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AL West Notes: Rangers, Beimel, Taylor, Weaver, A’s

By Steve Adams | May 4, 2015 at 10:44am CDT

The Rangers are off to an 8-16 start this season, and GM Jon Daniels says that while some minor changes could be made this week, the team is “not going to going to wait too much longer before we consider mixing it up further,” writes Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News. Daniels didn’t specify what would constitute a more significant shakeup, but Grant speculates on three scenarios: demoting second baseman Rougned Odor, benching a struggling “core” player (i.e. Elvis Andrus) and/or replacing hitting instructor Dave Magadan.

Here’s more from the AL West…

  • The Mariners last night announced the demotions of righty Yoervis Medina and lefty Tyler Olson to Triple-A Tacoma, and while no official word has been released on the corresponding roster moves that will follow, Bob Dutton of the Tacoma News Tribune reports that signs point to Chris Taylor and Joe Beimel joining the club. Taylor was batting Brad Miller for the everyday shortstop role in Spring Training before a fractured wrist sidelined him for four to six weeks. He’s hitting .313/.385/.475 in Triple-A this season and could either serve as a platoon partner for the lefty-swinging Miller or eventually push him for more regular playing time. Beimel inked a Minor League pact in April after unsuccessfully holding out for a more lucrative big league deal this winter. Beimel isn’t on the 40-man roster, so a 40-man move will need to be made, though I’d imagine that could entail simply moving southpaw Edgar Olmos to the 60-day DL, as he’s already been on the 15-day DL since March 30.
  • In the latest edition of his 10 Degrees column, Yahoo’s Jeff Passan notes that Angels righty Jered Weaver’s fastball is averaging an alarming 83-84 mph (depending on whether one uses Baseball Info Solutions’ data or Brooks Baseball). Either way, the concern over his fastball is justified, as Passan points out that 120 of the 122 pitchers that throw four-seam fastballs have an average velocity higher than Weaver’s peak velocity of 87.81 mph this year. Weaver is averaging just 3.9 K/9 and has whiffed three or fewer hitters in all but one of his starts this season, en route to a 6.29 ERA. “Reinvention is the only way to save Weaver,” Passan opines, unless he, like righties Mike Pelfrey and Chris Young before him, is experiencing such a precipitous decline due to injury. (Young, like Weaver, never threw particularly hard in the first place and may be a more apt comparison.)
  • Struggles in the Athletics’ bullpen have the team pondering roster moves, writes Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle. One option is switch-pitcher Pat Venditte, who has performed well at Triple-A since signing a Minor League deal this offseason. However, he’s not on the 40-man roster, and space is tight after claiming Alex Hassan off waivers for a staggering third time in the past several months. Slusser writes that when first baseman Nate Freiman is activated from the DL later this month, the team may try to sneak him through waivers to remove him from the 40-man but keep him in the organization. She also notes that southpaw Drew Pomeranz could be bullpen-bound when Jarrod Parker is activated from the DL and reinserted into the rotation.
  • I’ll add a note on the surprising division leaders — the 18-7 Astros. Houston is the only club in the AL West with a record above .500 and, as the Chronicle’s Evan Drellich pointed out (Twitter link), they now rank as probables to make the playoffs looking at both Fangraphs’ and Baseball Prospectus’ postseason odds. However, outside of the excellent work provided by Collin McHugh and Dallas Keuchel, the team has received a collective 5.05 ERA from Scott Feldman, Sam Deduno, Brad Peacock, Asher Wojciechowski and Roberto Hernandez in the final three spots in the rotation. Given the club’s early lead, Brett Oberholtzer’s health and the struggles of Dan Straily at Triple-A, I’d wonder if the ’Stros would be open to pursuing an early rotation upgrade in an attempt to make their grip on the division more sustainable. Few teams are actively selling pieces this early in the season, but the Brewers are reportedly open to trade proposals, and Houston could look to clubs that have more serviceable arms than slots in the rotation. Given the lack of quality innings at the back of the Astros’ rotation, the team needn’t add an elite arm in order to acquire a significant upgrade. While this is all speculation, history has shown GM Jeff Luhnow to be aggressive on the trade market. Names like Kyle Lohse, Matt Garza and Dillon Gee have all been floated on the rumor mill lately, and it’s not hard to envision the Rays soon having a surplus of arms once Alex Cobb and, eventually, Matt Moore are healthy. For Astros fans that really want to dream big, the argument could be made that there is in Houston both the need and the means (in terms of prospects and finances) to take on a significant portion of Cole Hamels’ contract, though the asking price could very well exceed Houston’s comfort level.
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48 Comments

  1. Leon Barry

    10 years ago

    I’m not for anyone losing their job, but Dave Magadan is awful. He either is teaching this nonsensical zero-patience approach or he is completely ineffective at implementing something else.

    Reply
    • Daniel Morairity

      10 years ago

      He is a good hitting coach its early i get it but we dont need to fire him or banister. Demoting odor wont do anything good and putting elvis on the bench wont help either. Their pitching staff is iffy this year except for nick martinez, and the veteran players in their lineup(Ex: Beltre, Fielder, Choo) need to be more patient at the plate and wait for their pitch to hit because all they are doing is swinging pitches out of the strike zone. Here are two things:
      1. Go after Cole Hamels
      2. When Josh Hamilton is healthy in the minors, then you call him up
      If they do those two things they should get off on the right track

      Reply
      • Steven Garrison

        10 years ago

        No pitching for the rangers, I see them moving beltre at the deadline

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        • Daniel Morairity

          10 years ago

          beltre will not be move jd made it clear that he will not move beltre and they need hamels and this rangers team needs to step up

          Reply
      • oz10 2

        10 years ago

        It’s early? You realize he was our hitting instructor for last year too? He has proven to be an ineffective hitting coach.

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        • Daniel Morairity

          10 years ago

          Yes I know that but I said its early and jd commented today that he was going to take a crucial look over the course of this road tripbthat the rangers are on

          Reply
  2. The Ring Empire

    10 years ago

    Averaging 83-84 and a peak of 87?!?!? Man oh man that’s some serious weak stuff.

    Reply
  3. Sleeper

    10 years ago

    Maybe it’s time Weaver thinks about taking on a knuckle ball? 83-84 on average is very,very alarming by anyone’s standards, even if he’s never had that power fastball, and Dickey did pretty well to reinvent himself by adding the pitch. Weaver is the type of guy that I think could use it pretty effectively, he’s always been more of a pitcher than a hard thrower(which I love, by the way).That’s not to say that it’s a sure fire fix, just seems like nothing could hurt right now.

    Reply
    • Brewblaz

      10 years ago

      Cxz….it surely appears, Weaver needs to do someting rather quickly or his career is in serious jeopardy.

      Reply
    • Vandals Took The Handles

      10 years ago

      Because pitching speed can be measured and is easily comprehended, it has become a stat that people rely on in evaluating pitchers along with looking at the players strikeout rate. MLB is not 10 year-old little league baseball – strikeout or walk. I want to know if his ball ls moving on all his pitches; if he’s hitting or missing spots; and if he’s moving the ball around. All pitchers lose some speed after age 22-23, and a lot more in their late 20’s. But the quality veteran pitchers are more productive as they get older as they become better at keeping batters off balance and setting them up.

      Weaver has been losing speed for years and has adapted and kept winning. He doesn’t get much movement on his fastball, and that is what he’ll have to work with the Angels coaching staff to modify.

      Reply
      • TheRealRyan 2

        10 years ago

        A specific velocity in and of itself might not be important, but strike out rate is very important. The less strike outs, the more balls that are put in play. The more balls in the play, the more that will fall for hits and lead to more runs allowed. If Weaver is able to keep his strike out rate up while having his velocity drop it wouldn’t be a problem. However, seeing his much lower velocity correspond to a strike out rate under 10% of PA is a very bad sign for him.

        Reply
  4. Vandals Took The Handles

    10 years ago

    When the Rangers happily took on Josh Hamilton – even at a discount price – it was pretty clear that they had moved into desperate territory.

    Reply
    • Brewblaz

      10 years ago

      Vandals…Exactly, that move made no sense, it surely was a gift to the Angels, just getting Hamilton & his distractions out of the clubhouse.

      Reply
      • Vandals Took The Handles

        10 years ago

        This distraction was bad as the 2015 season approached. But what really hurt was the production in 2014. He had some nice stretches, but he simply couldn’t carry his weight – let alone one from a guy making $25M….or whatever. Rangers are really reaching hoping he becomes even 75% of what he was.

        Reply
        • Sleeper

          10 years ago

          If he can produce even like he had in his time with the Angels while he was on the field, it would be enough for Texas considering how little investment they’ve got into him, it’s not as if he’s up against stiff competition production wise right now. That being said, there’s plenty else for the Rangers to be worried about. Awful health fortune, lacking performance almost all the way around, it’s shaping up to be another rough year, and I think we’ll see both Texas and Milwaukee selling early if neither rights the ship in the next month.

          Reply
          • Brewblaz

            10 years ago

            Cxz….it’s already been rumored that the Brewers are looking to move Garza & Lohse. Teams looking for # 3rd or 4th starters, could find either helpful.
            Eg….Dodgers,Jays,Tigers,Astros etc.

            Reply
            • Vandals Took The Handles

              10 years ago

              The problem there is – the Brewers want quality prospects back. The Rangers will probably not be playoff contenders this year and if they somehow sneak in, they hardly can be considered serious WS contenders. Trading off quality prospects assures they won’t be getting better in ensuing years. I’d suggest the Rangers are in desperate mode trying to look half-way respectable for their fans until they can get some of their young prospects up and make a few trades for more prospects.

              Hamilton was perfect because he fills a crowd-pleasing need. Odds are that he isn’t going to produce much, and that’s fine. If somehow a miracle occurs and Hamilton breaks out, then maybe the Rangers can finish 4th in the ALW instead of 5th.

              Reply
              • Brewblaz

                10 years ago

                Vandals…I think you’re analogy of the Brewers and Rangers is correct. In the offseason the Brewers & Rangers made what I thought was a strange trade, the Rangers picking up a Gallardo for 3 prospects.
                The Rangers must have erroneously perceived themselves as contenders, and the Brewers correctly in rebuild mode. Yet both teams seemed to want to have it both ways; contend & rebuild at same time.
                Now they’re both in pickle, particularly the Rangers stuck in the middle, while the Brewers with several players many teams would want, can start to rebuild in earnest.

                Reply
    • 0vercast

      10 years ago

      Am I the only one here that thinks Josh might actually pound the heck out of the ball now that he’s back in his old stomping grounds?

      I wouldn’t say ‘probably’, but I’d definitely go as far as to say ‘possibly’. It’s certainly possible he has a couple good years left.

      Reply
  5. MadmanTX 2

    10 years ago

    AL West back to being AL Worst again. It would be hilarious to see the Astros win the division–it might be a monument to the penny-pinching by new owner Crane over the bad contracts given out by all the other AL West teams (except Oakland, I guess).

    Reply
    • Brewblaz

      10 years ago

      Madman..The Astros have been slowly been improving, and have 1 of the top farm systems in baseball.
      With just a little bit of tweaking (veteran pitcher) they have a real shot at the division.
      In Jose Altuve they may have the best player in baseball that many are unaware of, just like McCutchen in Pittsburgh before the Pirates got good.

      Reply
  6. Draven Moss

    10 years ago

    I can almost throw 83 MPH….. He is gonna have to find another way to get people out.

    Reply
    • User 4245925809

      10 years ago

      Know what you mean Draven. Imagine threw that hard as a lefty during HS days myself, but don’t think they had radar guns then to watch kids and especially not me throw..

      Reply
  7. Matty R

    10 years ago

    Would love for the Astros to grab Hamels and Papelbon somehow, Appel and Brett Phillips would have to be part of that deal I’m guessing

    Reply
    • davengmusic

      10 years ago

      No one makes that trade. I don’t even think the Astros need either of those guys. I was a little surprised that Luhnow didn’t consider Dillon Gee in the offseason, especially since the Mets were looking to give him away for virtually nothing. That could happen again with the slump they’re in, though.

      Reply
      • Matty R

        10 years ago

        I mean, that wasn’t a serious thought up for critique. It was just some “I like these guys, I like a feel-good underdog story, I like them on the Astros” type wishful thinking. Of course I know the Astros aren’t buyers of that magnitude and moreover Papelbon will likely not be packaged, he will be in his own deal to maximize PHI return.

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        • stymeedone

          10 years ago

          Because of his declining velocity, age, contract and personality, whatever return the Phillies get for Papelbon will hardly be considered to have been “maximized.” If they are able to dump his contract for even a B level prospect it should be considered a win.

          Reply
          • Matty R

            10 years ago

            Exactly. Paps can net a prospect on his own and Amaro is sure to try to deal him separately.

            Reply
            • stymeedone

              10 years ago

              If he includes him with someone else, he will have to accept less, because Pap will bring the value from the Phillies side down. He is a cancer than no team wants.

              Reply
              • Matty R

                10 years ago

                It sounds like we are in agreement here, Philly wants max return on Hamels so Paps cannot be in the deal with him. Like I said originally.

                Reply
      • DrRamblings

        10 years ago

        While Gee hasn’t been lighting the world on fire, he has at least been serviceable: 3.86 ERA, 20:8 K:BB rate. In 5 games this year he has given up: 5, 4, 2, 1, 1 in regard to runs. He’ll probably hover around league average, but that is worthy of a #4 or #5 spot in most rotations. He’ll cost a bit more than a bag of balls, but nothing crazy…which I think is very doable for HOU.

        Reply
  8. Josh I

    10 years ago

    87.81 peak velo is pretty pathetic, especially considering Ike Davis hit 88 MPH in the inning he threw against the Angels.

    Reply
  9. gilgunderson

    10 years ago

    Anyone who gives up back to back homers to Nori Aoki and Joe Panik at AT&T Park just might be washed up.

    Reply
  10. Konrad Verloc

    10 years ago

    I have to disagree with the idea that Texas needs to add someone like Cole Hamels. I think it’s time to acknowledge that this core of players is not going anywhere. Let the rebuilding commence. The team is going to be stuck on pause for a few years until they can get past the 3 god-awful contracts of Choo, Andrus, and Fielder. I hope JD learned his lesson on long term contracts to aging hitters. I really think the only hope at the moment is if they can get something useful for Beltre, and if the kids Gallo, Mazara, Alfaro, Thompson, and Gonzalez can produce at the big leage level. Not much hope, either, mind you.

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  11. Donnie B

    10 years ago

    Hamels (and Ruiz/Papelbon) to Astros for a combination of: Singleton / Villar / Appel / Marisnick / Castro / Dominguez / Phillips

    Phillies need: 2B / SP / OF / C / 1B

    Reply
    • stroh

      10 years ago

      There is no way Marisnick will be inclued in any deal. He’s a five tool player and a superstar in the making. Phillips is also likely off limits. The others, yes.

      Reply
      • stymeedone

        10 years ago

        Until Marisnick learns the strike zone, he will never develop to superstar level. A start would be holding his job for the entire year.

        Reply
        • stroh

          10 years ago

          Don’t worry about him holding his job. He’s already got all the makings of a superstar, and will be for many years.

          Reply
          • stymeedone

            10 years ago

            One step at a time. Many have the tools to be a superstar. Few reach that potential.

            Reply
    • fighterflea

      10 years ago

      I would do it for Appel, Phillips, Castro, Dominguez and Santana.

      Reply
      • stroh

        10 years ago

        Appel, Santana and Dominguez. Unless Hamels comes with Papelbon, then you get Castro. Phillips is off limits.

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        • fighterflea

          10 years ago

          In a trade for Hamels, Papelbon and Ruiz, all but Phillips come with issues. I personally can’t see Houston pushing their chips to the center of the table cause they’re in an unfamiliar position. But you can’t win with one foot on the platform and one on the train. Kyle Lohse is out there, though.

          Reply
          • Donnie B

            10 years ago

            Lohse is fine if they want back end of the rotation, a #3 at best ahead of Feldman and Hernandez.

            Astros have a chance to GO ALL IN.
            Hamels wins Playoffs Games… A True #1 they would love starting game 1 of any playoff game.

            Playoffs???? Yeah… I said it.
            Rangers may want to get in on this too…

            Yankees, Red Sox, Cards, Pirates, Dodgers and Cubs will all be bidding come July.

            Reply
            • fighterflea

              10 years ago

              I’m watching the Bosox lose (Hanley now with a shoulder injury) and I’m not assuming anything on where they’ll be in July. I think Red Sox fans were expecting a better season than they may be capable of. But on the bright side, the Sox have a dynamite farm system.

              Reply
    • Donnie B

      10 years ago

      Hamels, Ruiz & Cash to Astros
      for
      (P) Appel / (OF) Santana / (UTIL) Villar / (C) Castro,
      (1B) Singleton OR Dominguez and (OF) Tucker.

      ASTROS:
      1B) Carter / Singleton
      2B) Altuve
      SS) Lowrie / Gonzalez
      3B) Valbuena
      C) Ruiz / Conger
      LF) Marisnick
      CF) Springer
      RF) Rasmus
      DH) Gattis
      OF) Grossman & Hoes
      P) Hamels – McHugh – Keuchel – Feldman – Hernandez – Peacock
      Oberholtzer – Straily

      PHILLIES:
      1B) Howard / Dominguez
      2B) Utley / Villar
      SS) Galvis (JP Crawford in 2016)
      3B) Franco / Asche
      C) Castro (extend him)
      LF) Revere
      CF) Herrera
      RF) Santana
      OF) Tucker
      P) Billingsley – Harang – Williams – Nola – Gonzalez – Appel
      RP) Papelbon / Giles / Diekman / De Fratus / Garcia / Gomez / McGowan

      Phillies flip Harang & Williams (maybe keep Billingsley)

      Reply
  12. Steven Garrison

    10 years ago

    I remember a few years ago when weaver was throwing 92-94, and now he’s at 83-84, I think he needs to be slotted down more in the rotation or put him in the bullpen to fix somethings, I hate to throw in the towel on my favorite pitcher.

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