The Red Sox are telling other clubs that they have interest in exploring trades for both starters and relievers this summer, Evan Drellich of the Boston Herald reports. It’s all preparatory work at this point, rather than specific trade discussions, but it appears that the club’s path is beginning to be charted.
Boston’s rotation has been marked by intrigue for some time, with Steven Wright’s emergence, Eduardo Rodriguez’s return from injury, and the struggles of Clay Buchholz and Joe Kelly among the storylines. While David Price remains the staff ace, with Rick Porcello also locked into a spot, it appears that the team could look either to bolster its depth with a solid veteran or add another top-tier option.
The bullpen, meanwhile, has seen its share of impressive performances and looks to be a strong unit overall. But the loss of Carson Smith and some concerns with Koji Uehara — who, it should be noted, still carries outstanding peripherals — raise the possibility of adding another impact late-inning arm. It’s certainly possible to imagine the organization targeting a power southpaw if it does so. Robbie Ross has signifcantly boosted his swinging strike rate, which is promising, but Tommy Layne continues to issue too many walks and hasn’t been as effective as usual against opposing lefties.
As Drellich notes, while the focus may be on arms, it remains plausible to imagine a move for an outfielder as well. He opines that the club could pursue a left-handed-hitting platoon partner for Chris Young or chase a bigger piece to take over regular duties in left field.
I’m pretty afraid of how overvalued pitchers are going to be on the barren market. But at the end of the day, this team does need another 2-3 type starter and ideally an effective lefty reliever.
The pitching market is going to get ugly (for buyers). Then again,
* if you are a buyer ‘if you think you need it (one last piece), you need it’.
* if you are a seller, ‘OK then, take it or leave it… I can sit on my assets or talk to 2-3 other teams’
Scary environment (for teams other than the mets, Rays, Indians)
I think they should keep asking the A’s about gray. Yes billy beane keeps saying he’s not available but he said the same thing with Donaldson and then traded him to Toronto so keep asking about him billy will bite eventually.
Its not that grays unavailable. Its that your gm isnt going to like what hes going to ask for gray.
Sonny Gray and way lesser guys for Ball Ramos Travis Devers Johnson Espinoza. Its negotiable, but not by much.
Travis Devers and Espinosa? That’s steep.
That probably isn’t enough!!
I think thats a good start to talks but I can’t see the sox parting with Espiniza, especially with Gray having such a down season. To me a fair trade idea for both teams would be something like:
Devers
Swahart
Travis
Owens
Marroio
Ball
Coyle
Kopech
Ramos
For
Gray
Hill
Doolittle
Would they give up one of there outfielders plus more for Tehran
Red Sox Interested In Both Starters And Relievers And Position Players Who Are In Shape To Play Everyday
Braves have trade for you Terhan , Perez or Norris , Johnson ,Krol , Olivia , markakis and Braves will take panda if you equal salary of Olivia but they would want moncada , swihart , groome Light , Johnson , ball and either benintendi or Travis and com pic next year and international pool money
Why don’t we give you Bogaerts and Betts too while we’re at it?
And a time machine with Ortiz so you can make him 10 years younger
You forgot about the Sox throwing in 2 years supply of Oreos for the rest of this season.
So a #3 starter and a bunch of throw ins for 4 top level young talents…
Throw in vizzy and Free man and maybe they’d consider
Teheran/vizciano/Ozzie Albies/LHP (Krol) to Red Sox
Moncado/Benintendo/Swihart to Braves
Reasoning- Moncado blocked at 2nd, redsox OF is really good (Castillo not great). Albies softens lose of Moncado, Red Sox get 3 controllable arms for the next 4 plus seasons.
Braves get a legit bat (Moncado) and 2 very good hitting prospects.
Works for both teams.
Getting better than most proposals, but for some reason do not feel Sox are the ones to deal with.
Braves ain’t trading Ozzie Albies. He’s got a much brighter future than Moncada.
That’s unlikely. Moncada has significantly more power
A laughable proposal
Haha….I think they call that fleecing, Arizona style!!!
Just say no to drugs
Why do you keep proposing these ridiculously outrageous 20 player trades? These trades are not at all realistic or worth even talking about. If you said Atl will trade Teheran and Viz for….then ok but Boston doesn’t need/want Olivera or Markakis.
Plus you clearly have no clue about the rules of draft picks….Boston will not have a draft pick they can trade. Plus compensation picks can’t be traded either.
Is there any chance, any chance whatsoever, that the Pads would be willing to offer Drew Pomeranz? Basically could they be in a complete sell mode?
Because of his controllability, low cost, and age….and the fact that he is doing well this year, they would probably ask for the farm. Not that they should get it, but they would. A better (potentially) ask would be Ross. Coming off injury, no numbers this year, could be a huge pick up for the BoSox…wouldn’t be super cheap but still has another year and is bonafide number 2-3 already. Wicked slider on the kid.
To be honest I’m not really concerned about the price tag, just whether or not he could be on the market. Even at a high price he could be a long term answer for the Sox.
Ross still isn’t even pitching at all. If he makes it back this season, which I doubt, it won’t be until after the trade deadline. he doesn’t have much trade value right now.
But he is already a proven 2-3 starter with one more year left…that is what I said. Pom will be more expensive right now since he is on a tear and is controllable where as Ross will be cheaper so to speak (not cheap by any means) but less valuable because he is down right now. Just calling it like I see it…Ross is not made of glass. He will be, why would they rush him for this crap year they are having? They would love to have a healthy trade bait to dangle but again, he will be here next year (unless traded).
I think they should cause his value will probably never be higher and they need a rebuild
Not disagreeing with you….but they wont “give” him away.
Seen enough of Cashner, Ross, and Pomerantz… Not sold on any!…A’s have the movable pieces with short term contracts that are more reasonable and have produced far more then the fore mentioned Bravos or Padre players
Yeah…cause them A’s are tearing up the place (stats and wins)…short of Hill (now injured), who is having such a great year that they “produced far more” than the Pads or Braves staff? Just curious, cause Im sure they arent bragging about the year they are having…even Grey is having a crap year (in his standards), but go on and educate us about the All Star staff I am missing.
I really like Pomeranz since he was a prospect. Hes looking great this year and he is cheap. He wouldnt take a lot of prospects because of his injury prospects. Devers and maybe Ball would do it. If im Dombrowski ill already call the Padres for him. We could also consider Ross because right now his value is down.
Teheran, Vizcaino, and Tyrell Jenkins for Moncada, Devers, and Benintendi
Julio Teheran has finally stabilized himself as a low 2, high 3, with one hell of a contract that greatly improves his value to other teams.
Also, Vizzy, now that he is healthy, is one of the more dominant closers trotting out of the bullpen in the NL.
Tyrell Jenkins could be either a pretty solid bullpen piece, or he could become a young piece to add to the back-end of the rotation for Boston. Whichever role they needed Jenkins to fill, I’m sure he could provide value for their team.
JT also has a FIP of 4.14 and also has a horrible HR/9 rate. In other words, red flags to pitch in Fenway.
How bout just Tehran/Viz for Benintendi/Devers
Braves would like Moncada but his contract is $31 million. Might be too rich for them
Sorry, but I think you are confused about the 31,5 million you are indicating here. That money plus another 31,5 million penalty was just to have him sign with the Red Sox. That means before he even put on a RS uniform it cost them a total of 63,0 million to play for the RS. At this moment there is no further money commitment with Moncada. Nevertheless, Red would never trade Moncada for anyone less than a Joe Fernandez or Mike Trout type of player. So for now this will not happen…
Comparing Moncada’s value to Trout and Jose Fernandez is pretty ignorant. Dude is in A Advanced.
At no point did he comparw Moncada’s value to Mike Trout; he is merely stating that any deal that includes Moncada/Benintendi will be for a much better player than Julio Teheran.
Listen, Teheran is a nice piece, but the Red Sox are not going to piss away their future on a decent SP with a nice xontract.
And Ozzie Albies does not have a brighter future outlook than Yoan Moncada, as you asserted above. That’s absurd.
Albies may not have a brighter future than Moncada, but I wouldn’t think he doesn’t have a bright future. Don’t forget Albies will be 19 all season this year and is in AAA while Moncada is a 21 year old in high A. Both players still have a lot of adjusting and growing to do before either is considered anything more than a high talent minor league prospect.
Is it moncadas fault he wasn’t even in the country at 19? He sat out a year from organized ball and is ready to make the climb. Comparing age and and level doesn’t work in this case.
Thanks Salad F, you got my point right on.
I think braves would be willing to start spending. They are baseballs version of the Sixers and need to excite fanbase
If they wanna go for some less flashy names the Phillies have, SP Helickson, LH LF Asche, & RP’s Gomez, Nerris, Hernadez, Bailey.
Not Bailey. We had him couple of years ago and it was not pretty
If Tyson Ross proves hes healthy by the deadline sox could buy low on a groundball pitcher
Preller has shown a willingness to not sell low on guys. Upton kennedy shields kimbrel/gyorko. He doesnt get what he thinks is fair he has no issue holding on to him and trying over the winter.
Last year yankees offered mateo and others for kimbrel and roughly half of gyorkos contract. He balked at that and dealt kimbrel for margot allen guerrera and asjuae. Dealt gyorko and little cash for jon jay. Which jon jay has.put together a great season and is going to be dealt. So he got more for kimbrel and gyorko then the yankees offered.
So i wouldnt consider it a lock preller sells low on ross. Still has 1 more year remaining.
And he’s also made mistakes. Where he should have shopped Shields and gotten Fulmer so the jury remains out. Is he more intent on trading a little lower seeing that they are going to spend huge on the international market. Or will he keep Ross knowing that shoulder injuries are extremely problematic and could return nothing. IMO I think he keeps Ross to try and have him rebuild value.
I know trade within a division don’t happen, but the the Sox could use Andrew Miller, and a Moncada plus a lesser prospect could get it done maybe.
Agree sox could use miller, but so could every other contending team. Sox fans have to begin to accept the notion that Moncada no longer has ‘top 100’ value (too many teams have now seen Moncada play ‘away from the island’) and (ref above) Swihart has more value ‘not’ as a catcher, which means his overall value is drastically diminished (is his bat a ‘top 100’ bat? No… Is he a ‘top 100’ corner outfielder? No.
Swihart is a very good prospect (probably better than Moncada), but where does he ‘slot’ now that he has proven he won’t be a stud ML catcher?
What are you talking about? Moncada is batting 300/419/476 in high-A as a 21-year old? Those are insanely good numbers. He’s also stolen 35 bases in 56 games and has a K:BB ratio of 56:40. These are elite numbers and make him not only untouchable but easily a top-100 prospect, probably a top-10 one, actually.
Laughable
Well if he was a “good player” he still wouldnt be in low ball.
I make fun of RS as much as anyone (so easy) but in this case you’re way off. Moncada is easily a Top 10 in baseball prospect. Some consider him the best position player prospect in the game.
I hope this comment was sarcasm, but if not…well, teams generally send their prospects up the ladder, one level at a time. He spent last season in low A, this year he’s in high-A. I would guess he’ll get jumped to double-A this season and spend a bit of time in AAA next year before making the majors.
He’s very young for the league – he’s a year and a half younger than the average player in the league. He is the #3 prospect in baseball according to BA and the #7 prospect according to BP and MLB.com.
Wonderful logic going being discussed today…..
Huh? Moncada is a Top 10 prospect. Swihart is no longer a prospect and even if he was, his ranking would drop significantly.
Swihart at this point is nothing more than an injured quasi catcher quasi outfielder. He might improve with the bat somewhat but he has shown horrible defense so far as a catcher and his bat (even at it’s best) profiles as a below average left fielder. Those types of players scream “I’m a back up at best”.
The RS may challenge for a playoff spot but with 100 games to play they have a lot of “iff’s.”
If they trade from their present 40 their isn’t much there teams would take.
Travis gone for the year. Swihart will take months to rehab a bad ankle. Kelly and Buch are a mess. Hanley is mired in a slump–looks awful at the plate. Panda done for the season. Holt may be a month away with concussion. It’s amazing they are 1 game out.
I would hesitate trading some of their top prospects when they are an injury to Ortiz, Pedroia, Vazquez, Betts, Xander, JBJ away from being out of the race–yes this early.
Be patient Sox fans–if BB wants to move Gray–he will be in touch with DD. Tehran, if available–the Braves know every jewell the Sox have. Espinoza is not leaving the Sox.
Sit tight BB and see if Elias can fill the 5 th slot in two more weeks or give Buch another shot. We are not desperate yet. I would like Miller back.
Watch out for the Yanks–Miller, Betances and Chapman with a lead after 6 are just about unbeatable.
Your scheme is also valid for any of the the other 29 teams in the MLB. RS just like anybody else will always needs to identify the best depth available in the market at the moment to strengthen their weakest positions. Since you’ll never know when you’re forced to use it.
Julio is not going to the Red Sox unless they get desperate. He is not an AL East SP. I think the Red Sox will make a move for Pomeranz. I don’t know who they give up but I think he fits more their style.
For the right team Julio is a solid number 2 but could also be a real good number 3. With room for improvement. He is young and cost controlled so a team would not only get a quality SP that has really only had 1 bad year but they get potential in a deal as well because he is still young enough to grow into what he was projected to be.
I can see the Red Sox making a move for Krol although the return to the Braves would be minimal.
I think an Upton/Pomeranz package would make sense for both teams. Now Red Sox fans what would you give up and Padre fans what would you want ?
Braves Fans- stop making trade proposals to the RS.. just wait for some rumors.
I, personally, was and still for trading with the Pirates.. Meadows is much better than any prospect we can get imo and even if we do Teheran for Austin Meadows straight up, I’d be doing flips.
Keep reading that Boston needs relievers and it’s just not true. What they need (should) do is stop see-sawing Hembree back and forth to the minors when he’s been one of the most stable forces in the pen, just because he has minor league options. Just DFA Layne, he’s only good against LH hitters and awful vs RH hitters. Let someone else have him if they want him.
Also? Stop throwing Hembree, or Barnes out there for 2-3IP at a time as long relievers, or 1 at least. 1 can be the setup guy to Taz for the 7th-8th inning. Barnes might walk a lot, but hitters just flat out are not getting around on his 97+FB this season after he show them his curve and Hembree? He comes out throwing 94-6 with a filthy slider in his 1st inning of relief and during the 2nd-3rd successive inning? The velo drops to the 92-3 range, making his slider a bit more hittable for a 2 pitch pitcher.
IF Bucholz HAS to take up a spot? Use him and Ross as long guys.
I want you all tell me something . I’m going to give you 16 contracts that are contracts of what most people would say are so call number 2 pitchers and I want you to tell me which one you all want your team to trade for if you they are not on your team
Player—-years—–total salary
A———4———-62,800,000 million
B———4———-67,million
C———2———32 million
D———4———79,200,000 million
E———1———20 million
F———2———20 million
G——–3———-57 million
H——–2———-41,833,334 million
I———4———-62,500,000 million
J——–4———-37,800,million
K——–2———-25,500 million
L——–2———-32 million
M——-1———-2 million first year of arb
N——–1———-543 thousand 1 year arb
O——–3———-39million
P——–4———–92 million
I admire your effort but there is so much meaningful variation between “so called no2 starters”. Is he Lh or Rh? a ground ball pitcher, K/fly ball guy? young or old? Whats his temperment? is he a good clubhouse guy? can he handle the pressure of boston? what will it take to acquire him? Of course the longer the contract on a team friendly deal the better, the shorter the contract on an expensive contract tbe better. But its a total oversimplification
Ok here some of the number you ask for career
Pl–age–seasons–W–L– era–starts-So–BB- —Ing—-c/war–whip–Fip–
A.–27—-8———98-80–4.37–220–872-310–1321—12.0—1.344-4.05
B.–27—-3———28-13–3.08–56—339-63—-368.2—3.3—-1.020–3.48
C.–32—11———83-80–3.82–230–1225–482-1394—22.7–1.302–3.73
D.–31—-9———-54-65–4.04–143–969—344–1072.2-8.3–1.267–3.82
E—34—-11——–143-86-3.48–303–1537–506–1916.2-36.1–1.172–3.90
F—33—-11——–76-79–4.39—230–1107–451–1405—13.7–1.350–4.17
G–30—–9———58-51–4.19—168–832—378—1010—7.3—1.311–4.03
H.-31—–12——–98-104-3.52–301–1585–644—1925.2–31.2–1.193–3.80
I—27—–8———98-80–4.37–220—872—310—-1321—12.0–1.344–4.05
J–25—–6———43–39–3.37–113—619–201—-715.1—10.6—1.171–3.93
K–32—-10——–81-89–3.99—243—1231–663—1494.1–14.4—1.300-4.03
L–37—–14——172-129-3.88–399—-2049–728–2563.1—36.3—1.301–3.83
M–30—-7——–42–39—4.04–114—528–230—719.1—–4.7—–1.322–4.29
N.-30—-4———30–22—3.14–60—–313–103–436.1—–9.0—–1.150–3.66
O.–30—10——-84–76—4.41–200—-970–290–1204.2—-12.5—1.293–4.10
P—30—8——–78–53—3.31—189—949–236—1165.0—-21.8—1.162–3.43
Now does that help you little
I commend your dedication to this but this chart is perhaps the most muddled and confusing thing I’ve ever looked at in my life.
Also every one of these pitchers are right handed .
I really like Pomeranz since he was a prospect. Hes looking great this year and he is cheap. He wouldnt take a lot of prospects because of his injury prospects. Devers and maybe Ball would do it. If im Dombrowski ill already call the Padres for him. We could also consider Ross Because right now his value is down.
What is funny to me…is last summer Diamondbacks fans said their GM would never ever ever….about 1000 times….but he did….one thing has become overly noticeable over the years….GM’s (actual GM’s paid to do this for a living) value prospects and players much differently than their fans think they do…personally I would rather see the Braves match up with the Yankees in a Teheran Freeman plus….for Miller, Judge, Bird, and Sanchez…..maybe a little back and forth between the AL East mega monies will get what Coppy wants….amazing thing is Braves dont have to trade anyone…can sit tight for as long as they want too…there is little to no pitching avail that can match the stats or contract of Teheran….if someone wants him the will pay…and they will pay huge…
lets not forget the good ol’ Frank Wren who did such a wonderful job dismantling the Braves farm system and blowing out our budget on bad contracts is now a VP to something / an adviser to the BoSox GM….might be time for some pay back lol….
Hope they trade for Sonny Gray or Thor
Those pitcher will never be trade gray is face of franchise and Thor well it’s mets I now but at end of the day there still in New York they will never going to trade them and beside both are pre arb players there is no need to trade them the same think is to be said with Fernandez and the Marlins so you all need stop with your pipe dream those team would have to get every team farm systems and2 all ready budding super star ml player so stop dreaming Red Sox fans
Sox need an outfielder, starter and reliever. Would consider calling the Padres for Myers, Pomeranz/Ross and Rodney. A Benitendi, Swihart, Devers, Owens package could work. Would also consider giving the Mets Shaw and a high pitching prospect for Harvey and putting Moncada at 3B.
Travis Shaw for Matt Harvey? That’s not a real proposal, is it?
Bye the way the answers to the plays are
A is Rick porcello
B is tanaka
C is anibal Sanchez
D. Is Jeff samardziga
E. Is Jarrett weaver
F. Is Jason hammers
G is homer Bailey
H is matt Cain
I is Ian Kennedy
K is matt garza
L is John lackey
M is Dillion. Gee
N is tanner Roark
O is Phil Hughes
P is Jordan Zimmerman
Ow bye the way j is julio Tehran so you see he better then all of you think Tehran look better when you look at his age statices and his very team friendly contact so I hope you now realize why the Braves would want so much for him and if you look at what you all call number 1 you mite be surprise how closer to the number are not adding his contract and age so take time to look up numbers since you all think he not worth what Braves fan have been saying he worth
I want to take this to even bigger leave for you all here are what most of you will all say are number 1 cy means contrat year and Tcm means total contact money f.a means free agent
N–age–y-W–L–Era—G.S.–So–BB–Ings—war—whip–Fib—C.Y–TCM—arb–f. a.
A–26—4-36–26-3.15–85—469-179–551—10.2–1.175–3.87-1–526 ,000-17–20
B–28—8-64–26-4.10–162–706-331-931—-12.0–1.303-4.45–1-6,250,000-17-18
C–28—3-20-8—3.88—37—186-60–243.1–3.4—1.212–3.28-1-516,000—18–21
D–27—4-29-31–3.99—80—459-100-474—6.3—1.158–3.40–1-4,300,000-17-18
E–27—5-36-39–3.49—106–650-223-637—8.8—1.224–3.50–5-35,500,00
F–33-12-162-107-3.53–330-2078-668-2190.2-45.2-1.200-3.44-4-106,000,000
G–30–6—46-41—3.42—115-796–169-761—14.4—1.145–2.95-5- 59,100,000
H–29–7—35-39—4.04—90–548—162-589.2-8.1—-1.338–3.53-4–33,000,000
I.—26–4—28-24—3.42—71-461—136–415.1-8.2—1.197–3.43-1-536,500,000-17-21
J.–30–12-147-103-3.11–344-2195-656-2325.1-50.8-1.172-3.22–4-82,572,000
K–29–4—41-25—3.26—86–699–224-561—-13.5–1.194-3.22–2-21,000,000
L–27–7—64–37–3.09—145-1011-215-862.2–16.3–1.090-2.83-7-175,000,000
M–27–4–29–26–2.84—78—510–114-509.1—11.3–1.055-2.81-1-4.325,000-17-19
N–27–3—26-16–2.64—62—405–97—392.1—9.4—1.063–2.73-1 607,000–18-21
O–23–2—15-9—2.82—36—-261–73—226.2—5.1—1.032–2.77-1-539,375-18-22
P–23—4—31-11-2.38—59—-446-110—363.2–11.6–1.023–2.41-1-2,800,000-17-19
Q–25–6—42–36-3.37–113—619-201—619.0–10.6–1.171–3.93-4-37,800,000
R–30–7—65-39–3.53—142–804-298—804.0—18.0-1.160–3.47-1-10,700,000-17-18
S–34-11–126-71-3.09—234–1381-409-1647.1–33.1-1.168–3.15-2-39,000,000
T–25–4—45–24-3.03—85—-495–132–531.2—8.5—1.168–2.91-1-541,000-17-20
U–30-9–105-71-3.22—239—1252–429-1516—28.9–1.170–3.73-6-131,166,667
V.–32-13-150-96-3.37–336—1960–524–1960–50.1–1.183–3,32-5-172,500,000
W–29-7–32-53-3.64—102—633—371—670.2–5.8—1.320–3.38-1-9,625,000-17-18
Know for you look at these numbers tell me who you like
It’s pretty difficult to read this