Giancarlo Stanton discusses his future with the Marlins in a big new feature by Fan Rag’s Jon Heyman. Here are the highlights.
- Stanton isn’t interested in being around for a rebuild, should the Marlins go that route, as seems fairly likely, under new ownership. “I don’t want to rebuild,” he tells Heyman bluntly. “I’ve lost for seven years.” Stanton’s take on the Marlins’ situation is worth noting, since he has a full no-trade clause, plus an opt-out after 2020.
- “I’m sick of the negativity,” Stanton says. “Anything positive I’ve done, there’s still negativity. I’m doing this … but the owner’s doing that. I’m doing this, but the team’s doing that.” Stanton further notes that even upon the announcement of his record-setting contract, “most of the questions were negative.”
- Stanton describes his chase for 60-plus home runs as “a fun little obstacle,” but adds that “[i]f it doesn’t happen … oh well.”
- A rival executive tells Heyman that one potential issue with trading Stanton is that the Marlins would have to compensate for the backloading of the contract — Stanton has only made $30MM so far (meaning he’s been underpaid — by about a factor of three, Heyman figures), and $295MM is left on the deal.
- This isn’t directly Stanton-related, but Heyman notes as an aside that in the Marlins clubhouse, veterans are wondering out loud about where they might be traded over the winter. Some feel the Cardinals are a possibility. Heyman doesn’t name them, although the Cardinals have been connected to Marcell Ozuna and Christian Yelich in the past.
- Yelich and catcher J.T. Realmuto are the two players potential trading partners ask about most frequently, Heyman adds.
New ownership getting of to a great start
To be fair, all of this is hardly their fault
Stanton for Puig
This, plus like one good and two okay prospects.
Marlins aren’t getting much with a contract like Stanton’s
No way the Marlins don’t get good prospects. The fans they’re hoping to win back won’t come back if all the Marlins get is payroll relief. Puig makes $9 million and only has one more year on his deal. That’s not the return the Marlins will want.
Dodgers want to drop payroll
It’s dropping by just getting Ethier, Guerrero, Crawford off the books. also, Kazmir, AGonz, and McCarthy after ’18 season.
Good trade. Stanton would approve a trade to his home team he rooted for growing up. Maybe the Dodgers could get him to take a pay cut? If he wants his contract, stay on a rebuilding team. If he wants to win, then he’s going to have to show that by taking a pay cut.
The contract is locked up..The MLBPA would never allow it.
Pay cuts aren’t allowed in MLB. They could restructure the contract somehow but the dollars can’t be cut.
He doesn’t need to take a pay cut to play for the Dodgers…they’ve already showed they are willing and able to take on that contract dropping off some of they’re fringe players who are making more than they contribute to the teams success.
Make the trade Dodgers and bring Stanton home to South Cal.
Pay cut…..do you read what you post?
Ha!
Wake up, 3 Puig’s maybe
We’re going to wake up one day in winter and Stanton’s going to be traded to the Astros
No way Goat
Yankees.
Judge and Stanton on the same team would be fun to watch
I would be okay with that
If Stanton didn’t want to lose, perhaps the Marlins weren’t the team to sign a lifetime contract with.
He has an opt-out so he can leave in a few years if he wants. If something bad happens, he has the security of sticking with his mega deal.
He would have been absolutely crazy not to sign.
Well said Alvaro.
EXACTLY
Stanton didn’t sign a lifetime contract.
Basically he did. He won’t be effective by the end of it
Well said Alvaro…..we miss you in the Bronx!
Hey, maybe the Mets won’t be the most disfunctional in the division afterall
…yeah right, who am I kidding?
Come on Cardinals out of Stanton, Ozuna, Yelich, Martinez, and Donaldson you need to make a move. If I don’t see To of these guys in a Cardinal uniform opening day then I guess there’s always 2019…
Personally I would like to see ozuna in a Giants uniform.
I hope the Dodgers keep Puig, but if he’s going to the Marlins, the Marlins better get rid of Don Mattingly first.
Paige is a cancer, and no way Donnie Baseball is going to Puig 2 with the Marlins.
Idk that he’s a cancer. I think he had some growing up to do. I think he can rub guys the wrong way sometimes with his personality. I also think both the manager and some of the vets play a part in that highly dysfunctional clubhouse. You can say he was immature and still has a little growing, but a cancer signifies he’s just a bad dude.
Stanton to Phillies for
FRANCO, MONIAK, CESAR HERNANDEZ, PIVETTA – phillies take huge contract , STANTON
The Marlins aren’t just going to take the players you don’t want.
A pipe dream trade for me would be Stanton to the Jays for Tulo, Travis and Hernandez. The Marlins can then look t moving Dee Gordon for some other pieces they need.
Tulo isn’t worth a high A prospect, let alone a piece in a Stanton trade.
I’m also a Jays fan and THAT would be an awful deal for the Marlins. Your offering spare parts for a franchise player. Weak.
You’re taking on over $200 million. If anyone gives up high prospects for him they’re nuts. He is legit, but the contract limits the teams who can trade for him. Marlins save $10 million by getting Tulo in the deal and the Jays take on the whole $200+ million. It also allows the Marlins to trade Dee Gordon’s contract to shed more payroll. Like I said it’s a pipe dream, but the Marlins will have to take back some money if they want to trade the whole $200 million left on Stanton’s deal.
If the Marlins were going to trade Stanton for salary relief they could find a team that wouldn’t make them take Tulo and Travis or give up Gordon.
This offseason is gonna be fun. I see the Giants as the only legit suitors for Stanton. They don’t have the prospects to make it happen so for them it would be about the amount of salary they take on and at the end of the day I believe that will be most important to the Marlins on what they will look for in a return.
The Giants look to have a payroll over $200 million before acquiring Stanton, so this deal only works if the Marlins pay 100% of the contract over the first few years. I doubt the Marlins will do that without getting 3 top 100 prospects in the deal.
Ozuna for Benintendi.
Doesn’t make sense for Boston
The silence of the new ownership group speaks volumes. I think we can expect a full blown Houston style teardown with most of their major league pieces dealt within a year. Their actions so far clearly state there are no sacred cows. They’ll want Stanton’s contract off the books as soon as possible.
It’s a good move. The Astros success makes it easier for other teams to sell to their fan bases.
Five years ago, I had to really explain how the Astros were building a winner.
The advantage for MIA in this situation is that they don’t have the problem of trying to unload aging players with huge contracts. The Phillies’ rebuild was delayed for years for that reason and, to some degree, so were the rebuilds for the Cubs and Astros. Players like Yelich, Ozuna, Urena, and Realmuto will net them a healthy crop of high end prospects on which to build, and finding a taker for Stanton’s contract will give them a world of financial flexibility. The only bad contracts they’ll either have to eat or ride out would be Chen and Prado.
The Phillies rebuild was delayed because they chose to unload few of their aging players. Those that they did unload (Victorino, Pence, Blanton) brought back unproductive returns. If the Phillies had unloaded Rollins, Utley, Hamels, et al earlier it might have helped them. The Phillies’ farm system failed to produce adequate replacements.
The Marlins could benefit if they do trade some of their valuable players and get good players in return, but they are hurt because their current farm system is bottom 5. The Phillies were able to pay the entire contracts of players they traded. That got them better returns for Hamels and Papelbon.
Dee Gordon would be attractive if he cost a team getting him only $5 million a year. Stanton would get them a lot and open up potential suitors if the Marlins were eating $150 million. Few teams can afford Stanton’s contract and those that can might not be willing to give up much if they have to take the whole thing.
in 7 seasons (not including his rookie season where he played in 100 games) Stanton played in 884 games out of 1132 available to him (up until today) which means he missed 248 Games during that time, an average of 35 games a season or just about a full season in a half.
just interesting is all, stuff happens. might not miss another game in his career.
So, basically he’s got 10 years at $30 million per? Would he get that if he was a free agent? If not, why would anyone give up anything to acquire him (unless Marlins are eating a big chunk of that contract)?
Yes Stanton would get that Contract as a FA. Why would anyone give up anything to acquire him without salary dish back? Because he’s a franchise player that would rake on any contending team. I’m not a Marlins fan, but I’d take him in a heart beat in Seattle! Seattle just doesn’t have any prospects to speak of for Stanton!
Have been thinking on this for a while now..
A trade something along these lines could work;
Orioles trade Chris Davis and Manny Machado to the Marlins for Stanton, 2 top pitching prospects and a fair amount of money to offset Stanton’s salary down the road.
Machado is the player the Marlins desperately need to build their franchise on. Stanton would kill it in Baltimore and he would be a great face of the franchise..
That makes no sense at all. Why would the marlins want back chris Davis if they are rebuilding? Plus you can’t rebuild your franchise around machado when he’s only got 1 year left on his contract. Your essentially giving up staton and 2 pitching prospects for a Davis who also has a huge contract and 1 year of machado.
MT in Baltimore:
So you think Baltimore trading an albatross contract like Chris Davis (6 yrs $144 Mil left on deal) plus an arbitration eligible player who wants $400 Mil as a free agent AND 2 good pitching prospects AND a fair amount of cash is a deal the Marlins would even consider? And you thought about this for some time? Hahahaha!
Don’t mean to insult anyone’s intelligence w this idea…can’t help but think that the Marlins would be interested in getting Manny to settle there in his home town a year early..
The Stanton and Davis contracts are both close to immovable without other factors involved.
The point of trading Stanton would be because they can’t afford him. They’ll have decided they can’t afford to have one player take up such a high percentage of payroll.
Machado might want to play for them but even if he does he’ll likely cost more than they’re paying Stanton. If they’re going to do that they keep Stanton.
Stanton is having a 7.6 bWAR season. He might get his deal this off-season if he were a free agent. Davis has 0.0 bWAR. If he were a free agent he’d get a 1 year deal. They aren’t comparable.
This thread seems to be “I want Stanton and get him for nothing.”
If the orioles wanted to take the contract on, they would just pay machado
One guy just hit 59 or possibly more homers. The other guy is an unathletic first baseman who looks like Lou Ferrigno and couldn’t hit his own weight. I don’t understand how their contracts are remotely comparable.
Stanton has 10 yrs and roughly $300MM left on his contract. Would he get that as a FA? Maybe…but let’s YES for arguments sake. The signing team would automatically give up a 1st round draft pick AND the Marlins would get a sandwich pick. So that starts the negotiations. Since you can’t trade picks in MLB- for Stanton straight up, Marlins are right to ask for essentially 2 top level prospects. The trend has not been to give out 10 yr deals so the acquiring team will want offset cash or lower the value of the return. – say 2 middling prospects. The Marlins can’t make the trade for essentially nothing so they will offer cash. Best bet for a trade: Stanton and CASH (I put the O/U at $70MM) for 4 prospects – 2 studs and two middling, OR 1 MLB youngster who is controllable, 1 Top 50 prospect and a middlling prospect. What could make it wild is if they put Yelich or Ozuna IN the trade…a team says “Imagine THAT outfield with OUR pitching staff”…That could make for an historic trade!
I agree Brasley. I do think and trading team will want to unload a bad contract to the Marlins. I think the Marlins would be okay as long as the returning bad contract is not over 2-3 years.
Staton to the Rangers for a long term deal