
There is differende between a soft cap and a luxury tax. The NBA utilizes a soft cap. MLB does not.
Fielder, really? The guy is hitting well above .300 witht he most RBI. Right now, Fielder is not the problem because the guy can hit. Let’s address the Fielder situation when he’s getting too old to play
Rangers would’ve matched the Angels offer had Hamilton fulfilled his agreement to do so. But Arte said take it or leave it. And Josh took it. Otherwise this would’ve been the Rangers problem all along and the Angels would be swimming in pitching depth.
Vandals Took The Handles
I’d assume fans in Dallas will feel the same about Hamilton as fans in Cleveland felt about Lebron when he returned.
I don’t ever wanna hear people say that albatross contracts are untradeable
Then someone wanna take Ryan Howard?
Lionel Bossman Craft
Tell Amaro to lower his demands.
For Howard? Everything I’ve read said they’re willing to eat $50M of his deal but no one has checked in or asked about him.
I thought it came out recently that they weren’t willing to go over $35M?
“One of those GMs was of the belief that the Phillies’ top offer was to pay about $35MM, which, Heyman speculates, may have been a large reason that the Royals opted to sign Kendrys Morales for two years and $17MM rather than pursue a Howard trade.” MLBTR
That may have been true but last month Yahoo, NBCsports, and others had articles saying they were willing to eat $50M. I think it was a report by Anthony Castrovince
Tried sending the link but it won’t, but last month a article by Anthony Castrovince said the Phillies were willing to eat $50M. The problem is they waited too long so all teams that needed a DH got one already.
Why would a team pay $10m for Howard?
There are few that are interested in him for free.
You would need a tough DH vacancy in the AL and he has little value on a bench if the team has an extra reliever.
Any chance the Mets move the Bobby Bonilla Contract?
I heard they just signed him to an extension…
Depends on the terms but I doubt anybody said that after the Rangers traded A-Rod to the Yankees.
Yeah but AROD was really good in 2004. The same can’t be said of Hamilton in 2015.
Hamilton in 2015 is an unknown, not a write-off. As for A-Rod in 2004, he may have been “really good”, but he was overpriced for what the Yankees got or the Rangers signed.
He earned every penny of that contract he signed with Texas when you look at his production from 2001-2010. It was completely reasonable when you look at how players who also made 20 million dollars a year during that time performed. That was actually perhaps the only “good” 200+ million dollar contracts ever signed. Actually that contract only lasted seven years as he opted out after 2007. He won three MVP’s in that seven years and probably should have won five.
The Angels didn’t trade the contract, just the player. They’re keeping the contract. I mean, they’re paying $68M of $80M that’s not getting rid of the contract.
I laughed so hard.
Josh for Choo!
So nobody would benafit ^_^
The Left Shark
Rangers would. Rather pay Hamilton for three than Choo for what, 6?
I realized that after I made the comment you responded to. If Anaheim took on wells contact than this possible lol
Lucky for Angels fans, Dipoto is a little better than Reagins.
These contracts………Wells, Pujols, Hamilton were all ownership level deals that Moreno at least signed off on. He’s still in charge.
True, although I trust Dipoto to at least make better decisions when bringing potential deals to Moreno’s desk.
Better if Andrus.
My word Andrews contract is horrid. Every all glove little bat shortstop should ask for Andrews deal
I don’t know about better…and I actually enjoy watching Andrus because he has fun playing;however, his contract is a big hindrance.
I can’t stand to watch Andrus play…never have. I watch him as a baserunner and a fielder and it seems like he just isn’t thinking sometimes in his steal attempts or fielding decisions. I’ve seen him bungle more plays at SS than I feel he should given the money being invested in him.
Can we give them CJ back too?
CJ’s been great for us. What are you talking about? o.O
Yeah, 6.69 ERA down the stretch last year and 4.51 overall isn’t what I’d call “great”.
Blah blah blah
“It’s one of those things where Texas, especially Dallas, has always
been a football town,” Hamilton said in the interview. “So the good with
the bad is they’re supportive, but they also got a little spoiled, at
the same time, pretty quickly. You can understand like a really true,
true baseball town — and there are true baseball fans in Texas – but
it’s not a true baseball town.”
-Josh Hamilton, 2013
So basically, he’s saying that Dallas likes their football more. And this is a big deal because…?
That’s what I’m saying lol. He didn’t say anything outrages or bashful to the fans.
Spoken like a true Yankees fan…
Not sure what a Yankee fan has to do with that comment?
Blah blah blah
You must have missed the last couple of years. Rangers fans rallied around that statement. Again, ” but it’s not a true baseball town.” You can’t say that as a baseball player about the city you played in…
So what happens now? The fans boycott the Rangers? They put up a blockade in front of the stadium so he cant get in? Please. Fans will get over it if he produces. And if he doesn’t, well all the more fodder to boo him.
I agree, it’s sad to see no one at the Ranger games anymore either. If we were a true baseball town, the fans would come tot he games win or lose.
As someone who lives in DFW I can say this statement is 100% accurate.
As a diehard Rangers fan, he’s completely right. However, I also think he shouldn’t have said that. We have to accept Josh, if the fans aren’t behind him at the games, that’s not going to help him at all.
For Gallo? 🙂
Slightly Biased A's Fan
LOL I imagine they are basically giving Hamilton away and eating some of his contract in return for a C level prospect maybe worse
Lolz, I’d take that!
No, but you might have to throw in Mike Trout and pay most of his salary as well.
Knowing Daniels, he just might give them Gallo and Gonzalez :/
Texas is not going to get better from this trade. They let him go for a reason ya know
In the absence of all information… be absolutely certain in your opinions!
Blah blah blah
The reason was money. Now, with Angels likely covering a lot of it, that reason is gone.
It also depends who Texas flips back
I would do bad contract for bad contract, Hamilton for Choo with the angels eating most of the contract, and some of Choo’s
Desperation move for the Rangers, everyone is injured that plays left so why not take a chance on him
who on earth would the rangers give the angels for hamilton?
Fielder or Choo lol
If the angels could get choo? Id take it
The Choo signing had epic fail written all over it
It will be practically nothing more than likely. I’d say the Angels are gonna eat around 60MM of his contract, and the Rangers will take the rest of it on. No need for the Rangers to give up anything significant, otherwise the deal wouldn’t be made.
I’d hope maybe Andrus to swap bad contracts, but otherwise, I hope just maybe a prospect and the Rangers get money back–strictly a chance for Arte to ship Josh away and not have to eat 100% of his remaining contract…just maybe 80%.
That would be dumb, I think. They don’t have anyone to replace Andrus, and they should be able to get someone better in return than a washed up Hamilton.
Would it be? A recent article confirmed what I’ve believed all along: Andrus is the worst shortstop in baseball. Honestly, the Rangers would be better off with a journeyman infielder like Rosales taking over at shortstop until they can sign someone or make a trade for somebody better.
I don’t know, I said maybe fielder , choo or beltre, but the angels need somebody to play left field, because joyce and cowgil are not getting it done.
Why? God, Texas really misses Nolan Ryan. Ron Washington was the main reason Josh did so well, he personally babysat him; now that he’s gone idk if that will still be the case. Good for the Angels, getting rid of a bad contract and clubhouse poison, but the rangers are just digging a deeper hole.
I’m not aware of Hamilton being a clubhouse poison….. He has never had that reputation, at least not in recent years.
Wash never babysat Josh. They hired a sober companion for him and also had guys like Ian Kinsler meeting him in bars trying to keep him out of trouble.
Ron Washington had his own demons and Josh is a big boy. He doesn’t need a babysitter.
If you can trade this guy, without a doubt you can move ARod
Arod is still better than Josh lol
Lionel Bossman Craft
A-Rod has an OBP of over .400 so far this season with 5HR which is better then most.
Us yankee fans are tired of the witch hunt and are supporting him. His work ethic is showing big time along with his god given talent
Geez, nobody remembers that the Rangers already moved ARod…to the Yankees.A Rod is still hitting .265, isn’t he? Is that so bad?
ARod is hitting well. Why would you want to?
I’m thinking since Choo and fielder have more years left on their contract over Josh maybe that’s why the Rangers want him ?
If the angels could get choo out of this deal , i would take it
You think Choo would produce ?
Maybe , change of scenery. I think Choo would be better then what cowgil and joyce is doing
Steven, you can have Choo for the love of God, please take Choo with you.
~a rangers fan
I’m not sure how well Ranger fans will receive this. Wow.
depends on how much the angels are eating + what they give up
If Yankee fans forgave A-rod im sure they’ll forgive Josh
Blah blah blah
time heals all wounds. Though 2 years may not be enough…
Yankee fans have been cheering A-Rod, so I don’t think ranger fans should have a problem
Slightly Biased A's Fan
I hope he crushes the Angels with Tex.
He probably will
still a good deal for the Angels.
What’s going to be funny is when Hamilton hits a couple bombs against the A’s and the Angels win the West because of it.
He hasn’t show the ability to “crush” much of anything for a few years now.
Texas is a good fit. I hope he gets healthy and gets himself back on track. I’m rooting for the guy.
What other teams would be good fits? Cincinnati? I would think it would have to be some team that accepted him before.
Not surprised they’re trading him, but I am surprised the Rangers are the recipients. As an Angels fan, I am so thankful that the Rangers are going to take ANY of the contract.
but how much of the contract do the angels have to eat? I was hoping that arte moreno and josh could work this out and he can play with the angels but arte don’t want him
Anything works for me!
How about bad contract for bad contract, choo for hamilton and work out on how much the teams eat
I wouldn’t want that deal. Just get rid of Hamilton and take on no guaranteed contracts. Maybe a relief prospect in A ball.
Anaheim would be stupid to do that trade as Choo has more years left on his contact
with texas eating most of the contract and the angels eating most of hamiltons contract, right now the angels need a left fielder who can hit because right now cowgil and joyce are not getting it done
Who cares about YEARS? It’s about dollars. Choo is owed 6/$116M. Hamilton is owed 3/$83M.
You are getting Choo for 3/$33M (which may still be too much). I’d do this deal if I’m the Angels contingent on Texas kicking in another $15M or so.
The money going in either direction is only speculation at this point
Angels are probably gonna end up eating most of Hamilton’s contract and receive a low level prospect
A perfect situation for Hamilton, going back to the environment and atmosphere that he knows best
I’d almost like to see Hamilton use his no trade clause and force the Angels to pay him every cent. They really didn’t handle the whole situation with a lot of class, and it’s tough to lose the “lack of class” war with the guy doing coke in the offseason.
I get where you are coming from but Josh Hamilton still lives in Arlington, Texas and had great success there both on the field and off the field. I think he would prefer to get back to his roots.
1. The “situation” was a highly paid and trusted employee engaged in a felonious act by using cocaine.
2. His abuse of narcotics can certainly impact his ability to perform at his job.
3. His abuse may lead directly to the company suffering a loss of nearly $100M.
If you are a business owner and your employee costs you $100M I doubt you would treat them with “class” regardless of why or what they did. It’s real easy to be generous with others money but when it’s your own I’m guessing you wouldn’t be so forgiving.
The only one to blame for costing the Angles $125MM is the Angels…for signing Josh Hamilton for $125MM. They made the deal, and then they very publicly showed that they wanted to do everything they could to weasel out of their agreement, because he wasn’t performing up to expectations. When that didn’t work out in their favor, they very publicly complained about how unfair it was that they weren’t able to weasel out of their agreement.
If Hamilton was healthy and hit 40 HR last year, this wouldn’t even be a story – other than how soon can he come back off the DL and help the Angels.
Hamilton signed a contract with a drug clause. HE violated the contract by using drugs. HAMILTON gave them the excuse by not living up to his end of the agreement. Hamilton is the horse, the Angels are the cart.
…and it turns out that clause is useless under the current CBA. That’s why the Angels will still be paying out the full amount of his contract, minus the small portion the Rangers pick up.
The Angels saw this whole thing as nothing else but an opportunity to reward themselves and get out of the bad contract they signed. They couldn’t. Good.
Its amazing that the Union approved the contract, yet NOW is saying that the drug language doesn’t apply. Shouldn’t they have NOT approved it because of the language? I understand the Angels and Moreno being pithed at this. I also understand not wanting the Player that violated that language (regardless of the Union opinion). A Team should stand up for its values. I applaud them for taking action, even though they cannot get out of the contract. The Angels are putting their money where their mouth is, by dumping Hamilton, even though they could use an outfielder, and will have to pay over 90% of his contract.
Pujols better watch his back with that .185 AVG he’s sporting right now. I’m sure the Angels are looking for a way to “stand up for their values” and try to dump the $189MM remaining on his contract too.
Although it is funny how the Angels suddenly found these righteous values once Hamilton started to decline in his skills. His past drug use didn’t seem to bother them one bit when he was a mega star on the free agent market. If you hit .285 with 43 HRs, the Angles don’t really have any values.
It bothered them enough to protect themselves with contract language which THE UNION APPROVED. Those values were there from the day Hamilton signed. They weren’t “trying to dump the $189MM remaining on his contract” when he was playing below his skills. They attempted to dump him, when he admitted he violated his contract by using drugs. If you see them treating someone with a smaller contract differently, let me know. Until then, I see consistency from the Angels.
I think this could end up similar to A.J. Burnett just pitching like crap in Philly but well in Pittsburgh. As long as the Rangers don’t give up anything I support it, lord knows the Rangers need something.
So… huh? Is he gonna DH for them or something? From what I’ve seen the past couple of years from Hamilton, I’d venture to say that Rua is a better major league hitter at this point. I’m rather surprised by this announcement.
Edison Volquez in the mix?
Daniels’ mindframe “Well, let’s take on more money, shall we?”
B level prospects(rangers)for Hamilton and plus cash from the Angels.
To much, Angels are not getting any significant prospect back. If they want anyone that will most likely ever contribute to the MLB roster it will have to be in the form of another bad contract
In the offseason, I thought jon daniels laughed saying he wasn’t taking hamilton back.
haha, I think you’re right, I forgot about that!
Yep, looking like Josh to Texas for some small cash relief. That’s pretty much all Arte can hope for these days.
Texas needs someone who can hit lefties, though, not a human windmill. I actually got tired of watching him in his last year here. He has such a terrible approach at the plate against lefties.
Makes you wonder if an albatross contract of either Elvis Andrus, Prince Fielder, or Shin-Soo Choo is to be expected in a trade with the Angels.
With the rangers eating the contract, then it’s a win for the angels
Where does it say Rangers are eating the contract?
I’m just making speculation
I think it’s more likely the other way around, I don’t see why the Rangers would possibly eat the contract to take him on.
I ment if the rangers trade Choo or Fielder , well whoever the rangers decide to trade.
I would really be surprised if they were to eat any money in a deal involving Hamilton though, the Angels really don’t have the leverage to push for much more than salary relief at this point.
They need somebody to play left field because right now joyce and cowgil are not getting it done, I miss Peter Bourjos and Hunter.
I don’t think this is going to be the trade to address that honestly, it’s more about moving on from the situation they’re in than anything else.
Choo is the only one that makes sense. Fielder is actually hitting a bit, and Andrus doesn’t have a backup with Profar out and Sardinas gone. But they are saying Choo isn’t in the deal?
He should be in the deal with the rangers eating most of the contract, if it’s not either choo or fielder, how about beltre
I ver highly doubt the Angels will be getting any useful player back, and the Rangers can’t afford to eat much salary. Honestly it’s probably a handful of millions and a throw-in prospect, with the only benefit being that the Angels didn’t have to outright release him. Arte wants him gone, and looks like he is putting his money where his mouth is.
No way – Beltre is the trade chip in July that should bring in 2 top tier prospects at least.
Why wouldn’t Fielder be hitting? He was only bad last year and he was hurt.
Yes – my point was “Fielder is actually hitting,” which means he’s the one guy in their lineup at the moment who is producing.
B prospects no big names getting traded
I hope they are “C” prospects, truthfully.
Christopher A. Otto
Just don’t get LA paying Hamilton to play for Texas the next three seasons. A swap of bad contracts could have at least given LA a chance to have something to show for their huge payout.
Makes you wonder if the Angels will have give up one or more good prospects in order to entice the Rangers in taking Hamilton and much of his contract.
They probably will have to or they eat most of the contract.
There better be a decent amount of cash coming the Angels way. There’s no reason to trade Hamilton for nothing, they could use any offense he has left.
Remember when Josh Hamilton said that Dallas was not a baseball town? That should make the fans love this trade!!!
He didn’t say it elegantly, and he probably should have just kept his mouth shut, but what he said wasn’t wrong. Actually, the biggest problem I see with DFW fans is that they are somewhat entitled, and they get pretty whiny when their teams don’t win. They also treated Ron Washington like crap during his tenure, which always seemed pretty messed up to me considering he was more successful than any other coach in their history.
Wonder if it had anything to do with Washington’s drug use?
I love it. The Rangers get Hamilton back and only have to pay less than 20% of his salary going forward.
If they’re lucky, they’ll get 20% of what Hamilton was in Texas.
I don’t really get this trade. Wouldn’t it make more sense just to keep him instead of eating almost the whole contract?
He’s not THAT bad.
After the team turned on Josh, he was either going to be released or traded. This way angels at least save some money
No way possible he could have stayed after the Angel’s abysmal handling on the situation. It was either release him and lose all of the money or trade him and salvage a small portion of it.
Voice of Reason
You mean the rangers will pay $15 million a year of the contract or $15 million of the total amount?
Looks like $15 mil period. The Angels are the undisputed kings of bad contracts.
Lionel Bossman Craft
Phillies aren’t far behind.
So will there be players involved other than Hamilton?
If you ask me the Rangers deserve prospects for taking on 15 million dollars.
I’m guessing Hamilton will take out an ad in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram that reads “Uh, no hard feelings?”
I forgot about Choo in Texas… another Scott Boras special.
I swear the MLB runs a charity for Baseball Players.
They not only pay them ‘BIG’ money, but they guarantee the contract.
Which is brilliant if you ask me.
In seriousness though is this the best thing for Hamilton? I thought he thumbed his nose at the Rangers on the way out of town if I remember correctly.
It was his soon to be ex-wife doing most of the jawing. He did though say that Arlington was not a baseball town and the fans cared more about football. Hamilton will most likely be assigned another accountability buddy to help babysit him. This does show the character of the Angels organization. Declining to help a player that openly admitted his mistake is the complete opposite of what should be done.
The Ghost of Bobby Bonilla
Agreed. Whatever you think of Hamilton, he at least raised his hand and said he needed help and the Angels completely threw him under the bus. What player in their right mind would ever play for that organization? Moreno has to be the worst owner in all of sports now that Sterling sold the Clippers.
Yes, I did violate a 83 MM contract with your organization, that contained specific language about drug abuse, because of my past indiscretions. Please forgive me and treat me with charity ( yes, I still expect my $83 MM).
Arte Moreno must have hated Josh’s guts to make this deal happen. Was there any other precedent that teams had to eat more than what the Angels agreed to eat ($65M+) for trading players?
at a loss for words regarding the entire ordeal from day one…
well, looks like it’s a done deal
Diego M. Cardoso
Rangers will be stuck with Choo…. no team will take that contract.
Like the Braves were stuck with Uptons contract? Jays with Wells? Cubs with Soriano, Jays with Rios, Redsox with Crawford and Gonzalez?
And people were mad when I said I didn’t want Choo on my team weeks before he signed
This is shortsighted and foolish on the Angels’ part.
If Hamilton is any good at all, they just helped a division rival to save what, $15 million over 3 years? That might be a lot of money to Oakland, but it should be nothing to them. That’s barely enough to pay for a middle reliever on the free agent market.
He wasn’t that terrible last year. As talented an athlete as Hamilton is, it’s entirely possible he can have a decent season in a part-time role.
This isn’t really a baseball trade. Arte Moreno wants him gone. It may still be a poor move, but questioning the return doesn’t really factor in. They don’t particularly care.
Precisely. This isn’t a baseball move, this is a “we don’t want to deal with this anymore” move.
This feels too much like getting back with an ex. Never do it.
Angels really don’t benefit much by just getting 15mm in salary relife over 3 years. Hamilton has been a league average hitter when healthy; he’s not worth the contract they gave him but the Angels will still be paying most of that contract anyway. Desperate move to rid themselves of Hamilton.
If it’s true the angels eat $83mm that’s an awful lot of money to eat to get rid of one player and getting no players on return.
Might as well cut bait while they can. Let the circus move on to the next town.
If this deal really is contingent upon Hamilton forfeiting money, I can’t imagine the MLBPA lets it slide. Is there any precedent for that? The closest I can think of is deferring money without interest.
They clearly just wanted to rid themselves of any connection to Hamilton, which was necessary after things went down between both sides. I’d say too bad that they couldn’t do anything else to recoup more of that money, but I don’t really feel bad for them.
Allow me to make a random observation. Here’s over $80M worth of contract just being surrendered for about 20 cents on the dollar, with nothing coming back in return. But MLB still has no money to improve minor league conditions, still plays service time games, still needs taxpayer subsidies, still locks down amateur players. And we fans…well most of us seem to be much more riled up about Hamilton’s salary, and much less concerned about the functional disparities built into the system.
“Umm….yes, I’d like to return this please. I think it’s broken.”
Actually, they know its broken.
“Receipt please or you get a store credit.”
The Ghost of Bobby Bonilla
MLB needs an amnesty buyout option like the NHL & NBA. One per team so teams can rid themselves of the Justin Verlanders, Ryan Howards, Nick Swishers and Josh Hamiltons of the league.
Why don’t they just stop giving the Verlanders, Howards, Swishers and Hamiltons of the league this kind of contract?
The easiest way to avoid paying dead money to people who aren’t worth it, is to not promise it to them in the first place.
Instead of saying, sure Josh, we’ll give you $125 million. Just say..no Josh, we aren’t giving you $125 million.
Its easy to look back and say they are not worth their contracts, but you have to look at how the player was valued when he signed his contract. Example Verlander was considered the best pitcher in baseball and signed for the highest deal among any pitcher at the time.
Verlander I can definitely concede. Although he had a big amount of innings on his arm, he was arguably the best in the game at the time.
Fangraphs a little while ago did some analysis on big money contracts and the results weren’t pretty. Hopefully this recent trend of locking up early to mid prime type players, is a sign teams are starting to figure out how to balance cost to future production ratios, not past.
Good in theory I guess. Maybe I’m wrong and guys like RAJ, Moreno etc are actually geniuses!
At the time Hamilton was seen as a mediocre talent full of weaknesses and holes along with a personality capable of dividing a clubhouse. He wasn’t an “elite” outfielder when he was given 125m.
Instead of saying, sure Josh, we’ll give you $125 million. Just say..no Josh, we aren’t giving you $125 million.
That’ll probably only work if the owners all colluded to do it. If they’re all in competition against one another for a finite amount of elite players, then someone is gonna break the collusion pact and give a player some crazy deal.
Heck, if there’s not collusion to do otherwise, it might be a strategic advantage for one team to set an artificially-high market value for players so it forces the competition to pay it in the future. Several years ago, Ford– who at the time had lower human labor costs than GM– agreed to a somewhat generous deal with the UAW, knowing that GM would have to deal with that kind of precedent during its next contract negotiation.
The smart teams didn’t give him money, and then the Angels did. It says more about the Angels than the other franchises. Everyone else knew it was a bad idea, and he was the type of player would would hit a wall. If you look at him closely, you can see he already hit the wall before becoming a free agent. He’s the type of guy who should have been given 4 years 60m, not 5 years 125.
Ryan Howard case is even worse. He had two bad seasons, with several years still on contract, and was given an extension. That………… That makes no sense.
Hamilton signed as a Free Agent, and unlike the BJ Upton contract, I have never heard that the next highest offer was only half the amount he signed for. The Angels were only a little “smarter” than the next bidder.
Uh they still pay the contracts. It just doesn’t count against the cap, are you asking to have a cap in baseball?
Maybe in Texas he will turn back into the old Josh Hamilton. I like him. He doesn’t seem like a bad person.
That’s what the Angels said when they signed him.
For the Angels, $83 million of regret, is better than $98 million of mess.
Its actually 68 mil with the rangers taking 15 mil
You can definitely see how much effort I put into comprehension earlier today. Good work, Sir.
Honest question but was it Hamilton who talked trash about his former team?
Melvin Mendoza, Jr.
He basically just said Dallas/Arlington was not a baseball town and he angered a lot of fans. I think it was kind of overblown personally, but he should have known it was a dumb thing to say.
but it wasn’t a false statement…
Melvin Mendoza, Jr.
I never said it was?
I realize that. Many got hung up on something that is in fact true. I didn’t proclaim you as one of them.
The union will not allow him to lose any money on the deal because it would set a precedent. It’s the same reason A Rod wasn’t traded to the Red Sox because the union wasn’t allowing him to give up some of his guarantee money.
Looks like he’s getting two things of value–the lower tax rate, and the opt out. That gives them the figleaf to stay on the sidelines
but the union will not allow him to set a precedent. Reyes wants out of Toronto so should he take less money and go elsewhere. Union won’t allow that even if it’s in Reyes best interest health wise
This situation is far from done, one feels.
This makes me very happy.
I hope Josh gets back on track.
He’s a Texas Rangers. Great trade by Texas.
Says a lot about their organization.
Paving the way to make a big splash one one of the free agent starters next year? I agree with this move, Angels had to do something…
If $5M is enough to make a big splash on free agent starters… either we’re in the 90’s, or EVERY team is going to make a big splash with a free agent starter…
For the Rangers for $7MM it’s a no lose deal.
Lionel Bossman Craft
Unless hr becomes a distraction. I got to imagine they have a lot of young players on the roster with all their injuries. But even then they could release him and be on the hook for hardly anything. $7 million isn’t much for a rebuilding club.
Still an above average hitter. If he can get his personal stuff together this deal could be a huge steal. It’s too bad the Angels burned their bridges this way. You have to think they could have gotten a better deal than this if they hadn’t.
They could have just done what the Yankees are doing with A-Rod, grit their teeth and let him play. I don’t know what harm it would have done to them–his value couldn’t possibly be much lower right now. But I guess they just didn’t want to deal with it. Not all that different that Melvin, I suppose, in terms of contract.
There’s a key difference between the A-Rod situation and this one. A-Rod was itching to get back on the field and play some ball – the Yankees knew he would give it everything – for his ego and his bonuses.
Hamilton? He may not even be back on the wagon yet, and no one knows where Baseball fits in the cycle he’s part of.
At least the Yankees knew when A-Rod would be taking swings. The Angels didn’t know if Baseball was step 2, step 5 or not a step at all.
You’re right in saying – the Angels probably just don’t want to deal with it. They have to spend a lot of money on him either way, might as well move on now.
I just can’t believe that no one offered more than this. $7MM over 2.5 seasons is apparently all they’re taking on. I mean, wow. That’s so little money in today’s game for a guy who will still give you an above average OPS+ with some power. I don’t know what the Angels are thinking here. Treating him as a sunk cost to save about $3-4MM a season, and trading him to a division rival no less.
He signs a large contract, fails to control his actions causing him to relapse and now might receive a buy out? If he had any integrity at all he would not accept a buy out, apologize to LA and their fans and move on to a fresh start in Texas.
i read somewhere that texas was decimated with injuries but is this the best option. i guess that it is a kinda’ cheep option. good luck!
Maybe I didn’t read the article well enough but what was traded? Salary?
As long as he isn’t a disruption in the club house, this seems like a good deal for the Rangers.
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Why won’t they report who the Angels are set to acquire if the terms of the deal are already agreed upon?
They are getting no one?
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Is it really a trade if one side receives nothing in return, or is it a donation?
A little salary relief. Instead of paying Josh all of the contract, they are paying him nearly all of it.
Still, better than all of it.
as of right now, no.
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I guess it is for “cash considerations” per se.
Hamilton has always been a good hitter away from Anaheim and a great hitter in Texas. The only thing that’s changed is he’s spent more time in Anaheim and less time in Texas. For the money, I’m okay with the risk for the Rangers.
I’m not sure this is going to get by the Players Association if Hamilton has to give up cash. They have been pretty stubborn about not letting players do that. I know this is a special situation but the Players Association has worked hard to not open that can of worms. Can anyone remember a player giving guaranteed money back in a trade?
I could retire on what Hamilton was going to pay in State Tax to California this year.
If the MLBPA refuses this trade then they are showing it truly is about the almighty dollar and not the well being of the players they represent. While understandable that they want top dollar for the players in this case Hamilton would be far more likely to find the solace and help he deserves within an organization that has helped him in the past that with an organization that is willing to throw him under the proverbial bus. As an Angels fan myself I find Moreno’s actions quite foolhardy. He is the anti Gene Autry who could give one lick on the fans only what he wants for himself.
Hamilton needs another 3 months in rehab…. Not just a new city/team to stress out in..