The Nationals are interested in White Sox lefty Jose Quintana, FanRag’s Jon Heyman tweets. The Nationals, of course, came up short in their attempt to trade for ChiSox ace Chris Sale, but it appears the two sides might not be done discussing starting pitchers.
The White Sox have reportedly shown reluctance to move Quintana in the past, perhaps understandably so — he’s pitched at least 200 quality innings in four straight seasons, and he’s under team control through 2020, thanks to the long-term deal he signed prior to the 2014 campaign. For his career, Quintana has a fine 3.41 ERA, 7.4 K/9 and 2.3 BB/9, and at age 27, he could have many good seasons still to come (bearing in mind standard warnings about pitcher health, of course). It appears, though, that none of the White Sox’ assets are off limits, as Heyman wrote earlier today — the White Sox appear set to listen on Todd Frazier and David Robertson as well as Quintana.
IMO better pick choice than sale
Agreed. More control and consistently solid.
One extra year of control – I get that. But don’t know what the “and consistently solid” comment is for – you can’t be saying Sale isn’t..right?
Compared to Sale, Quintana IS more consistent…. he’s also a solid pitcher….. therefore consistently solid. You can pretty much assume Quintana will go 200-210 IP with 32 starts and about a 3.20-3.30 ERA. Chris Sale…… you don’t know what will happen. Will he spend time on the DL, will he have a few starts skipped due to arm soreness (common with him), while he be 100% healthy and get 33-34 starts like a normal Ace gets, and will he toss 200+ innings….. or 160-180? You know he can pitch at a high level, but you just don’t know what his arm is going to do. Quintana is also a little less susceptible to the long ball. Sale averages giving up 21-22 HRs/year. I seriously wonder how his fly ball and HR tendency will play in Fenway with the shortest LF and dead center dimensions. We saw the toll it took on Price, another left hander susceptible to the fly ball. Price average 18 HRs allowed pre-Red Sox. He allowed 30!! in 2016. Should be something to watch. Quintana also is more of a fly ball pitcher but if he were to go to Washington it probably won’t have an effect because the Nats have a normal dimensioned field to play on. Quintana IMO is the Hispanic Jon Lester. Consistent, reliable, workhorse, and just a da** good pitcher.
I’m a Cub fan who also for geographic reasons also hear a lot about the wSox and follow them as well. Between the two I’d say Quintana is the real prize. Also, unlike Sale, Quintana doesn’t have any arm issues or red flags (warranted or not regarding Sale) surrounding him. I’m kind of bummed actually that the wSox are so stubborn and jealous of the Cubs that they refused to negotiate with them. Quintana would look amazing in pinstripes.
He’s right. Aside from the potential injury risk, which is always there with Sale, and his episodic meathead flareups, look at his stat line. Much better safe, but prone to blowups.. And recently, the AL Central teams have been hitting Sale pretty hard down the stretch. Methinks scouting reports are catching up to him. White Sox likely sold high.
So glad the Sox got a good return on Sale.
don’t the Nats need a closer and a centerfielder? their rotation is pretty good!
Agreed
Pretty good rotation leaves you loosing to the cubs in the playoffs.
I think they should still pursue McCutchen and have the Pirates add Watson. Trade Turner Lopez Ross for them
no way on turner
That’s a completely crazy trade. Trea Turner is not going anywhere, To add Ross and Lopez would be the dumbest trade in the history of the MLB.
Trea Turner is worth more then all those guys combined
I guess it is possible they could pull David Robertson into a deal.
We’ll just have to see what they are willing to surrender.
Shouldn’t be tough to do this. Close on Sale would likely land Quintana.
You would think…
But Q comes with an extra year of control
If at first you don’t succeed …
Noooooow go get Robles+
done. The Whitesox will take Giolito. Robles. Soto and Drew Ward.
It’s interesting. To me he only brings one of Giolito and Robles. It’s just that no one outside of WhiteSoxville values Quintana at even close to what Sale is. Even if the metrics suggest that he isn’t that far off, and everyone may be wrong, no one else seems to see him that way
You’re right in regards to what fans think. Most are very ill-informed. People inside baseball know exactly what he brings to the table.
I’m not sure who you’re reading or talking to. I’m in the sports media business and I talk to a lot of the big media guys and they LOVE Quinatana. I’ve been told by multiple baseball people that he’s as valuable as Sale due to the extra year of control and being cheaper.
Lol, you expect Quintana to fetch more than Sale? C’mun now!
Oh, that package landed Sale?
Please Rizzo, focus on the bullpen.
Quintana is a solid piece, but the back-end of the of bullpen is neglected every year; and it’s let us down time and time again (see 2012, 2014, etc.). Look what the Indians did with Andrew Miller and the Cubs with Chapman. We need guys – who for all practical purposes – shorten games, especially in the playoffs.
I’m sure the Sox would happily send Robertson over too for the right price.
No thanks.
No thanks? Yea what other options do you have?
Bring Papelbon back?
Well, just to name a few….Jensen, Chapman, and apparently now Davis.
Davis going to Cubs, marinest21
What happened in 2012?
Dodgers should go after him
Don’t really understand moving Quintana. Under control until 2020 and still young enough to be solid once they start to contend again. Unless they get Giolito, I don’t do this.
They won’t be contending until at least 2020.
Quintana should get the Sox Giolitto, Robles, and Glover
They won’t start to contend until about 2020,daybee.Move him now. Their rebuild has a 2020 and beyond target.
imo this is going to be a quicker rebuild than most with all the assets the sox have.
If Hahn trades them all, that is. Which is my hope (even though I’m not a Sox fan)
Quintana/Robertson for Giolito, Robles, Lopez, Cole, Severino
Thats a better package than the one for Sale lol..
Quintana on 4 year deal, plus Robertson. Looks like the Cubs are getting Davis. Pressure is on Nationals and Dodgers to do something.
You mean the package that fell short of Sale. Obviously Nats need to up their offers if they actually want to make a deal
You can keep dreaming about that
They still have interest in McCutchen so prob one or the other on Giolito and Robles but I would be okay with Giolito, Lopez and Severino.
They shoild aim for this. They def won’t get it but they should try.
Quintana/Robertson for Giolito, Robles and Severino.
Braves getting him. Sox got there offensive piece now it’s time for them to get SP depth maybe a CF.
How bout Folty, Touki & Mallex that doesn’t do it ?
No where close. It’s going to take similar value as the Sale trade. Quintana has an extra year of control.
I’m still waiting to hear why Braves fans are so high on Folty…
I’m gonna guess it’s because the rest of their staff (minus teheran) was so bad that he looked good by comparison. I really don’t get it either.
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=70&type=8&season=2016&month=0&season1=2016&ind=0&team=16&rost=&age=&filter=&players=
No, not close
their offensive “piece”? There are 9 positions to fill . . . with Rodon, Fullmer, Burdi, Hansen, Adams, Kopech . . . there’s more young pitching to project than offense for the Sox right now.
Yeah, Sox need young position players now. Only really have Collins, Moncado and Anderson right now. Getting Robles and Severino would get us to five.
Hahaha. Why don’t the Sox just give him away?
If Q (possibly, +Robertson, or +Frazier) is available, I bet the Astros, and Dodgers get involved too.
Q/Robertson to
Nationals for Robles, Lopez, Cole, Severino
Dodgers for DeLeon, Verdugo, Bellinger, Barnes
Astros for Paulino, Reed, Tucker, +1
Astros say yes
Don’t you guys remember? Nats never get who they want. But then they settle for Plan C, and Plan C turns into an MVP candidate.
Exactly.
They won’t be contending then either. Absolutely nothing suggests Kenny Williams and Rick Hahn have the ability to identify enough young talent to put a team together from scratch out of prospects.
This all ends with Reinsdorf selling to team to a billionaire in a few years or the White Sox relocating.
This is franchise who offered to let Robin Ventura, worst manager I’ve ever seen at the pro level, the chance to come back this year and had Sale, Quintana, Eaton & Abreau, plus Rodon & Anderson under contract for the next 3 years for just over 40 million and couldn’t or wouldn’t spend those absurd savings on those guys around them and went into last season without professional level players at center, DH & C.
With the Cubs now world series champions and them putting everything in the inept hands of Kenny Williams they’re gonna completely lose out on a generation fans. Little to no confidence they build this team into a contender anytime soon and the spells relocation.
I created an account just to say you’re an idiot.
or I’m jus having some fun.
Portland White Sox – Spring 2024.
SIgn up for the season ticket wait list today.
Hell, may as well just tear it all down at this point. Maybe they’ll play better next season with a roster full of minor leaguers. Would be amusing if Renteria pulled off a division title with a team like that lol.
cardinals should get jose and frazier
I like the Giolito/Robles deal more.
Eaton to Texas.
Abreu to Rockies for Gray.
Sox would want Dahl over gray. Rockies can’t deal pitching
Maybe Braves like Eaton?
What makes anybody think the Nats are giving Giolito & Robles up ? I heard that was the offer for Cutch then Sale now Quintana they are not offering them stop the nonsense
it was widely reported that was the offer for sale.
not nonsense.
You need to start listening to other people…
They never offered those guys for Cutch. The Pirates wanted both of them, and they obviously said no. Based on what I’ve read, they did offer that for Sale, and obviously the White Sox preferred what the Red Sox offered instead. Seeing as Quintana “should” cost nearly as much as Sale, it’s not a HUGE stretch to bring up Giolito and Robles (or at least one of them), assuming they were originally offered for Sale, which I’d say is a safe assumption.
If the White Sox can get the same two prospects discussed in the Chris Sale offer, Lucas Giolito and Victor Robles, they might as well pull the trigger here to. It’s quite apparent from the return they received from Boston in the Sale trade that they are in for a long term rebuild and not just a retool.
Shoot, even if they don’t want to do the same offer, I’d take Robles and someone like Lopez or Fedde instead of Giolito. Obviously I’d prefer Giolito, but I wouldn’t mind the others if Robles led the way.
Then no Quintana my friend. Enjoy 3rd place in NL until Harper leaves… Then out of playoffs.
At this point trade every piece of the major league club and get back as many prospects as you can and totally start over .
If Giolito and Robles were offered for Sale they woulda jumped at that stop it the deal they got from Boston was horrible they shoulda got more.
No, it wasn’t. You could EASILY argue that it’s better than Giolito and Robles, especially when you factor in that the White Sox wanted a top level, young position player that was near MLB ready to headline the package.
And that “horrible” package was better than anything the Braves could’ve even offered.
1st off no that offer could not in anyway be argued as being better than Giolito and Robles and 2nd yes let me apologize because I shouldn’t have stated the actual deal was horrible what was horrible was what everyone was expecting. I seen ppl up here stating Devers, Moncada and JBJ and all kinds of different combinations better than the one taken.
And no for this point in the rebuilding of the Braves we are not 1 SP off from being elite so Sale was never really an option. It was not that Coppy couldn’t put a better package together it was why would he. Sale wasn’t the final piece. But if you think The Nats gives up Giolito & Robles for Quintana you are nuts. Like I said if that offer was on the table for Sale Boston woulda had to come back to the table with a better offer than they gave up.
Look at what the White Sox got back a 2B and a SP.
They still need a CF. so if they took the Nats offer they woulda got a better SP prospect by leaps and bounds and woulda filled a different need of a CF that project differently but not to far from Moncada. Common sense.
They coulda got their near ready position player in a Quintana trade. Or in a bunch of other deals what is a fire sale now if they move Quintana.
“so if they took the Nats offer they woulda got a better SP prospect by leaps and bound”
Pretty much let’s everyone know not to bother listening to anything you say.
Thanks for getting that out of the way.
Read 2 posts below from The Alexandrian –
As per Jeff Todd chat today:
Moncada>Robles
Giolito=Kopech
Other 2 are lottery picks. Diaz as future closer.
It absolutely CAN be argued, and it already has been. You’re being way too short sighted. They do need a CF, but Robles does not solve that problem. He’s 2 years away at least, unless he absolutely crushes it next year. They also need C, 2B, 3B, 1B if they trade Abreu, LF, and RF if they trade Eaton. They smartly aren’t trading for NEED. They’re trading for the best talent available, and they absolutely got that.
With all those needs the obviously aren’t building for next year it’s clearly for 2-3 yrs where Robles fits in and Giolito would be an ace. I am not going to say Kopech doesn’t have talent or could not be a TOR but he is clearly a head case. And best talent available would have been Robles and Giolito. Not to say one of them couldn’t be moved for Quintana of course that could happen all I am saying is not both.
You’re completely ignoring Moncada. In 2-3 years, he could be in his second year in the MLB and be absolutely killing it as a 5-tool second baseman.
You don’t know prospects do you?
What are you talking about? Moncada/Kopech is better than Giolito/Robles. The Sox also got a CF with 5 tool potential in Basabe and a flame throwing RP.
If they are looking for a CF and another starter why not trade for Quintana and Eaton. Robles and Giolito should get the talks started. It would clearly take more though. Also Nationals would be wise to at least check on Robertson also.
Eaton and Quintana combine for 8 years of control and over 10 War per year combined. Robles and Giolito as a headliner for the package? That’s funny
As per Jeff Todd chat today:
Moncada>Robles
Giolito=Kopech
Other 2 are lottery picks. Diaz as future closer.
Horrible? You’re wrong.
Giolito is equal to Kopech are you crazy ????? Not even in the same category not even close. His maturity level alone makes his projection sketchy.
Jim Callis says that Kopech may be the best RH SP prospect in all of baseball. Jonathan Mayo backed it up and Keith Law says he’s an ace in the making.
So I’m going to take their word over yours.
Got to think the Yanks jump in on Quintana!
If your lead to believe what the pundits tell you Quintana is worth 95% value to Sale, some teams prefer Q to Sale. There was a reason they traded Sale first, he sets the market (for the off season) & he has a higher rate of injury then Q. It wouldn’t surprise me if they trade him, but itsnonsense to think you’ll get him on the cheap compared to Sale. It will take a similar package to pry him lose. If your blowing it up get as many prospects as possible, 2018-2019 will be the year they look to compete. Plus a little extra incentive they’re ahead of Tigers & Royals rebuild / reload, not sure what the Twins are doing.
Sale is better than Q…but if Q had the same run support as Sale over the past three years, he would be more recognized nationally as being the really good pitcher that he is. He is far better than Gio, Roark or Ross. He immediately slides into your number three starter and should win 15-17 games with that offense. His contract, both cost and years are highly attractive to any team.
Sale hasn’t had much of any run support either…
And who is Jeff Todd for me to take his word as gospel his opinion means nothing to me I have been seeing Giolito’s name since he has been drafted. Kopech has been a prospect since he threw 105. Get out of here with that.
He’s kind of an important guy around this site…
Kopech has been a prospect since he was drafted. He became a more well recognized prospect in part because of his elite fastball. He became a stud prospect because ha absolutely dominated last year. Just because you aren’t familiar with him doesn’t mean he’s not a great pitching prospect. He’ll most likely be in the top 30-40 prospects to start the year next year.
If you want to compare the 2 at similar stages, look at their A+ ball stats as 20 year olds (Kopech last year, Giolito 2 years ago).
Kopech
52.0 innings, 2.25 ERA, 1.038 WHIP, 4.3 H/9, 5.0 BB/9, 14.2 SO/9
Giolito
69.2 innings, 2.71 ERA, 1.220 WHIP, 8.4 H/9, 2.6 BB/9, 11.1 SO/9
Yeah he is an important guy around this sight doesn’t mean his opinion means anymore than anybody else’s on THIS sight.
And I am well aware of Kopech and his stuff. Like I said I wouldn’t be surprised if he wasn’t TOR at some point. Baseball America MLB.com they both have Giolito in what the Top 3-5 of all prospects in baseball but you are gonna tell me Kopech should be held in the same regards as him cause an author on here tells me he is equal to him. That’s just rediculous. And I don’t care bout minor league stats but I know it’s something to use to project. But by no means is that a tell all be all for me.
Then what would you like to use to compare the 2? Just prospect rankings? Because we all know those are always right… Or are you using Giolito’s 4 starts in the majors where he put up a 6.75 ERA and 8.21 FIP?
You’ve heard more about the kid from Harvard Westlake than you have about the kid from outside Texarkana that was drafted two years after him? Shocking.
Who you personally hear more about is a totally valid system of judgement. Don’t let anyone tell you different.
And yes, Kopech became a prospect after throwing 105… nothing to do with putting up 14K’s per 9 and developing a nasty slider to go with that heater.
This is a great game of chess, the Red Sox had the best pieces so they got Sale, and the Nats have the pieces if they want Davis over the Cubs unless the Cubs up the anti. Once Davis is off the board, the Yanks will have the best pieces if they want to go after Quintana. Giolitto is the best piece, and then Robles, but the Yanks can bunch in Judge, Mateo, and 2 other prospects.
Baseball America mid season rankings had Kopech at 93 and MLB has him at 30 as of right now so I am sorry Jeff Todd’s opinion means nothing to me over theirs.
And you don’t think the #30 prospect is a really good prospect?
Also, the Baseball America mid season rankings were published on July 11th. Kopech didn’t make his first A+ start until July 7th because he was hurt. His value has gone up significantly since that list was published.
I didn’t say 30 wasn’t a very good prospect I have been clear to say he is a very good prospect but there is a huge jump from 30 to the top 5
He’s like an AL version of Tanner Roark. If the White Sox get Robles, Giolito, or another big prospect, I must say these were two massive hauls and quite rapidly ramp up a rebuild or half rebuild.
Where are the Dodgers? They can’t possibly believe that just resigning the great Rich Hill is enough to field a rotation that can match the Cubs.
Look up Craig Goldstein from Baseball Prospectus opinion on him “all signs point to the bullpen. An impact reliever”
That’s 1 guy’s opinion…
And MLB.com’s writeup says, “He’s a potential frontline starter who’ll move as quickly as he develops control and command.”
Exactly my point it is 1 guys opinion just like everybody else’s only time is going to tell all I said was according to the White Sox fans on here and with all they were saying was gonna be needed to get Sale they have to be disappointed in the return and I don’t believe that Robles and Giolito were both offered for Sale because if they were In My Opinion they should have jumped at that deal. Again my opinion. And I don’t think they are both being offered for Quintana either it doesn’t make sense. I am a Brave fan I live with DOB reports that are never right so forgive me for not believing the reports of them both being offered.
Your opinion is worthless if you think Giolito Robles is better than Moncada Kopech. And that’s a fact, not opinion
Well said.
The White Sox cannot develop a position player to save their souls. They’ve shown that pitchers are easier for them, hence the Red Sox deal in lieu of the nats deal. That being said, Quintana is not flashy, he’s consistent, above average and does not rise or fall with a good or bad performance. That is why I love the guy, because he competes and gives all he has 30 times per year. And unfortunately that’s undervalued in today’s game, which is mind boggling to me.
As a white sox fan I have to say getting by some accounts the #1 prospect hitter in baseball and a stud prospect flame thrower plus two servicable prospects with upside and $30 million to pay for Moncada is a haul. It all comes down to who has the ba!!s to go get a guy like Sale. Who would you rather have on the field for a game 4 or game 7 Cutch or Sale? Sale is no sure thing but he does up your chances in a series. I respect the red sox for going for it in every sence of the word and for giving up some prospects that could have emmense value in a short amount of time. Red sox have the commitment to the fans and winning and they act like they have been there before. Astros, Nats just don’t have the stomach to get a guy like Sale and their fans should be upset because they are so close!
Most concerning was how the AL central teams, the Sox primary rivals who saw the staff day/in and day/out, seemed to finally got the bead on Chris and began to hit him hard. Seems like inter-divisional scouting reports finally caught with him. Sensational stuff, yes! And he’ll be missed by Sox fans. But thinking the White Sox definitely sold high. Not so sure they need to do anything with Q, who keeps improving.
The White Sox cannot develop a position player? That’s a pretty outdated narrative. In the last three years alone, they have developed and brought up two 3+ WAR infielders (Anderson and Semien) and a 2+ WAR infielder (Saladino) and steady outfielder (Thompson). Sure they traded half those guys away, but that doesn’t take away from the fact that the Sox developed them into MLB players.
Considering how many rounds there are in a single draft year, adding in other amateur signings who are international free agents along with those prospects acquired in trade your argument is still weak.
Most White Sox fans acknowledge that the system has improved over the past few drafts. I’m especially excited about the most recent one last June when the organization elected to prioritize college position players who can actually hit instead of world class athletes with less baseball acumen, a Kenny Williams trade mark in previous drafts.
It also doesn’t excuse the fact that their overall results were poor over the last decade when Williams has been top dog which also included a scandal with Latin players under their director of player development, Dave Wilder, who was hired by KW in 2003.
Would love to see this guy in dodger blue. But every year i have an open mind when the winter meetings start, and they never end up doing a damn thing lol. All talk /:
Wow. Imagine Clayton, Jose, and Rich. Good luck left handed hitting lineups…
Ah I wish Texas would step up there game and involve themselves in this discussion
If the Nats land Quintana. Royals should attempt to trade Lo Cain to the Nats for Gio Gonzalez and a prospect. Anyone else think thats a good move?
I know somebody who probably thinks that’s a bad move…the Royals
KC is nearing a deal that would send 31-year old closer Wade Davis, who is making $1oMM in his last season before free agency, to the Cubs for a young and controllable OF in Jorge Soler.
You are proposing a trade that would have the Royals send CF Lorenzo Cain, who will be 31 in April and is making $11MM in his last season before fee agency, to the Nationals for another 31-year old starter in Gio Gonzalez who is making $12MM in 2017 and potentially another $12M in 2018 with a vesting option that kicks in if he pitches 180 innings this season, a total he hasn’t reached since 2013. Where’s the logic in that unless that “prospect” you suggest is a substantial one?