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Three-Team Jay Bruce Deal With Reds, Angels, Blue Jays “Dead”

By charliewilmoth | February 23, 2016 at 8:07am CDT

TUESDAY: The medical concerns were in regard to a Blue Jays minor leaguer involved in the deal who was presumably going to the Reds, FOX Sports’ Ken Rosenthal reports (Twitter link).  With this trade at least temporarily off, Yahoo Sports’ Jeff Passan wonders if other teams could approach the Reds with offers for Bruce since they seem open to dealing him for a fairly low price.

11:15pm: Talks are “dead” for the time being, Olney tweets.

11:06pm: The reason for the holdup is that one of the teams found an issue with one of the players’ medicals, Yahoo! Sports’ Jeff Passan tweets, clarifying that the player in question was not Bruce. ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick, meanwhile, tweets that someone close to the talks believes the problem is Saunders’ knee, an injury to which caused him to miss most of last season.

10:47pm: Some of the parties discussing the deal now doubt it will come to fruition, ESPN’s Buster Olney tweets. The reasons for the hitch are currently unclear.

8:44pm: The three teams are reviewing medical records of the players involved, tweets Rosenthal.

8:20pm: The deal is nearing completion, Jeff Fletcher of the Orange County Register tweets.

6:36pm: The current deal has Bruce going to Toronto, Saunders heading to Anaheim and prospects going to the Reds, Heyman tweets. That suggests the Angels, who have a very weak farm system, will be providing the prospects.

6:13pm: Bruce does not currently have the Jays on his no-trade list, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports tweets.

6:03pm: Heyman tweets that the proposed deal between the Jays and Reds actually also involves the Angels, with Saunders heading from Toronto to Anaheim in the deal. The Jays and Reds also discussed a three-team deal with the Athletics, but that trade is no longer on the table, Yahoo! Sports’ Jeff Passan tweets.

5:44pm: Reds outfielder Jay Bruce remains on the trade market, and they could be in the process of trading him to the Blue Jays, Jon Heyman tweets. If the Jays were to acquire Bruce, he would likely play mostly left field, with Jose Bautista in right. Toronto’s top left field options currently include Michael Saunders, who missed most of last season due to injury, and 23-year-old Dalton Pompey.

For the Reds, Bruce would be the latest in a long string of veteran departures that has also included Johnny Cueto, Mike Leake, Marlon Byrd, Todd Frazier and Aroldis Chapman. Bruce would be unlikely to command a large return, since he’s hit just .222/.288/.406 in the last two seasons. He might, however, be in line for somewhat of a resurgence in 2016 if his batting average on balls in play (which was just .251 last season) improves a bit. When he does make contact, he has largely retained his ability to hit for power, hitting 26 home runs last season.

Still, Bruce will make $12.5MM in 2016, plus a $1MM buyout or a $13MM option in 2017, and while those figures aren’t exorbitant, he’s far from a bargain at that price. The Orioles have also recently been connected to Bruce, although at last check, their interest wasn’t particularly strong.

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  1. georgebell 2

    9 years ago

    Why take on that contract for a guy who has not produced 1 fWar in two years?

    Reply
    • cxcx

      9 years ago

      Because he will cost very little to acquire and has upside and an option for next year that will be considered cheap if he has a good year and because their dh and two starting outfielders are free agents next year and because they just traded away a starting outfielder? If the guy had been killing it the past few years he either wouldn’t be on the block or would cost a fortune. It’s called buying low.

      Reply
      • Mark 21

        9 years ago

        He is still young but he has been horrible the last 2 years. This would be buying VERY low I would think for the Jays. Anything of value is over paying based on performance. Every player has upside. Bruce right now has very little upside other then maybe a DH player.

        Reply
        • redcardinal5

          9 years ago

          Jay Bruce is much more than a dh player. He has consistently been well above average, almost gold glove worthy in right field and can play all 3 defensive spots in the outfield. To suggest a 26 year old athletic outfielder is a dh is purely comical

          Reply
        • redcardinal5

          9 years ago

          Jay Bruce can play all 3 outfield positions and is almost gold glove worthy in right field, having been a finalist multiple years. To suggest an athletic 26 year old is a dh is purely comical and shows your lack of research

          Reply
        • kbarr888

          9 years ago

          Mark….do some homework before you spew comments that are incomplete. Bruce hasn’t been “Horrible”…….although he was terrible for a typical Jay Bruce. The stick was lacking, but he had a serious knee injury late in 2014….The guy probably wasn’t healthy all year long in 2015. If he’s healthy now, he could be in for a big rebound.

          Secondly…….He’s a valuable asset in the field. The guy can play defense and has a good arm. Sure he strikes out a lot, but so does Chris Davis (not saying they are equals….). If they could DH for HIM, they might…..LOL

          Reply
        • georgebell 2

          9 years ago

          How good is his defense? I can’t find anything that indicates he can field well recently.

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        • Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA

          9 years ago

          Who says they’re taking on the full contract. I would wait for the full details. This makes sense for the jays and the Angels. Saunders has to stay healthy though. Bruce isn’t hitting int the heart of the lineup on this team so does it matter. If he gets back to what makes him successful it’s a win. It’s essentially a 1 year gamble if all goes bad. Plus it gives Pompey time. If you’re not really giving up much then it’s not that bad of a gamble with evryone else in place.

          Reply
        • Ray Ray

          9 years ago

          Have you actually watched him play? He plays defense much better than the numbers indicate. He’s not going to be challenging for a Gold Glove anytime soon, but he is at least an average big league right fielder, if not slightly above average.

          Reply
        • vtadave

          9 years ago

          According to the numbers, over the last 2 years, Bruce rates as the third worst defensive RF in the game.

          Reply
        • GarryHarris

          9 years ago

          I stepping in because I study defensive players numbers… I don’t know what defensive statistic you determined that Jay Bruce is a poor defensive RF. Jay Bruce is one of the best if not the best RF in MLB. He consistently accumulates 300 PO every season . In fact, statistically, Jay Bruce should’ve won the RF gold glove award in 2010, 2011, 2013 and 2015. Jason Hayward had better numbers in 2012 and a super defensive season in 2014.

          You can’t really use Jay Bruce’s 2014 numbers. He was hurt. However, even in 2014, he was better than Jose Bautista was in 2015. Bautista’s numbers show that he was the worst defensive full time RF in MLB.

          Reply
    • The Oregonian

      9 years ago

      If all they have to do is give up Saunders, who might not be healthy for 50 games this year? I’d take that any day.

      Reply
      • SoCalShu

        9 years ago

        Why would Saunders be out for about 50 games this season? I read he had some knee issues that kept him out last season but it was meniscus and bone bruise…was there more to it that I haven’t read?

        Reply
  2. Brixton

    9 years ago

    Something like DJ Davis, Richard Urena and Bo Schultz?

    Reply
    • Brixton

      9 years ago

      Whats the need for Bruce anyways? I’d rather gamble on Pompey or Saunders anyways.

      Reply
      • georgebell 2

        9 years ago

        Much rather gamble on Saunders, Pompey and Lake than give up more prospects. If Bruce was a salary dump for the Reds and Rogers will increase the budget, then sure why not.

        Reply
      • Cedric Lee

        9 years ago

        cuz if bautista leaves you need another power hitting outfielder to fill the void. he’s around the age bautista and edwin were at the time of his breakout. so the jays probably think they can do something similar with him.

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    • tycobb016

      9 years ago

      sox could use bruce in rf. garcia stinks and cell in a launching pad for lefthanded power hitters. fits sox 2 year window that includes frazier cabrera laroche.

      Reply
      • lemieuxkarl66

        9 years ago

        Who’s Cabrera?

        The white sox are terrible besides Sale & Abreu

        Reply
        • vtadave

          9 years ago

          Frazier, Eaton, Quintana, Robertson, and Rodon aren’t terrible

          Reply
        • BeenThereDoneIt

          9 years ago

          Other than Quintana and Frazier, not ver good

          Reply
  3. jdubs346

    9 years ago

    No no no just pay Joey bat flip !!

    Reply
    • dwilson10

      9 years ago

      He’s 36 and is projected to be looking for a contract around 5 year for 100 million. Toronto isn’t going to give him what he wants

      Reply
      • jdubs346

        9 years ago

        Where are you getting 5 years from, who the hell is going to give a 36 a 5 year contract, if you can add that brings him to 41, he will get a 3 year deal max

        Reply
        • dwilson10

          9 years ago

          I was wrong I think it’s around 4 years but that is what he told the Blue Jays it would take for them to resign him

          Reply
  4. dwetzel

    9 years ago

    As an O’s fan I am glad to hear about him going anywhere but here. He could be a 30 HR guy in Rogers Center. Like the Jays need another low OBP masher type.

    Reply
    • RichW 2

      9 years ago

      Well considering the Jays led the majors in OBP by 12 points over the second place team in 2015, it appears he may be the first.

      Reply
    • cpdevine1

      9 years ago

      was going to say….who do the Jays have that are low OBP mashers? all 3 of their guys that hit 30+ have OBP of .370 or more

      comparatively….the O’s don’t have ONE player with .370 OBP…masher or otherwise.

      Reply
    • theo2016

      9 years ago

      I think you meant low average, but batting average doesnt matter if its 2 walks and a homer, much better than e singles.

      Reply
    • Paul Miller

      9 years ago

      “Another low OBP masher type”…..You’re joking right? like who? Bautista? Encarnacion? Donaldson? Tulo?

      Reply
  5. jakegreenberg24

    9 years ago

    I’m thinking the package will include Rowdy Tellez and possibly a pitcher.

    Reply
  6. kenster84

    9 years ago

    Seems like Fowler would be slightly cheaper and leadoff type player the Jays need

    Reply
    • Cedric Lee

      9 years ago

      he’s not cheaper if you have to give up a pick.

      Reply
      • kbarr888

        9 years ago

        He’s not cheaper at all……He wants a higher salary than Bruce gets……Plus you give up a Draft Pick…..smh

        Reply
        • thecoffinnail

          9 years ago

          Why is giving up a pick in the bottom of the 1st round so important to fans these days? Its not like they would be giving up the entire draft.. After the first 7-8 picks all of the picks afterwards are lottery tickets. Have you actually looked at most of the stars today and seen exactly where they were chosen? You are just as likely to get a star in later rounds. Like Jake Arrieta ( 5th round 159th pick) Corey Kluber ( 4th round 134th pick) Jonathan Lucroy (3rd round 101st pick) or Giancarlo Stanton ( 2nd round 76th pick). All taken in later rounds of the 2007 draft. Heck Josh Donaldson wasn’t selected until 48th and Jordan Zimmerman 67th. It all comes down to scouting. Which is far more important than draft position unless you are in the top 5. The Blue Jays selected 21st in 2007. Who would you rather have, a ready to contribute major league regular like Dexter Fowler or a young J.P. Arencibia, which is who the Jays selected? This unwillingness to part with lottery ticket draft picks has gotten old. Fans are acting like the 23rd pick is going to yield a perennial all star. Its highly doubtful they will even get a MLB regular with that pick. What makes it worse is whomever they select won’t be ready to contribute until way after the Jays window of contention has closed.

          Reply
  7. jaysfan77

    9 years ago

    I say Bautista gets traded, after his public comments about contract demands. He’d fetch a nice haul, of either prospects or some pitching depth. Jays then sign Encarnacion.

    Reply
    • yanks02026

      9 years ago

      Jose wouldn’t get a huge prospect back. The guy is 35 years old.

      Reply
      • DoolittleDoolate

        9 years ago

        He might not get a top 10 prospect, but he would net a pretty good one, or at least a few decent ones. He’s only making $14m this year and he’s a sure bet to get a QO if that system stays in place.

        Reply
        • dwilson10

          9 years ago

          Why would anyone trade prospects for him this year when he hits free agency at the end of the year and wouldn’t resign unless they meet the contract he wants

          Reply
        • A'sfaninUK

          9 years ago

          Because they want to win a World Series and he would be an upgrade at RF/DH? Come on, its Joey Bats, he’s awesome!

          Reply
        • RichW 2

          9 years ago

          He’s not a free agent. Read the article. Team option after this year.

          Reply
        • Cedric Lee

          9 years ago

          no, team option is for this year. free agent after this year.

          teams give up huge prospects in the middle of the year at trade deadline all the time. there’s no reason they can’t get good prospects for him now from a team that could use him for a full season instead of just a few months. the problem is he has 10 and 5 rights.

          Reply
        • RichW 2

          9 years ago

          Jay Bruce

          Still, Bruce will make $12.5MM in 2016, plus a $1MM buyout or a $13MM option in 2017,

          Reply
        • kbarr888

          9 years ago

          I think Cedric is talking about Joey Bats…..not Bruce.

          Bruce Does have an option for 2017 at about $12 mil……Bats IS a FA after this season coming up.

          Reply
      • A'sfaninUK

        9 years ago

        Yes he will, he’s in the prime of his career and turns a borderline team into a contender. Imagine if he winds up on the Twins, Rangers, Dodgers, Astros or Red Sox?

        Reply
        • dwilson10

          9 years ago

          I understand that he’s good and can hit around 40 home runs but I’ve never heard of a player being in the prime of their career at 35 or 36 years old. So you’re saying that you’d give a guy a 3-4 year contract that takes him to 40-41 years old for 100 million?

          Reply
        • A'sfaninUK

          9 years ago

          You’ve never heard of Barry Bonds?

          Reply
        • dwilson10

          9 years ago

          Are you forgetting he used steroids when his production started slipping. Maybe try and find someone who didn’t cheat to improve their career.

          Reply
        • metsws

          9 years ago

          RA Dickey

          Reply
        • kbarr888

          9 years ago

          LOL….anyone seen the pictures of Bonds as a Marlins Hitting Coach? He’s lost about 50 lbs since he stopped playing.

          Kinda makes you go “Mmmmm…..doesn’t it? Yea, I know he never failed a test……..they had stuff to take to help them with that, just ask A-Roid…..and we all know that “Barry had connections”…….LOL

          Reply
  8. hoyce

    9 years ago

    I’ll guess if Bruce is traded to BJs it would be for someone like biagini

    Reply
  9. chri

    9 years ago

    Hearing Saunders will go to the Angels according to Bleacher Report

    Reply
  10. jaysfan77

    9 years ago

    Lol okay bud, he’s worth 5 years at 100 million after the season, yet is worth nothing now. Ok

    Reply
    • seamaholic 2

      9 years ago

      One year is worth a lot less than five years. Jays wouldn’t get more than a couple B prospects for Bautista.

      Reply
      • micg

        9 years ago

        Right. like the lousy haul the Braves got for one year ofUupton, and one year of Heyward!

        Reply
      • kbarr888

        9 years ago

        Maybe the Jays would trade Bats for Bruce plus a prospect?

        Reply
  11. Troutstanding45

    9 years ago

    The Angels have far and away the WORST farm in the bigs. I wonder what they would be dealing here…

    Reply
  12. Ray Ray

    9 years ago

    So the Reds are trying to add a third team in order to get prospects that they might not want from Toronto. They choose the Angels, the team with the worst farm system in about 10 years? I get that Jay Bruce has had a couple of rough years, but he still has a fair amount of value due to his power. Cincinnati really doesn’t grasp how this rebuilding with prospects things really works, do they?

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    • seamaholic 2

      9 years ago

      Who else wants Michael Saunders enough to give up a young player or two? Beggars can’t be choosers here. Although I think Bruce is worth enough more than Saunders that the Reds should be getting a prospect from the Jays too.

      Reply
    • Cedric Lee

      9 years ago

      it’s a salary dump for the reds. no point paying bruce when the team is so far from contention and won’t be contending for a few years.

      Reply
      • seamaholic 2

        9 years ago

        No salary dump. This is Bruce’s last year, and there’s nothing to buy with the money they’re saving by “dumping” him. So this is not a dump.

        Reply
      • Ray Ray

        9 years ago

        If it was a salary dump, Bruce would have been traded already. The Reds are looking for the right deal for him. A salary dump means you are willing to take almost anything just to not pay him. That is obviously not the case here.

        Reply
  13. Matt Galvin

    9 years ago

    It looks like that deal not happening. Angels do need LF.

    Reply
    • A'sfaninUK

      9 years ago

      The Angels also have no prospects to trade.

      Reply
  14. kingfelix34

    9 years ago

    The Angels aren’t really helping themselves if they add the injury plagued Saunders

    Reply
  15. roti78

    9 years ago

    Bruce having a couple years sounds like a perfect t.o. fit. See Bautista/ Encarnacion stats. Even look at Donaldsons monster 1st year. Bring in the Bruce

    Reply
  16. A'sfaninUK

    9 years ago

    Wow, to me this looks like Joey Bats said he wanted over $100M for 3-4 years so the Jays are going to trade him asap for a huge prospect haul and replace him with Bruce for the near future.

    Reply
    • dwilson10

      9 years ago

      The Jays would not get a huge prospect haul for Bautista. Teams realize he is injury prone and only has another good year or two left. Then add that at the end of the year he is looking for around 100 million, which won’t happen.

      Reply
      • A'sfaninUK

        9 years ago

        “Injury prone”?? Buy a clue! He’s played 155 and 153 games the last 2 years at 10.9 fWAR. Whether you like it or not, Bautista is a massive, massive superstar in his prime. He brings in 2 top 50 prospects plus more, even for one season. Especially if he goes to an AL team who can extend him and move him to the DH when he gets closer to 40.

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        • dwilson10

          9 years ago

          Look at 2011-2013 he couldn’t stay healthy and he plays hurt every year and the guy isn’t getting any younger. I’m not saying he isn’t good I’m just saying you never know when injury might end his season.

          Reply
        • A'sfaninUK

          9 years ago

          2011-2013? Who cares? You are just wrong. He is simply not injury prone. At all. End of story.

          Reply
        • double

          9 years ago

          Bautista is 35. In their mid-30’s players many players will drop off a cliff. Look at the “Similar Batters through 34” on Baseball Reference. Most of them didn’t have productive careers after that.

          Reply
        • dwilson10

          9 years ago

          You have to look at a players whole career not just the years they do good. Most of his injuries happened when he was younger so what does that say about his ability to stay healthy at 35 and older. It’s not likely to happen.

          Reply
        • BeenThereDoneIt

          9 years ago

          Recent history would tend to contradict your statement when it comes to Joey batts though, wouldn’t it. Give your head a shake. He is an absolute beast and one of the best hitters in baseball.

          Reply
    • Torontopoly

      9 years ago

      10-5 rights. He could block any trade.

      Reply
  17. joshbresser

    9 years ago

    Jocketty decides to involve the team with the worst farm system that Keith Law has ever seen. Hilarious. Absolutely hilarious. Reds lose again.

    Reply
  18. catcher12

    9 years ago

    I see this as a chance for Jay’s to solidify lf. Saunders to whoever team would be a bounce back guy, don’t know other parts moving

    Reply
  19. cheftay

    9 years ago

    If this deal happens, and if Bruce can get back to being the hitter he was a few years ago…the Jays are going to have a pretty ridiculous line up, especially once Travis comes back and bats lead off. Where would Bruce even bat? Do you put Tulo in the 2 hole and push everyone back a notch, and have Bruce batting 6th? Martin bats 7th, then Smoak/Colabello 8th and Pillar 9th…

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  20. koldjerky

    9 years ago

    I highly doubt that suggests the Angels providing prospects. Gotta think the Jays are since Saunders isn’t anything at this point. Angels probably throw a LOOGY to the Reds.

    It’s a:
    Angels: hey we want Saunders and will give you AAAA player Z
    Jays: naw
    Jays to Reds
    Jays: you want the Angels to play with us too and you can get AAAA player Z?
    Reds: Sure but you’re still giving us 99% of the deal.
    Jays: yeah we figured
    Jays/Reds to Angels
    Jays/Reds: alright, come on up on the bed with us.
    Angels: Yay!

    Reply
    • lazorko

      9 years ago

      Sounds about right. Anything else doesn’t make sense.

      Tony Reagins ain’t the Angels GM anymore, so neither the Blue Jays or Reds are gonna think they’re getting Taylor Ward for Michael Saunders.

      Reply
  21. Overbrook

    9 years ago

    Every team has middling prospects they trade. That’s all Bruce is worth…you aren’t getting a “good” prospect for that low production at that salary in hopes that he will improve. I wouldn’t mind the Chisox taking the Angels spot, but again, mediocre prospects only.

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  22. stryk3istrukuout

    9 years ago

    Well, I’ve got to say…this is surprising, but I can’t think of a more ideal landing spot considering the mashers in that lineup. Sure, it’s tougher to hit in the AL, but that lineup and a likely winning record helps take a lot of pressure off. Crazy to think that 5, maybe 6, regulars on that team are capable of flirting with a 30 home run season now.

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  23. Ayy-Aron

    9 years ago

    As long as none of the Angels Pitchers are going in this deal.
    By “prospects standards” that goes for: Tyler Skaggs

    Reply
  24. Cam

    9 years ago

    Are the Angels bargaining with magic beans? I didn’t know they had anything else.

    Reply
  25. thebeatlesshow

    9 years ago

    I can only guess that the Angels will have to give up pitching. That’s all they’ve got. None of their prospects…at any level…are in anybody’s top 100. Maybe a marginal arm from the bullpen. any thoughts, anybody?? (We’ll probably know in an hour or so, anyway.)

    Reply
  26. snag25

    9 years ago

    Why aren’t the Angels getting Jay Bruce if we are providing the prospects

    Reply
    • seamaholic 2

      9 years ago

      $$$$. Bruce takes them over the luxury cap.

      Reply
      • stymeedone

        9 years ago

        Anybody takes them over the cap.

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        • thebeatlesshow

          9 years ago

          it’s got to be a young arm who’s been on the ML roster. Saunders is going to make $2.9 Mil…which, according to Arte, puts the team over the luxury tax threshold. So, it’s got to be someone making more than ML minimum….maybe Al Alb uerque…prob not. Angels just signed him. ..or hector Santiago…and I would think they could get more for him than Michael Saunders.

          Reply
        • theo2016

          9 years ago

          Santiago isnt very good. Basically a swingman.

          Reply
        • martinc27

          9 years ago

          Most likely Blue Jays will eat some of the cost for Saunders so Angels stay under threshold. Worse case it may be Tropeano otherwise it’s another stupid deal for the Halos

          Reply
    • Matt Galvin

      9 years ago

      minorleagueball.com/2016/2/2/10902230/los-angeles-… 2 3B that might interest the Reds.

      Reply
  27. hittingnull

    9 years ago

    Angel prospects going to Reds. Wow, I did not know they had prospects to give.

    Reply
    • Matt Galvin

      9 years ago

      Max P. the Catcher,Cron and so on to Reds maybe.

      Reply
      • BeenThereDoneIt

        9 years ago

        Say what?!?

        Reply
      • HalosFan8

        9 years ago

        Those two aren’t getting dealt for Saunders…

        Reply
  28. pillar

    9 years ago

    Jeez the Jays need to save cap space with Bautista or EE. so they can give the contract the that either one may want. but what’s stupid is why would you need another outfielder seeing that you have Ryan Goins can feild Kevin pillar batista coloabello Jake lake Saunders and pompey. one of the best out fields in all of MLB and why add some one else when you plenty of depth. no idea were the Jays r going with this one.

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    • Torontopoly

      9 years ago

      Cap space?

      Goins is an infielder and Colabello was probably the worst defensive OF I’ve seen dawn a Jays’ uniform. Bautista will be gone after this year, Saunders is in the trade and Pompey and Lake are still fairly unknown commodities at the major league level.

      Reply
      • stymeedone

        9 years ago

        Would “budget space” make you happier.

        Reply
        • Torontopoly

          9 years ago

          Oh so you know their budget? Go on…

          Reply
  29. BeenThereDoneIt

    9 years ago

    This from a braves fan? Really? You know what they say about glass houses right? The Jays with a lefty like Bruce to break up the righties in the middle of the order could have 6 guys who hit 30 homers and have upwards of 100 ribs. That’s ridiculous considering the still have Martin, Travis and pillar on top of that. Martin and Travis could hit 20 plus and pillar 10-15 with 40 doubles and 30 sb’s.

    That’s an overwhelming line up

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    • dematteo1982

      9 years ago

      I’d love if the jays made it to the world series against the mets…..our staff will have a field day with that lineup……a dangerous lineup.. Yes…..but the mets pitching would be licking their chops….cubs have a similar lineup..look what happened to them….same thing would happen to the jays

      Reply
  30. dwilson10

    9 years ago

    Agreed. Their hitters are very good but their pitching is terrible and probably the worst in the division.

    Reply
    • BeenThereDoneIt

      9 years ago

      You aren’t paying attention then. Not a lot of depth, but when your offense scores 6 a game, I think you won’t need depth. Just a bunch of guys that throw to an era of 4 to 4.5. The Jays have 3 guys that will be less than 4 and one guy in stroman who looks to be a legit top of the rotation guy. Then you throw in a wild card like Sanchez and you may be quite surprised.

      That back end of the bullpen is pretty stellar. Maybe not Yankees stellar, but at last top 10 in baseball. Cecil storen and ozuna are pretty formidable…

      Reply
    • theo2016

      9 years ago

      Orioles have the worst pitching. Toronto prolly second worst, its not that bad considering the offense. Yankees pitching is really injury prone so can be leapfrogged if tanaka gets hurt. The rays are the onlt team with a dearth of starters.

      Reply
      • dwilson10

        9 years ago

        I’m not saying the O’s have 5 aces but it’s the exact same rotation that took them to the ALCS 2 years ago except now they have Gallardo who is just as good as Chen

        Reply
      • thecoffinnail

        9 years ago

        Chen is a lefty which is far better to have in the AL East than a soft tossing righty..

        Reply
    • BeenThereDoneIt

      9 years ago

      Oh, and don’t forget they have the best 3rd baseman, best right fielder, best Dh one of the best catchers, one of the best cf’ers, the best shortstop, and you add Bruce to that with an up and coming Travis as well as colabello. Well, I think you catch my drift. Best lineup of the past 25 years or so. Reminds me of WAMCO of the World Series from 93.

      Reply
      • dswaim

        9 years ago

        Best 3B is certainly arguable between Machado and Donaldson. You can make a case that Ortiz is the best DH. A really good case. Mookie Betts is playing RF for the Sox this year and considering Bautista’s age, Betts could easily be the better RF of the two in 2016. Martin is a really, really good C, but not a huge separation from McCann, Wieters, and possibly Swihart if he continues to progress. Adam Jones, Jacoby Ellsbury and Kevin Kiermaier could all make a case as best CF in the division in 2016, and JBJ could continue his breakout. I’d say its pretty even between all the clubs in CF. Bogaerts for 160 games is better than Tulo for 50 games and Goins or Barney for 100. The bullpen is no higher than 4th in the division, maybe 5th, and you could make a case they have the worst rotation. I think the Jays make the playoffs, but barely, and if Stroman hits the DL, they’re toast.

        Reply
      • Ray Ray

        9 years ago

        I think Nolan Arenado belongs in that conversation as well. Just because he plays in Coors Field, doesn’t mean he is not a legit superstar.

        Reply
  31. Diablo 2

    9 years ago

    wtf are Angels giving up? this is going to look very ugly for Halos.

    Reply
    • lazorko

      9 years ago

      I’m wracking my brain trying to figure out how this isn’t going to be a Tony Reagins-like brutal deal for the Angels.

      Reply
    • petrie000

      9 years ago

      anything the Angels are giving up from their farm they can afford to lose….

      Reply
  32. HalosFan8

    9 years ago

    If the Angels are giving up “prospects” for Saunders, I’m thinking the ageless Matt Shoemaker. He’s looking like an extra piece anyways. Not like we’ll luck out and deal CJ for Saunders + additional prospects. If the Angels just get Saunders back, they still will probably look to dump somebody with salary (not that Shoey has a 7 digit salary)…

    Reply
  33. jdubs346

    9 years ago

    If all we have to give up is Saunders then this is a good trade for the jays

    Reply
  34. seamaholic 2

    9 years ago

    What a peculiar little trade. Doesn’t seem to benefit anyone.

    Reply
  35. petrie000

    9 years ago

    this was probably really exciting for the Reds fans up until the part about ‘Anaheim will be providing the prospects’…

    Reply
    • sigurd 2

      9 years ago

      lol!

      Pretty much.

      Reply
  36. stormie

    9 years ago

    “Still” not going to be any good? You realize you’re talking about the team that crushed everyone is runs and run differential last year right?

    Reply
    • dematteo1982

      9 years ago

      And it got them where….

      Reply
      • Cedric Lee

        9 years ago

        to the playoffs. only 1 team wins the world series. doesnt mean all the other teams are bad. jays were very good last year. this is a dumb remark on your part.

        Reply
      • dematteo1982

        9 years ago

        Never said all the other teams are bad, but if you think a lineup full of mashers is the way to a ring, you are sorely mistaken…. After Stroman ( who grew up 10 mins from me, so I’m a fan of For) what pitcher on the jays can keep them in a series with the mets, cubs or giants….. Playoffs are nice..but you don’t make trades to get to the playoffs…. A contender like Toronto makes trades to win the world series, and I’m sorry, but another masher when your help rotatio . Is mediocre at best makes no sense imo

        Reply
  37. Yamsi12

    9 years ago

    Wtf are the Angels doing??!! Lol.

    Reply
  38. Yamsi12

    9 years ago

    Angels are dumpster diving hoping to find a diamond in the rough. Great to see Trouts best years wasted playing with greats like Nava, Saunders, Gentry, Giovatella, Cron, Escobar, and company….all we really need is Jeff Mathis back behind the dish and we are set!

    Reply
  39. Yamsi12

    9 years ago

    Makes no sense for the halos

    Reply
  40. triberulz

    9 years ago

    I’m guessing Toronto is going to pay most of Saunders contract thats why the Angels send prospects. Reds are probably dumping Bruce’s contract on the Blue Jays & are ok with minimal prospects from the Angels because they save $$. With the Reds bullpen situation my guess is Bedrosian + 2 fringe prospects.

    Reply
    • RobM

      9 years ago

      When dealing with the Angels, the real question is what prospects? Their farm system ranks dead last now.

      Reply
  41. sigurd 2

    9 years ago

    Second Jay Bruce trade in the past 6 months scuttled?

    hmmmm…

    Reply
    • kbarr888

      9 years ago

      Everyone’s trying get Bruce for a cheese sandwich, and the Jays giving the Angels an injured player (albeit a good one) didn’t help this deal. I’m alone on the “Bruce could have a nice Bounce-Back year” bandwagon, but I would be hoping that Bruce had a nice 1st half, then trade him nearer the deadline. Injuries and “contender emotions” would probably allow a bigger return than a Spring Trade would. New team could just exercise his option for 2017, then get a draft pick for him.

      Reply
  42. georgebell 2

    9 years ago

    Are Saunders’ medical records really holding up this trade? Is it really a surprise to the Angels that he may not be 100%?

    Reply
    • sigurd 2

      9 years ago

      Mookie Betts probably ran him over with a golf cart on his way to spring training.

      Reply
    • Ray Ray

      9 years ago

      It’s actually not Saunders that was the hold up. I am actually shocked that it wasn’t him.

      Reply
  43. RobM

    9 years ago

    Health is a skill, and Saunders doesn’t have it.

    Reply
  44. Mark 20

    9 years ago

    Honestly, and this is weird for me to say because I am not a fan of saunders, but I would actually rather have saunders than bruce ESPECIALLY if we are paying bruce’s full salary. Our lineup is definitely built around power so it is nice to have some versatility like saunders rather than bruce who I believe relies on his pop for most of his production. Saunders is also the better defender. I am okay with getting bruce though, just not paying his salary. I guess until a deal is completed I cant speculate too much.

    Reply
    • kingfelix34

      9 years ago

      So you would rather have Saunders on your DL all year than pay more for Bruce who will play all year

      Reply
  45. Philliesfan4life

    9 years ago

    maybe the angels could get this deal done, and if saunders is healthy then it’s a big steal. If the jays don’t bring bautista back watch Arte spend big for him

    Reply
  46. beyou02215

    9 years ago

    The Indians should have been in on Bruce. Decent bounce-back/change of scenery candidate to give some O support to that stellar pitching staff.

    Reply
  47. nyycanadian

    9 years ago

    I guess this is the end of Bautista in Toronto past this year, Shapiro is looking to get a cheap replacement, after this season I think the Jays will decline quick unless they spend, I wonder what Bautista asked for proudly more than 100 million

    Reply
  48. lazorko

    9 years ago

    Whew, glad this one evaporated (as an Angels fan).

    Deal just seemed too weird to actually happen. Can anyone think of another salary-dump trade that was a true three-way deal?

    Reply
  49. spinnerroo

    9 years ago

    How bout Wilson for Bruce?

    Reply
  50. draushaus

    9 years ago

    I can’t believe Toronto can’t come up with another suitable prospect and get the deal done – without the Angels. Or come up with someone other than Saunders who would be acceptable to the Halos. Blue Jays would be fools to give up on this one.

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