August 22: Pittsburgh officially selected Chandler’s contract. They already had two openings on the 40-man roster.
August 20: The Pirates are promoting top pitching prospect Bubba Chandler to the major leagues, according to a report from Noah Hiles of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. Alex Stumpf of MLB.com adds that Chandler’s contract will be selected to the roster on Friday, while Hiles notes that Chandler will pitch in a long relief role.
It’s a long-awaited promotion for Chandler, who entered the season viewed as a consensus top-20 prospect in the sport and on the shortlist for the league’s very best pitching prospects. The 22-year-old hurler reached the Triple-A level last year and opened eyes with a brilliant 1.83 ERA in seven starts where he struck out 34.0% of batters faced, and that led many to speculate upon whether or not Chandler would be brought up to the majors early in the 2025 campaign or perhaps even join the club’s Opening Day rotation.
That’s not the route that Pittsburgh decided to take. Chandler has spent the entire 2025 campaign at Triple-A to this point and will now will only get promoted to the majors for the final weeks of the season. The right-hander did everything he could to force the issue early in the season, with a sterling 2.03 ERA and a 35.0% strikeout rate in 11 starts through the end of May. His call to the majors never came, however, and Chandler began to struggle as the summer began. Since June began, Chandler has struggled to a 5.96 ERA due in part to vanishing command. He’s struck out just 22.1% of his opponents during that time while walking a hefty 13.1%.
A .377 BABIP since the start of June is surely the culprit for at least some of those struggles, however, and it’s also possible that the challenge of a new level could help invigorate Chandler upon his arrival to the majors. After all, this is the same prospect who dominated Triple-A to the tune of a 1.94 ERA, 2.79 FIP, and 34.6% strikeout rate across his first 18 starts at the level. High as the right-hander’s upside clearly appears to be, however, his recent struggles can’t be ignored. Perhaps that’s why the Pirates will look to ease him into the majors with a bullpen role to start off his big league career.
It’s hardly an unprecedented path for even a potential star player to take. Chris Sale and, more recently, Garrett Crochet both spent years pitching out of the bullpen before moving into the rotation and becoming the ace-level arms we know today. That doesn’t appear to be the plan for Chandler, of course, as Stumpf writes that the Pirates view Chandler as a starter long-term and he could get starts at the big league level later this year. Future Hall of Famer Max Scherzer served as a swing man for the Diamondbacks during his first year in the big leagues, while current rookies like Joey Cantillo, Brad Lord, and Ryan Gusto have also broken into the majors by starting out in a hybrid role between starting and relief work. That’s also true for a few of Chandler’s Pirates teammates like Braxton Ashcraft and Mike Burrows.
Chandler’s impending ascension to the major leagues brings together Pittsburgh’s fleet of young starting pitchers. Led by likely NL Cy Young award winner Paul Skenes, the Pirates’ 2026 rotation figures to feature Ashcraft, Chandler, and Jared Jones as young, talented arms who have yet to reach arbitration. It’s a highly talented, exciting group of arms that should be a strong basis for a contending team, but if the 2025 season has been any indication the club will need to assemble a much better lineup than what they’ve put together this year if they hope to compete with the rest of the NL Central for a playoff spot.
Oneil Cruz is a toolsy player with star upside, and perhaps Bryan Reynolds will rebound from his down season in order to put up the solidly above-average numbers fans in Pittsburgh have grown to expect from him. Outside of that duo, however, there isn’t much to get excited about. While top prospect Konnor Griffin turned heads in the lower minors earlier this year, he’s only just made his debut at Double-A and isn’t especially likely to debut next year. If the team is to compete next year, the team will either need massive steps forward from under-performing young players like Spencer Horwitz, Henry Davis, and Nick Gonzales or they’ll need to make meaningful external additions to the lineup via either trade or free agency.
Strong performances from young arms like Chandler and Ashcraft down the stretch this year could go a long way to convincing Pittsburgh brass that now is the time to make a significant investment in short-term competitiveness. For now, however, the focus will simply be on getting Chandler acclimated to the majors in his first few weeks as a big league player. The Pirates have space on their 40-man roster already, so they’ll only need to make an active roster move in order to bring Chandler into the fold later this week.
Though Chandler struggled a bit in the summer, that’s surely not the only factor that went into the timing of this promotion. At this point in the schedule, it’s no longer possible for a player with no major league experience to accrue 45 days of service time before the season is done. That means a prospect promoted now will still be a rookie going into 2026, as long as his club limits him to fewer than 50 innings pitched or 130 at-bats.
That’s notable in this era of baseball, with the prospect promotion incentive. The PPI rules are designed to reward clubs who promote top prospects for an entire season, or enough of a season for the player to earn a full year of service time. As such, teams will often target these promotions so that the player will keep that rookie status going into the following season.
To qualify, a player needs to begin a season on two of the top 100 lists from Baseball America, MLB Pipeline and ESPN. As mentioned, Chandler is already a consensus top-20 prospect in the league. If the Pirates keep him under 50 innings this year and then put him on their 2026 Opening Day roster, he will be PPI eligible. He will then earn the Pirates an extra draft pick if he wins Rookie of the Year or finishes top three in Cy Young or MVP voting during his pre-arbitration seasons.
Since the Pirates aren’t competing here in 2025, they didn’t have much incentive to bring up Chandler in the summer, apart from starting the process of him getting acclimated to the big leagues. By waiting until now, they are giving Chandler less big league time in 2025 but will keep that potential extra draft pick in play for future seasons.
The Pirates aren’t the only club to follow this playbook. The Mets recently promoted Nolan McLean. The Orioles called up Samuel Basallo and Dylan Beavers. Surely, other top prospects will get the call in the coming days and weeks.
Its about time!
Right, because it is important to start his clock before the Pirates are competitive or even look like they will be competitive next year. The sooner they start his clock, the sooner they have to trade him.. Smart move.
I mean, I don’t foresee them being competitive as long as Nutting owns the team so he can’t stay in the minors forever.
They were competitive last year.
The weird blaming the owner shtick is tired
Are people still doing that with the Marlins?
The weird shtick of calling blaming the owner a weird shtick is weird. They hold the purse strings.
This a joke, right?
Even if they did have a competent owner, Pittsburgh is a football/hockey town.
Even they were competitive in the mid 2010s, the team never drew high attendance (the prices are also a 1/3 of big markets like Boston)
Pirates
2024 – Record: 76-86, Finished 5th in NL_Central
2025 – Record: 53-73, 5th place in NL_Central
Not seeing any difference.
Were they competitive in trying to get into last place?
Ever heard of using words that are redundant?
I too heard of it also
Pittsburgh might be more of a baseball town if the team was good more than once every 20 years
Pittsburgh almost lost the Penguins a couple of times until they started winning. The Steelers were a cheap ticket and easy to get before the 70s and they started winning. They were horrible prior to the 70s. The Pirates would draw and draw well if ever they could start consistently having winning records and at least compete.
They fell apart at the end
They were buyers at the trade deadline
That means nothing. They weren’t looking to accentuate a postseason roster. They got near .500 & traded out of desperation, hoping something worked. It obviously didn’t. They were also buyers at the deadline when they traded for Chris Archer. They don’t have a strong enough core to accentuate the roster. They need to spend money on quality free agents, not bounce back candidates.
So I was correct. They WERE competing for last place.
Who did they buy? Whoever it was was obviously not a very good player since they, as you put it, fell apart at the end.
Sounds like Richard
Chandler was probably going to make the Pirates rotation out of spring training next year anyway so there’s no harm in giving him a look in the big leagues now
The amount of service time he’ll accrue is negligible.
@Skeptical –
Perfect user name! The Pirates are not starting the clock on Chandler early. His call up will do nothing to his years of control except for to burn one of his options. It’s too late in the season for this call up to affect his number of years of control and he’ll retail rookie status for next year too.. They will still have him for the full 6 years after this season’s debut.
If Chandler comes anywhere close to his expectations, burning an option doesn’t make a difference as once he is here, he is expected to stay here and not shuttle back and forth to AAA for multiple seasons. This is just a nice looksie at him to see how he’ll handle major league batters for the rest of this season and to help them plan for their 2026 rotation.
Adding him to the 40 doesn’t burn an option. He was rule 5 eligible this off-season so he was going to be added anyways.
You are too knowledgeable of the game to be allowed to comment. The geniuses that bring the same shtick to every comment everywhere have to dominate the narrative.
Oh, they are also experts in football, hockey, and probably the soccer team, whatever they are called
How do you get competitive if you don’t bring up your elite talent?
Glad you agree. I hate seeing players waste time in the minor leagues when it’s clear they are due for a promotion.
He wasn’t due for a promotion. He’s struggled all summer. They are hoping for a “change of scenery” rebound on a kid that should have probably been demoted to AA. If he gets rocked in the MLB it’s going to be devastating for him. Wish him the best, but it’s not the right move.
The Pirates holding Chandler down in the minors all year has been one of the most ridiculous examples we’ve seen of service-time manipulation. He should have been up early, before rotting in the minors and losing his effectiveness. They kept running bad pitchers like Andrew Heaney out there, rather than giving someone who’s obviously more talented a chance.
pitching 4 shutout innings in last night’s game says you’re wrong about Bubba
Let’s wait until the sample size is a bit bigger than 4 innings and revisit this before declaring right and wrong. No one has any tape on him yet and his stuff is electric. Doesn’t surprise me his first game action went well. Also know, if he got rocked his first game, I wouldn’t be taking a victory lap either and calling him a bust. His stuff is that good.
Look, I would love to see this kid have success. Been watching him for years. To be honest I was hoping Pittsburg would pull a Pittsburgh and allow him to come to Boston. Good on them for keeping him. Their rotation has sooooo much potential. I’m also a huge O’Neil Cruz fan. I think his tools are absolutely amazing and the kid plays his heart out. He’s kind of a mess in the field but he will figure it out. That can be taught. The bat speed, sprint speed, and cannon arm, are god given. I think a couple more years of maturing and he’s gonna be a top 25 or better player.
Hate to break the bad news on Cruz to you.
Yes,he does have tools.
But he often doesn’t use them and probably never will.
There is a reason that he is hitting 203.
He strikes out a lot.
Once or twice this year he let balls go under his glove and did not even run after them hoping that the right fielder backed him up.
He gets caught running on line drives to infielders.
He still tends to watch long drives to the outfield instead of hustling out of the box.
He has a strong arm but an erratic one.
He has not really learned the position as he has played it one year because he did not want to move there from shortstop.The Pirates catered to him.
He has basically run out positions and really should be a DH.
The Pirates should trade him now for a good shortstop or third baseman to someone who is enamored by his talent.
Change of scenery would be probably be the best thing, I agree. Pretty hard to put a value on him.
My friend and I got tickets to go to the Pirates game on Friday a few days ago, so that’s a nice surprise. I think starting him in the bullpen is fine right now. He hasn’t pitched less than 5 innings more frequently than he has made it to 5+ since the start of June, and hasn’t made it to 6 IP since June 10.
Your nice surprise? is he’ll only be used in a mop-up role, significant deficit. Probably not the outcome you’ll be looking for.
I highly doubt that is the case. They said he’ll be used in a bulk reliever role. Ashcraft has only reached 5 innings once so far in the Major Leagues, and they just started Mlodzinski again instead of Heaney, and he only went 4 innings. The rotation spot the Pirates used Mlodzinski in is coming up on Friday, so they’ll probably do 3 innings for him, then 3 innings for Chandler.
Chandler has been horrible over the last two months so please spare me your lack of knowledge
Well look how good he pitched today. He’s a very talented prospect and can’t be kept down forever, even by the Pirates.
We did it, Richardson!!!
He’s done everything triple A has to offer so why not test the big leagues out for him
Probably upvoted his own silly comment.
Probably been going thru the motions in AAA after seeing every last bum getting called ip ahead of him. I expect him to pitch well in Pittsburgh moving forward
Bubba needs new scenery and new pitching coaches at MLB level. This is absolutely a good promotion.
One could point out that before the aforementioned awful 26.2 innings pitched, he dominated AAA for 110 innings. Since you are open to hot takes, it is possible that he has been left to cook down there for too long. Would really not surprise me to see him immediately dominate in the bigs
Not trying to say this is what is happening here, but sometimes guys need to be challenged
He has nearly 140 IP at Triple-A, going back from last year. I’m not saying that his recent performance has been good/means he deserves a promotion, but at what point do you draw the line in the sand? 139.1 IP at Triple-A is a lot for one of the best pitching prospects in baseball. Do we wait until he has 2-3 good starts, then promote him? Do we wait until next year and hope he has a good September? At this point in the year, hoping for a good few starts/good month of September is pretty arbitrary if you ask me.
Since the end of May:
5.96 ERA
1.87 WHIP
* ERA lol
He is living up to his name because keeping bubba in triple A sure is a hot take
@bucsfan2004. Sorry, I’m old school, very old school. Just going through the motions says things about one’s character and not good things. Hopefully, Chandler is not just going through the motions. I will give him the benefit of the doubt at this point.
No. It’s not.
Yes you wait until he can show he even deserves to be in AAA. One good start or 10. He’s gotta show something. You don’t just promote someone struggling, close your eyes, and cross your fingers they will figure it out because his metrics are elite. I hope the kid does figure it out because his talent is definitely elite. But there countless examples of elite talent not having success at the MLB level.
The Cardinals started a ton od good pitchers in relief before they became starters. It is working well for Ashcraft already. Should be a great move for Bubba too.
Andrew Heaney bonuses start at 120 innings. At 130 it becomes 100k. He’s at 119.2 It’s definitely time for Bubba
If that’s really the case, why not just release Heaney? It’s pretty clear that keeping Borucki would have been cheaper than risking Heaney reaching the bonuses. They’re on the hook for the salaries either way, Borucki is owed less.
These kind of comments make you “the owner is cheap” people look foolish.
They should put Heaney on waivers. Might be an injury ravaged team willing to pick up the tab
Nowhere in my comment did it say the owner is cheap. Your lil mind just came up with that somehow. Impressive but wrong. Talking about looking foolish. Going to a comment section when you can’t comprehend what you read is up there on foolish scale.
They could and probably will DFA him and release him if no one claims him which probably happens. Who’s knows with these teams and especially the Pirates.
Or maybe he knew that he has already proved himself and he lost his focus not being moved up. Happens when high prospects are kept down.
You have a clubhouse? Cool!
Ya got me! I have been throughly zung. 👏
Do you not understand the meaning of MAYBE? You, nor I, don’t know what’s on the Pirates mind concerning this move. Some players perform better at a higher level. Check out Colson Montgomery of the White Sox. Hitting less than .220 in AAA, got an emergency callup and tore it up. At least I gave you a good laugh…..DUDE.
Hot- What you fail to take into account is:
1 he is a young player
2 he may be somewhat immature
3 he has been lauded as one of the best pitchers in the minor leagues
4 he may have just lost focus
5 this may not be a result of a snit but just loss of focus
6 he may not be as good as he had shown.
I think that it is presumptuous if posters are assuming the worst as the reason for this decline in performance.
What it meant is that he could have just lost focus because he should have been recalled but not as a snit as some assume.
I am glad that there is a genius like you who figured it out.lol
Did anyone check with Tommy Tough Knuckles first?
Best Pirates news would be if MLB contracted the team altogether.
“ he’s currently struggling badly at Double-A “
He has one game. Went 1-4 with an rbi what are you guys talking about
MLBTR stealing writers from Rumbunter again????
“… and will now will…”
“Konnor Griffin is struggling badly at AA”.
WTH?? HE JUST GOT THERE!!
Last night was just his FIRST game! – 1-for-4 with an RBI is hardly struggling!
I guess they must have edited that out.
.250 average for #1 prospect in baseball is at the very least disappointing. Might have to let him feast on AFL pitching to get his confidence back.
Ummmm Griffin is 19 and has played 1 game at AA how is he “struggling badly”?
Writers for MLBTR are supposed to be vetted, right? I suggest that someone proof reads the articles before they are posted, because that one comment about Konnor Griffin is ridiculously not researched at all.
Bro, do some research when you write your articles! You said, “While top prospect Konnor Griffin turned heads in the lower minors earlier this year, he’s currently struggling badly at Double-A and isn’t especially likely to debut next year.”
What an airball! Griffin just played his first game for the AA Altoona Curve last night. At 19, he’s the youngest Altoona Curve player in history. His first AB was a base hit and he stole his 60th base of the season.
Across low A, high A, and AA this season, hes batting .332 with 16 HR, a minor league leading 97 runs scored, and 72 RBI…and 60 stolen bases. He’s an absolute freak. You should correct your article.
Bubba Chandler?? I’m still waiting on the arrival of Bubba Starling!
Finally.Now Chandler ,Skenes and the rest of the staff can get them to the playoffs next year.Pitching wins ball games.
good pitching combined with scoring more runs than your opponent wins games
Unfortunately they only have half of the equation
This is not the off season to spend. Too many holes on the roster. They need to supplement with short term contracts, still. They don’t necessarily need to wait for the leavings. They could slightly overpay for filler with an upside, and sign the ones they want early. I wouldn’t go to the extreme the A’s did with Severino, but a similar approach. It didn’t workout in his case, but the upside was there.
My question is what exactly the Pirates could buy, even if they decided to spend money. Bregman, if he opts out, is a non-starter because he would preclude filling any other holes if they pay him market rate. The rest of the 3B market is pretty terrible outside of Saurez, who is frankly getting a little long in the tooth and probably won’t outperform his next contract.
SS is pretty much the same story, there isn’t anyone really worth signing who is going to really help the offense. After Tucker, the OF options are slightly better, but no one stands out as a massive bounce back candidate. But if you were really looking to spend on an OF FA, you’re probably looking at Mullins, Robert or Guerriel. If you were guaranteed prime versions of any of those guys, they might be worth the money, but all of them are gambles for various reasons.
That pretty much leaves trying to pick off a bullpen arm (which they’ll probably do) and almost nothing else in terms of FAs. Beyond that, you’re looking at trades (a fair likelihood), grabbing someone else’s non-tender and hoping you can fix them, or that the Pirates somehow win the sweepstakes for Murakami.
With the pitching staff where it’s at both in terms of talent and contractual control, I think this offseason would be a great time to sign a mid-level free agent bat to a three year deal to help stabilize the offense a bit. Then also trade for another bat. You’re right about the market being pretty bland though.
Most likely outcome is another round of one year deals to fill out a roster and maybe flip at the deadline. But if they do want to go out of their comfort zone to move towards being competitive then Josh Naylor, Pete Alonso, Cedric Mullins and maybe Bo Bichette were the only guys that I’d really even consider giving a multi-year deal to anyway.
About time! He’s been struggling but let him figure it out against big league talent not AAA scrubs
Also Griffin just got called up to AA
Good move starting him in the pen.
He’s been extremely wild lately, even though he’s taken a few mph off to help him find the plate.
Hard to win games if your offense can barely manage to score 2 runs
Pirates going cheap instead of trying to win… once again.
How so?
if the Pirates manage to waste the youths of Paul Skenes, Bubba Chandler, and Konnor Griffin, the franchise will have to be permanently disbanded
Should’ve just continued jerking Chandler around and let him continue to rot in AAA with Nick Yorke until September.
I’d prefer mid April.
How is skenes even being considered the front runner for the cy young award? He has a losing record, he has a great era I’ll give him that, in his 2 starts against the brewers he crapped the bed
1/10 ragebait
Because it’s a new century. In this century almost everyone who isn’t a old dinosaur realizes that win loss is irrelevant to evaluating a pitcher.
Still an important stat.
Wins equal playoffs.
Could mean that the pitcher is no good,and quite often does.
Of course there are exceptions to every rule.
If good pitchers are unlucky or on poor hitting teams then they quite often have more losses than wins.
Other indicators are generally more accurate in assessing a pitcher’s performance.
But to say that win loss is not an important stat generally is said by the nerds who think that analytics is the be all end all of baseball that can always accurately predict the future.
Not important at all. It takes an entire team to win so why does 1 player get a win or loss. When pitchers went 9 innings it had more value as at least you were part of the entire game and in NL even hit.
Would Skenes have more wins if in Philly NY LA SD Boston? Because he would be a better pitcher there? Or because he isn’t solely responsible for wins? If it was an important stat it would tell you something besides if a player is on a good team or not.
think that analytics is the be all end all of baseball that can always accurately predict the future.
Who thinks that? I never heard anything say anything close to that ridiculous in my life. Not even bright eyes. Now you are just making it up.
Pitcher wins are pretty much only important in fantasy baseball, where wins are still a category in most leagues.
If it is not important why is it a stat at all?
Isn’t the starting pitcher the most important player to get a win in the game?
I said that there are other important stats also.
To say that it has absolutely no value flies against all of the industry who thinks that it is because it is listed under the main statistics.
It is a category in every web site that I see for real life results.
Real life results is what is important.
The starting pitchers with the best won loss records on any particular team generally tell who are the best pitchers on that team.
To verify that you have to look at other stats also.
It is difficult to compare to pitchers on other teams because of the different strengths of the various teams.
But to say that it is absolutely meaningless is absolutely ludicrous.
Same reason you old guys put asbestos in everything. You didn’t know any better.
Or serious answer once someone gets the idea to keep track of something in sports they keep track of it.
It’s just a age thing. At some age around 40. More under 40 it’s worthless in evaluating a pitcher. More over 40 it has value because that is what you thought and people don’t like to change. TV Radio Newspaper Dad Other Fans all told you it was important. Today’s sources younger people look at tell you it’s worthless.
I don’t use it in any projections. Era more useful much more but still useless.
I am looking for answers and win loss just gives you more questions. How good was the defense behind pitcher? Who much run support they get? How good was bullpen? Did manager leave him in too long?
Skenes is pitching tomorrow. 19 out of 20 29 out 30 there’s a number that he pitches well enough to win that many times.
Whether Skenes gets a win loss or no decision tomorrow has nothing to do with him unless it’s that once in a blue moon start. If the Pirates score 5 runs tomorrow before the 6th inning and the bullpen doesn’t blow the game Skenes will 90 95 97 percent will get a win. If he gives up a loss because he gave up 1 run what does looking at his win loss tell me? Tells me he likely played on a bad team.
There’s a stat called a quality start. If win loss record was useful there would be no need to keep track of quality starts.
It’s not you it’s me. That’s why there are sayings adapt or die. Creatures of comfort. Can’t teach a old dog new tricks. People listen to the same music they grew up with and use same baseball stats. Besides keeping track of everything they have those obsolete stats there because sports especially baseball has old fans who still like them. Young fans too. If you aren’t hungry for knowledge you will just use what daddy uses.
I create my own formulas. I’m in the fraction of a percent minority. Bright eyes with his very elementary basic understanding is in the minority. But it’s growing every year. Mainly because of people expiring. Just about every baseball fan has heard of money ball Fangraphs statcast so if they still value wins losses they aren’t ever going to change. Most people hate change. Same haircut. Same beer. Same coffee. Same sandwich toppings. Same wife. Same love making. Same cola.
You must have a good ouija board.
I think that you are a philosopher at heart.
Actually quality starts are a relatively new statistic but simple enough for us oldsters to understand.I also think that they are useful even though they have not been around since the Stone Age.
Oldsters like simple things.
I am losing my hair so your haircut point “doesn’t cut it with me”!😊😊😊
And I don’t drink beer and have never had a wife and at this point would not want one who would have me.
Asbestos was fine but like hornets it does not bother anybody unless disturbed.
Lead paint was good. Helped eliminate stupid kids who would become stupid adults.
You do have a wife. You are married to pitcher wins losses! Even most the die hard era lovers don’t think pitching wins matter. It’s cool though. I am not going to try to change your mind. I can’t if I wanted to. And I prefer people using obsolete stats data. The day everyone sees baseball the way I do is the day I stop commenting and find a different hobby. Heck even if the teams catch up. I enjoy saying things like not a single team was interested in this player.
Your boy Tim Hill is still pitching well for the Yankees so that is one that you hit on.
Been hot last few years. I don’t have time to analyze every dfa. But it’s usually child’s play stuff. Takes me 30 seconds to 2 minutes. If I can’t find it by then which doesn’t happen to often then I have to go watch film if I’m interested enough. But usually a minute. Like giddy up 409. Hill even easier than that. Priester just needed to stop throwing his 4 seam. Hill there was nothing wrong with him. He was even better as a white sox with that 6 something era. He was just powerball unlucky. Moreta was just as good as a red as a pirate. Reds just didn’t realize it. Who knows coming back from TJ. Pirates are good at seeing it. Anderson Quintana Perez Falter Lawrence.
Pirates are good with pitching projections as well.
A lot to like about Cherington as well. I think the Pirates need someone better. But odds are against them doing so. I’d give him one more year because it’s not going to be easy to find someone better. It’s a awful time to fire him. 3 top 10 prospects in all of baseball. Best hitter best pitcher 2nd best pitcher. Best prospect in baseball. #2 if not #1 farm system in baseball. Development took a drastic step forward. You want to fire this guy? Yes I haven’t seen a single pirates fan say bring him back. I would though. If you asked me in February I wouldn’t have. I would have fired him in October. But he had a heck of a year.
Fans wills only look at MLB team. That’s because he didn’t fire Shelton. The 2020 2021 2022 draft classes were weak. Not the Pirates picks just in General. I wouldn’t take Gonzales Davis TJ over KG or SH. They aren’t even close in talent. And Bubba was the prize of 2021 and he just now arrived. And Payroll. Look what NH left him. It was going to take time.
New gm will look great though. Cherington left them Skenes elite farm system with good scouts and dare I say good player development. New gm will keep a lot of Cheringtons people.
Cherington didn’t get it done fast. But looks like he got it done. He’s not perfect. Not firing Shelton is why I would have fired Cherington. That was his worst move. And team even in a hopeless situation all year looks better with DK.
I have always said that Ben needed a sage baseball person over him as he had no help in Pittsburgh.
I did check on the Pirates system rating though and it did substantially improve from #14 but one had it at #3 and the other one that I saw at #9.
The improvement was largely from the first round pitcher picked.
His biggest flaw as we all know is basically the most important one for a GM in recognizing hitting talent and developing it which pretty much every organization has exceeded the Pirates and thus doomed them to losing seasons.
Baseball America has them #2 and I agree. Could even see #1.
The Pirates have KG. That’s all that matters. If another team offered you 20 prospects their guys ranked 11 through 30 ranked prospects would you make that trade? I don’t. Don’t think any baseball person would.
These sites are slow and behind and don’t think things out. But they usually eventually catch up. Their early 2026 rankings should all have pirates in top 5.
Pirates system is deep and quality elsewhere. But you take any team in baseball even the 29th 30th ranked farm system and add to it KG BC SH it’s instantly top 5. These players ceilings are hall of fame mvp cy young all stars.
Maybe probably best pirates farm system ever. Like having a Barry Bonds and 2 Gerrit Cole in your system. Won’t go as far as saying Skenes. Although this 2 kids are special. Could should be better than Keller. Skenes Cole though? They’re the 2 best pitching prospects in baseball. These sites have Hernandez much lower than I do but I wouldn’t trade him for any other pitcher other than Bubba and only because Bubba is further along more proven. Hernandez is Bubba 2.0 Hernandez is just a younger Bubba. Hernandez higher ceiling than Bubba. Cherington got him at #6. KG at #9. Why it’s probably best to keep Cherington. You could do a lot worst. Hernandez is best prep pitcher I ever seen. Only been into prospects and draft for not even 10 years yet but still that’s impressive.
How do you know that I meant you?
Chandler is finally getting promoted? Monica is going to be so excited.
Am I reading this wrong question so when he was dominating, they wouldn’t call him up… But now that he’s struggling, they said, “now is the time!” ????
Gonzalez is third in the national league in hits for the month of August. I can agree that Davis is underperforming but not Gonzalez
Is it not time to waive bye to Sukinski? No value here
Not time. No one to replace him. Well you could give some random waiver claim his spot but going to be weaker player.
weaker hitter than batting
.133?
It’s nice that he is finally being promoted, but terrible that it’s as a reliever
He’s just there to get innings and experience. He might start some. Doesn’t really matter.
lol what’s the point of this move? Intentionally take away any confidence the kid has remaining after getting rocked all summer?
“it’s also possible that the challenge of a new level could help invigorate Chandler upon his arrival to the majors”
lol yeah it’s “possible” alright. However, “unlikely” may have been the better choice of wording.
I hope the kid does great and comes out firing on all cylinders but they aren’t really putting him in a position to succeed. He is really talented.
Calling up young talent and letting them do swingman work used to be the way for every team. Nolan Ryan and Max Scherzer are just a couple of guys put in the same situation. Seems like they turned out just fine.
Using Chandler out of the bullpen allows the team to ease him into the majors by picking appropriate spots to use him. The team builds a 5-0 lead using an opener; Bubba comes in without a ton of pressure, he can be aggressive in the zone. If it’s a close game, you wait to plug him in when the other team has weaker hitters or favorable matchups coming up. You have none of those options when you start him. He faces the best hitters the opponent has to offer in the first inning.
No no do not agree with what the pirates are doing to this kid out of home-team blindness. It’s not the right move
It’s definitely the right move. The only thing wrong about it is that it’s several months overdue.
Right, which makes it the wrong move.
It should have happened late enough so that he could not get the RoY but soon enough for him to match the innings limit for RoY.
The timing would have been fair enough for him to spend half the year in the minor leagues which he unlike Skenes needed and half the year in the ML’s..
Only the Pirates would be dumb enough to use him as bulk reliever versus trying to promote the team and sell tickets for Friday game.
They don’t need to sell tickets for Friday. It’s the team’s Hall of Fame induction and a fireworks night. They were already going to have a big crowd.
22k, and we all know that’s about 15k actual fans in the seats. Nobody cares about some fossil who hit a home run 104 years ago for some Pirates HoF junk that didnt exist 4yrs ago
Both Vernon Law and Al Oliver were given standing ovations when their names were announced
And the best player out of the three was easily Kiki Cuyler.
That’s only because the Waner brothers couldn’t make it in from the great beyond
Bad move imo. serves no real purpose for the team right now. If he gets rocked like he has been in the AAA the past little while could really hurt his confidence. hes obviously really talented and the challenge might be welcomed.
I’m not sure I would say Nick or Spencer are under performing. both around league average at the plate this year which is about what was expected.
Davis despite his god awful bat has still been generally positive on the whole. He gets anywhere near league average with his offense it would be a huge boost for the team.
Nicky G and Horowitz have been fine, their “lack” of production is miscasting them as guys who are going to carry a lineup. If they had a few consistent power bats, they would be perfect guys to fuel run production.
Davis needs to stop thinking so much in the box. He’s not going to adjust mid-swing to connect with a slider when he was guessing fastball. The best way for a hitter like him to approach an AB is to look for location and focus on taking it up the middle. The pitch type will determine which way the ball goes.
In general, I feel like all of these guys need to be reminded that when they were the best player around (as kids), they weren’t focused on analytics, they just tried to make contact. Yogi was right, you can’t hit and think at the same time.
I agree.Gonzalez and Horowitz are both solid players and fielders and hustle and know the fundamentals.
Neither are stars and probably never will be but are solid players on a good team.
If the rest of the Pirates’ position players were as good they would have a winning team.
Davis’ swing seems a little too mechanical to me and probably always was that way.He may be at the point where it will be hard to change his swing.
His future may be as a solid back up catcher but nothing more.
As far as the last part of the article at least McLean is starting and not called up as a bulk reliever.
To quote a baseball movie but it applies here; “Rachel Phelps will never let that happen…”
Bubba should have been promoted in June-July time frame when he was pitching well.
This would have done four things-
1 rewarded him for fine performance
2 probably eliminated him from ROY where they would lose a year of control
3 saved his pitches for the ML’s as they eventually wear out the arm
4 rode the wave of him thinking that he was one of the best pitchers in the minor leagues
It could have coexisted with a trade of Heaney when Heaney had a fine record.
If Bubba would crash as a starter then he could have been sent to the bullpen.
If he was really bad he could have optioned back to AAA.
This would have taken out of the box thinking ahead which is something that the Pirates do not do well.
There’s no losing a year if he wins ROY. The year they would lose is this year.
If he doesn’t leave the roster they get him for 2026 through 2031 whether or not he wins ROY. Only difference if they called him up in June or July they can’t get a draft pick. Call him up August 15th they will get draft pick if he wins ROY or CY young the next 3 years top 3. So by waiting a month and a half they can get a late 1st round pick basically. There’s no losing a year. You should root for him to win ROY.
The losing a year comes into play if you would have called him up in April May and he won ROY. By July there isn’t enough time left to win it.
I understand what you seem to be saying now that this year would be traded for the end year but this year would only be a partial year in essence to eliminate the possibility of losing the end year like happened with Skenes.
A previous post listed my several reasons for bringing him up earlier.
From his interview last night it is clear to me that he was severely bummed out that they did not bring him up but Cherington evidently in his ultimate wisdom wants everyone to experience problems in AAA so that they can grow from them.
And Nutting evidently could have picked the guy running the Brewers now for General Manager.
I wonder if that guy wants everyone to have problems in AAA.
Skenes won ROY. Bubba isn’t. He’s not losing a year.
Good points, Mendoza.
Thank you Hank.
I met him once at Penn State and I have always thought that his wrists were his trademark but his hands were huge too.
He was a nice man.I told him that we had a pretty good right fielder in Pittsburgh too and he laughed and said yes you did.
Why would they do that? Just wait until next season.
Checking back on those Griffin struggles 3 hits today. They’re probably gonna demote him
0 for 4 3 strike outs few days ago.
They should send him back to A ball.He is not ready for AA.
Just ket through just pitch. In the past some guys struggled f I r a bit in 3A. Then when called,they found their grove
I guess I’m right about chandler. 4 shutout innings and s 4 innings save.like I said change of scenery does young players good.
Could be. It’s only 4 innings vs one of the worst ran teams in baseball who doesn’t give a it. Let him play a few teams who know what they are doing and need to win games to get in playoffs.
There wasn’t anything wrong with Bubba to begin with. Just some people who don’t know much about baseball, never watch minor leagues, think era means something, and likes to complain. If you ever watched him pitch this performance shouldn’t come as any surprise.
Maybe they are the worst team. BUT THEY S
ARE MAJOR LEAGUE HITTERS.
Worst ran team
Your first paragraph is totally correct.Let’s see what happens next.
Even if he does not pitch well though it is the ML’s and not AAA.Let him learn from his mistakes up here rather than wasting time in AAA.
If you watched his interview last night he basically admitted that he was bummed out that he was not called up.
I don’t blame him.
He clearly admitted that he did not pitch as well afterwards.
If he is a quick learner he will be ready for next year.
ERA another meaningless stat for starters?
If so,what are the meaningful stats for starters,if any?
Sierra xfip fip xera stuff stuff+ era+. I don’t use any of those but all superior to era. Era is a past result. A small sample size. You want to find out what will happen moving forward with a large enough sample. I said tim hill was having a amazing season and all 29 teams should trade for him or claim him when he had a 6 or 7 era so you know I think era is worthless.
Era is not very representative for relievers unless they are long relievers over a relatively long period of time.
I am not sure that even Einstein could figure all of them out.
Era isn’t good for anything. Can give you a idea but then you miss out on a lot of good pitchers. Other ones are pretty simple. Just a formula.
The historic accepted stats do have competitors now but they all show in simple terms what the player has done and as such is most often a good historic reference.
They are not the sole prognosticators that they were once but each is still an important fact in predicting future results.
Skenes league low ERA will probably win him the cy young.
Yeah era is fine looking at players career if old enough. Okish for a starters 180 inning season.
As it should. Baseball writers don’t know much. And it’s not like it’s a fake era.
Yes, you’re right. And the prospect haters are wrong, once again.
Now that’s a great baseball name.
4 scoreless!
Announced his presence with authority!
Good way to shut up the idiots in the comments who think he should still be in AAA.
These guys want to make the MLs since they were little kids.
It has to be thrilling for them to do it.
And a real letdown when they think that they deserve it but do not get the call.
The Pirates have been generally good about promoting them when their time has come.
I really think that Bubba could have helped earlier but they were lucky that they had the perfect situation for him to debut.
Hopefully it continues.
Good for him.Now he may be good enough for the Pirates to make the same serious mistake twice in three years.
Only the Pirates could do that.
With Bubba earlier they are a playoff team.
Hahahahaha. Yeah. Ok
Bubba needed time in AAA and Heaney and Falter pitched very well earlier in the season.
Even Skenes needed a little time in AAA.
They would have had a better record with Bubba but even the original Mendoza would have helped this team with his hitting.
Unless maybe Bubba became the two way player that he originally wanted to be!
It’s understandable to have him coming out of the pen. Guy was good, but couldn’t go past the 4th inning or 3rd time through a lineup. It’s great that he has a taste of the majors, but I wouldn’t be too hyped about him just yet. He is projected to be a starter and he needs to pitch another inning or two regularly before that becomes a possibility. He needs to learn how to keep people off balance by mixing his pitches and adapting to pitches that are and are not working each start. It would be useful if he can control 4+ pitches instead of the 3 pitches. If he can’t control his pitches anyways, his moment will be short lived. His control went out of whack end of May to July. He had like 6 starts in that time and couldn’t hit the strike zone as often as one should at the AAA level.
Either way, congrats to Bubba for his save tonight and solid showcase. I hope he figures it out and puts it together so that all this hype isn’t for nothing. He made solid strides through the minors until this year. I hope it is not the Steve Blass disease going forward
Well, if you can’t get hyped about Chandler then I don’t know what you’re gonna get hyped about.
@hammer I am interested in the kid, but I worry about his control issues. If you just want to be excited about a guy throwing 100 mph but can’t hit the strike zone, more power to you.
Steve Blass disease!! Blass was one of the top pitchers in baseball for a good 5 years. Then he went south. But to make your comparison is ludicrous. Also blasd was in his 30s.
@baseball Trade wouldn’t it be something if Bubba has the same issue in his 20s? Anyone who paid attention to Bubba for nearly a month and half, should be worried about him. His control was gone and struggled to hit the strike zone. People need to take off their visors and see past just his hype and name.
He looked fine last night. I think you are just overreacting to reports you hear and posts you read. You sound like an alarmist. There must be an alarm in your head that sets you off.
@Baseball trade and if he underperforms next year and has control issues, I would like to have you retract on that statement. As of now, I have every right to be hesitant on Bubba. He has flaws that could become batting practice in the majors. He is averaging 4 innings a start. That doesn’t give me any vibes he is an ace or top of the rotation arm that surrounds him. Starters should at least go 5 innings or more. You want a successful club, your starters need to go as deep as possible to avoid burning out the pen by seasons end. 4 innings from Bubba and 5 innings for the pen, is very concerning considering our bullpen has been below the league average the last 4 years
Fan-I think that one of the reasons that he went only four innings was to save his pitch count as the Pirates are conservative in that regard for good reason.
He seemed to be consistent in that regard both when he pitched well and when he didn’t.
He will have rough patches as all rookies do but at least he will not be facing AAA hitters.
They can always return him back if he does poorly.
The comparison IS ludicrous.
Compare him to Glasnow
It’s more appropriate
I don’t know that I would say that Blass was a top 5 or even a top 10 at that time but you’re right. He went off the cliff
It was not just a case of being a bit off, he was wildly off. I was behind the plate at Three Rivers when he threw a pitch almost to the top of the backstop.
In a modern comparison, think Rick Ankiel. Shame that the mind messed with careers
Trade-Cy Young in 1972 if not for Steve Carlton.
That is evidently when wins and losses were a meaningful stat.
And Blass won the seventh game in 1971 against the Orioles.
They still did not figure out what happened to him.
That was a shame.
Fan-One of my original points though is at least the Pirates can now get a feel for whether this guy can become a good ML pitcher.
A cup of coffee at the end of this year would not have given them a hint.
If they get rid of Cherington and bring in someone good maybe they can get one or two good position players to positively augment the team.
That is where a Cruz trade would really be helpful,and a team may still want Keller even since they only get a good pitcher for 2/3 of the year.
You guys paying attention to Triolo. I know you love micro sample sizes so check out his August.
Last 30 days even better.290 .389
Good pickup.
I think that I read somewhere that he had made a change to where he was standing in the batters box to make it more consistent with previous years.
He is also playing regularly.
The move to AAA may have helped him too.
I always said that the worst that you would get is a much cheaper version of KeBryan Hayes.
Reynolds hot of late as well.
He sure didn’t get rocked today, and this was the majors, ya know.
It’s great Bubba’s here. Maybe Jones will make it back next year. Skenes. Keller. Oviedo
With the hitters they have now and the patchwork they’ll get this winter, that should be good for 72 wins
Old- They will be shooting for 81 but you won’t have Ben Cherington to kick around anymore!
I’m gonna make you a bet, my friend.
The front office returns as is next season and all they bring in this offseason is patchwork.
You always look at the glass as half empty!
Generally with good reason though.
Cherington is good at many things but the record does show the overall picture of his skill set.
Even Nutting has to be tired of all of this losing.
Yep. You’re right. But the trades we saw at deadline spoke loudly to me where this franchise is headed, and it ain’t good
Nice to have Hurdle back in town this weekend, wasn’t it?
I just gave Nutting my endorsement to bring Cherington back. Currently pirates are one of the better scouting teams and are good at player development. With 3 top 10 prospects in all of baseball including the #1 and the 2 best pitchers. Best or 2nd best farm system. Development took a huge not just step but leap forward this year. Cherington earned another year. Or at least keep his people but if he goes somewhere else he might take them. If anyone wants him. Bad teams will be hiring and bad teams draft high. These idiots passed on KG SH so pretty freaking dumb.
I fired him in October for refusing to fire Shelton. But you let him stick around and he had a fantastic year. I feel like he is under contract for 2026 so lets save Bob some $ and not pay 2 gms.
Why do you say that development took a leap this year?
Cherington has had six years to correct that disaster.
KG and few international hitters took huge leaps forward. They changed improved fixed KG swing before he played a single game. Same concern I had they seen and fixed it right away.
Pirates haven’t developed a international signing since Marte.
Edward Florentino take a look at this kids stats.
Esmerlyn Valdez is improving each year.
Darrell Morel was a great signing.
Pirates international has been a black hole since Polanco. Now it is producing interesting players.
Axiel Plaz
Tony Blanco
These are both international doing very well. Borderline top 30 prospects.
This is the best farm system the pirates ever had. And fans want to fire the guy who built it. Good news is it’s already built. I will have to remind fans the next 10 years that Cherington is why the Pirates are winning. Winning with Cheringtons players.
The MLB team is irrelevant. Huntington left the fridge empty. Cherington had to fill it. Pittsburgh can’t win buying free agents. Even if they could there was non available. They would have just thrown away 30 40 million. Santana Goldschmidt weren’t coming here anyways and aren’t better than Horwitz really. Conforto Santander vomit. Pham better.
You chastised me only two weeks ago when I said that he had done a reasonably good job drafting and you said did I want a statue erected for him.You basically said that the last 3 or 4 drafts were no brainers for top draft picks.
You know about these lesser young players much better than many of the rest of us because that is your specialty.
I saw #’s 3 and 9 for the systems as I said before.
He has had a bad development system for the last six years and that is on him not Huntington.Pretty much everyone has agreed with that statement including you.
The proof is in the pudding as many of us call your prospects suspects because we know how the Pirates have operated almost full time over the last 33 years.
And Cherington has had six of those years with no change.
I felt bad for Hurdle as he was basically a good manager but I think that his physical problems dragged him down and the winning window was only three years.
I think that the players enjoyed playing for him.
The Pirates had the second best record in all of ML baseball for that three year long period.
It was like fate was against them though.
The team with the best record won their division each year.
The wild card format was no longer just one team which would have been good for them each year but it was also before the three teams that are in it now.
Both years that they lost the one wild card game they faced the best starting pitcher in baseball in Baumgartner and Arrieta.
I am glad that Clint found a job back where his managing career started.He was worn out in 2019 and I think that it was evident to everyone that he needed a change.
Cherington should have kept Bednar because he did not get enough back.The Hayes trade was a great one.The Ferguson trade was good.He had no reason to trade Falter and should have kept him.
Manager isn’t useless but pretty close. Shelton was worst I ever seen and he still won as many games as he should have with the players he had. Worst manager I ever seen and was above 500 buying at trade deadline a year ago.
Unless manager losses team like Shelton did. Really doesn’t matter. Analytics department makes the lineup and determines bullpen usage.
I over reacted on Falter trade. He is just a 5th starter. Can’t go enough innings. But throws with left arm. He wasn’t worth much. Pirates have better options. Nothing to cry over.
I would love to know what higher ranked prospects he turned down. But maybe trust the man who built the best or 3rd best farm system in baseball.
But it’s hard to. Giddy up giddy up 409 was a huge miss. Then to trade him for Boston’s garbage Yorke. Didn’t like Cook trade either but that pitcher had to get tj so undetermined.
Trades are crap shoots.
He thought that Yorke coming from Boston as a number one draft choice was being held back and he needed position players.
Priester was deemed excess stock and as you have said had not been developed by the Pirates.I did not think that they gave him enough time.I also think that he added pitching depth which is always necessary to have.
But we cannot criticize Cherington for making that trade because he needed position players and Priester was only now developed by Milwaukee and not the Red Sox.
I see Falter as depth and if absolutely necessary I think that he could have been optioned.His era after May was 4.50 which is not good but acceptable for a number 5.Cherington likes those A players who the Pirates will never develop under his leadership.
Pittsburgh is close to West Virginia,so it figures they’d promote a good ol’ boy called “Bubba.” ( I believe the Rays once had Bubba Trammell,so they should try to get him,along with Taylor Trammell [prounounced “TramMELL,” rather than “TRAMmell,”] ala Detroit Tigers former manager [2003-05} and Hall Of Fame shortstop Alan Trammell.)
I wonder if Bubba Smith was a good ol’ boy.