TUESDAY: The medical concerns were in regard to a Blue Jays minor leaguer involved in the deal who was presumably going to the Reds, FOX Sports’ Ken Rosenthal reports (Twitter link). With this trade at least temporarily off, Yahoo Sports’ Jeff Passan wonders if other teams could approach the Reds with offers for Bruce since they seem open to dealing him for a fairly low price.
11:15pm: Talks are “dead” for the time being, Olney tweets.
11:06pm: The reason for the holdup is that one of the teams found an issue with one of the players’ medicals, Yahoo! Sports’ Jeff Passan tweets, clarifying that the player in question was not Bruce. ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick, meanwhile, tweets that someone close to the talks believes the problem is Saunders’ knee, an injury to which caused him to miss most of last season.
10:47pm: Some of the parties discussing the deal now doubt it will come to fruition, ESPN’s Buster Olney tweets. The reasons for the hitch are currently unclear.
8:44pm: The three teams are reviewing medical records of the players involved, tweets Rosenthal.
8:20pm: The deal is nearing completion, Jeff Fletcher of the Orange County Register tweets.
6:36pm: The current deal has Bruce going to Toronto, Saunders heading to Anaheim and prospects going to the Reds, Heyman tweets. That suggests the Angels, who have a very weak farm system, will be providing the prospects.
6:13pm: Bruce does not currently have the Jays on his no-trade list, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports tweets.
6:03pm: Heyman tweets that the proposed deal between the Jays and Reds actually also involves the Angels, with Saunders heading from Toronto to Anaheim in the deal. The Jays and Reds also discussed a three-team deal with the Athletics, but that trade is no longer on the table, Yahoo! Sports’ Jeff Passan tweets.
5:44pm: Reds outfielder Jay Bruce remains on the trade market, and they could be in the process of trading him to the Blue Jays, Jon Heyman tweets. If the Jays were to acquire Bruce, he would likely play mostly left field, with Jose Bautista in right. Toronto’s top left field options currently include Michael Saunders, who missed most of last season due to injury, and 23-year-old Dalton Pompey.
For the Reds, Bruce would be the latest in a long string of veteran departures that has also included Johnny Cueto, Mike Leake, Marlon Byrd, Todd Frazier and Aroldis Chapman. Bruce would be unlikely to command a large return, since he’s hit just .222/.288/.406 in the last two seasons. He might, however, be in line for somewhat of a resurgence in 2016 if his batting average on balls in play (which was just .251 last season) improves a bit. When he does make contact, he has largely retained his ability to hit for power, hitting 26 home runs last season.
Still, Bruce will make $12.5MM in 2016, plus a $1MM buyout or a $13MM option in 2017, and while those figures aren’t exorbitant, he’s far from a bargain at that price. The Orioles have also recently been connected to Bruce, although at last check, their interest wasn’t particularly strong.
georgebell 2
Why take on that contract for a guy who has not produced 1 fWar in two years?
cxcx
Because he will cost very little to acquire and has upside and an option for next year that will be considered cheap if he has a good year and because their dh and two starting outfielders are free agents next year and because they just traded away a starting outfielder? If the guy had been killing it the past few years he either wouldn’t be on the block or would cost a fortune. It’s called buying low.
Mark 21
He is still young but he has been horrible the last 2 years. This would be buying VERY low I would think for the Jays. Anything of value is over paying based on performance. Every player has upside. Bruce right now has very little upside other then maybe a DH player.
redcardinal5
Jay Bruce is much more than a dh player. He has consistently been well above average, almost gold glove worthy in right field and can play all 3 defensive spots in the outfield. To suggest a 26 year old athletic outfielder is a dh is purely comical
redcardinal5
Jay Bruce can play all 3 outfield positions and is almost gold glove worthy in right field, having been a finalist multiple years. To suggest an athletic 26 year old is a dh is purely comical and shows your lack of research
kbarr888
Mark….do some homework before you spew comments that are incomplete. Bruce hasn’t been “Horrible”…….although he was terrible for a typical Jay Bruce. The stick was lacking, but he had a serious knee injury late in 2014….The guy probably wasn’t healthy all year long in 2015. If he’s healthy now, he could be in for a big rebound.
Secondly…….He’s a valuable asset in the field. The guy can play defense and has a good arm. Sure he strikes out a lot, but so does Chris Davis (not saying they are equals….). If they could DH for HIM, they might…..LOL
georgebell 2
How good is his defense? I can’t find anything that indicates he can field well recently.
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
Who says they’re taking on the full contract. I would wait for the full details. This makes sense for the jays and the Angels. Saunders has to stay healthy though. Bruce isn’t hitting int the heart of the lineup on this team so does it matter. If he gets back to what makes him successful it’s a win. It’s essentially a 1 year gamble if all goes bad. Plus it gives Pompey time. If you’re not really giving up much then it’s not that bad of a gamble with evryone else in place.
Ray Ray
Have you actually watched him play? He plays defense much better than the numbers indicate. He’s not going to be challenging for a Gold Glove anytime soon, but he is at least an average big league right fielder, if not slightly above average.
vtadave
According to the numbers, over the last 2 years, Bruce rates as the third worst defensive RF in the game.
GarryHarris
I stepping in because I study defensive players numbers… I don’t know what defensive statistic you determined that Jay Bruce is a poor defensive RF. Jay Bruce is one of the best if not the best RF in MLB. He consistently accumulates 300 PO every season . In fact, statistically, Jay Bruce should’ve won the RF gold glove award in 2010, 2011, 2013 and 2015. Jason Hayward had better numbers in 2012 and a super defensive season in 2014.
You can’t really use Jay Bruce’s 2014 numbers. He was hurt. However, even in 2014, he was better than Jose Bautista was in 2015. Bautista’s numbers show that he was the worst defensive full time RF in MLB.
The Oregonian
If all they have to do is give up Saunders, who might not be healthy for 50 games this year? I’d take that any day.
SoCalShu
Why would Saunders be out for about 50 games this season? I read he had some knee issues that kept him out last season but it was meniscus and bone bruise…was there more to it that I haven’t read?
Brixton
Something like DJ Davis, Richard Urena and Bo Schultz?
Brixton
Whats the need for Bruce anyways? I’d rather gamble on Pompey or Saunders anyways.
georgebell 2
Much rather gamble on Saunders, Pompey and Lake than give up more prospects. If Bruce was a salary dump for the Reds and Rogers will increase the budget, then sure why not.
Cedric Lee
cuz if bautista leaves you need another power hitting outfielder to fill the void. he’s around the age bautista and edwin were at the time of his breakout. so the jays probably think they can do something similar with him.
tycobb016
sox could use bruce in rf. garcia stinks and cell in a launching pad for lefthanded power hitters. fits sox 2 year window that includes frazier cabrera laroche.
lemieuxkarl66
Who’s Cabrera?
The white sox are terrible besides Sale & Abreu
vtadave
Frazier, Eaton, Quintana, Robertson, and Rodon aren’t terrible
BeenThereDoneIt
Other than Quintana and Frazier, not ver good
jdubs346
No no no just pay Joey bat flip !!
dwilson10
He’s 36 and is projected to be looking for a contract around 5 year for 100 million. Toronto isn’t going to give him what he wants
jdubs346
Where are you getting 5 years from, who the hell is going to give a 36 a 5 year contract, if you can add that brings him to 41, he will get a 3 year deal max
dwilson10
I was wrong I think it’s around 4 years but that is what he told the Blue Jays it would take for them to resign him
dwetzel
As an O’s fan I am glad to hear about him going anywhere but here. He could be a 30 HR guy in Rogers Center. Like the Jays need another low OBP masher type.
RichW 2
Well considering the Jays led the majors in OBP by 12 points over the second place team in 2015, it appears he may be the first.
cpdevine1
was going to say….who do the Jays have that are low OBP mashers? all 3 of their guys that hit 30+ have OBP of .370 or more
comparatively….the O’s don’t have ONE player with .370 OBP…masher or otherwise.
theo2016
I think you meant low average, but batting average doesnt matter if its 2 walks and a homer, much better than e singles.
Paul Miller
“Another low OBP masher type”…..You’re joking right? like who? Bautista? Encarnacion? Donaldson? Tulo?
jakegreenberg24
I’m thinking the package will include Rowdy Tellez and possibly a pitcher.
kenster84
Seems like Fowler would be slightly cheaper and leadoff type player the Jays need
Cedric Lee
he’s not cheaper if you have to give up a pick.
kbarr888
He’s not cheaper at all……He wants a higher salary than Bruce gets……Plus you give up a Draft Pick…..smh
thecoffinnail
Why is giving up a pick in the bottom of the 1st round so important to fans these days? Its not like they would be giving up the entire draft.. After the first 7-8 picks all of the picks afterwards are lottery tickets. Have you actually looked at most of the stars today and seen exactly where they were chosen? You are just as likely to get a star in later rounds. Like Jake Arrieta ( 5th round 159th pick) Corey Kluber ( 4th round 134th pick) Jonathan Lucroy (3rd round 101st pick) or Giancarlo Stanton ( 2nd round 76th pick). All taken in later rounds of the 2007 draft. Heck Josh Donaldson wasn’t selected until 48th and Jordan Zimmerman 67th. It all comes down to scouting. Which is far more important than draft position unless you are in the top 5. The Blue Jays selected 21st in 2007. Who would you rather have, a ready to contribute major league regular like Dexter Fowler or a young J.P. Arencibia, which is who the Jays selected? This unwillingness to part with lottery ticket draft picks has gotten old. Fans are acting like the 23rd pick is going to yield a perennial all star. Its highly doubtful they will even get a MLB regular with that pick. What makes it worse is whomever they select won’t be ready to contribute until way after the Jays window of contention has closed.
jaysfan77
I say Bautista gets traded, after his public comments about contract demands. He’d fetch a nice haul, of either prospects or some pitching depth. Jays then sign Encarnacion.
yanks02026
Jose wouldn’t get a huge prospect back. The guy is 35 years old.
DoolittleDoolate
He might not get a top 10 prospect, but he would net a pretty good one, or at least a few decent ones. He’s only making $14m this year and he’s a sure bet to get a QO if that system stays in place.
dwilson10
Why would anyone trade prospects for him this year when he hits free agency at the end of the year and wouldn’t resign unless they meet the contract he wants
A'sfaninUK
Because they want to win a World Series and he would be an upgrade at RF/DH? Come on, its Joey Bats, he’s awesome!
RichW 2
He’s not a free agent. Read the article. Team option after this year.
Cedric Lee
no, team option is for this year. free agent after this year.
teams give up huge prospects in the middle of the year at trade deadline all the time. there’s no reason they can’t get good prospects for him now from a team that could use him for a full season instead of just a few months. the problem is he has 10 and 5 rights.
RichW 2
Jay Bruce
Still, Bruce will make $12.5MM in 2016, plus a $1MM buyout or a $13MM option in 2017,
kbarr888
I think Cedric is talking about Joey Bats…..not Bruce.
Bruce Does have an option for 2017 at about $12 mil……Bats IS a FA after this season coming up.
A'sfaninUK
Yes he will, he’s in the prime of his career and turns a borderline team into a contender. Imagine if he winds up on the Twins, Rangers, Dodgers, Astros or Red Sox?
dwilson10
I understand that he’s good and can hit around 40 home runs but I’ve never heard of a player being in the prime of their career at 35 or 36 years old. So you’re saying that you’d give a guy a 3-4 year contract that takes him to 40-41 years old for 100 million?
A'sfaninUK
You’ve never heard of Barry Bonds?
dwilson10
Are you forgetting he used steroids when his production started slipping. Maybe try and find someone who didn’t cheat to improve their career.
metsws
RA Dickey
kbarr888
LOL….anyone seen the pictures of Bonds as a Marlins Hitting Coach? He’s lost about 50 lbs since he stopped playing.
Kinda makes you go “Mmmmm…..doesn’t it? Yea, I know he never failed a test……..they had stuff to take to help them with that, just ask A-Roid…..and we all know that “Barry had connections”…….LOL
hoyce
I’ll guess if Bruce is traded to BJs it would be for someone like biagini
chri
Hearing Saunders will go to the Angels according to Bleacher Report
jaysfan77
Lol okay bud, he’s worth 5 years at 100 million after the season, yet is worth nothing now. Ok
seamaholic 2
One year is worth a lot less than five years. Jays wouldn’t get more than a couple B prospects for Bautista.
micg
Right. like the lousy haul the Braves got for one year ofUupton, and one year of Heyward!
kbarr888
Maybe the Jays would trade Bats for Bruce plus a prospect?
Troutstanding45
The Angels have far and away the WORST farm in the bigs. I wonder what they would be dealing here…
Ray Ray
So the Reds are trying to add a third team in order to get prospects that they might not want from Toronto. They choose the Angels, the team with the worst farm system in about 10 years? I get that Jay Bruce has had a couple of rough years, but he still has a fair amount of value due to his power. Cincinnati really doesn’t grasp how this rebuilding with prospects things really works, do they?
seamaholic 2
Who else wants Michael Saunders enough to give up a young player or two? Beggars can’t be choosers here. Although I think Bruce is worth enough more than Saunders that the Reds should be getting a prospect from the Jays too.
Cedric Lee
it’s a salary dump for the reds. no point paying bruce when the team is so far from contention and won’t be contending for a few years.
seamaholic 2
No salary dump. This is Bruce’s last year, and there’s nothing to buy with the money they’re saving by “dumping” him. So this is not a dump.
Ray Ray
If it was a salary dump, Bruce would have been traded already. The Reds are looking for the right deal for him. A salary dump means you are willing to take almost anything just to not pay him. That is obviously not the case here.
Matt Galvin
It looks like that deal not happening. Angels do need LF.
A'sfaninUK
The Angels also have no prospects to trade.
kingfelix34
The Angels aren’t really helping themselves if they add the injury plagued Saunders
roti78
Bruce having a couple years sounds like a perfect t.o. fit. See Bautista/ Encarnacion stats. Even look at Donaldsons monster 1st year. Bring in the Bruce
A'sfaninUK
Wow, to me this looks like Joey Bats said he wanted over $100M for 3-4 years so the Jays are going to trade him asap for a huge prospect haul and replace him with Bruce for the near future.
dwilson10
The Jays would not get a huge prospect haul for Bautista. Teams realize he is injury prone and only has another good year or two left. Then add that at the end of the year he is looking for around 100 million, which won’t happen.
A'sfaninUK
“Injury prone”?? Buy a clue! He’s played 155 and 153 games the last 2 years at 10.9 fWAR. Whether you like it or not, Bautista is a massive, massive superstar in his prime. He brings in 2 top 50 prospects plus more, even for one season. Especially if he goes to an AL team who can extend him and move him to the DH when he gets closer to 40.
dwilson10
Look at 2011-2013 he couldn’t stay healthy and he plays hurt every year and the guy isn’t getting any younger. I’m not saying he isn’t good I’m just saying you never know when injury might end his season.
A'sfaninUK
2011-2013? Who cares? You are just wrong. He is simply not injury prone. At all. End of story.
double
Bautista is 35. In their mid-30’s players many players will drop off a cliff. Look at the “Similar Batters through 34” on Baseball Reference. Most of them didn’t have productive careers after that.
dwilson10
You have to look at a players whole career not just the years they do good. Most of his injuries happened when he was younger so what does that say about his ability to stay healthy at 35 and older. It’s not likely to happen.
BeenThereDoneIt
Recent history would tend to contradict your statement when it comes to Joey batts though, wouldn’t it. Give your head a shake. He is an absolute beast and one of the best hitters in baseball.
Torontopoly
10-5 rights. He could block any trade.
joshbresser
Jocketty decides to involve the team with the worst farm system that Keith Law has ever seen. Hilarious. Absolutely hilarious. Reds lose again.
catcher12
I see this as a chance for Jay’s to solidify lf. Saunders to whoever team would be a bounce back guy, don’t know other parts moving
cheftay
If this deal happens, and if Bruce can get back to being the hitter he was a few years ago…the Jays are going to have a pretty ridiculous line up, especially once Travis comes back and bats lead off. Where would Bruce even bat? Do you put Tulo in the 2 hole and push everyone back a notch, and have Bruce batting 6th? Martin bats 7th, then Smoak/Colabello 8th and Pillar 9th…
koldjerky
I highly doubt that suggests the Angels providing prospects. Gotta think the Jays are since Saunders isn’t anything at this point. Angels probably throw a LOOGY to the Reds.
It’s a:
Angels: hey we want Saunders and will give you AAAA player Z
Jays: naw
Jays to Reds
Jays: you want the Angels to play with us too and you can get AAAA player Z?
Reds: Sure but you’re still giving us 99% of the deal.
Jays: yeah we figured
Jays/Reds to Angels
Jays/Reds: alright, come on up on the bed with us.
Angels: Yay!
lazorko
Sounds about right. Anything else doesn’t make sense.
Tony Reagins ain’t the Angels GM anymore, so neither the Blue Jays or Reds are gonna think they’re getting Taylor Ward for Michael Saunders.
Overbrook
Every team has middling prospects they trade. That’s all Bruce is worth…you aren’t getting a “good” prospect for that low production at that salary in hopes that he will improve. I wouldn’t mind the Chisox taking the Angels spot, but again, mediocre prospects only.
stryk3istrukuout
Well, I’ve got to say…this is surprising, but I can’t think of a more ideal landing spot considering the mashers in that lineup. Sure, it’s tougher to hit in the AL, but that lineup and a likely winning record helps take a lot of pressure off. Crazy to think that 5, maybe 6, regulars on that team are capable of flirting with a 30 home run season now.
Ayy-Aron
As long as none of the Angels Pitchers are going in this deal.
By “prospects standards” that goes for: Tyler Skaggs
Cam
Are the Angels bargaining with magic beans? I didn’t know they had anything else.
thebeatlesshow
I can only guess that the Angels will have to give up pitching. That’s all they’ve got. None of their prospects…at any level…are in anybody’s top 100. Maybe a marginal arm from the bullpen. any thoughts, anybody?? (We’ll probably know in an hour or so, anyway.)
snag25
Why aren’t the Angels getting Jay Bruce if we are providing the prospects
seamaholic 2
$$$$. Bruce takes them over the luxury cap.
stymeedone
Anybody takes them over the cap.
thebeatlesshow
it’s got to be a young arm who’s been on the ML roster. Saunders is going to make $2.9 Mil…which, according to Arte, puts the team over the luxury tax threshold. So, it’s got to be someone making more than ML minimum….maybe Al Alb uerque…prob not. Angels just signed him. ..or hector Santiago…and I would think they could get more for him than Michael Saunders.
theo2016
Santiago isnt very good. Basically a swingman.
martinc27
Most likely Blue Jays will eat some of the cost for Saunders so Angels stay under threshold. Worse case it may be Tropeano otherwise it’s another stupid deal for the Halos
Matt Galvin
minorleagueball.com/2016/2/2/10902230/los-angeles-… 2 3B that might interest the Reds.
hittingnull
Angel prospects going to Reds. Wow, I did not know they had prospects to give.
Matt Galvin
Max P. the Catcher,Cron and so on to Reds maybe.
BeenThereDoneIt
Say what?!?
HalosFan8
Those two aren’t getting dealt for Saunders…
pillar
Jeez the Jays need to save cap space with Bautista or EE. so they can give the contract the that either one may want. but what’s stupid is why would you need another outfielder seeing that you have Ryan Goins can feild Kevin pillar batista coloabello Jake lake Saunders and pompey. one of the best out fields in all of MLB and why add some one else when you plenty of depth. no idea were the Jays r going with this one.
Torontopoly
Cap space?
Goins is an infielder and Colabello was probably the worst defensive OF I’ve seen dawn a Jays’ uniform. Bautista will be gone after this year, Saunders is in the trade and Pompey and Lake are still fairly unknown commodities at the major league level.
stymeedone
Would “budget space” make you happier.
Torontopoly
Oh so you know their budget? Go on…
BeenThereDoneIt
This from a braves fan? Really? You know what they say about glass houses right? The Jays with a lefty like Bruce to break up the righties in the middle of the order could have 6 guys who hit 30 homers and have upwards of 100 ribs. That’s ridiculous considering the still have Martin, Travis and pillar on top of that. Martin and Travis could hit 20 plus and pillar 10-15 with 40 doubles and 30 sb’s.
That’s an overwhelming line up
dematteo1982
I’d love if the jays made it to the world series against the mets…..our staff will have a field day with that lineup……a dangerous lineup.. Yes…..but the mets pitching would be licking their chops….cubs have a similar lineup..look what happened to them….same thing would happen to the jays
dwilson10
Agreed. Their hitters are very good but their pitching is terrible and probably the worst in the division.
BeenThereDoneIt
You aren’t paying attention then. Not a lot of depth, but when your offense scores 6 a game, I think you won’t need depth. Just a bunch of guys that throw to an era of 4 to 4.5. The Jays have 3 guys that will be less than 4 and one guy in stroman who looks to be a legit top of the rotation guy. Then you throw in a wild card like Sanchez and you may be quite surprised.
That back end of the bullpen is pretty stellar. Maybe not Yankees stellar, but at last top 10 in baseball. Cecil storen and ozuna are pretty formidable…
theo2016
Orioles have the worst pitching. Toronto prolly second worst, its not that bad considering the offense. Yankees pitching is really injury prone so can be leapfrogged if tanaka gets hurt. The rays are the onlt team with a dearth of starters.
dwilson10
I’m not saying the O’s have 5 aces but it’s the exact same rotation that took them to the ALCS 2 years ago except now they have Gallardo who is just as good as Chen
thecoffinnail
Chen is a lefty which is far better to have in the AL East than a soft tossing righty..
BeenThereDoneIt
Oh, and don’t forget they have the best 3rd baseman, best right fielder, best Dh one of the best catchers, one of the best cf’ers, the best shortstop, and you add Bruce to that with an up and coming Travis as well as colabello. Well, I think you catch my drift. Best lineup of the past 25 years or so. Reminds me of WAMCO of the World Series from 93.
dswaim
Best 3B is certainly arguable between Machado and Donaldson. You can make a case that Ortiz is the best DH. A really good case. Mookie Betts is playing RF for the Sox this year and considering Bautista’s age, Betts could easily be the better RF of the two in 2016. Martin is a really, really good C, but not a huge separation from McCann, Wieters, and possibly Swihart if he continues to progress. Adam Jones, Jacoby Ellsbury and Kevin Kiermaier could all make a case as best CF in the division in 2016, and JBJ could continue his breakout. I’d say its pretty even between all the clubs in CF. Bogaerts for 160 games is better than Tulo for 50 games and Goins or Barney for 100. The bullpen is no higher than 4th in the division, maybe 5th, and you could make a case they have the worst rotation. I think the Jays make the playoffs, but barely, and if Stroman hits the DL, they’re toast.
Ray Ray
I think Nolan Arenado belongs in that conversation as well. Just because he plays in Coors Field, doesn’t mean he is not a legit superstar.
Diablo 2
wtf are Angels giving up? this is going to look very ugly for Halos.
lazorko
I’m wracking my brain trying to figure out how this isn’t going to be a Tony Reagins-like brutal deal for the Angels.
petrie000
anything the Angels are giving up from their farm they can afford to lose….
HalosFan8
If the Angels are giving up “prospects” for Saunders, I’m thinking the ageless Matt Shoemaker. He’s looking like an extra piece anyways. Not like we’ll luck out and deal CJ for Saunders + additional prospects. If the Angels just get Saunders back, they still will probably look to dump somebody with salary (not that Shoey has a 7 digit salary)…
jdubs346
If all we have to give up is Saunders then this is a good trade for the jays
seamaholic 2
What a peculiar little trade. Doesn’t seem to benefit anyone.
petrie000
this was probably really exciting for the Reds fans up until the part about ‘Anaheim will be providing the prospects’…
sigurd 2
lol!
Pretty much.
stormie
“Still” not going to be any good? You realize you’re talking about the team that crushed everyone is runs and run differential last year right?
dematteo1982
And it got them where….
Cedric Lee
to the playoffs. only 1 team wins the world series. doesnt mean all the other teams are bad. jays were very good last year. this is a dumb remark on your part.
dematteo1982
Never said all the other teams are bad, but if you think a lineup full of mashers is the way to a ring, you are sorely mistaken…. After Stroman ( who grew up 10 mins from me, so I’m a fan of For) what pitcher on the jays can keep them in a series with the mets, cubs or giants….. Playoffs are nice..but you don’t make trades to get to the playoffs…. A contender like Toronto makes trades to win the world series, and I’m sorry, but another masher when your help rotatio . Is mediocre at best makes no sense imo
Yamsi12
Wtf are the Angels doing??!! Lol.
Yamsi12
Angels are dumpster diving hoping to find a diamond in the rough. Great to see Trouts best years wasted playing with greats like Nava, Saunders, Gentry, Giovatella, Cron, Escobar, and company….all we really need is Jeff Mathis back behind the dish and we are set!
Yamsi12
Makes no sense for the halos
triberulz
I’m guessing Toronto is going to pay most of Saunders contract thats why the Angels send prospects. Reds are probably dumping Bruce’s contract on the Blue Jays & are ok with minimal prospects from the Angels because they save $$. With the Reds bullpen situation my guess is Bedrosian + 2 fringe prospects.
RobM
When dealing with the Angels, the real question is what prospects? Their farm system ranks dead last now.
sigurd 2
Second Jay Bruce trade in the past 6 months scuttled?
hmmmm…
kbarr888
Everyone’s trying get Bruce for a cheese sandwich, and the Jays giving the Angels an injured player (albeit a good one) didn’t help this deal. I’m alone on the “Bruce could have a nice Bounce-Back year” bandwagon, but I would be hoping that Bruce had a nice 1st half, then trade him nearer the deadline. Injuries and “contender emotions” would probably allow a bigger return than a Spring Trade would. New team could just exercise his option for 2017, then get a draft pick for him.
georgebell 2
Are Saunders’ medical records really holding up this trade? Is it really a surprise to the Angels that he may not be 100%?
sigurd 2
Mookie Betts probably ran him over with a golf cart on his way to spring training.
Ray Ray
It’s actually not Saunders that was the hold up. I am actually shocked that it wasn’t him.
RobM
Health is a skill, and Saunders doesn’t have it.
Mark 20
Honestly, and this is weird for me to say because I am not a fan of saunders, but I would actually rather have saunders than bruce ESPECIALLY if we are paying bruce’s full salary. Our lineup is definitely built around power so it is nice to have some versatility like saunders rather than bruce who I believe relies on his pop for most of his production. Saunders is also the better defender. I am okay with getting bruce though, just not paying his salary. I guess until a deal is completed I cant speculate too much.
kingfelix34
So you would rather have Saunders on your DL all year than pay more for Bruce who will play all year
Philliesfan4life
maybe the angels could get this deal done, and if saunders is healthy then it’s a big steal. If the jays don’t bring bautista back watch Arte spend big for him
beyou02215
The Indians should have been in on Bruce. Decent bounce-back/change of scenery candidate to give some O support to that stellar pitching staff.
nyycanadian
I guess this is the end of Bautista in Toronto past this year, Shapiro is looking to get a cheap replacement, after this season I think the Jays will decline quick unless they spend, I wonder what Bautista asked for proudly more than 100 million
lazorko
Whew, glad this one evaporated (as an Angels fan).
Deal just seemed too weird to actually happen. Can anyone think of another salary-dump trade that was a true three-way deal?
spinnerroo
How bout Wilson for Bruce?
draushaus
I can’t believe Toronto can’t come up with another suitable prospect and get the deal done – without the Angels. Or come up with someone other than Saunders who would be acceptable to the Halos. Blue Jays would be fools to give up on this one.