The Twins have acquired lefty Jaime Garcia and catcher Anthony Recker from the Braves, per a club announcement. In return, Atlanta acquires young righty Huascar Ynoa.
As part of the swap, the Braves will send $100K to cover a piece of Recker’s remaining salary, Jon Heyman of Fan Rag tweets. Minnesota is absorbing all of Garcia’s remaining salary, per MLB.com’s Mark Bowman (via Twitter); that represents just over $4.5MM of the original $12MM salary.
While these two clubs had seemingly been nearing a deal involving Garcia just days ago, those talks broke down — at least temporarily — when an issue arose in the medicals of Twins righty Nick Burdi. When that fell through, the southpaw ended up making another start for the Braves. It was a good one, which helped buttress the club’s position, though obviously Atlanta did not have an enormous amount of leverage here.
Garcia is a useful pitcher, to be sure, but no team was going to give big value to get him. That was especially true of a Minnesota organization that is looking to stay in the postseason hunt, but has little interest in mortgaging the future to do so. The Twins have said all along their preference was to add a controllable starter, but perhaps that was going to cost too much in prospect capital. Instead, the team will take on a bit of payroll and give up a far-away prospect to help boost its rotation in the near-term.
While he’s no ace, Garcia will represent a pretty significant improvement for this particular staff. Indeed, he’ll probably slot in as the club’s third-best starter behind Ervin Santana and Jose Berrios. Assuming that Adalberto Mejia will hold a rotation spot and Bartolo Colon will receive at least a few more outings, it seems Kyle Gibson is most likely to lose his rotation spot as a result of the move.
Since arriving over the winter from the Cardinals in a deal that sent young hurlers John Gant, Chris Ellis, and Luke Dykstra to St. Louis, Garcia has largely been a steady presence. He has continued to stay healthy after years of shoulder woes, throwing 113 innings over 18 starts, and has turned in a solid 4.30 ERA. Garcia is carrying only 6.8 K/9 against 3.3 BB/9, but does have an excellent 55.4% groundball rate.
Minnesota also adds Recker, who provides some depth behind the dish. He has received scant MLB action thus far in 2017, but hit quite well last year for Atlanta. Over 156 Triple-A plate appearances thus far in 2017, Recker is slashing .223/.301/.381.
The Braves aren’t likely to make a postseason push, so the club could now safely part with Garcia. Of course, there have also been whispers that Atlanta is looking at adding a controllable starter as soon as this summer. That remains a somewhat low-likelihood proposition, at least as viewed on paper, though it’s worth noting that this deal will free up some finances, which may conceivably aid the team’s efforts to add a pitcher who can be retained past the present season.
Atlanta will also pick up a prospect that has value. Ynoa (the younger brother of Michael Ynoa) just turned 19 years old and has yet to advance out of Rookie ball. This year, he has struggled through just 25 2/3 innings in the Appalachian League, allowing 15 earned runs with 23 strikeouts and 14 walks. MLB.com rates him as the Twins’ 22nd-best overall prospect. Eric Longenhagen of Fangraphs, meanwhile, tweets that he sees Ynoa’s upside as at most a #4 type of starter — an outcome that’d be plenty valuable, but perhaps still remains a best-case scenario.
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Huascar Ynoa?!?! That’s it????? Are you serious?
If this is true I seriously cannot believe the Twins are getting back cash.
ESPN reported the Braves are actually paying Jaime’s contract too. Not sure which one is true but if the Braves are paying it then this was a pretty good get for the Twins
I’m not sure what you were expecting. We’re talking about Jaime Garcia who isn’t a top pitcher and could get injured at any point, like he usually does. Braves didn’t have a lot of leverage clearly. A top 25 prospect is a gift at this point.
It’s not like I was expecting anything crazy but I definitely thought it would be more considering they ate some salary as well.
Twins took all of Garcia’s salary and Braves paid $100k of Recker’s. So basically Braves paid $100k for a Top 25 prospect. I think the important thing is the Braves saved money for a run at a controllable SP. I think both sides got what they wanted. I think Braves wanted a lessor player so they didn’t have to eat more money.
Not sure how you are reaching your conclusions there…
I didn’t know it was only 100k at the time of my comment.
@ jlowrance….Well, no….you have to look at what the Braves gave to the Cardinals for Garcia. So, they gave up those three prospects, Recker and 100,000 for Ynoa.
And over half a season of Jaime Garcia
Braves are paying Garcia and paying 200k of reckers
That’s a fair point and I don’t know enough about any of the prospects to determine if it was worth it. I’d imagine they hoped the initial trade would’ve been worth it. Was it? Beats me.
No, those pitchers aren’t much. John Gant, 24, is possibly a serviceable #5, but likely a swing/mop up man. He’s in STL with a 5.40 ERA after 12 starts in AAA with a 1-5 record and a 3.45 ERA.
Chris Ellis was the upside swing in the deal. The Braves received him from the Angels with Erik Aybar and Sean Newcomb in the Andrelton Simmons trade. Ellis has pitched at AA and AAA this year, throwing to an 4.19 and 7.88 ERA respectively at each.
What the Braves did in that trade was took extra pieces that would have been cut from the 40 man and turned them into Jamie Garcia. Gant, by the way, was a throw in from one of the Kelly Johnson trades to NYM, along with Rob Whalen, whom the Braves got Luis Gohara, a Top 100 MLB prospect, in return.
The Braves aren’t paying any of Garcia’s remaining salary.
And only 100k of Recker’s. Where are you getting your info?
Out of his ass.
Great response and perspective, Black69
No problem bro. I put as much thought into it as the op did on fact checking.
In fairness, EVERY pitcher could get injured at any time.
Top 25 org prospect, so probably somewhere in the top 600-1200 prospects in the game.
a 19 year old, non elite prospect pitcher has a barely better chance at making an MLB roster than anyone commenting on here. terrible
this was a salary dump. dont’ know why you were expecting much more.
Who is also having a bad start this year in the appy league
I’m not a Braves fan so I wasn’t expecting anything. I’m simply doing the math.
Stats in rookie leagues are oh so very important, they should dfa him already
Not a top 25 prospect in our system though. Probably not top 30-35
Garcia is also a rental, I think we got more than I was expecting and that’s because we included Recker
TwinsHomer. Just checking back in on this hahaha
That took a while
Don’t know who Ynoa is. Is he good Twins fans?
Not at all
We paid him a hefty sum by twins standards to sign him as a teenager, hasn’t showed much promise.
800k isn’t really a “hefty sum” for any team imo
Number 22 by MLB Pipeline.
He’s a Top-25 prospect.. I think the Twins paid plenty to sign him out of the Dominican Republic (he wasn’t a draft pick). Seems like a fair swap for a two-month rental. (Not sure why Twins also wanted Recker. For the first time in a while, we we’re not starving for catchers, though they may move Gimenez to the bullpen. 🙂 )..
top 25 in the Twins system…
Steal for the twins.
At this point idk what the Braves front office are thinking
They dumped all of Garcia’s salary before he got injured and paid $100k for a Top 25 prospect. Sounds pretty good to me.
An organizational top 25, and not a very good one at that. It’s a lotto ticket.
It says Braves are paying all of Garcias and 200k of reckers
Read the post buddy Minnesota is paying Garcia we are paying wrecker
As part of the swap, the Braves will send $100K to cover a piece of Recker’s remaining salary, Jon Heyman of Fan Rag tweets. Minnesota is absorbing all of Garcia’s remaining salary, per MLB.com’s Mark Bowman (via Twitter); that represents just over $4.5MM of the original $12MM salary.
They cleared like 5 million and got a prospect
that $5M was a sunk cost. garcia is a free agent. it’s negligible
It could be that Coppy has another move coming where he takes on salary. The two roster spots freed up could end up being important. I am willing to be patient and wait and see.
They wait, add a player, and then get a crappier prospect?
And cash considerations
Surprisingly a Bucks Fan
wasn’t ynoa highly touted just two years ago?
I think he has an older brother that was a big international signing
Burdi was in the original rumors, Maybe the Barves think good prospects’ brothers is the next market inefficiency.
Nick Burdi is a pretty darn good bullpen prospect even with his recent TJ. I don’t think we was actually on the table but who knows?
Burdi was on Dr. James Andrews table.
TylerThe bravos fanatic
Well that looks like crap from the Braves side. Understand trying to get something for walk year but he looks like a fringe prospect
You expected more for a slightly below average rental?
you expect at least 2 more just like Ynoa.
I love this. Even if Garcia gets shelled, Braves lost the trade
What a steal for the Twins.
Well, That’s disappointing.
Fred let’s wait to see what else Coppy has planned in the bigger picture before we get too disappointed.
Well, we just got raked over the coals on that one.
Kinda funny cuz the Braves fans on here were all talking about the good prospects they were gonna get because Coppy is a genius
Here we go again with you coppy has one of the best minds in baseball he has a plan you really need to research
Wow. First a light return for JDM, now this for Jaime. I thought it was just an issue with rental corner outfielders but it looks like it’s a buyer’s market this year for sure
He’s a 19. The kid needs time. As a Braves fan, I like it.
He was 16 when he got signed
Right. I have no problem with that
Same, the Braves are stocking for the future. Maitan, Soroka, Ynoa, Riley… the future is pretty solid with these guys. Not sure why Twins fans think they fleeced us.
You want to see a fleece? See the trade we made with the Dbacks for Shelby Miller. Or what Braves gave up for Tex for half a season…. those are some fleeces.
Could be an issue in roughly two years when he becomes Rule 5 eligible. He’s still young enough that two years might not be enough time to figure out if he’s got it or not. And at 21 years old, he’d be an interesting available player in the Rule 5 draft.
you only have to be on the 40-man roster. From there they have three options. In other words the Braves have until he is 23.
Verlander to cubs, dodgers, or astros coming soon.
Darvish is staying in texas. sonny gray will cost too much for most of these teams. Btw, I’m not sold on sonny gray long term
I feel like the Braves gave up more to get Jamie. Seems like a wasted opportunity.
As a Phillies fan, I can’t really talk based on the Hellickson debacle last year but still, figured they could get a better guy.
At least one of the guys the Braves gave up to get Garcia tied up a roster spot and had no real future with the braves. This acquisition gives them a lottery type prospect and frees up two roster spots.
braves gave up a lot of garbage with very little upside for Jaime. the guys they gave up were like 23 or 24
Yea, I’m not sure what the lack of understanding here is. The braves gave up two 20-30 range prospects for a full season of a pitcher who, to this point in the season, was worth 1.4 WAR.
The Braves then trade that player and his salary along with a former minor league free agent signing with no hope of serious big league playing time for….another organizations 20-30 range prospect.
So let me get this straight. The braves thought a full season of Garcia was worth two 23 year old prospects ranked 19 and 23 in their organization.
The Twins think that Garcia is worth Just under half a a year of Garcia is worth a prospect ranked between 14 and 23.
Yea. Sounds right.
By the way, before 2017, SB Nation ranked him $#14, and had this to say about him.
14) Huascar Ynoa, RHP, Grade C /B-: Signed for $800,000 in 2014; posted 3.18 ERA in 51 innings in rookie ball with 51/12 K/BB; made huge progress with command after having some problems with that in the Dominican Summer League in 2015; brother Michael Ynoa pitches in Chicago White Sox organization; fastball in 90-95 range but could get consistently into mid-90s as he matures; both curveball and changeup have plus potential; needs to build up workload but a very high ceiling and could be top pitcher on this list a year from now. Age 18, ETA: 2021
Maybe a flop in the Twins system…but don’t underestimate how well the Braves develop young pitchers.
Are you sure?
Boston red sox wIll win the WS. Best starters, top bullpen, and they can hit. Wouldn’t suprised me if verlander goes to the red sox. DD keeps his mouth shut and he knows verlander is a workhorse that pitches his best baseball in the 2nd half and in the postseason. Dombrowski will come out of the shadows with a done deal with no talk about it beforehand. Has happened in all his trades.
Can you tell me how this trade affects the Red Sox?
Just talking deadline deals. Don’t like it? Tough
If you have read this website for a while, you will notice someone saying “enter team” will for sure win the world series on an unrelated post to that team. It gets annoying when the comment is unrelated.
Uh, don’t read it then. Your issue is solved.
Uh, don’t write it then. Then everyone’s issue is solved.
Find a Red Sox website or make relevant posts.
I think he just did tell you how it affects the Red Sox. :o)
so out of context it was almost like commenting about the Red Sox on a twins trade post! oh…
Didn’t know we had supreme court judges on mlbtr….you dont have to respond or even read my comment. Don’t you know?
Your the same guy that just said your sources told you that Verlander was traded to the Dodgers but it hasn’t been announced because it hasn’t been finalized. Not like anyone believed you then, but now nobody will take anything you say for real.
That’s exactly right. Nothing is final until.it is….you answered your own criticism. Well done, buddy!
No you just said, “Wouldn’t surprise me if Verlander goes to the Red Sox.” And I was asking why do you think he will go to the Red Sox if you know from your sources that he has been traded to the Dodger? You clearly contradicted yourself and your fake sources.
Where’d you go Trader Ryan?
Wow. This trade is a win for the Twins. Minor leaguer Atlanta got has a 5 Era in rookie league.
He’s 19… let’s slow the train down alittle bit.. I’m a Brewers fan so no biased in the trade.. but I think Atlanta did pretty well… for 10-12 starts… your a lot like my team may hit a wild card but World Series.. no… I would trade garza (brewer) for a high upside 19 year old that throws 95 all day!!! At 19 in low A results mean nothing.. consider a high school pitcher signed out of the draft they don’t (mostly) see low A till there 20… maybe a cup of coffee end of season at 19… (mind you this would put them on track for AAA at 23 young for that level as a pitcher) plus If you wanted to chase a cost controlled pitcher for a few years you have cleared payroll.. while adding a high ceiling all be it low floor pitcher.. why are you so upset??… I think it’s a fair trade for a #4 rental… twins get a solid #4 that could break on his next start hoping to get 10-12 starts showing the fans there trying…braves get salary relief ( yah yah I know you pitched in 100k but that was for the catcher not Garcia they save roughly 4.3 mil) and A high upside but very young pitcher…that doesn’t need to be on the 40… why so upset braves fans…and twins fans why so excited…I think it’s a fair….
Don’t always judge prospect pitchers by their minor league ERA. I am sure there are more examples but I KNOW hall of famer John Smoltz had an ERA that was almost 6 his last full season in the minors. I think Smoltz worked out okay. I am not saying Ynoa will be another Smoltz, but I am saying don’t write off a prospect pitcher just because their ERA looks horrible.
Have you ever watched a rookie league game? A 5 ERA seems Cy Young worthy. Hah
Wow. Love this. Braves have issues with Burdi’s medicals and end up accepting an even lesser prospect. That’s some magic.
Didn’t Burdi pitch in college? I’m just curious why you’re so wowed that a pitcher ranked 2 slots behind Burdi on the preseason prospect board at SB Nation is considered a ‘lesser’ prospect, especially being, what, 3 years his junior?
And didnt just have TJS
Because Burdi’s upside is higher. Burdi was ranked higher until TJ surgery at least by most. Think Sickels had them close to each other but he was the only one, which I’ve seen a few other times from him for different players. Burdi was in the top 10 during last season and the season before. Don’t believe Ynoa has ever sniffed close to that but I could be wrong.
Burdi is an injury problem but can be an elite closer. Most scouting reports put Ynoa as a 4/5 starter. He could be a number three, but they don’t think it’s likely at all. And if he’s just a reliever than he’s not as good as Burdi. Personally I think Ynoa is a reliever going forward. He has one plus pitch. His K numbers are dropping so far and his BB numbers are all over the place. If all that continues beyond rookie ball then he’s for sure only a reliever.
I’d rather have Burdi even though he’s never healthy. Burdi’s the better prospect and always has been.
I assume Recker’s involvement means the Twins are close to calling up Mitch Garver
I hope so. Doesn’t make a lot of sense otherwise. Garver deserves it.
They probably would have to move Gimenez then
DFA him. He’s no road block
Move Gimenez to the bullpen and DFA Belisle.
He is a lifetime era of 3.36 so far we will see
That’s pretty underwhelming
Falvine is really starting to trend uoward with this move.
Agreed. I love everything he’s done thus far aside from maybe the Breslow and Belisle signings. Even those were low risk high reward signings though
This looks like a deal right out of “Find Trade” on MLB the Show
Or “Shop Player Around” on OOTP
From MLB prospect watch
The younger brother of one-time phenom Michael Ynoa, Huascar didn’t quite get the $4.25 million payday his brother got from the A’s in 2008, but the Twins did see enough in him to give him $800,000 to sign in 2014. A decent pro debut in the Dominican Summer League in 2015 turned into a fantastic United States debut in the Gulf Coast League the following season.
Ynoa offers an interesting three-pitch mix, with an advanced feel for how to use it for his age, coming from a strong and durable body. He touched 94-95 mph with his fastball at times and he could get there more consistently as he gets stronger. He throws a slurvy breaking ball around 80 mph, with some thinking it might eventually evolve into a solid slider. His changeup is ahead of his breaking ball and he has a pretty good feel for it. Considering his delivery is still raw and he’s trying to get to a point where he repeats it consistently, Ynoa throws a lot of strikes.
With his pitchability, solid stuff and good pitcher’s frame, Ynoa has all of the ingredients to be a starting pitcher. There are refinements to be made, in both command and breaking stuff, but if his progress from one summer to the next a year ago was any indication, there’s more to come from this young right-hander.
Ranked number 22 on the Twins minors
I would just like to comment, on the 2016 Prospect tracker on MLB.com, Ronald Acuna was ranked #18.
Young Latin players are still plenty full of bubbles, regardless of results and their prospect rankings, through their teen years.
The guy gets a downvote for copying and pasting a blurb from MLB for people who have no idea who Ynoa is.
You guys never cease to amaze. Ill be expecting some more downvoting from you after you come back inside from yelling at clouds.
Okay, how about Baseball America’s assessment of the Kid? High upside, high risk. They still see upside there.
You took my reply wrong and need to reread it
Idk why braves fans thought they were going to get a top prospects for 12 starts of a number 4 pitcher. They got one of the top prospects from the 2014 international FA class that seems about fair a 18-24 prospects lotto ticket
the issue many people are having is based on his results. At this point, he’s not a finished piece, he’s a lump of clay that has literally just come out of the factory.
If I had to guess, he seems likely to fall in the MLB.com mid-season ranks
Managing editor of Baseball America just said on Twitter that they had him at #29 in the Twins system, and with him moving to the Braves in that stacked system its really going to be hard for him to make it into their top 30 next year.
I think that could be part of it too. Like you’re saying, this is an unpolished guy without any solid results yet and he’s going to a system where there’s about 15-20 pitchers who are better prospects than him.
And Braves only sent $100k
This is John Sickels mid-season report on Ynoa
“14) Huascar Ynoa, RHP, Grade C+/B-: Signed for $800,000 in 2014; just getting started in rookie ball with Elizabethton, 5.06 ERA in 16 innings so far with 14/10 K/BB; projectable with above-average stuff but needs more polish with command at age 19.”
If you’re going to get a rookie leaguer with upside, make sure you take one who is putting up at least palatable numbers in rookie league– if he didn’t have bonus baby status he probably would have been released by now. I’ve seen kids who perform better get cut in Rookie ball.
A kids stats are not very high on a list of things scouts look at to try to project a developing 19 year old.
Sure dominant numbers make you stand out and lead to earlier promotions, but rookie league stats are best left to us experts on here to break down and assess a kids true value.
Wait…that’s all the Twins had to give up, plus they’re getting cash? Did the Braves feel bad that Minnesota now has to put up with Bartolo? Does Garcia have Ebola?
Mel hall ruled
Twins are still a 3rd place team at best
Right in the thick of the wildcard, and division for that matter, with basically 2 and a half capable starters.
Still in contention though. They are a lot more fun to watch this year.
At best? So you think this move could possibly catapult the White Sox or Tigers past them?
Mel hall ruled
This move might keep them ahead of the tigers and sox… twins will not catch up to the tribe or royals.
So they won’t catch a team they were tied with yesterday? ok thanks, don’t forget to take your pills.
Kyle Gibson inconsistent..up and down. Made thus move happen. But, garcia has to go to AL. Let’s see how.it plays out
Jaime garcia with a 4.81 era agaisnt American league this year
4.39 career era agaisn’t AL teams
I hope they use him as DH if they want any more grand slams any time soon.
The disappointment by brace stand here is wierd. What were you expecting for a half year rental who really isn’t a difference maker?
He will help stabilize a spot in the rotation
If I was a braves fan I would be pretty ticked off about this garbage return.
if you were a brave fan you would be crazy to expect more
Wasn’t Francis mates a lightly regarded prospect when he got traded to th Astros? Here’s hoping
With all the other teams said to be asking that’s all we got back ???
That was a pure salary dump.
Unlike the rest of us, Coppy knew the ACTUAL offers teams were making for Garcia. Coppy’s a pretty smart guy, he saved $5M, and got a prospect he knows more about than we do. I’m going to continue to assume that he knows what he’s doing.
I will admit that I’m a Braves fan, but I agree that there was no real reason to expect much return for Garcia. I was hoping for more, but the Braves picked up a young prospect, freed up some salary, and emptied two guys off the 40 man roster. I have to trust Coppy on this one.
This is not ideal for Chacin/Hellickson’s trade value. I guess it should be expected, but it still shows its a buyer’s market.
I wonder if ATL had eaten half the remaining contract instead of just sending 100K if they could have got an org top 20 guy back? Chacin’s probably only owed about 500K at this point so could be a factor in his return if he’s moved.
The Braves are going to go trade for a young controllable starter now.. They had to drop somebody from the rotation if they’re planning on acquiring another pitcher. So they traded Jaime. Another deal is probably coming here soon to fill out the 5 rotation spots. If not, we would be hearing of more Dickey trade talks because he’s been better than Jaime Garcia down the stretch.
If I’m wrong here, then I will admit that this trade is rather confusing. But if I’m right, it makes perfect sense.
Ynoa reminds me on Jaun yepez and that’s not a good thing
Wow. I hope Braves fans realize that they can just re-sign Garcia in the offseason if they are really THAT upset about losing him.
They could of kept him gave him a QO and get a draft pick out of him
Do you really think someone is giving him a $50MM+ contract this offseason? That is the only way they would have gotten a draft pick for him with the new CBA.
They’d get a draft pick still. The $50MM+ barrier just impacts where the pick lands.
But, the Braves would never offer Garcia the one year and $18.1MM anyhow. He’d very likely just accept that, which is a large reason that they traded him.
This is incorrect!
If a team loses qualifying-offer free agent who signs with another team for less than $50 million:
• Team over luxury-tax threshold: Receives Draft pick at end of fourth round.
• Team under luxury-tax threshold: Receives Draft pick at end of second round.
Braves had a snowball’s chance in Hell of QOing Garcia and the odds of his declining the QO were even less.
As a Braves fan I absolutely hate this trade from.the Braves point of view you trade a decent starting pitcher who is cheap and good hitting catcher you better get a decent prospect back otherwise don’t make the trade.
Had to take what they could get for Garcia before he hit free agency this winter. Nothing says they can’t re-sign him in the offseason.
I’m not sure on what planet Recker qualifies as a “good hitting catcher”. He’d already passed through waivers at least once this season without being claimed. Recker was only recently added back to the 40 man when Suzuki went on bereavement leave (and O’Flaherty was DFA’d). Also by no means would most consider Garcia cheap. Garcia’s contract was running out and he doesn’t fit in Atlanta’s long term plan.
I think the ticket here was the Twins eating the remainder of Garcia’s salary. We know they were getting some nibbles but he seems the kind of target most teams would start wanting to split the $$ given the arms likely on the market right now. I think Coppy has made some comments lately hinting at using Garcia’s cap space on a controllable RP.
If Hauscar is related to Michael…you’re in good hands
They are brothers, but hasn’t Michael struggled so far?
Wow I think the Cardinals got the better deal for Garcia, they got 3 lower level prospect and now the braves Give up more for 1 prospect
Lower level? Dykstra is old and a non-prospect. Ellis is like 23 and shown nothing since early in his Angels career. Gant is an older prospect too that requires a 40 man spot. He has pitched ok in AAA but has struggled in his MLB chances (he was pitching that Scooter Ginnett 4 homer game).
I don’t know anything about Ynoa but hes only 19 and has some projectable stuff.
Chances are none of these guys makes a difference at the MLB level.
Well the Twins just won the World Series with this one. Incredible.
All those constant updates for this haha
Mel hall ruled
Christ it’s Jamie Garcia not Jesus Christ! They need way more help!
As a Braves fan, it isn’t much fun to see the primary return for a decent player (albeit a rental) is the team saving $4.5m and getting a long range prospect. I hope this is parlayed into another deal. But for now, adding another far away arm – no matter what they turn into – doesn’t scratch my itch. Garcia, for his part, proved to be a gamer and add some stability to the rotation on a growing, yet inconsistent, club. That was that they wanted.
As someone mentioned in the thread above, it is looking like a buyers market, which may play into the Braves’ plans (like adding Kemp).
I believe they were trying to free up some money to acquire a reliever. Now that Garcia is gone, they’ve ramped up trade talks with Oakland to try and acquire Sonny Gray.
Nobody is trading for Kemp.
Ynoa is exactly the type of kid you roll the dice on for a half season of a league average pitcher.
Sorry this doesn’t scratch that “itch” of yours.
You didn’t read my comment, I said make a trade like they did for Kemp last year where they took over a player a team was trying to get rid of for a fraction of the cost. The money could be used for that.
Braves are looking pretty good with this one only gave up 100k could help to add a arm coppy might be up to something
Right after this trade it was reported that the Braves were ramping up trade talks for Sonny Gray. He’s always up to something!
Where was that at
As long as Albies, Acuna or Soroka isn’t included that is fine.
It won’t be albies or acuna but in order to get this done it’s gonna take either allard or soroka or both both I don’t see happening
Not that grey isn’t worth more I don’t think coppy would give two of our best pitchers in the system but only he knows
Doubtful, every team with a record at or north of 500 is chasing Gray. I would really hate it if the Braves overpayed for a player that they probably already have in AA right now.
IMHO low risk for the twins and a needed deal based on there 4th and 5th starters they’ve been using. Still need a good reliever like Neshek but at the same time don’t want to dive to deep in. I mean I find it hard to believe that anyone will get past Houston at least with the way they’ve played up to this point. But to that extent you don’t want to not try and acquire players who can help down the stretch just because so and so team seems unbeatable.
Twins get swept by Dodgers and Oakland. Realize their season is lost. Flip Garcia for a top ten prospect next Monday.
Come on man no way that happens
Just Another Fan
lmao sure Jaime Garcia for Gleyber Torres, totally happening. Keep on believing in your dreams!!!
True braves fan, but it would be funny
Just Another Fan
Total whatever trade. No big winner or loser here.
Bad move for the Braves. They should’ve held on to Garcia to help them chase a postseason birth.
That smarts. Always knew it was a matter of time before we traded him, but I hate salary dumps. Best of luck to Garcia in Minny.
I’m confused with all all the comments about how this was a good move on ATL’s part because of the salary dump, ok I’m sure the owner is happy but that doesn’t actually help your team going forward since he was off the books at the end of the year anyways.
The two 40 man roster spots and the salary dump gives Coppy added flexibility. Who knows exactly what he is planning but I wouldn’t rule out the possibility that the Braves make a deal where they take on salary and talent in the same deal. Whether that actually happens or not only time will tell.
Honestly as far the Braves goes 4 hours later these deal still look very bad trade by the Braves and I am saying this a Braves fan.
Well, there goes the Braves Grand Slam Threat!
Bet coppy is going to try and make a move for fullmer of the tigers..hears to hoping
He might be one of the only SP’s I would be ok targeting just because our realistic timeline starts next year and 2019. Fulmer has 5 years of control. Gray only has two so that one is dumb.
This is a meh trade. Doesn’t really help either team in my opinion.
Not a fan of the trade. Would rather have eaten his salary for a prospect about 5 spots higher or multiple prospects.
Im willing to wager that Coppy tried and Minny wanted to pay the salary to keep the prospect cost down.
We were better off just riding out the year with Garcia. This is essentially nothing barring a trade to add a starter with the money saved.
Unfortunately that’s a mistake in its own right. Any controllable starter is going to see the Braves lose one of Albies, Acuna, Soroka, or Allard. None of which are worth losing for the starters on the market
Right now it’s a slightly bad trade with no long term negatives but it could go from bad to severely awful if the plan was to free up money to do something really stupid described above
I agree. If we’re going to trade for a starter, we don’t need another #2/3. I’m sick of hearing these rumors that we might be interested in trading Julio, yet acquiring Sonny Gray. Pointless.
Of course, I don’t believe Coppy is stupid. But if we give up top prospects for a #2/3 I’d be disappointed. If we’re going to give up great prospects, at least just go big and get a TOR type pitcher.
However, I say just let our pitchers develop and we’ll be a great team in due time. Out of all the pitchers we have in the minors, we have to have an Ace. The farm is stacked. So there’s really not a huge need to make any type of rush move.
should of at least held out for an old skateboard
Soooooo we traded 3 prospects for Jaime?…then we trade Jaime & another player in Recker for 1 prospect (but only of course another pitching prospect)….Sounds about right…
I mean, he’s only a rental, so his value in theory isn’t as high as it was when we first traded for him, but the twins were in desperation mode for an update to their SP. So I feel like we could have gotten a little more. At the end of the day, this is a fine trade. Prob could have held on to the cash though. wasn’t much, but still every dollar counts right?
Yeah you’re right…a 2 month rental for a #4 starter wasn’t going to fetch much I guess.
However, it says here the Twins absorb Jaime’s contract but ESPN reported the Braves agreed to pay Jaime remaining contract. If that’s true it’s hard to believe the Braves didn’t have more leverage than that, especially with supposedly 6 other teams interested.
That was a good trade for the twins but since Garcia was a rental he didn’t have a big price plus the Braves got rid of a big contract and they also got a decent prospect