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bsteady powers
@Jason what are the chances Vogelbach goes before the deadline?
angelsinthetroutfield
I get that Vogel has been really good the last two yrs or so but what is his true value? He was a mid 20s prospect in the Cubs preseason rankings and is truly limited to 1B. Any chance LAA could nab him for Shoemaker or maybe a pen arm like Huston Street?
bsteady powers
And what’s adequate for Chapman? If say something like Candelrio, Vogelbach, and Ho-Tseng???
jmorrison8
Jen-Ho is the first name. Tseng is the last name. No, that’s not enough for Miller.
jmorrison8
Jen-Ho is the first name. Tseng is the last name. No, that’s not enough for Chapman.
bigcubsfan
Chapman is only under contract for the rest of the season. He is a free agent after this season. Candelario, Vogelbach, Tseng is too much for Chapman, if you look at what the Reds got in return over the winter. I would be fine with Vogelbach, Tseng or Blackburn, and some other upper level hitter like Zagunis or Hanneman
jmorrison8
I get that. They’re gonna get a top tier prospect or just hold onto him for the QO compensation draft pick. You can add Chapman for that top tier prospect and a throw in. Miller can be had by adding that top tier prospect to this package or similar.
bigcubsfan
The Cubs would not trade for Chapman, if the Yankees do ask for one of their top prospects like Torres or Contreras, but I do think someone like McKinney or Cease with another prospect in the Cubs top 20 (like Vogelbach) will be enough to get Chapman.
Priggs89
The Reds return over the winter has absolutely nothing to do with what the Yankess could/should get for him. They shipped Chapman out of town because they didn’t want to deal with his potential legal issues.
jmorrison8
Contreras isn’t in the prospect discussion after the debut he’s had. I don’t think he’ll be going anywhere for anyone. I’ve stated in previous posts that Torres would go anywhere without involving a SP in return. I could see the possibility of a larger deal for both Miller and Chapman that would include Torres, but it’s not likely.
One Fan
I disagree. That is an overpay for Chapman who is only a rental
bigjonliljon
Too much due to Chapman being a rental. Remove one of Candy and Vogelbomb. For Miller….. Your in the ball park
disgruntledreader 2
Removing Dan Vogelbach from a trade package reduces the overall value of that package by about 0.01%
cubs7
Which organization do you work for? Just curious cause if you believe that Vogelbach has a 0.01% trade value then you clearly should be removed from your position. His value to a AL team is a lot more then a NL for sure but the kids a flat out good hitter and should be a OBP machine.
disgruntledreader 2
The kid’s gonna get eaten up by big league velocity inside and sliders off the outside edge.
And yes, I was being hyperbolic. But the average Cubs fan/poster has Vogelbach’s trade value pegged way too high.
One Fan
Disgruntledreader has no clue on player values if he thinks Vogelbach is worthless. He is far from that. A big nice lefty power hitter has plenty of value
billysbballz
Not quantity it’s quality and that is not enough quality to get Chapman. I keep hearing 2 month rental but you can keep saying that till your convinced it’s true because when post season starts nothing else matters and you need the guns to win it all. Lefty closers like Chapman are generational talents and if you can get him for s chance to win a World Series your giving up more quality then Vogelbach or Candelario plus a fringe prospect. I would think you start with Ian Happ and Candelario and add a fringe prospect or you start with Gallo and add fri ge prospect. I don’t thin Yanks are liking for 3 average one or two dimensional prospects for Chapman when they can get a first round pick for him in a very deep draft.
Kayrall
Start with Happ or Gallo. LOL
morgannyy 2
I agree Chapman can take you to a title. I’d like to see the Yanks try and wiggle out of Ellsbury or Headley in a Chapman deal. “You get Chapman and this baggage …”
CubsFanFrank
It’s all about supply and demand. When the trade deadline rolls around, there’s always somebody willing to comically overpay for rentals, especially an elite arm like Chapman.
I’m not saying that I think that the Cubs should give up that kind of package for 2 months of Chapman, I’m saying that somebody will.
CubsFanFrank
ETA that with the 2 wild card system, there are a lot more teams that consider themselves to be fringe contenders come the trade deadline, which puts the sellers in the catbird seat.
justinept
That’s the expectation, but not the reality in the NL this year… There are a half-dozen teams that are actively seeking the top draft pick.
disgruntledreader 2
Given that the Padres have already lost one trade candidate to the DL after initial x-rays came back negative, the “scare” won’t become minor for most around the Padres until Norris has been back in the lineup for a few days.
ZachPadres24
Well, unlike Jay, they don’t HAVE to trade him this season
mookiessnarl
Not sure why Wilkerson hasn’t seen at least one spot start so far. Unless the Sox want to keep him in AAA so they can have someone that hasn’t disappointed them yet. I mean he may not be able to handle ML pitching, but if they don’t figure that out at least they can pretend they have one more option they haven’t tried yet.
johnsilver
Bodies they can throw out there in Wilkerson, Haley and for those Sox fans who probably missed it today? Brandon Workman made his 1st rehab start in the GCL and went 2 IP.
His last half of a season was awful and due to a partially torn UCL, finally went down for good ST 2015. Getting him back would be a super bonus and something not counted on by much of anyone not Sox related come August.
docmilo5
Yeah, crazy that Wilkerson hasn’t got more interest. Putting up a career MiLB BAA of .205 and a 1.05 whip with his 9.45 K/9. The guy put in 135 IP last year with great numbers and the experts totally whiffed on this guy.
Thanks for the article. I added this guy to my fantasy prospect roster and he’s going to be a solid keeper.
stl_cards16 2
As a 26 year old at levels from rookie ball to AA. I hope you’re in the deepest fantasy league ever, or your team must be pretty bad.
Bobby Sweet
“[Y]our team must be pretty bad.” Insult the guy instead of having the common sense to know that talent can come from anywhere at any time. How old was Joey Bats when he turned his career around? Kid just got to the minors and has put up solid numbers. Give him a chance rather than assume he’ll flame out because he’s 26.
mnsports
Wilkerson just got traded to the Brewers too
vacommish
Braves would be a good trade candidate for Norris as they are looking for a controllable C with the ability to hit. Norris doesn’t become a free agent until 2019, and while he is arbitration eligible, they may be able to hammer out a four year agreement within budget.
krillin
I am down for that as a Braves fan
stl_cards16 2
Should be noted in the article that Hedge’s hot streak coincides with going to the PCL. Obviously it’s a nice power surge for him, but it should be taken lightly when you look at the context.
disgruntledreader 2
It’s also coming off of hamate surgery, which usually saps power for some time, in May. He came back about two weeks faster than anticipated and then started this barrage.
CubsFanFrank
The thing about Vogelbach is that when you’re skill set is limited to hitting only, you have to be really good at it; like vintage Adam Dunn good. And while Vogelbach’s continues to impress with the bat, he’s still yet to exhibit that kind of monster power.
jbigz12
Why? I’m pretty sure billy butler carved out a pretty nice career without ever having anywhere close to elite power.
dlevin11
Chapman as a rental would only be worth one or two prospects but maybe higher prospects
stl_cards16 2
The quantity of prospects does not matter at all.
cubsfan24
I think Vogs gets a bum rap. Hes not a game changer by any means but I think he has value to any team with an open dh/1b. So he can’t play anywhere on the field, not alot of players can. I think people concentrate so much on what he can’t do that they don’t really see what he can do. I don’t see why people don’t think he will hit at the pro level when hes been a good on base guy at every stop, he has decent power not great but decent. I know he’s not headlining any deal but if I’m an AL team I’m asking for him as a secondary piece just for the potential