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Rockies Interested In Extension For Carlos Gonzalez

By Steve Adams | November 22, 2016 at 12:18pm CDT

There’s just one guaranteed year on Carlos Gonzalez’s seven-year, $80MM contract, but the Rockies are interested in working out a longer-term pact to keep him in Denver, the outfielder himself tells Venezuelan journalist Wilmer Reina (Twitter link). Gonzalez said that while the Rockies want an extension, there’s still a lot to be negotiated.

Gonzalez, 31, has been with the Rockies since 2009 and established himself as a star there earlier this decade. While he didn’t follow up 2015’s 40-homer campaign with that same type of power, he’s coming off  a season in which he batted .298/.350/.505 with 25 home runs and 42 doubles. That OBP was his highest since 2012, though Gonzalez’s walk rate, swinging-strike rate and contact rates all remained worse than the league average in 2016. The improved OBP was driven by a slight dip in strikeouts and a more notable spike in his average on balls in play. Gonzalez’s defense held steady at average to slightly above, in the estimation of metrics like DRS and UZR, though Gonzalez has a more favorable reputation around the game, as he was a Gold Glove finalist in right field this past season.

For the Rockies, though, they have a trio of left-handed-hitting alternatives in the outfield in David Dahl, Charlie Blackmon and Gerardo Parra, although the latter of that group struggled through a terrible first season in Colorado (.253/.271/.399). There’s been some talk of moving Gonzalez to first base, but as MLB.com’s Thomas Harding notes (Twitter links), that thought was due more to recent injuries than to a perceived need to move him for defensive purposes, and it also wasn’t necessarily an immediate plan.

Certainly, with four left-handed-hitting outfielders, it could be argued that Gonzalez is a somewhat superfluous asset for the Rockies, who should look to cash in on the still-productive veteran in a trade. (MLBTR’s Jeff Todd explored this more at length when previewing the Rockies’ offseason.) The Rockies, though, do seem intent on trying to contend in 2017, and Gonzalez is a better option in the outfield than Parra, so hanging onto him would make the team better. Beyond that, the return for a 31-year-old that is owed $20MM in his final year before free agency may not be as robust as many would expect considering Gonzalez’s name value. Considering the flooded corner outfield market, the Rox could feel there’s a chance to get a similar return if they explore a trade in July rather than moving one of their more productive bats before the 2017 season even opens.

Whether pursuing an extension is wise, of course, is entirely dependent on the price. Gonzalez would be 32 in the first season of a theoretical deal, and his bat is likelier to either continue at its solid-but-elite 2016 pace or to decline than it is to return to the form he showed in his mid-20s from 2010-13. Likewise, his defense figures to deteriorate a bit as he progresses into his mid-30s. For a team whose payroll is on the rise but still doesn’t compare to the most aggressive-spending clubs in the game, a misstep on an extension — even one for a player that is one of the faces of the franchise — would be a significant burden.

Certainly, with current holes at catcher, first base and in the bullpen (plus opportunities to add some rotation depth), an extension for Gonzalez wouldn’t seem like an immediate priority for GM Jeff Bridich and his staff. And while Gonzalez has voiced an openness to an extension quite recently due to the team’s improved play in 2016, today’s comments don’t make it sound like talks have progressed very far — if they’ve even begun at all. It seems likelier that an extension would be pursued later this winter, after some more of the club’s offseason shopping has been completed and after the team’s arbitration cases have been settled.

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  1. JFactor

    9 years ago

    4/80 would be plenty fair

    Reply
  2. KillahAC

    9 years ago

    Trade him to the Red Sox. Perfect DH.

    Reply
    • Cam

      9 years ago

      Why? He still has value in the field. The Red Sox need the DH spot in the future for the likes of Sandoval and Ramirez.

      Reply
  3. A'sfaninUK

    9 years ago

    Every time someone mentions the A’s being cheap and always trading stars for prospects, I always think of how much Cargo would have helped them from 2012-14 and shudder about how dumb it was for them to trade a prospect for a star player, and wish people never said that dumb thought.

    Reply
  4. dutch1008

    9 years ago

    They really do not have a hole at Catcher. Tony Wolters is fantastic behind the dish and slashed .321/.374/.488 in the 2nd half. Tom Murphy destroyed the PCL last year. Nobody thinks he’s Johnny Bench behind the plate but scouts believe he has enough skill to play there. While the sample is small he has slashed .266/.341/.608 across his 1st 32 MLB games.

    Jeff Bridich’s wish list will be 1B, the bullpen and perhaps a back end SP to buy some more development time for Jeff Hoffman and German Marquez.

    Reply
  5. g55s

    9 years ago

    Why would he want to stay on a team that will never win? Seems like a LOT of teams would pay him more than fair.

    Reply
    • JFactor

      9 years ago

      Maybe he likes it there? He is a person after all, he may have his own reasons and motivations

      Reply
      • A'sfaninUK

        9 years ago

        Yes, like a career 1.008 OPS at Coors vs .750 OPS away from Coors.

        As much as I rued the A’s trading him, he really isn’t a superstar, he’s more of a Coors mirage-types.

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        • astrosfan4life

          9 years ago

          I’ve always viewed him as a slightly above average player who is a “star” because of the Coors Field factor. His home/road splits are very telling. Either way, I’d be willing to see if I am wrong and have him in Astros uniform.

          Reply
  6. Logjammer D"Baggagecling

    9 years ago

    7 years 80mil. Why didn’t he want more? He could have gotten 180mil

    Reply
    • stl_cards16 2

      9 years ago

      No he couldn’t have. He wasn’t a Free Agent.

      Reply
  7. ChaplinBaseball

    9 years ago

    It’s hard to predict he will accept an extension since the market is very friendly in compensation terms… 70-30 % chances that he fulfills this year and have a breakout season… which will put him in a very nice 2017 FA class.

    Reply
  8. Lance

    9 years ago

    take him out of Coors and he’s a very mediocre player.

    Reply
    • JFactor

      9 years ago

      How can you possibly know that?

      My assumption is that you are basing this off of his road numbers. That’s not sufficient evidence to draw such a conclusion.

      Reply
      • dorfmac

        9 years ago

        Well, if we are talking about his performance away from Coors, and we aren’t allowed to base these opinions off of his road numbers, what exactly should we be referencing…?

        Reply
        • Z-A 2

          9 years ago

          Exactly. It’s not like he has 50 ABs on the road. 522 Games at Home, 521 Games Away. .323 BA @ home vs .258 BA Away.

          Reply
        • JFactor

          9 years ago

          The point is that you can’t know what he is as a hitter for another team because Rockies hitters are the worst road hitters (collectively) by a huge margin. Because there are huge disparities in what it takes to adjust to and from Colorado on a weekly basis.

          Some hitters hit way better after leaving Colorado than they did as a Rockie on the road (Walker, Holliday) some are the same, some are worse.

          The point is that it hasn’t proven as any frame work or what sort of hitter someone is going to be after leaving the Rockies.

          You can’t look at his road numbers and say that’s the sort of hitter he is going to be if he played elsewhere

          Reply
        • Lance

          9 years ago

          Walker and Holliday never produced elsewhere what they produced for the Rocks. We’ve seen what Tulo has done,. He was a 299 hitter for Colorado and a 320 hitter at Coors,. Only 250 since leaving for Canada on a team loaded with good hitters,. Matt hit 20 points higher for Colorado than he did for STL. Walker hit 60 points higher than for STL and Mon. Then let’s talk about Dante Bichette, Andres Gallaraga, Vinnie Castlla and Ellis Burks! CarGo is great—-for Colorado. But no reason for any other team to give up a lot of talent for a guy who is a ,260 hitter outside Coors.

          Reply
        • JFactor

          9 years ago

          This is entirely my point.

          Matt Holiday as a road hitter from 2004-2008 while a Rockie hit .280/.348/.455 – .348 wOBA, 108 wRC+

          Since leaving Colorado, Holliday has hit a combined .292/.379/.490 – .377 wOBA, 139 wRC+

          You can’t judge Rockies players based on their home/road splits because as a whole, their road numbers are artificially suppressed, just like their home numbers are great.

          No Rockies players hit well on the road outside of a season here (Blackmon this year) or there.

          Larry Walker is the only player above a 125 wRC+ career road hitter as a Rockie (131). And as good as he was as a road hitter for them, he was still a career 140 wRC+ even with spending so many years as a Rockie (he likely learned to handle the adjustment of the travel and movements and conditions).

          Basically, ever Rockies hitter is better after they leave Colorado than their road numbers (Tulo is in fact one of the only exceptions who is actually been worse – I speculate injuries are a bigger issue) and Justin Morneau who actually hit better on the road than he did at home for them.

          My point is you can’t use home/road splits for Rockies players. It’s not enough information.

          Reply
        • Lance

          9 years ago

          I don’t understand how Matt’s road numbers as a Rok were “artificially supressed”. His home numbers at Coors, like so many others, ARE artificially inflated. Same for CarGo and so many others as I’ve pointed out. Castilla, Walker, Helton, etc put up Hall of Fame type numbers with Colorado. Holliday had a decent career with STL but nothing to compare with his years in Denver. So why should any team give up a lot of talent for Carlos when history shows he’s not going to be the player he was? There IS plenty of information available based on the players I’ve mentioned,.

          Reply
        • JFactor

          9 years ago

          There has been plenty of evidence to support the challenges of hitting on the road as a Rockie and adjusting to the differences in ball movement, air, etc. This isn’t new information.

          Look who the worst road hitting team in all of baseball is since 1993 when the Rockies showed up
          fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&…

          It’s them by a good margin.

          .240/.306/.379

          Basically, as a team, they hit like Leonys Martin. You can’t judge them based on their road numbers. There is more to it than that.

          Every hitter hits awesome in Colorado as a home player. No team expects him to hit like that when he leaves. But he also isn’t as bad as his road numbers.

          2017 Cargo in another uniform is probably a .280/.330/.475 hitter.

          Better than his career road numbers, not as good as his career home numbers or overall raw numbers. This is 20-30 home runs. He isn’t a bad ball player, but not worth mortgaging your farm for either. He can hit 40 home runs in Coors. And so could Michael Saunders.

          Reply
    • brewcrewontherise

      9 years ago

      Cargo is no mediocre player. Obviously everyone who hits in coors is going to have home/road splits. But 40 homers is no joke, even there. He’s a well above average player no matter where you play him.

      Reply
  9. astros_fan_84

    9 years ago

    He’d be great for the Astros. A Gonzalez for AJ Reed deal could be interesting. By interesting, I mean highly controversial for both sides. Reed could be a dud, but CarGo could get hurt.

    Reply
    • gojira15

      9 years ago

      That makes a lot of sense. Astros wouldn’t have to add much for this to be fair.

      I wonder if Colorado isn’t bluffing a bit. Maybe the trade market for Cargo hasn’t been to their liking and they are trying to create bargaining leverage by saying they want to extend him. Then again, the Rockies love extending their star players.

      Reply
      • theo2016

        9 years ago

        add? cargo ain’t cheap money wise. it’s prolly an overpay by the Astros.

        Reply
        • gojira15

          9 years ago

          I think Reed’s stock took a minor hit with his ML failure this past year. He’s also too large to play anywhere but 1B. Colorado needs a 1B, true, but one-prospect-for-one-star swaps are rare. The closest example I can think of is Brett Lawrie for Shaun Marcum before 2011.

          Reply
  10. Z-A 2

    9 years ago

    Most HRs outside of Coors Field is at Chase Field – so DBacks? Otherwise, it’s best for his career if he just stays in Coors.

    Reply
  11. timyanks

    9 years ago

    i smell a sign and trade

    Reply
    • Logjammer D"Baggagecling

      9 years ago

      That doesn’t happen in baseball. It would be more like trade then sign his new team would work out the extension. He’s 31. He has two years left on his current deal. So the acquiring team would have to give him minimum 4 years and 80-88mil. Maybe an option for a 5th year and possible opt out.

      Reply
  12. Soxman81

    9 years ago

    The Rockies sure are stupid. You don’t need Cargo. He’s no longer in his prime. You have alternatives at his position. TRADE HIM!
    You should have after 2015 when his value was at its peak.

    Except….. you’re the Rockies, so you have this strange loyalty to players that have helped you win exactly nothing. Year after year you finish in 4th or 5th place of a division that even the lowly Padres have won in the recent past.

    Get younger. Get better. Build around Story, Gray, etc. You traded Tulo and haven’t missed him at all, it’s time for Cargo to go as well.

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    • Logjammer D"Baggagecling

      9 years ago

      You do know he’s in his prime right now don’t you? Or do you think his prime only lasted 3 years?

      Reply
      • Lance

        9 years ago

        each player is different of course but typically, the “prime” years for a baseball player are between 26-31. there is historically a big drop for players after 31. Griffey, Mantle, Mathews, Texiera, Snider, Andrew Jones are classic examples. Of course, there are those exceptions like Bonds, Aaron, Ruth, ARod and Mays whose “primes” lasted long past 31.

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        • Logjammer D"Baggagecling

          9 years ago

          A-Rod = cheater
          Bonds = cheater
          Habk Aaron averaged only 45ish hrs a year and stayed healthy. He’s the HR King.
          Mantle couldn’t stay sober.
          CarGo is still productive and will be for 4-5 more years.

          Reply
        • Lance

          9 years ago

          Hank was hitting 44hr’s each year….Carlos only hit as many as 40 HR’s once. He’ll probably be productive so long as he is in Denver but never Aaron productive. But he could also drop off the wall like Johnny Callison.

          Reply

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