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NL East Notes: Turner, Bruce, Braves, Hoskins

By Steve Adams | August 29, 2017 at 8:52am CDT

The Nationals welcomed Jayson Werth and Max Scherzer back to the roster last night, with both making strong contributions in their win. Today (weather permitting), they’ll see shortstop Trea Turner come off the disabled list as well, giving them another boost down the stretch as they gear up for the NLDS. As Barry Svrluga of the Washington Post writes, that’s just one step closer to whole for a Nats club that has played well through injuries but hasn’t gotten a chance to showcase how formidable it can be with its key lineup pieces and summer bullpen additions all healthy at the same time. Bryce Harper and Ryan Madson are the final major pieces of the puzzle, Svrluga notes, though surely the Nats would also relish the opportunity to add a healthy Koda Glover and Enny Romero to the mix as well.

A few more notes from the National League East…

  • Jay Bruce was the focal point of trade rumors and (earlier in his tenure) criticism for much of his time with the Mets, but the slugger tells Dan Martin of the New York Post that he is “absolutely” open to a reunion with the Mets in free agency this winter. Bruce tells Martin that he’s never seen a team as gutted by injuries as the 2017 Mets and still believes the team has the talent to contend in 2018. “I believe the Mets are a team that feels obligated to put a winning group out there, barring any injuries,” says Bruce. “I enjoyed my time in New York. It’s a great group of guys there. The talent’s there. The nucleus is there. We’ll see what happens.”
  • The Braves made what appear to be some fairly minor changes in their front office, reports Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic (subscription required and recommended), but some within the organization wonder if they’re the start to larger alterations. Among the more notable changes, Dom Chiti has moved from director of pitching to farm director, per Rosenthal. Special assistant Dave Wallace will step into Chiti’s former role. Dave Trembley will no longer serve as farm director and will instead be a field coordinator. Many teams make changes to their front office structure and scouting departments around this time, so the exact timing of the moves isn’t a surprise. One club official, though, spoke to Rosenthal about a “power struggle,” rhetorically asking: “Is John Schuerholz running the club or are John Hart and John Coppolella running it?” Rosenthal cites other Braves sources in reporting that Hart refutes the validity of that view. Hart, according to Rosenthal, is expected to return next year (his contract runs through 2017), and the Braves are also expected to eventually hire another exec to work under current Coppolella, who is currently the GM.
  • The Phillies still aren’t certain exactly where Rhys Hoskins will play for the remainder of the 2017 season once Aaron Altherr and Odubel Herrera are activated from the disabled list, writes MLB.com’s Todd Zolecki. But, Hoskins’ historic start to his MLB career all but ensures that he’ll be in the lineup on a daily basis down the stretch. Manager Pete Mackanin suggested that he knows fully what Herrera and Altherr are capable of, so Hoskins could get some at-bats at their expense down the stretch. He’ll also be mixed in at first base, though Mackanin suggested that current first baseman Tommy Joseph “is an asset” for the Phils as well. Also of note, Zolecki notes that top prospect J.P. Crawford “is certain” to receive a September call-up, so Phils fans will soon have another look at one of the team’s hopeful core pieces.
  • Zolecki focuses on the 2017 season, but the issues that he raises lead to the greater question of Joseph’s future with the team. The Phillies have likely seen enough from Altherr and rookie Nick Williams that they’ll want each to get regular at-bats in the outfield corners next season, thus preventing Hoskins from playing left field. It seems largely inevitable that Hoskins will claim the regular first base role in 2018, barring the trade of a young outfielder this winter, which either makes Joseph himself a trade candidate or pushes him into a bench role.
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  1. ronnsnow

    8 years ago

    Send Hoskins to winterball and see how he fairs at third base

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  2. Priggs89

    8 years ago

    No need to over complicate this. Tommy Joseph is mediocre at best, and this year he has been absolutely terrible. Easy decision.

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    • vinscully16

      8 years ago

      Agreed … easy call.

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    • renegadescoach

      8 years ago

      Easy call for any other ML manager…not for Pete Mackanin. He has trouble with the simple stuff.

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      • NotCanon

        8 years ago

        I imagine he’s getting some imperatives from the FO to try to help Joseph build up trade value, while also demonstrating that they don’t feel like they have trade him. If you can package an average-ish 1B, Galvis, and possibly Cesar Hernandez (and a prospect or two), you could try to land a good SP from a struggling team looking to refresh their infield.

        I don’t know that it’s particularly likely to work, but they lose all leverage if it appears they don’t have room for Joseph next year.

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        • Priggs89

          8 years ago

          I’m sure you’re right in regards to trying to build up his trade value, but even if he hits like he did last year, his trade value will be minimal. He currently doesn’t have anywhere near enough bat to make up for his awful defense or to put him at DH.

          The weird thing is that before 2016, he never even hit well in the minors outside of small sample sizes. The only times his numbers have ever looked good are in sample sizes of under 30 games. I know he was young, but he didn’t hit well in A ball after being drafted. The next year he hit OK in High-A. Then he was bad in AA in 2012. He barely played in 2013 but was horrible when he did – yet he somehow played the majority of his games in AAA. 2014 he finally put up some good numbers in AA, but it was only a 21 game sample (barely played that year). 2015 he was embarrassingly bad in AAA (barely played that year). Even 2016, by far his best year, he only played in 27 AAA games before getting called up (to be fair, he did hit very well in those games).

          Obviously something was clicking last year because he was able to hold his own against major league pitching, but I wouldn’t expect that to continue going forward. Looking at the numbers, the fact that he has even made it to where he is now is extremely surprising. He’s definitely not the type of player that holds back a prospect like Rhys Hoskins.

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        • Coast1

          8 years ago

          Tommy Joseph has a .531 OPS in August. So playing him has likely diminished his trade value. If they’d benched him at the deadline it would’ve been better.

          But that assumes Joseph has or can have trade value. His wRC+ is 85. That’s not good but it’d be passable if he were a catcher or shortstop. He’s a first baseman and that makes him worse. He’s 28th out of 29 qualified 1B in offense. That’s offense. So who is he an upgrade for? And his defense is terrible.

          Everyone knows there’s no room for Joseph with the Phillies. I doubt there’s any room for him with anyone else. The Phillies seem to think other teams don’t have access to stats and might be excited because Joseph has 19 HRs.

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        • willi

          8 years ago

          Your a Crack pot , Galvis is a Gold Glove SS, Hernandez is a steady fielding 2nd baseball and is Premium Lead off hitter , with Speed and some pop !

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        • vtadave

          8 years ago

          I think the thought there is that Galvis is a free agent after next season and that Hernandez has a fair amount of trade value. The Phillies have two premium MI prospects in Kingery and Crawford that are ready / near-ready for the big leagues.

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        • NotCanon

          8 years ago

          Exactly this. Galvis is a great defender, but his bat leaves a lot to be desired, and his cheapest years are now gone. Cesar is a really good acquisition for a team that already has good power and has a need at 2B. Package them with a backup 1B/bench bat (Joseph), and a prospect or two, and you could get a really good pitcher in the right market (or a #3-ish SP with some team control and a prospect, in a more standard market).

          Meanwhile, Crawford looks to be a bit worse defensively than Galvis, but leagues ahead offensively, and Kingery’s D is likely near Cesar’s, with bat potential significantly higher (though he has to prove that over the long haul).

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        • NotCanon

          8 years ago

          Joseph literally could not hurt his trade value with a bad month, because he didn’t have any. A great August and September would have changed the conversation a bit, because of how much team control he still has (and he’s honestly not that old, either).

          The Phillies can’t appear desperate to trade him, because that ruins any leverage at all. There’s room for him in a bench bat/backup 1B role, potentially, because if Crawford takes over the everyday SS role next year, that means Galvis can be the super-sub, who can play 2B/SS/3B/LF (not advisable).

          That doesn’t mean they should keep him, but if they think he can be decentish at the dish, which he has shown in the past, then he can be a worthy bench/trade piece.

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    • CubsRebsSaints

      8 years ago

      Agreed. Hoskins is a first baseman.

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  3. realgone2

    8 years ago

    I always thought Schuerholz didn’t wanna give up the GM spot

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    • baseball10

      8 years ago

      The front office has appeared to be all together on this rebuild so Rosenthal article is surprising. However, losing always causes issues and this second half collapse could be playing a part

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    • Jon429

      8 years ago

      I don’t buy it, Hart seemed very reluctant to take the job after they fired Wren. If Schuerholz is running FO decisions I would think Hart would just take his happy retired self back to Orlando and his golf game. Instead we’re hearing that Hart may stick around for another year.

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  4. Matt 37

    8 years ago

    Can Williams or Altherr play CF?

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    • NotCanon

      8 years ago

      Yes, but so can Odubel Herrera, who has proven better than either of them at the position, and still really good with the bat.

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    • Coast1

      8 years ago

      Williams did in the minors but he was so bad out there the last two weeks that they replaced him with Pedro Florimón, even though Florimón had only played 7 games there in his career and never at a big league level.

      Altherr could be a good CF but Herrera is a great defender, possibly Gold Glove worthy.

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  5. rememberthecoop

    8 years ago

    If they don’t play Hoskins something is seriously wrong with them.

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    • Caseys Partner

      8 years ago

      If the Phillies lose the first pick of the draft at this point then there is something really, really wrong with them.

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  6. dodgerfan711

    8 years ago

    Why on earth would the Mets who wanted to dump Bruces contract all season re sign him?

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    • gocincy

      8 years ago

      Agreed. The Mets have no apparent plan, so everybody creates their own plan for the Mets. That means we read a million different plans, often contradicting each other. It’s madness and it reflects the incoherence and lack of cohesion in the Mets organization.

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    • Wizzrobe

      8 years ago

      This season in particular it looks at a logjam with Granderson, Lagares and Conforto in the mix. Granderson is no longer in the mix and Lagares/Nimmo can continue as 4th and 5th outfielders. Bruce is a legit power bat who plays decent defense. I feel like he might contribute as much or more than Cespedes for less money.

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      • willi

        8 years ago

        Bruce doesn’t Play decent defense , he Below average and it is’t going to get any better as he ages.
        He’s an American League Player for the rest of his career !

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  7. El Duderino

    8 years ago

    Trade Herrera.

    I’m tired of his shenanigans. You can only see a guy do a bat flip on a fly out so many times before you want to see him off the team.

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    • Brixton

      8 years ago

      Hes the best overall player on the team and is controlled for 6 more seasons. They aren’t trading him any time soon. Wanna know who else flipped their bat and didnt always hustle? Jimmy Rollins

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      • El Duderino

        8 years ago

        I don’t know if he’s the best overall player on the team, but I do know he holds actual trade appeal as opposed to many of the other players. The Phillies won’t be getting much to anything for Tommy Joseph, Hernandez, or Galvis. Herrera could actually bring back a guy or two of worth.

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        • NotCanon

          8 years ago

          Odubel Herrera literally has the most WAR of any Phillies position player (he’s tied with Cesar, since he picked up some while Herrera has been on the DL), and he’s the 2nd-best defender on the team (behind Galvis).

          He’s the 8th-best CF in baseball, tied with JBJ.

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    • Tmandolfan

      8 years ago

      I agree with you. Herrera is a total bonehead and the highest paid player. That’s an awful combination. He’s like the anti-Utley. Utley gets the max out of his ability whereas Herrera self-sabotages WAY too often. Tough to win with clowns.

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  8. Brixton

    8 years ago

    Tommy Joseph is below-average-to-terrible at every aspect of baseball. He should get nontendered this offseason

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    • NotCanon

      8 years ago

      Eh, he’s not below average with the bat, but he’s not far enough above average to make up for his inexperience and lack of flexibility on D. I don’t have a problem with him being Matt-Stairs-Lite next year, if Crawford takes over at SS and Galvis turns into the utility supersub (ditch Blanco and Kelley).

      You have to make some decisions when they bring up Kingery, but until then you can ride things out a bit with a RH bench bat with above-average power.

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      • Priggs89

        8 years ago

        He may not be below average with the bat (this year he is), but I certainly wouldn’t call him above average. There’s nowhere near enough bat there to make up for his terrible defense. I’m not saying he can’t become average or slightly better with the bat, but right now, he’s a waste of a roster spot.

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      • Brixton

        8 years ago

        He has decent pop for a normal player, but for a 1B/DH who is a bench bat, he doesn’t have enough to be passable. Hes basically what non-2011 John Mayberry was, minus the outfield play. Thats a pretty useless player

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  9. imindless

    8 years ago

    Jp Crawford is the next bust. Awful contact rates in the minors, to much swing and miss.

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    • Brixton

      8 years ago

      JPC has a 17.8% K rate, which is lower than Bellinger, Seager, Taylor and Grandel, among tons of other big leaguers who are considered good-to-great. Plus he walks a ton and is a good defender, he’ll be fine. People over reacted to a bad start of the season.

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    • NotCanon

      8 years ago

      I imagine you weren’t aware that since coming off the DL for a groin injury that seemed to drastically alter his approach at the plate to start the year (6/20), he’s posted an .880 OPS, with a 52/39 K/BB ratio, 11 HR, 5 3Bs, and 13 2Bs, on an insanely-sustainable .307 BABIP?

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    • Coast1

      8 years ago

      His career strikeout rate is 14% of plate appearances. That is the exact opposite of awful. Herrera was 16% in the minors and Hernandez was 14% and they are the team’s best hitters now.

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  10. willi

    8 years ago

    I’am thoroughly convinced that Major League Players live in a Bubble !
    Bruce wanting to Return to the Team Titanic called the Mutts is Delusional at Best and Proves that he needs to be Drug Tested at the Least !

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  11. jakec77

    8 years ago

    Can anyone think of a situation where a major league kept a young player from going over the rookie AB limit in order to market them the following year as a ROY candidate?

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  12. Bill

    8 years ago

    I’m always amused when reporters make a big deal out of players saying what Jay Bruce did! Of course he said that – why would he rule out a potential suitor who might be able to raise bids for his services?

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  13. marckahn

    8 years ago

    Phils need pitching. Herrera only guy likely to get a decent starter. Trade him. Altherr to cf Williams right field
    Hoskins lf. Try Hernandez or kingery at 3rd. Get what you can for Franco and Joseph.

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    • marckahn

      8 years ago

      Ps one of the 3 catchers on the roster to first base

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    • Caseys Partner

      8 years ago

      Hoskins would bring back more than Odubel.

      Other teams and fan bases dislike Odubel and like Hoskins for the same reasons as you.

      Odubel will retire as a Phillie and go up on the wall.

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