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Phillies Claim Engelb Vielma, Designate Mark Appel & Alberto Tirado

By Jeff Todd | November 20, 2017 at 5:04pm CDT

The Phillies have claimed infielder Engelb Vielma off waivers from the Giants, per a team announcement. Philadelphia also designated righties Mark Appel and Alberto Tirado for assignment while outrighting lefty Elniery Garcia.

To round out a busy day of 40-man moves, the Phillies also added righties Seranthony Dominguez, Franklyn Kilome, and Jose Taveras, as well as lefty Ranger Suarez, to their MLB roster.

Vielma is seen as a gifted defender. But his switch-hitting bat has yet to develop. Still just 23, Vielma ended up with San Francisco through a late-season waiver claim from the Twins. He had earned his first promotion to Triple-A earlier in the year, but slashed just .206/.233/.260 in his 314 trips to the plate at the highest level of the minors..

Appel, 26, was the first overall draft pick in 2013. He landed in Philadelphia along with righty Vince Velasquez and others in the swap that sent reliever Ken Giles to the Astros. At the time of the swap, he was seen as something of a change-of-scenery candidate. But he never really found his footing with the Phils while dealing with arm problems. In 2017, he pitched to a 5.27 ERA with 6.6 K/9 and 5.8 BB/9 over 82 Triple-A frames.

The 22-year-old Tirado was also once considered a significant prospect, but hasn’t shown enough to hang onto a MLB roster spot. He pitched to a 3.69 ERA with 8.2 K/9 and 5.4 BB/9 in 63 1/3 High-A innings last year. Despite those marginal numbers, Tirado earned his first shot at Double-A, but coughed up 19 walks against just eight strikeouts in a dozen frames.

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66 Comments

  1. a1544

    8 years ago

    Bust

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  2. Brixton

    8 years ago

    Seeing Garcia go is somewhat surprising

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    • Coast1

      8 years ago

      MLB Trade Rumors is the only one reporting that. Matt Gelb, Todd Zolecki, and Jim Salisbury aren’t. They didn’t add a player for that spot and there are 5-10 other players the Phillies are likely to get rid of instead of Garcia.

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      • SundownDevil

        8 years ago

        Could be a rumor as many posts on here aren’t confirmed with legitimate sources.

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      • Brixton

        8 years ago

        Zolecki tweeted it

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  3. eilexx

    8 years ago

    Why? It might be a different front office, but this team still seems to love the Michael Martinez-clones.

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  4. ba2929

    8 years ago

    Mark Appel might be the biggest #1 overall pick bust in baseball history. Especially since Kris Bryant was taken 2nd.

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    • realgone2

      8 years ago

      Brien Taylor?

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      • thetruth 2

        8 years ago

        He got injured though.

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        • ExileInLA 2

          8 years ago

          So did Appel, while w Philly.

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    • realgone2

      8 years ago

      although in 1991 there was no one worth a s**t until Manny at #13

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      • card collector18

        8 years ago

        Y’all remember Ryan Harvey

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        • realgone2

          8 years ago

          I had to look him up. Don’t remember him at all

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        • JKB 2

          8 years ago

          Yes I recall Harvey so what. He was not rated anywhere near Bryant or Appel and he was also a high school kid. What your point?

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      • Chris Sale Amateur Tailor

        8 years ago

        Dimitri Young. 2x all-star and 12.2 career bWAR over an injury riddled career.
        Not a great career but was worth something.

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        • realgone2

          8 years ago

          true

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      • gorav114

        8 years ago

        Wrong year. Bryant was the obvious #1 pick and Houston muffed it.

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    • bbatardo

      8 years ago

      I would point out the Padres drafting Matt Bush, but guess after his jail stint he did actually make it to the MLB.

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    • hiflew

      8 years ago

      I gotta go with Steve Chilcott as the worst. Danny Goodwin might be the worst even though he made the big leagues just because he was #1 twice.

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    • thomasg

      8 years ago

      Amen

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    • outinleftfield

      8 years ago

      Matt Bush?

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  5. Long Duc Dong

    8 years ago

    Complete bust Phillies wish they could take that one back. But good for Houston.

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    • Brixton

      8 years ago

      He was the 4th most meaningful piece in that deal, meh

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      • Long Duc Dong

        8 years ago

        Meh?, umm, duh?

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      • Coast1

        8 years ago

        At the time he was regarded as the 2nd most meaningful. To be 4th, he’d have to be more meaningful than Harold Arauz and the Phillies have used him in a way to say they didn’t consider him a prospect.

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        • Brixton

          8 years ago

          They wanted VV and Eshelman, and Oberholtzer was supposed to take an MLB roster spot, but VV had an amazing ST.

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        • Coast1

          8 years ago

          Oberholtzer was out of options and the Astros knew he wouldn’t make their roster. So they gave him to the Phillies. Where he performed as expected. Eschelman was always an intriguing prospect but he doesn’t throw hard. His low walk rate was impressive, but he was nowhere nearly as highly thought of as Appel.

          At the time of the trade Pipeline and Baseball Prospectus had Appel as the 70th and 64th best prospect. Eschelman wasn’t on that list. Appel was ranked in the top 10 by Pipeline and Prospectus. Baseball America did their list before the trade.

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        • Brixton

          8 years ago

          Appel only still had prospect stature because he was a #1 pick. See where Moniak is ranked next year after a flop of a season

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        • Coast1

          8 years ago

          While your opinion of Appel may have been low at the time and clearly is now, the collective opinion around the league was that he was a top prospect. His failure in this deal is a significant setback.

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      • Jbigz12

        8 years ago

        You just contradicted yourself big time later in the post. You claimed he was the 4th most meaningful piece then proceeded to say they sent another prospect so they could get Appel over Fisher. How does that make any sense? It doesn’t.

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    • thomasg

      8 years ago

      I’d take a bucket of seeds to send Homer Giles back.

      Reply
  6. bballblk

    8 years ago

    Meanwhile, Kris Bryant has won ROY and MVP

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  7. chri

    8 years ago

    Imagine the Astros lineup now if they took Bryant #1 overall back in 2013

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    • gorav114

      8 years ago

      But then maybe they can’t get Giles!

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      • Chris Sale Amateur Tailor

        8 years ago

        they had a deal without Apell for Giles but it involved Derek Fisher

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      • bastros88

        8 years ago

        I don’t want to think about a life without Ken Giles in it

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      • thomasg

        8 years ago

        Giles is a bust

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        • Coast1

          8 years ago

          He was one of the dominant relievers in the regular season. He just couldn’t get people out in the post-season.

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  8. Johhos

    8 years ago

    Ummm.. Why add an infielder, and a light hitting one at that ???

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    • Long Duc Dong

      8 years ago

      Defense

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      • SundownDevil

        8 years ago

        Pitching, defense, and sabermetrics win games!

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    • Coast1

      8 years ago

      He was available and they must like him. He could be the next one waived if they find someone they like better. Or they plan to trade a middle infielder or two.

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      • Johhos

        8 years ago

        Logjam in the middle for the Phillies already… But if Kinsler gets moved, maybe that opens up the trade floodgates ….

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    • Regi Green

      8 years ago

      Minor league depth. Gotta figure there could be moving parts with the teams middle infielders. And Crawford will likely be in the majors, and aa ss Malquin Canelo didn’t have that good a year at the plate in Reading.

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  9. AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

    8 years ago

    I’m sticking to my original prediction: Mark Appel never makes it to the Majors.

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    • jdb33

      8 years ago

      I believe you’ve already been proven wrong.

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      • davidcoonce74

        8 years ago

        Appel hasn’t pitched in the majors yet.

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  10. Jimcarlo Slaton

    8 years ago

    Rumors had Derek Fisher included in the Giles trade before Appel’s name came up.
    I’m assuming Houston took Fisher off the table, giving Philadelphia the option of Appel, and probably other players to choose from. He always seemed like a long shot to do anything for the Phillies.

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    • Brixton

      8 years ago

      VV had medical issues, so Philadelphia asked for Appel instead of Fisher.

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      • Jimcarlo Slaton

        8 years ago

        How foolish then, if that’s the case. I think I remember reading that the Phillies preferred Appel but thought it must be mistaken reporting.

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        • Chris Sale Amateur Tailor

          8 years ago

          actually they had to send an extra Prospect to Houston in order to get a Appel over Fisher. awful decision

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  11. petersdylan36

    8 years ago

    I would love for the Padres to pick up Appel

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    • LA Sam

      8 years ago

      He’d be your #3 starter now….

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  12. bucketbrew35

    8 years ago

    Calling it now, Apple gets converted to a bullpen arm and ends up dominating.

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    • raef715

      8 years ago

      maybe, but he struggles alot out of the stretch.

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    • JKB 2

      8 years ago

      @bucketbrew

      You are calling nothing. Everyone and their mother is thinking bullpen for Appel

      Reply
  13. stroh

    8 years ago

    Wouldn’t mind the Stros picking up Appel on the cheap. He’s just had a bunch of injuries since he was drafted. The stuff is still there. And since he is from Houston, would be a feel good story.

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    • JKB 2

      8 years ago

      Why would Appel want to go to Houston. So he lives there so what. That is worse! You think he wants to go home and relive all the negativity and bust talk? No chance. If he is granted release he only goes home if no one else calls

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      • Coast1

        8 years ago

        Yeah. Why go back to the same pitching instructors that couldn’t get him to the majors in the first place.?

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  14. LA Sam

    8 years ago

    Gotta be Brien Taylor as of this moment, only ever reached AA and his injury was not baseball related. That yr in AA had 102 base on balls, Yanks FO asked em to attend their winter instructional camp to iron out some kinks…..he declined, preferred gettin head start on his fledgling middleweight bar fightin career…..Bullington’s 1-9 MLB record exceeds em, and Appel can still aspire to those modest goals….

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    • JKB 2

      8 years ago

      Brien Taylor suffered a major injury. To say it was not “baseball related” means what? Explain your point. He got injured but it was not while playing so it does not count? Thats a joke

      Reply
  15. jdb33

    8 years ago

    Thanks, Houston!

    Sincerely, every Cubs fan ever.

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    • JKB 2

      8 years ago

      @jdb33

      Cubs missed on some picks too. Everyone does. No sense trying to rub it in. By the way I heard the Astros won the world series anyway

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  16. bucsfan

    8 years ago

    Pirates have 2 open 40 man spots. Why not give Searage a chance to fix Appel? If he performed at half his potential he could be a useful piece. That plus the satisfaction of Appel pitching for the team that originally drafted him and was spurned by him, and having full control for years.

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    • mlb1225

      8 years ago

      It’d be worth a shot. Try him as the long relief guy out of the pen.

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  17. CardsNation5

    8 years ago

    Apple is a bust

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