The Yankees and Athletics are discussing possible trade scenarios involving first baseman Yonder Alonso, according to MLB.com’s Jon Morosi. There’s no indication, at this point, that a deal is particularly likely to materialize, though it’s easy to see how the teams could line up.
Indeed, the potential match between Oakland and New York has long been speculated. But a firm connection had not previously been established. The former has had eyes on the latter’s farm system of late, Ken Rosenthal reported yesterday on Twitter, suggesting that the sides could see a potential path to a swap of some kind.
As both reporters noted, it seems that righty Sonny Gray would also make for a sensible target for New York, though it is unclear at this point whether he has been the focus of any discussions between the organizations. There’ll be loads of competition for Gray, but he would help fill a need both now in the future for the Yanks.
It’s quite a different situation with regard to Alonso, who has morphed into an offensive force this year. There are several other quality first basemen who’ll likely be available — Lucas Duda of the Mets and Matt Adams of the Braves perhaps representing the most obvious options — and few contenders that have a clear need at the position. That seems to leave the Yankees in rather a strong bargaining position.
If it’s just for Alonso , I wonder would the A’s ask for?
OF?
I think the Yankees can pull off a deal without giving up any great prospects. Someone like Acevedo would probably be enough.
Yeah, I suppose this could do it. The Gray deal is going to be the big one, adding a promising pitcher in a Alonso trade like Acevedo, would please me as an A’s fan.
Not happening.
You have to give up talent to get talent. If you want Gray, then somebody has to go.
Acevedo happens to be one of the Yanks top pitching prospects that made futures game. I don’t think that deal makes a ton of sense, do you?
The Yankees 1st basemen have been struggling all year and there aren’t many options. I think the recent 30 game stretch has only made this problem tougher to deal with. I feel like Oakland realizes that they have negotiating power at this point. I’m not sure if that’s the hold up on a deal like this happening or if they’re trying to get Gray as well?
He’s in the Yankees top 10-15 prospects, please dont overvalue him because he played in the futures game, that’s an arbitrary game.
Probably Rutherford
Maybe even Hicks
Why stop at Rutherford, maybe the top five prospects.
Lol
Here we go is right!!!!
Estaban Florial is the more obvious target, 1-1 for Alonso, fair deal for both sides.
Yanks are trying to expand the deal to get both Alonso and Gray which is the smart thing to do.
Not smart if you’re trying to hold onto your top 5 prospects!
Can’t keep them all something needs to be done here.
I think Florial for Alonso is a fair trade.
I don’t think that 70 games of the mediocre Alonso is worth a career of Florial. Take away Alonso’s three good weeks in May and he’s batting .260 with a .440 slugging percentage. Other than that one month he’s been pretty mediocre for his entire career.
If they Yankees trade Florial they can do better than an Alonso 70 game rental.
lmao my god buy a clue
Getting both would not cost their top 5 prospects. Ever
Keep in mind Florial is an OFer. If somehow everything goes right, the Yankees OF the next few years may be something like Judge, Frazier and Fowler (if he returns fully healthy). Also have Rutherford as well. I wrote below that some of their good prospects may be blocked by other ones and there’s really no where to put him, so it’s best to trade some of the guys why their value may still be high .
Like how Theo traded players like Castro, Soler, Torres, and Jimenez.
Sure, but not for a rental.
Lol hicks
Yankees will get Alonso and Gray together doesn’t make sense to just get Alonso and not expand the deal to include Gray but we will see.
Rutherford is their #3 prospect… No way in hell he’s used in a trade for Alonso. I guess you can keep dreaming though.
A’s can keep Alonso and receive a 1st Round Comp pick in the 2018 Draft (Pick 31-40). So prospect would need to be fairly legit coming back from the Spanks.
@ jpkinney7
That is true only if Alonso signed with a new team for more than 50 million tho, correct?
If I remember that right, I don’t know if it is a safe assumption at all by the As to expect a Comp-Pick
Gotta think a class a guy with a lil upside will get it done
Beane said yesterday he was targeting the most high upside/high risk or best players possible for his trade pieces, he’s not looking positionally, which stinks because the A’s are so barren for OF and C prospects, but I’m guessing a top 10-15 guy for Alonso, being that he’s really good on both sides and costs basically nothing moneywise.
Alonso is terrible against lefties even in this his career year.
It’s not like there are tough lefties to face in the AL East.
Chris Sale?
Death is trolling
Do the Yankees want Brandon Belt?? I like the dude but happy to move on from him…
Yes will Cave, Refsnyder, and Austin do it?
Refsnyder is worthless dude. Wish they had given him a chance in 2015 over Drew but he’s had some chances the past 2 seasons (though not as an everyday player) and he’s done awful. Both at the plate and fielding.
Geez would you knock off putting Refsnyder and Austin in your trade proposals? No one wants them. They’re valueless junk.
Tyler Austin is relatively young and there’s some upside. I wouldn’t say he’s valueless junk. Your opinions are pretty close to valueless junk though.
So are every Yankees fan opinion about their own prospects. The Yankee prospect Hypetrain has been going full steam since Brien Taylor.
With one of the best farm systems in the league, I wouldn’t say the Yankees fan opinion on prospects is junk.
lmao can and will. You are clueless.
Having a good farm has nothing to do with that farm’s fans opinions being junk or not.
And arguing that EVERY fan of any team is a poor choice of words and is just incorrect.
This argument should be done. Stop making me scroll so much
I doubt the Yankees are interested in going in on somebody like Brandon Belt, who is signed through 2021, at this time. It could be spin, but Brian Cashman remains high on Greg Bird as far as the future goes, & a rental 1b to help with the postseason push seems to be the most sensible target. If Bird’s health issues persist into the offseason, I would think New York could reassess the position at that time when the marketplace is more theoretically stable.
so what you’re saying is Greg Bird is already better than Brandon Belt? lol
No, that Cashman values Bird more in terms of being cheaper and potentially just as good or better in the future.
I’m not a Yankees fan but Alonso has had one good year this year , otherwise not that good . I would pass and look elsewhere
If you’re talking about giving up a 10-15 range prospect, wouldn’t it make more sense to do so for Matt Adams than Alonso? Adams has another year of control and could possibly be dealt this off season (if the Yankees don’t include him in their 2018 plans) there by off setting some of the acquisition cost.
Adams has had no experience in the AL and would get instantly exposed. Alonso much safer bet to OPS .900+ and play really good defense at 1B.
It’s Pitchers who are the ones that have difficultly in the AL, not position players.
Not always!
.870 – April
1.228 – May
.786 – June
.821 – July
As others have indicated, those are his OPS by month this season
Could he post a 900+ moving forward? Sure, but… well it’s not a safe bet
Not that I’m saying Adams is def going to, but at least he’s overall posted 900+ OPS lines the last 1.5 years, not just 1 month
Sorry..no on Adams(for so many reasons),same goes for Murphy of the Phillis.
My thoughts on Adams are only in comparison to Alonso if you were paying the same price.
Their OPS+ numbers are similar for this year (with Alonso having a slight advantage) and also career wise (with Adams having a slight advantage). Both are expected by many to not maintain current production levels and both have cooled somewhat of late (Alonso cooling much more so than Adams has over the last couple of months). Both have issues with left handed pitching historically. The biggest difference maker to me is the extra year of control that Adams has.
Personally I don’t think that the Yankees should pay a 10-15 range prospect for either one (like many in these comments have suggested), but after looking at all the facts if the price was the same I’d much rather have Adams than Alonso at this point.
I could see a mega deal where they take Alonso, Gray, and Lowrie. Not sure how Headley has been doing at 3rd recently but he was horrible earlier and I haven’t seen anyone raving about him recently. That fills both corner infield positions and relegates Headley to the bench, and they pick up a good starter. Yanks definitely have the prospect capital to get that done and still have a really good system, it’s just a question of if they are willing to pay the price. If they add those 3 guys, and maybe a reliever for cheap, depending on matchups they might just push to the ALCS.
Florial Acevedo and Mateo for gray and Alonso seems like win win for both teams.
That’s light on the return going back to the A’s. Deadline pitching acquisitions are expensive, especially TOR.
I think Yankees would have to include at least one other player.
Another team will easily beat that offer
Beane wants prospects that’ll be MLB ready in 3 or more years so they can grow a contending team in new park. So if its just for Alonso, be ready to cough up Estevan Florial or Nolan Martinez. But if its Sonny and Alonso, be ready to give up both those guys plus Blake Rutherford and a few lower level guys.
Pretty much this.
Alonso doesn’t move the needle. The Yankees simply don’t have the healthy horses to be one of the best teams this season. Unless the cost to fill short term needs is a bag of balls, the Yanks might as well keep their powder dry and roll with what they have and focus on next season.
That’s what I believe Cashman is thinking of doing. Contending this year is very likely fool’s gold.
Gray and Alonzo for Jorge Mateo, Domingo Acevedo, Nick Solak, Ian Clarkin. Maybe one other top guy like Blake Rutherford or Andujar.
I’d do Andujar before Rutherford
As long as it’s for no major prospects, I.E Frazier, Torres, Rutherford, and Adams then sure
Yanks won’t trade Frazier or Torres that’s why if you read the article yesterday the A’s know this and have been scouting the Yankee system and looking at other guys.
Agreed. If the A’s want any of the top 4 or 5 then they can trade Alonso & Gray to a different team. I really don’t think adding those 2 will make the Yankees a contender this year. Better to just make any necessary moves in the off season.
If you’re talking about for Alonso straight up, then yes I certainly agree. But if Gray is included, at least 1, possibly even 2 of those guys will be gone.
Just don’t do it, Cashman, if it costs anything substantive. I love the new direction–the younger players with athleticism already on the roster and the potential down on the farm. It’s been 20+ years since the Yankees offered their fans potential. It’s exciting.
Generally I agree, but they are going to lose many players eventually in the Rule V draft. A lot of their young players play positions that May be filled for the next several years. If they have no long term future, it is best to trade them and get at least some value back than to lose them in the Rule V draft and get nothing in return.
Ok, but if that’s it, then maybe try to find someone with an additional year of control? Alonso would require a 40 man spot as well
I never said they had to go for Alonso. Of course he can use them to get other players under multiple years of control as well such as Gray or Cole if he’s available.
Beane better hurry up and work out a deal with Cashman for Alonso because if Cooper has a few more games like he did last night the Yankees may move on from looking for a rental for 1B for the remainder of this season. And concentrate bullpen help.
Gray’s a possibility, in my opinion for the SP if Beane would look at Rutherford & Mateo as the headlines of a deal. Yankees aren’t going to give up Frazier OR Torres.
The Yankees absolutely DO NOT need Sonny Gray. He can hardly stay healthy, would cost a boatload of high end prospects and the Yankees already young starters to look at the rest of this season so as to determine what they want to do going forward.
Montgomery and Severino are under control for years. Sabathia can be resigned this off season for a short term deal for a more reasonable salary. Tanaka has a buyout but he’d be foolish to exercise it. After that, they have Cessa, Mitchell, Green, Chance Adams, even the kid who pitched last night–Caleb Smith, a lefty–who showed some promise.
This is a transition year for the Yankees. Cashman and crew will have a great deal of work to do this off season with too many outfielders and all the prospects who should be ready real soon and will need playing time at the MLB level so as to develop.
Therefore, let someone else overpay for Gray.
Why would you dismiss Gray out of hand without even knowing what ultimately it would take to get him. As for the prospects/rookies you mentioned none of them and that includes Adams have the same upside or potential as Gray. I’m not saying Gray is the be all end all but he deserves consideration.
A’s can keep Alonso and get a 1st Round Comp Pick in the 2018 Draft (Pick 31 thru 40). So the return better be comparable to a 1st Round Pick + Low Level Prospect.
I might be mistaken but to get that compensation pick the A’s would have to make him a QO estimated to be about $18MM. Do you believe they would do that? Because if I’m Alonso I take the $18MM QO.
Alonso would be very thankful if Oakland gave him a QO and would almost assuredly accept it quickly.
I agree. A QO to Alonso makes almost no sense for the A’s.
As I said above, I believe he would also need to get 50+ Million on the market on top of that 18+ million QO he’d have to turn down to get the As the comp pick.
Do you think he will get 50+ Million on the market if he turned down the 18million?
I don’t think Alonso will get either the $18MM QO or $50MM via FA.
Exactly, and I have a feeling both the A’s and Alonso similarly feel that is at least pretty likely if not guaranteed (that he won’t get 50, and he accepts if somehow offered 18 so A’s wouldn’t)
I can see the Yankees making a move for Gray and Alonzo. A package of Rutherford (55 FV), Sheffield (55), Wade (50) and Widener (45) is the type of offer I would expect. Two 55s, a 50 and a 45 would be a solid return for the A’s and it gives the Yankees a controllable TOR pitcher for the next several years, plus fills a hole as they attempt to hang on this year. The A’s get an MLB ready MIF, a high upside OF, a near MLB ready mid rotation LHP and a SP flier who has looked solid.
WOW…Just WOW
What exactly does your comment mean? Are you excited because you think this is a great deal for the Yankees? Or unhappy because you think the Yankees are better off punting this season and buying pitching on the free agent market? If it’s the former, hope the Yankees and A’s get together and make it happen. If it’s the latter, you stated above that you think the Yankees should target young cost controlled pitching and Sonny Gray fits that bill. He’s 27 and is controlled through the 2019 season. The Yankees also would get a bat that helps to fill a hole they have this season. A season in which they currently hold the final playoff spot.
Gray yes,Alonso no. That is just way too much and they are ahead of schedule. Some Yankee fans don’t want any top 5 prospects traded for Gray,but I differ..be it now or the offseason,which he might come cheaper. This team even with those two you suggested has too many flaws to realistically get a playoff spot.
I know BB said what he said, but I’d still like to see any new players that aren’t quite MLB ready get some time on the roster in Nashville or Oakland. A’s fans remember a few years ago playing the Astros and seeing guys like Springer and Altuve getting time maybe a little early before they were “ready”. I think that’s played out/paid off well for them.
With a new stadium coming and deeper pockets not only allows the A’s to maybe start keeping their star players, but allows them to start playing them sooner since managing MLB service becomes less of an issue.
“With a new stadium coming” but there’s nothing definite as of yet.
Something will happen. I like the Peralta location myself. The existing location would be cool too if that area got a drastic makeover.
Did you see Eric Burns on Maddog today? He said h was in a tavern knocking back with a team employee(he wouldn’t name him of course). Burnsie said the guy had a few too many and said they do have some property and it’s close.
*he
Yankees get Gray and Alonso
Athletics get Rutherford, Florial, and 2 of Tate, Clarkin, Littell, Fleicer Perez, Guzman, Widener.
A’s get their OFs in Rutherford and Florial plus some pitching, Yankees get their TOR arm who’s controlled for 2 more seasons and fill 1B while making a playoff push while keeping their near MLB ready arms in Adams and Sheffield.
Boy do we miss Texeira….
With basically the spare parts the Tigers got for JD Martinez arguably the best bat on the market teams like the A’s and Mets shouldn’t expect much for guys like Alonso or Duda.