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NL Notes: Pirates, Cardinals, Urias

By charliewilmoth | May 21, 2017 at 5:57pm CDT

Pirates GM Neal Huntington says the team plans to spend money the team recently saved from Starling Marte’s PED suspension, Jung Ho Kang’s prolonged visa issues, and the release of Jared Hughes, Bill Brink of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette writes. “As soon as that option becomes available, we’ll gladly pour the money back into the club,” Huntington says. Of course, as Huntington notes, early-season trades are rare. It’s also far from clear that the Pirates, who are currently just 20-24, will head toward the trade deadline as buyers in the conventional sense. If the Bucs are in contention come July, though, it sounds like they’ll have money to spend — the combined total they’ve saved from Marte, Kang and Hughes (minus the 45 days’ salary they paid Hughes as a he departed near the end of Spring Training) comes out to over $5MM. Here’s more from the National League.

  • Brett Cecil’s struggles in his first season with the Cardinals after signing a $30.5MM contract, as well as seemingly minor injury issues to pitchers like Trevor Rosenthal (arm soreness) and Kevin Siegrist (neck), have strained the team’s bullpen, Jose de Jesus Ortiz of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch writes. Cecil has allowed 11 runs (nine earned) and nine walks in 14 1/3 innings thus far (although he’s struck out 18). It doesn’t sound, however, like GM John Mozeliak is yet on the lookout for late-inning relief help. “On paper I feel like it’s a luxury to have three players who can pitch the eighth and ninth,” Mozeliak says, presumably meaning Cecil, Rosenthal and closer Seung Hwan Oh, although Siegrist has also frequently pitched in the late innings this season. “Clearly, the way Cecil’s performed to date, it’s been tough, it’s been better and it’s been tough again. I still think over the course of the year he’s going to be somebody we can count on, but he’s certainly having to work through some early struggles.”
  • The Dodgers have announced that they’ve optioned young lefty Julio Urias to Triple-A Oklahoma City, recalling righty Josh Ravin from Oklahoma City to take his place. Urias allowed seven runs (six earned) in 2 1/3 innings against the Marlins yesterday, giving him a 5.40 ERA with just 4.2 K/9 and a 5.4 BB/9 over five starts this season despite allowing just two runs total in his first three. The Dodgers currently have six potential starting pitchers either on their 25-man or soon to be available (Clayton Kershaw, Rich Hill, Brandon McCarthy, Hyun-Jin Ryu, and Alex Wood, plus Kenta Maeda, who is expected to return from the disabled list this week) so they can afford to let the 20-year-old Urias continue to develop in the minors for the time being.
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  1. ronnsnow

    8 years ago

    Curious to know where the money saved from the Liriano dump went? Typical PR statements the Pirates make every year, yet payroll never goes over 100mil

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    • clepto

      8 years ago

      Apparently you do not follow the Pirates too well then…that Loriano savings has been well documented.

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    • leefieux

      8 years ago

      They signed Hudson, Freeze and Nova. Now you know. 🙂

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      • TrollHunter

        8 years ago

        Ok if that’s how you see it, but there were other salaries that came off the books. The fact is that payroll has steadily decreased each year AFTER winning 98 games. Nutting is a joke of an owner, and he should be forced to where a “ski mask” when addressing the public he continuously robs!

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        • Retired NFL Player

          8 years ago

          He should be forced to sell. He can’t actually be forced but the fans and residents of Pittsburgh should boycott the team completely until he sells. Don’t buy any gear or tickets. Keep that up a while and he will notice. Make it clear that you demand ownership willing to spend money and go all-in. Not a guy who wants to make as much money as possible and if they win too, cool.

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        • TJECK109

          8 years ago

          You fit your name well Troll. So tired of so called Pirates fans complaining about Nutting. Here is the bottom line TROLL he is a business owner. He purchased the team with HIS money. HE has the right to make a profit off of HIS business. Baseball is no different than any other business in America. Owners are in it to make MONEY not to make sure TROLL is satisfied with how much is being spent on payroll. Just a typical uneducated and ignorant fan.

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        • 66TheNumberOfTheBest

          8 years ago

          Still waiting for the first yinzer to notice the Pirates have one of the lowest average ticket prices instead of just one of the lowest payrolls and demand that Nutting raise ticket prices.

          Yinzers want a $150 million payroll and $10 tickets.

          All with one of the lowest local TV deals in the game.

          Yinzers aren’t very good at math.

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        • halos101

          8 years ago

          troll, as much as fans want to see owners go all in too win, their are a ton of owners that prefer money over winning. Nutting is one of those owners

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        • Retired NFL Player

          8 years ago

          No one disagrees with that, but if you were a Pirates fan would you be satisfied? Fans want wins and championships. Maybe you are uneducated and ignorant to that?

          Every fan of any team in any sport just want to win. That’s all. Same for me. I’ve always been a winner.

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        • 66TheNumberOfTheBest

          8 years ago

          How much more would you be willing to pay for Pirates tickets to help deliver that championship?

          Teams like the Yankees, Cubs, Dodgers have between between 500% and 1000% more revenue and resources than the Pirates despite having tickets that are only 200-300% more expensive.

          How much do you want that winner? What’s it worth to you?

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        • Polymath

          8 years ago

          Would it be acceptable to you if he sold the team to a great owner who moved the team to another city?

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        • troll

          8 years ago

          TJECK10913, his name is TrollHunter. i’m troll

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        • TJECK109

          8 years ago

          I’m not uneducated and ignorant to that at all Retired. But throwing money at a team doesn’t guarantee a winner. I sat through an NHL team in Pittsburgh that went through bankruptcy because of ownership spending.

          If Nutting ups the payroll and the team doesn’t win a championship then what? Keep spending till you are broke but hope you won a title?

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        • Robertowannabe

          8 years ago

          The yinzers forget about all of the trading of prospects and the signing of veteran free agents in the early 90’s that did not bring a winner but did bring on 20 years of losing because they gutted the farm system and signed guys who could not produce. Teams like the Cubs, Yanks, Dodgers etc can afford to sign the wrong guy and eat a few years of bad contracts. Mid market and small market do not have that same luxury.

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      • joew

        8 years ago

        pretty sure freeze extension was before frankie leaving but could be wrong, novas deal is a modest one and hudson is a good example of how pen arms are paid too much.

        also have to factor in that hutchison still has a contract for some reason and reduced that savings a few million

        they could have done all of this pretty comfortably with out trading liriano.

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        • 66TheNumberOfTheBest

          8 years ago

          The return on trading Liriano was getting rid of Liriano. He was hurting the team every 5 days.

          He was done in the NL. They figured him out. He needed to change leagues again. Any success he has with the Jays is irrelevant, he would still be getting lit up in the NL.

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        • joew

          8 years ago

          you can justify getting rid of Liriano but you cannot justify the cost to do so.

          but whatever keep trying

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        • Robertowannabe

          8 years ago

          Freese was extended after.

          mlbtraderumors.com/2016/08/pirates-extend-david-fr…

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        • Robertowannabe

          8 years ago

          Ok, so instead of the deal that Huntington made, you had two other options. Eating Liriano’s contract and cut him and not having that money to extend Freese, sign Nova, and Hudson..

          Let him pitch out his contract, giving the Pirates a loss pretty much every time he took the mound. Still no Freese, Nova, or Hudson.

          Huntington had to do what he did to move Liriano. The Cost? McGuire still his hitting horribly in AA .216 in AA ball and currently on the DL. Ramirez is .219 in AAA ball. :Liriano was doing in Toronto this year what he did in Pittsburgh last year. Either gave up a ton of runs early and run out after a couple of innings. Doing ok for a time or two going through the order then getting shelled. or doing well and giving up nothing and leaving after 5 because he already threw over 100 pitches then still killing the bullpen. At least Hutchison is 2-1 with a 3.74 ERA in AAA..

          Now tell me, Was that deal really horrible??

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        • 66TheNumberOfTheBest

          8 years ago

          Yinzers were told once that Reese McGuire was the catcher of the future so the fact that now he MIGHT be the next Chris Stewart at best IF he pans out means nothing to them.

          At the same time, the Pirates traded two absolute nobody prospects for a #2 starter who they resigned on a barren pitching market for peanuts, but why notice that when you can whine about trading nothing to get rid of a guy who was hurting your team?

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        • TJECK109

          8 years ago

          What was the cost Joe W? Please enlighten us with your chat board based opinion.

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        • joew

          8 years ago

          cool thanks. also well after Mark and Jon’s Trade too it seems

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        • joew

          8 years ago

          Thats just not true Gozurman1, they had the money to sign freese and nova which pretty much blows everything else up in your comment.
          But the point was it wasn’t an either or situation, never was.

          Hudson shouldn’t have been signed for the money he signed for to begin with.

          Meadows is barley hitting .200 now in AAA as well. Lets trade him and Antonio B. and see if we can get some other overpriced busted prospect and then watch Antonio B. go on to win the reliever of the year award ( sarcasm is thick there but just in case.. here is the sarcasm sign.. /s)

          They should’ve just kept Liriano at the price it took to get rid of him.. still extended Freese. The least they could’ve done is non-tendered Hutch to save those few million as well since it was a salary dump. The pirates probably could’ve found a better deal in the offseason and still saved 13M (which is about what they ended up saving cash wise for the dead line deal)

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        • joew

          8 years ago

          numbers numbers numbers business 😀

          EDIT: took me a minute to figure out which comment you where replying too..

          Cost of loosing to of the top 30 prospects and getting a busted prospect and paying his salary. EVEN IF the prospects we gave up now have a ceiling of bench role payers.. its still much better than what we got. (including the salary dump)

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  2. leefieux

    8 years ago

    Note to NH: Nice sentiment, but $5 mil doesn’t buy much these days.

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    • bastros88

      8 years ago

      I agree, what could they possibly get for 5 million

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      • desertbull

        8 years ago

        $5 million will get you 2 beers and a pretzel at Yankee stadium

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        • CubsFanForLife

          8 years ago

          One day the fans will protest these ridiculous prices to pay for insane contracts. Until then, I’ll bring my food and drinks to the ballpark from home.

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        • JFactor

          8 years ago

          That’s not what’s paying for the contracts

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        • SuperSinker

          8 years ago

          The money is still being made regardless. I’d rather the players get more money than owner pocketing it.

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        • JKB 2

          8 years ago

          Thank you JFactor …. its the TV money that drives contracts not the ticket revenue

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        • Robertowannabe

          8 years ago

          But if you are in a mid to small to mid market city, you do not get huge TV contracts for your local games. You need ticket and concession revenue to help pay player contracts as well. You are correct that TV money drives the contracts. That is why the large market teams can shell out for the big contracts while most others can not. They get a ton of TV money.

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  3. CompanyAssassin

    8 years ago

    Typical Mozeliak, “addresses” the problem by saying he thinks we’re fine and does nothing. Obviously something has gone wrong in the bullpen when suddenly ALL of our normally good players are having problems. Cecil is either spot on or awful, along with Siegrist and Rosenthal, Socolovich is literally worth at least 2 runs for the opposing team in every appearance, Tuivailala isn’t much better, Broxton is worse than Socolovich, so that leaves us with Bowman and Oh as our only somewhat stable players, and both of them aren’t as sharp. Soco needs to go as soon as Lyons is back.

    Ithink it would be worthwhile to invest in a somewhat decent bullpen arm. We have the money/prospects to do it, and I’m not talking a Greg Holland or Jansen, but I don’t think Watson is out of the realm of possibility. Maybe not the smartest being he’d only be a rental, but right now, something is better than nothing.

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    • desertbull

      8 years ago

      I understand your frustration but almost every team thinks their bull pen sucks. Even the best teams have about 3 guys they can count on and the other 4-5 guys in the pen either cant throw strikes or cant keep the ball out of the bleachers.

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      • CompanyAssassin

        8 years ago

        No I thought pretty highly of our bullpen coming into the season. Loved Oh, Bowman, liked the Cecil signing, Rosenthal looked good in ST, was excited to see Lyons return, Soco also looked good in ST. Only had doubts of Siegrist from last season and Broxton (Tuivailala wasn’t on the roster). I feel like the coaching staff broke our guys or something.

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  4. desertbull

    8 years ago

    If he needs money he should write a book about how he skirted the roids testing for 3 seasons.

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  5. 66TheNumberOfTheBest

    8 years ago

    If (and this is far from a given) the Pirates actually want to spend some money…lock up Bell and Taillon long term.

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    • SuperSinker

      8 years ago

      Taillon hasn’t been able to stay healthy for better or worse. I’m not sure it would be wise to invest money in him. And Bell has a couple years or minimum salary before they have to think about extending him

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      • joew

        8 years ago

        with the heart Taillon has i’d offer him a 20 year (very) low ball extension with modest guaranteed money loaded with incentives that could earn him record money. if he is healthy and in cy young contention…. but that’s probably why i’m not a GM 😉

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      • 66TheNumberOfTheBest

        8 years ago

        I don’t mean right now.

        But, once they get a new local TV deal (2019) many of the excuses dry up and then it’s time to bump up the MLB payroll and stop the constant churn of players or else the Nutting bashers will be proven correct.

        We’ll see.

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  6. Cardinals17

    8 years ago

    Personally I’m sick of the Cardinals General Manager’s excuses after excuses, his don’t care attitude and his obtaining low leaf players for top tier prices. His lame excuse this time is “They look good on paper!” So does Donald Duck, but he can’t play baseball!!!!

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  7. Cardinals17

    8 years ago

    Bring Jockerty Back!!!!!

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  8. mbgutt

    8 years ago

    I’m a recovering pirates fan, but I simply don’t watch or care because I feel ownership is not committed to winning. Glad the penguins do well and Steelers start in august. Slowly beginning to not care much about baseball.

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