Here’s the latest hot stove buzz from Ken Rosenthal’s latest notes column for FOXSports.com…
- “The universal feeling” within the Red Sox organization is that top prospect Andrew Benintendi will surpass the likes of Kyle Schwarber and Michael Conforto in terms of being an all-around player. There is also some sentiment that Dave Dombrowski “is sold on Yoan Moncada becoming a superstar.” So the Sox could well have their long-term answers at left field and third base spoken for, or Boston could deal one of these top youngsters for a pitching upgrade. Rosenthal feels that the Sox would only move one of these two “a true, controllable ace,” and no pitcher like that appears to be available at the deadline. Boston might go for a lower-key pitching upgrade at the deadline and then wait to pursue an ace in the offseason when such names as Jose Fernandez or Matt Harvey could be had. Since so many of Boston’s issues can be traced back to its struggling rotation, Rosenthal doesn’t think Dombrowski will or should make a rash move like firing John Farrell or trading a top prospect for anything less than full value.
- The Indians will be looking to add both a reliever and another bat before the trade deadline.
- Beyond the Rangers’ top prospects, they have several other minor leaguers getting attention for possible trades. First baseman Ronald Guzman, outfielder Ryan Cordell, catcher Jose Trevino, and righties Ariel Jurado and Connor Sadzeck are a few names who Texas could possibly use as trade chips if the likes of Lewis Brinson, Jurickson Profar or Joey Gallo are untouchables.
- “A low-revenue team cannot afford to miss on so many decisions,” Rosenthal notes in a review of several moves that have recently backfired on the Twins. The signings of Kevin Jepsen and Byung Ho Park were justifiable and Park could still develop into a productive bat, though Minnesota has gotten little return from Phil Hughes’ extension and the acquisitions of Ervin Santana, Ricky Nolasco and John Ryan Murphy.
None of the pitchers available are worth trading our top prospects for.
None of the pitchers worth trading our top prospects for are available.
Red Sox should probably just keep their bluechip prospects until elite pitching is really available.
Then guess what…you guys are STONE COLD LOCKS to watch October Baseball on tv…instead of being on the field…because there is NO FREAKING WAY that you guys make the playoffs…throwing THREE BUMS out there 3 out of every 5 days (Price and Wright can only pitch 2 out of every 5, lol).
So keep your prospects….we’ll KEEP Teheran and Vizcaino and build our rotation and bullpen around both of them..who are HELLA CHEAP and UNDER TEAM CONTROL until 2020!
How can you talk garbage when you are a Braves fan.. Great for you, maybe by 2020 you’ll have a watchable team.
Are Harvey and Fernandez controllable Aces? After this season they would be down to two years of control and while Boras has a few extensions to his name these two don’t seem like good extension candidates, unless Harvey’s struggles continues.
BOS should have the money to extend either if they want to (with Ortiz and Koji coming off books along with lux tax possibly increasing). Fernandez would be a pipe dream, but if you trade for a talent like that, you absolutely should try to extend him
200+ million dollars on two pitchers seems like insanity even for a large market team in Boston, are they going to extend all those young hitters for bargain basement prices too? Teams rarely trade controllable Aces for a reason, Boston only options to get an ace is develop one or trade for a couple years of one, or overpay for one, through extension or free agency. Trading top prospects + giving up 200 million for a possible extension seems like the dumbest move.
They’re not, an available, truly, controllable ace doesn’t exist right now.
Ronald Guzman, not Ryan.
If the sox do not get help for their starting rotation I do not see them making playoffs
Even if they make the playoffs, they maybe get through the wild card round but I do not see they taking 3 out of 5 from the Indians or Rangers.
That said, the truth is making no deal might be the better move for the Sox long term. The trade market always changes over time. After being on the bottom for a couple of years, just making .500 would still be nice. Not the send off some fans would want for Ortiz but the Sox shouldn’t rush to make a bad deal just to turn the entire season into the Ortiz show.
Red Sox might have a few MLB-ready pitchers in minors but most of them are in need of further seasoning.
If the Sox wait until the off season to trade for a top arm, this season is over for them!
Sox should look for AL pitchers who knows if the NL pitchers will pitch in the killer hitting al east.
They should have traded for Chris Sale BEFORE the White Sox became a good team all of a sudden. Sure the price would be hefty but he is debatably the best pitcher in the American Legue, and with good receiving catchers like Boston has he would be doing even better than he is now.
Sale was never on the table and they are not even a good team, last i checked they had fallen to 4th
Lol. Now I’m definitely not saying they are a great team, but the way you judge “good teams” is absolutely ridiculous. Yes, they are currently in 4th. But they are 3 games over .500 and only 0.5 games behind KC and 1.5 behind Detroit. That’s with a mother of a schedule too.
If they jump back up to 2nd place by the end of the week (which is very doable with Detroit playing Cleveland and KC playing Toronto), would you consider them a “good team” then?
No! reason why? Detroit its getting healthy and the rotation is stable with the addition of D. Norris. Not to mention they are heating up offensively even without J.D. Martinez. The White Sox have luxury of playing their next 6 games against the lowly Yankees and Braves. In which they shouldn’t finish no worse than 4-2. Then they face Seattle, Detroit and Cubs, and with no run support for Quintana and not knowing what you’re going to get from light me up Shields. I just don’t see them being a better team than K.C. or Detroit.
They’ve had one of the hardest schedules in baseball up to this point (top 2 or 3 depending on where you look), and up to now, they’ve held on despite a god awful mid-May to mid-June. They also just won series in Boston and Houston, and they won a series against Toronto (Minnesota too, but they suck). They earned their opportunity to play against a couple crappy teams.
Bottom line is that they’ve proven they can be VERY good (start of the season), and they’ve proven they can be VERY bad (previously mentioned stretch). Realistically, they are somewhere in the middle most likely. I see them finishing just over .500 with an outside chance at a wild card spot if things go well. The Royals starting pitching is atrocious, so I wouldn’t be too worried about them running away. Detroit’s pitching is far from being scary unless Verlander has a time machine; they don’t scare me either. I don’t see Cleveland keeping this pace up, but that being said, I still see them winning the division (albeit not a runway).
Either way, the season should be fun to watch play out. In my eyes, the division has 4 average-to-good teams (with none being great) and one bum team. I wouldn’t be surprised if any of the 4 mentioned teams make a run for the division.
I agree regarding Benintendi/Moncada. If theres an ace available (probably not this deadline but maybe in offseason), sure, see if you can put a package together. For a 2/3 like Teheran? Id pass, not worth trading a blue chip talent for a good, not great pitcher IMO.
For now, they should look into the mid level arms for cheaper prices. BOS SP issues is not that they lack a TOR pitcher, its that they have two pitchers with a 5.5+ ERA in rotation. Hill, Santana, Pomeranz or Moore make some sense.
Look Sling Blade…..NEITHER Hill, Santana, Pomeranz NOR Moore are playoff caliber starting pitchers…NOR will any of them really help save your bullpen (in other words, those BUMS will be lucky to pitch 5-6 innings during the three games that Price/Wright ARENT PITCHING IN! Boston’s bullpen would be TOAST by September.
If Boston OVERWHELMS Atlanta for an offer for Teheran AND Vizcaino….Teheran (while I feel he should be a #2 behind Price) would be A GREAT #3 behind Price and Wright…because Wright’s knuckler would have opposing hitters HELLA OFF BALANCED when he pitches between Price and Teheran. Teheran simply goes 7-8 innings a start….has matured into a pitcher from a thrower since last year’s All Star Break (look at his numbers since then). He’s only owed $41 mil over the next 4 1/2 years…in his age 25-29 years (HIS PRIME YEARS)! Vizcaino is under team control until 2020 also. Vizcaino has been Atlanta’s closer…however with Boston he could slide into the set-up man behind Kimbrel (and close games when Kimbrel has already pitched 2 days in a row).
With a Top 3 of Price, Wright and Teheran all going deep into games….then it is up to Farrell to get Porcello to be effective enough to go AT LEAST 6 innings a start (he’s only going 5 1/3rd per start)…..as to not tax the bullpen too much. Porcello is someone you want as a 4th starter…NOT someone you want starting Game 3 of ANY playoff series..EVER!!!! Teheran and Vizcaino would slide right in and HELLA STABLIZE both the rotation AND bullpen! With Boston’s offense and defense (except for Hanley at 1st, lol)…..Boston is primed to make a SERIOUS RUN at a World Series this year (and next….because Teheran and Vizcaino ARE NOT ‘one year rentals’, lol).
Think about that…..before you start DOGGING Teheran and Vizcaino! The value they bring……in talent, youth, affordability, length of team control AND LASTLY, the lack of quality, playoff caliber starting pitching available on the market……makes both Teheran and Vizcaino BOTH a good fit…AND HELLA PRICELY! Atlanta is in the Driver’s Seat here. Either pay our price…or enjoy watching October Baseball on tv!
Ok Mr. know it all! …. And whom do we trade to get this deal done? Please don’t tell me you would trade Moncada or Benintendi for a #2 starter at best and who by your own admission would be a # 3 starter on this team. So please enlighten us with your master plan.
You can use all the capital letters you like, but I think most people would be hesitant to pay the price you want for Teheran because he has done his pitching in a park and league that makes it easier to put up the stats he has, and most people think that he would not be as good pitching in hitter’s parks like Fenway and the other parks of the AL East. Simple as that.
Dude come on. I’m not going to argue about the Teheran thing because it’s so tiring and old. I do want to say something about one of your points. You said it’s easy for Teheran to put up the stats he has because of the park and league. So you’re saying that Clayton Kershaw stats are inflated because he pitches in the NL and in Dodger Stadium? I don’t think the best pitcher in baseball right now cares where he is throwing and what league he is in. So every pitcher who pitches in the NL has inflated numbers? Arrieta, Fernandez, Bumgardner, Cueto, Degrom, Thor, Cole and any other good pitcher in the NL has inflated numbers? If you say that inflates Teherans numbers then you have to say it inflates other pitchers numbers. Good pitchers are going to get hitters out, doesn’t matter the league. Will their be an adjustment period and is the AL a little tougher? Probably so. But pitchers can make a smooth transition from one league to the other. The last 4 out of 6 world series champions wouldn’t have came from the NL if the AL was just so dominant and impossible for NL pitchers to pitch in their ballparks and pitch against an AL line up. I just don’t agree with that
Look at arrieta’s numbers when he was in the AL. There not pretty lol
also, Porcello is averaging not 5 1/3 innings per start, but 6 1/3.
Red Sox need s fourth or fifth starter, and will pay only for that.
Nolasco really has been decent. The era doesn’t match the actual story. He is a decent piece to be had with another year and a team option.
Would be nice for the Twins as well. Get a half decent prospect and prepare for the future, which I still think is bright.
Yohander Mendez is another Rangers prospect, great year and his stock is way up. Always had raw stuff, some issues with injury in past, maybe top 100 prospect now.
He looks like he’ll be a reliever and I wouldn’t call him a Top 100 prospect either.
Baseball Prospectus disagrees
Jespen was a trade not a signing and he pitched phenomenally well last year for the Twins. The pitcher signings have been mostly bad, though Santana hasn’t been terrible. Even though John Ryan Murphy has struggled mightily, Aaron Hicks hasn’t been tearing it up so it wasn’t much of a loss.
I understand that Nola has been completely awful the last 6 weeks, but no one really expects that to hold up.
Maybe the Sox could target one of the Phillies pitchers? Nola, VV or Eickhoff are all solid-ish looking MOTR arms. Eickhoff is extremely underrated. They’d all probably cost a lot, but they’re young, controllable and all are healthy. Look past Nola’s ERA a bit. He had a 2.65 ERA through May.
Brixton, I don’t see the Phillies mortgaging their future rotation for Prospects no matter how good the prospects will be.
I would rather see my Braves keep Teheran AND Vizcaino and build our starting staff and bullpen around those two (who are under team control until 2020..especially Teheran who is only owed $41 mil over the next 4 1/2 years. Try finding someone like Teheran, who will be aged 25-29 HIS PRIME YEARS, for only $41 mil over the next 4 1/2 years!)…….THEN see them trade them to Boston for ANYTHING LESS than Moncada, Bentinendi, Swihart, Devers, Kopech AND Espinoza!
That’s right….Boston’s top 6 prospects (who history has proven are not locks to be All Stars)…for our two young SURE THINGS who are HELLA AFFORDABLE for the next 4 1/2 years.
Oh….I almost forgot. It’s a SELLER’s MARKET! There is absolutely no quality starting pitching on the market (other than Teheran) who is playoff caliber AND CHEAP (neither by the August 1st deadline NOR in upcoming free agency at the end of this season).
Given that Boston wasted over $250 million on the likes of Runsey Castillo, Panda AND Hanley Ramirez……Teheran and Vizcaino are cheap talents that Boston is in need of. Also, in two years, when David Price can opt out of his contract (meaning that Boston will have to fight with The Yankees, who have all kinds of money coming off the books, for the privilege of paying Price AT LEAST $40 mil a year)…..Teheran 2018 contract of $8 mil, 2019 salary of $11 mil AND 2020 team option of $12 mil will look like A FREAKING STEAL!
Either pay us a King’s Ransom…OR be stuck with that payroll (and in Big Papi’s last year when he’s raking at the plate) watching October Baseball on tv..because there is NO WAY that Boston is making the playoffs throwing BUMS out there in 3 out of every 5 games (games that Price and Wright aren’t pitching, lol).
The Redsox wouldn’t even consider Moncada+Benintendi for Teheran and Viz, never mind adding Devers, Espinoza, and Kopeck. This trade is as realistic as Chrisitan Vazquez for Mike Trout,
In all reality, if the Braves get offered Moncada for Teheran they should jump on it asap. Teheran is a 2/3 Viz a reliever.
I would hope that Atlanta NEVER trades Teheran for Moncada straight up. That would be a TERRIBLE trade! Our ace, under team control for the next 4 1/2 years for only $41 mil in his age 25-29 years (given how EXPENSIVE starting pitching is on the free agent market) for a prospect who, history has shown, is far from a guarantee……would be FOOLISH!
Teheran has matured in the past year! Early in his career, he was more of a thrower. Now, he’s a pitcher…and the stats reflect that since The All-Star Break last year.
No thank you. I’m MORE THAN HAPPY with seeing my Braves keeping Teheran AND Vizcaino and building our rotation and bullpen around those two for the next 4 1/2 years on CHEAP CONTRACTS. Good luck Boston trying to make the playoffs in the next few years on that EXPENSIVE PAYROLL and no way to improve their starting pitching.
Also, you forgot Porcello, who is a solid #3 and his peripherals are actually better than J Teherans.
Porcello is TERRIBLE. Peripherals are a joke! Sounds like a something you take for constipation, lol!
Seriously, dude’s only winning games because Boston scores lots of runs when he starts. His ERA is way above Teheran’s (who has THE WORST runs scored for him in all of baseball).
Good luck paying Porcello $20 mil plus a year…while we keep Teheran and only pay him $3.3 mil in 2016…$6.3 mil in 2017….$8 mil in 2018….$11 mil in 2019..and a team option $12 mil in 2020 (in his age 25-29 seasons…HIS PRIME). Oh..and when David Price opts out in 2 years…and Boston has to fight with The Yankees (who have all kinds of money coming off the books) for the privilege of paying Price AT LEAST $40 mil a year…..then Teheran’s contract will look like A STEAL OF A DEAL!
Dude I’m just as much a braves fan as you are, possibly even more. I love Teheran, and I love his contract. I also wouldn’t trade him straight up for Moncada. But you’re being ridiculous. You can’t just throw away peripherals like they’re nothing and you can’t expect bostons top 6 (VERY GOOD) prospects for Teheran. I don’t see a deal happening because the braves (justifiably) want the world and the Red Sox aren’t dumb enough to give it up. I’m glad you’re such a big fan of this great franchise, but please stay realistic.
I appreciate comments like this. Props to you.
Dude, I know that stats matter. I love numbers myself. However on occasion, stats don’t tell the whole story. Teheran gets hitters out. He’s durable (never been on The DL), has a good throwing motion that never gives him arm problems), has matured into a pitcher from a thrower in the past year (look at his stats since last year’s All-Star Break)., he goes deep in games (consistently 7-8 innings). Even on nights when he doesn’t have it (like his last start against The Marlins..he went 6 2/3rs, giving up 5 runs total). By the way, the very next day, Jose Fernandez of The Marlins gave up 9 runs in 5 2/3 innings in Atlanta. Even an Ace can have an off day or two every year, lol!
Teheran saves a team’s bullpen. He can field his position and can handle the bat. He’s young and cheap (not enough can be stressed on the importance of the $41 mil owed to him during this age 25-29 seasons!).
I would LOVE to keep him AND Vizcaino. But if we get OVERWHELMED by Boston with an offer like I proposed…we have to take it. But ONLY IF Boston OVERWHELMS us, lol! Simple as that. A ‘fair/reasonable’ trade DOES NOTHING for Atlanta! It is HELLA HARD to find someone like Teheran and Vizcaino who are 25 years old AND under team control for the next 4 1/2 years with CHEAP CONTRACTS. Remember that…because if Boston wants a legit shot at making a run a The World Series this year (and next)…then they have no choice but to BE DUMB ENOUGH TO GIVE IT UP!
You are welcome CoryM. I try my best to not only put my points out there…but also explain my reasoning/logic behind them.
Any MORON can use the anonymity of The Internet to post online some BS they think makes the world of sense (to them, lol). However I feel that if you’re ‘man enough’ to post out there for the world to see what you feel should happen…then be ‘man enough’ to explain THE WHY behind your position! A lot of people get butt-hurt when they get challenged to defend their position. Not me. I RELISH an opportunity to explain myself…because I feel that if I’m in The Right….I should be able to explain myself, in theory, to ‘rational people’ (which sadly I’ve learned does not apply to many who frequent The Web, lol).
Red Sox fans are NOTORIOUS for overrating their prospects..while DOGGING what others have that they may be interested in acquiring.to fill a need. I’ve heard a plethora of “Julio Teheran ISN’T NEARLY ENOUGH for Blake Swihart….Atlanta needs to ALSO include Vizcaino AND Bud Norris (before he was traded to Los Angeles last week) before Boston would CONSIDER doing that trade.
What a bunch of NONSENSE/GARBAGE/IMBECILE ramblings from an escapee from Bellevue! Red Sox fans think that EVERY LAST ONE of their ‘highly touted prospects’ are going to be Hall of Famers/perennial All-Stars, lol! Whatever.
To spread the risk of some of them not panning out…I’m insisting that Boston includes all 6 of those guys (Moncada, Bentinendi, Devers, Kopech, Espinoza AND Swihart) in any trade for Teheran and Vizcaino…or we keep Teheran and Vizcaino and rebuild our rotation and bullpen around them for the next 4 1/2 years with their CHEAP CONTRACTS! No-brainer!
Atlanta has all the power here….it’s a SELLER’s MARKET! No need to panic Braves fan. We are very fortunate that our current Braves management team…judging from their track record of the past 2 years (with the exception of The Hector Oliveria Trade, which management recently admitted they error in/learned from)….that they know how to get MAX value when making a trade!
I think I speak for everyone who skimmed your obnoxious posts on this thread when I say, please, quality over quanitity. If you have a point make it. But this isnt your web blog, and if it was it would have zero subscribers.
I don’t know about that, he seems to be IN HIS PRIME blogging years, lol.
You’re insisting they’re all included? Lmao, and who are you? You think you’re going to get 5 top prospects, 4 of which more than one place has as being top 20-30, you’re on some some serious drugs. And the only person rambling here is you lmao.
Mike244 even I as a Braves fan believe that is too much, but don’t start with that peripherals stuff. Chris Sale is out pitching his peripherals right now so please don’t go there. Teheran has out pitched his peripherals his entire career. So lets just leave the peripherals out of it. They are not the tell all of pitching stats. They are not completely accurate for every pitcher
Jeez man I’m a Braves fan, but that is too much. We have to be realistic! That is not realistic. Teams would be hesitant to do that for Trout. Teheran and Vizzy have a lot of value, but if you’re expecting that kind of return, then you are def set up for a disappointment my friend
The Twins aren’t especially low revenue, payroll in 2011 in the second year at Target Field was an all time high and pushing double what it was just a couple years earlier. They don’t suck because of a lack of money, they suck because they’ve completely failed to draft and develop for ages. They’ve got money, as seen in the loads of money theyve shelled out for mediocrity the past few years.
The only team I would trade Teheran traded to is the Yankees for a package involving Gary Sanchez. If they can’t get a deal done with them then I don’t want to see him moved.
Vizcaino I wouldn’t be mad at being moved for the right deal. Maybe to the Cards for Wong plus a prospect or to the Rangers for Brinson. Def need to be overwhelmed to move him. If not he is the closer.
You are back on the Sanchez train? I though you jumped off when he went hitless in his debut.
Nah I am still on it lol but gonna def be more than just Sanchez coming back for Teheran. I am realistic though not expecting Severino, Judge, Mateo or Bird to come with him. But the Yanks got other prospects to move.
So Gary Sanchez is a reasonable return but Braves fans all across the internet require the Red Sox to send Moncada+Benintendi and oftentimes more? Word, okay then.
I am not speaking for all Brave fans I am speaking for myself. I have always tried to be as realistic as possible with any trade scenerio I put out there. My trade proposal would be Teheran & Oliveria for Sanchez, Acevedo, Refsnyder, Lundgren & Headley and money towards Headley’s contract.
I would honestly just say screw it and sign, trade, claim some starters that aren’t in a starting rotation right now, can’t be much worse than what we have we just need someone to keep the other team at like 4 runs
Get Mark Buehrle off his couch he can’t be much worse than Clay
“that top prospect Andrew Benintendi will surpass the likes of Kyle Schwarber and Michael Conforto in terms of being an all-around player.”
I would hope so, because both players have been more hype than player thus far. Yeah the names of Schwarber and Conforto are big, but neither has REALLY done much in the majors. Schwarber gets a bit of a pass because of injury, but he wasn’t that good in 2015. Aside from a couple of good games in the WS, Conforto has been relatively mediocre. He looks like the classic guy that the league figured out quickly after a hot start. Of course both are still young and could still become superstars, but don’t act they have already “been there, done that” because they just haven’t yet.
I have not seen either Tehran or Vizcaiano pitch–I have seen Benintendi play.
I think Buch will be traded or DFA’d by the deadline.
I would trade for Cosart for the balance of the year. Perhaps expand the trade to include Bruce.
I would then look at Jose Fernandez–heresy perhaps–trade Xander and Kopech or the Sox top minor league pitching prospect ??? maybe Espinoza. You have to give to get.
Cosart slips into Xander’s slot for the balance of the year. Next year either sign Cosart or have Dubon ready to slide in to SS. Fernandez is 1 or 2.
I would not rule out a trade of Price at the deadline by DD. I don’t think RSN would be terribly shocked or disappointed. This time of the season I wouldn’t be shocked at anything.
Trading Xander would be stupid, even for Fernandez.
“The universal feeling” within the Red Sox organization is that top prospect Andrew Benintendi will surpass the likes of Kyle Schwarber and Michael Conforto in terms of being an all-around player”
Same experts who signed David Price? Even if Schwarber ends up as DH, left handed power is a premium position as Ortiz proved.
Look people, the Red Sox are 1 of those teams just like the Yankees who think that God has has blessed their respective team to to compete for a Playoff spot every given season. It’s only a matter of time before their front office will panic and pull the trigger, and give the Braves exactly what they want for Julio Teheran. The Braves just need to sit tight and wait. Before you know it the Braves will be getting a haul that will include Moncada, Bentinnidi, as well as Devers….and the Braves will send only Teheran and will end up keeping Vizcaino to use in a deal to get rid of Markakis. Now of course the Braves will have to send some minor league players back to Boston, but the Red Sox will panic and the Braves will get a haul that will make the Shelby Miller trade look very minor at best. The Braves front office knows it’s just a matter of time.
Oh I’m sorry, I made a mistake. I said Devers but with the Braves signing Maitan, they don’t need Devers. The Braves will getting Moncada, Benentindi, and Swihart. Its only a matter of time.
Lmao you sharing drugs with the guy above? Moncada and Benintendi for a number 2-3 pitcher lmao. And Maitan is 16 years old. He’s at least 4 years from the majors, maybe 5 or 6. If they like Devers, they would trade for him.
Except Boston and New York are always relevant…. Hence the playoff appearances. Atl fans need to realize competent GM’s don’t hit the panic button, they just plug in 4/5 starters and ride the hot bat. If you have a strong core like Boston, there is no reason to give into delusions of grandeur, they are relevant and will be for 5 years easily.
A lot of delusion in this post.You think DD was born yesterday.If he was willing to trade Moncada,Devers and Benny in a single package he will go after Sale not some NL number 3 like Teheran.
If I may, please let me say that this Braves fan who has posted above does not represent all of us. Anyone with a lick of sense knows we wouldn’t ask for ALL of Boston’s top prospects in exchange of Teheran and Vizcaino. Teheran is a really good pitcher who could probably help Boston’s rotation during the stretch run. However, I’m not sure it’s worth Boston mortgaging its future to acquire a No. 2 or No. 3 starter. As for Vizcaino, he’s young and cheap (like Teheran), but in Boston he’d be nothing more than an eighth-inning guy. You aren’t going to break your elite farm system up by giving away prospects for a set-up man. I’m one of the world’s biggest Braves fan, but I’d be the first to admit I wouldn’t dare want the Braves to give up Ozzie Albies or Sean Newcomb for a No. 2 or No. 3 starter and what would effectively be a set-up man. However, I do think the Braves have the leverage here. How badly does Boston want to add to its rotation? I think we’ll find out soon enough. I’m fine with the Braves offering Teheran or Vizcaino IF AND ONLY IF Boston is willing to part ways with one of Moncada or Bentiendi. I doubt that happens and I wouldn’t blame Boston if it wouldn’t pull the trigger.
If any true Braves’ fan thinks we’re getting AB and Moncada in a package for Teheran, you’re delusional. You’re making the rest of us look bad. If we got ONE of those guys, I’d be over the moon.
“Since so many of Boston’s issues can be traced back to its struggling rotation, Rosenthal doesn’t think Dombrowski will or should make a rash move like firing John Farrell or trading a top prospect for anything less than full value.”
So it is the rotations fault and they just need an ace of the staff to fix everything? Hmm. Isnt that why they since David Price in the first place? Looks like they’re still struggling even with him and Steven Wright having a terrific year. Although I think it is fair to say they don’t have a top rotation, I think there is a continuous issue here which has continued since even before Farrell came on. Pitchers like Lester, Lackey, Porcello, Price, etc continue to put up poor numbers here despite seemingly having success everywhere else. Rather than throwing more money or prospects at the rotation, how about they remove Farrell and Willis and get some guys in here who actually seem to know pitching.
Red Sox won’t trade Mon/Dev/Beni unless it involves an ace. Gotcha. Makes sense. But suggesting Harvey could be that target? If I were a Red Sox fan, I wouldn’t be wild about that idea. I would like Fernandez a little more but only because of how dominant he is on the mound. Trouble is, it’s tough keeping him on the mound.
Like I said, the Braves do,t need Devers. And I know the Red Sox Nation really doesn’t want to hear this, but why would the Chicago White Sox give up Sale, or the Marlins five up Fernandez, if both teams are pushing for a Playoff run themselves?? What Playoff contending team is going to say “Sure, because you are the Red Sox and you are in need of pitching (because your “ship” is sinking fast) we will be happy to trade you our Staff Ace??” I think the answer would definitely be NO. So I’m not quite understanding why there have been posts by Red Sox fans saying…”well if we are going to have give up Moncada and Benentindi, then it better be for Sale or Fernandez??” That is the most ridiculous statement I’ve ever heard of asking for Staff Ace’s from Teams who are as just as much in contention for the playoffs as the Red Sox are. With that saying, I’m also not saying that Julio Teheran is of the caliber of a Chris Sale or a Jose Fernandez….but guess what boys, your ship is sinking fast, and Teheran is the best option that you have right now. So the Braves execs are sitting in the car birds seat right now. They have Teheran whom they are paying pretty much nothing for, under club control for 3 to 4 more years, and you have a team like Boston who would like nothing more to make the Playoffs and have a pitching staff that is killing their chances. Like I said, it’s only a matter of time before the Red Sox brass panic, and give the Braves what they want. Why? Because what other pitching options that are currently on the market?? Sonny Gray? He has sucked as much as the Red Sox staff has this season. Or should the selling point be….”Hey Sonny, what do you say we take your sorry butt on so you can join our miserable staff?”
Great post DUDE, Too Bad Red Sox fans are TOO STUPID/IN DENIAL about reality!
Let just end this all now. Just pull Teheran and Vizcaino off the market…and see how Boston scrambles and cries about how there is NO ONE out there worthy of making a trade with! Cry me a freaking river. Screw Boston! Keep your prospects.. We’ll HAPPILY KEEP Teheran and Vizcaino and rebuild our rotation around Teheran and our bullpen behind Vizcaino! Cheap Contracts…under team control until 2020!
Enjoy watching Baseball on tv come October Red Sox Nation! I’m out of here!