The Red Sox are “showing continued trade interest” in star Orioles infielder Manny Machado, per MLB Network’s Jon Morosi (via Twitter). That said, it’s unclear just how strong a connection there may be between the division rivals. While not specifically referencing Morosi’s report, Rob Bradford of WEEI.com tweets that interest from Boston has been “overstated.” Overall, it’s hard to assess the current state of the Machado market; while a variety of organizations are no doubt still intrigued at the idea of a deal, there’s no real indication that there have been changes in the offers or the asking price.
Here’s more from the American League:
- While the Indians have pushed their payroll upwards in recent years, Ryan Lewis of the Akron Beacon-Journal writes that the period of growth seems to be at an end. Despite attempting to re-sign Carlos Santana, it seems unlikely the organization will pursue any further major free agents after landing Yonder Alonso on a fairly modest two-year deal. Cleveland’s front office is obviously still looking to improve in the near-term, but sustainability is a key consideration as well.
- Regardless of what happens with Machado, the Orioles are still in need of a lefty bat, Roch Kubatko of MASNsports.com writes. He explains that it still seems more likely the missing southpaw stick will arrive in the form of a corner outfielder. While the organization has engaged in “internal discussions” regarding Jon Jay, says Kubatko, it does not seem there’s real interest there. At this point, though, it does not seem as if there’s any real indication at all which way the O’s may go.
If orioles will trade with Boston, why not trade with yanks and get better prospects???
Angelos specifically dislikes the Yankees (even more than the rest of us :) )
When you mix emotion with business you are set up for failure
It seems like the Orioles don’t mind committing to long-term failure. It seems pretty ingrained in their culture. They always take their ball and go home then get left out in the future and wonder why they are sitting on the sidelines drowning in their own mediocrity.
When is the last time that cards cubs, dodgers and giants or Boston and New York came together to trade one of their best players? Don’t blame orioles at all if they don’t trade machado to Yankees.
You’re absolutely 100% right.
When is the last time those teams passed on a better deal to avoid dealing with each other? also, your logic is flawed, since you limit it to best player. when is the last time those teams were looking to deal a player of this value?
Yankees traded Chapman to the Cubs which allowed them to win a World Series 2 years ago.
Exactly
cubs and Yankees aren’t rivals
And Gleyber Torres, their best prospect was sent to the yankees in that deal.
Lol. You didn’t understand the comment. These teams are not rivals much less hated ones.
Exactly. I know it’s hypothetical, but imagine cubs deciding to trade rizzo and cards bring interested. Could you imagine what it would take to get him as opposed to most other teams? Or if Cards would have decided to trade pujols before he left in 2011? Think cubs could’ve acquired him from cards? Fans are the customer and it’s hard enough to deal with losing the star of the team but imagine if pujols was on cubs 2016 WS Team? Imagine him getting big hit in 2015 when cubs knocked cards out of playoffs. That would’ve caused a fan revolt in St. Louis. Don’t blame Angelo one bit. I don’t believe in home town discounts, but whoever trades for machado would have leg up in competition to sign him in offseason. Especially the Yankees
I know I know! Yankees/Sox – Stud ballplayer Kelley Johnson for the great Stephen Drew…
Holy mixed metaphors Batman!
He meant Cubs and Cardinals with each other, and Yankees Red Sox with each other. Not any of the teams listed with one another
100% agreed
Can I just point out that we are talking about the Orioles? They don’t have any rivals. They are just a horrendous poorly managed triple A team. We’re not talking about a Yankees–Red Sox trade, so the Cubs/Cardinals comparison is completely irrelevant. The Orioles should take the highest bid ASAP no matter who, and finally stop shooting themselves in the foot for the sake of their petty bitterness and jealousy. In case anyone in the Orioles ownership/front office reads this, the takeaway should be simple……. GROW UP
Difference is Orioles are not going to contend in 2018, the one year the Yankees would be getting by trading for Machado. As far as getting him in 2019 and beyond, Angelos can’t stop the Yankees from doing that. Trading for him now won’t make it any easier to sign him.
But which prospects have the Yanks offered?. They gave up nothing for Chapman and Stanton. Their recent history is to give up not much except for SPers. Plus Orioles looking for MLB or MLB ready SPers which the Yankees will not part with. Red Sox could send E-Rod over seeing as Wright will be returning (after likely suspension). Also, orioles may prefer to send Machado to a team unlikely to extend
him. Yankees would extend him and fans would blame Angelos for next 10 years. If he signs as a FA they can only blame Machado. Maintaining fan relations is important
and they will blame him if he doesn’t get the best deal.
No, the Yankees would not extend him. No one will.
Red Sox released Wright the day after he was arrested.
No they didn’t…
Why do you just make things up?
Lol what dude? Just stop
And Pete—angelos has such a great relationship with the orioles loyal fan base right?
This is just another dumb move brought on by unbridled emotions.
How about trading international signing bonuses for virtually nothing?
Bottom line is that under Angelos the orioles have come up empty.
The Orioles should trade him to the Yankees since that’s who he will most likely sign with, especially if they decide not to go after Harper. Might as well take some of the Yankees prospects, rather than just taking a draft pick. This is coming from a Red Sox fan by the way.
Because not everyone feels that it is their God given right to act as the Yankees minor league affiliate.
Angelos knows that would be perfect for the Yankees. I’m sure they are offering Frazier who the Yankees have no need for and wanna dump him before he loses his trade value.
E. Rodriguez, X. Bogaerts, and J. Bradley Jr. for Machado? Win for Orioles and for Sox as long as they can back door an extension. Then Sox can sign JD Martinez to play outfield and compete with Yanks.
That is absurd. Come on man. Think about all the years of control the Red Sox have over those players. Awful trade.
That’s only if they can resign Machado but you’ve got to give up something to get a young power bat like that.
Bogie has only 2 yrs of control and may have reached his ceiling, JBJ has already been dangled in trade talks, and with Wright coming back ERod is expendable. Plus the window for the Sox starting pitching is only 2 years!
You really think Machado is going to sign with Boston (or anyone else for that matter) when he will have complete control over his own destiny after the 2018 season ends? Any team that gives up anything of value for Machado (or Harper) is hanging themselves.
Actually I don’t think he’ll sign with Sox nor will Harper but a guy can dream and maybe if we trade for him our chances might get a little better
“As long as they can back door an extension” no. Machado absolutely WILL test free agency next year. Don’t like it? Don’t trade for him.
Sorry not happening…Lmfao..
Nomore championship buying in these days buddy.
They’d rather trade him to the Sox just to stick it to the Yanks after they aquired Stanton… ;)
Hope this is the case..
Yanks have bought enough titles they don’t need to buy anymore…
If there was a salary cap in baseball from day one, I would pay to know how many title’s the Yanks would’ve won?
Funny how they haven’t won really nothing since they couldn’t buy anymore titles. Hard to win when other teams have money also isn’t it??..LMFAO…Hahhahahahhaa Bawawawawawa!!!
Red Sox have plenty of very skilled guys they can give up. I have been saying Jackie B, Xander, Hanley and Groome for Machado and Davis.
Who’s the SS in 2019 if Xander is dealt?
Stephen Drew
Stephen Drew? That’s freaking hilarious
Who is the SS in 2020 since XB is a FA after 2019. Half a dozen decent if not great SS available as FA after 2018 anyways. Red Sox won championships with Lugo and Drew at SS. Dont need a star there.
Red Dox window is closing, rapidly. Machado makes them better and in a contract year he could have a monster year
This window has been squandered
Monster year and then free agent. The last place that Manny will sign on with is Boston. He may grin and bear it for a year, however the pitching staff and fans were merciless over the pedroia slide; which was way blown out of proportion AFTER Dustin let it go.
Chavis or hernandez
Chavis is a 3b that projects to move to 1b as he gets older. How is he going to play SS?
Much as like Chavis as a potential power hitter at the MLB level? He’d probaby be a terrible SS at the professional ranks and why not playing 2b after drafted because of his poor footwork.
read in more than 1 article that IF he is eventually moved back to that position and improves some even his defense would be more than likely to that of Danny Uggla and that’s not something teams can tolerate even if the 2b can hit 30HR a year.
machado.
You think John Henry will go live above that second tier of death under the payroll tax rules?
Didnt they just pay a ton for Sandoval and Hanley. Red Sox are notorious for big, bad contracts. Crawford? They just want to win no matter the price. Trust me, the Owners are making plenty money.
Machado said he’d play SS
Manny
Machado wants to play SS. That is well documented. We have Devers for 3rd.
@Casey’s Partner
If they sign Nunez this year to a 2-3 year contract, anticipating if Machado was not to extend his contract with the Sox and use him at S.S.
O’s won’t take Hanley, but swap him out with E-Rod and that could do it. The only question is how much of Davis’ contract would Boston want Baltimore to eat for something like that?
You’re crazy if you think Boston would offer anything close to that for a third base rental and an overpaid first basemen.
No one wants Bogaerts and Hanley
There are many teams that would LOVE to have Bogaerts.
The only people who still think he’s more than a below average player are Red Sox fans. Incidentally you all will do us the big favor of overpaying for him in fantasy baseball drafts as well. Thank you in advance
Yup 3 War shortstop he definitely below average you crack me up.
Not a Sox fan but Xander is a stud. Just because he’s not on the level of Lindor Correa and Seager does not mean he’s a “below average player”
Bogaerts is a below-average player? In what world are you watching baseball in?
He watches the world through Yankee goggles.
Bogaerts is excellent at Short. As someone else said, he doesn’t do it with the flash of some others, but he still gets it done very well. He passes both the metrics and eye ball test.
2 WAR is categorized by Fangraphs as a “role player.” 3 is “solid starter.” Both are at the bottom of their scale. And WAR also fails to capture his poor defense.
You are actually taking liberties with what war represents according to Fangraphs 1-2 war is a role player, 2-3 War is a solid starter, 3-4 War is a good player. Where does Xander sit he is three WAR guy and oh and by the way fielding is a component of WAR. So if you are going to quote at least be somewhat accurate.
Or just continue to make stuff up whatever makes you happy.
Hanley and Crush are a wash. Boston can tane on the majority of Davis payroll. And of course the Sawx would ask for a window to negotiate and sign him. To be honest, Bogaerts and JBJ probably already hit their ceiling.
Hey Famillia—there is ZERO chance that Manny signs with Boston now. There’s probably 10% chance that he signs before becoming a free agent.
It goes 10 to ZERO because of how they treated him last year coupled with the Red Sox (fans and press) having a reputation as a hit and miss market for free agents’ success and happiness.
Don’t begin to dispute it as the evidentiary list of failiures is long.
You’re really ignoring the reality of these contract situations, though. Davis’ contract is so much worse than Ramirez’s because it runs through 2022 instead of 2018. Also, Machado only has one year, and there’s no reason to believe that he would sign any sort of extension, negotiation window or not. Even if Bradley and Bogaerts are what they are, they’re useful players, so while this does arguably help Boston in 2018, it absolutely cripples them for 2019 and beyond
Aff10….i can see your point, but i still think I take a shot. They are still pursuing Hosmer and JD gor max dollars. That is going to cripple them. You gotta do it becuase Red Sox dont just need useful guys, considering the Yanks look set for the next 5-7 years. Need a game changer, Manny or Bryce have to be landed. X and JBJ arent enough. Give mookie help, Beenj is also a stud.
No one’s going to trade a big hall of top notch prospects or youngsters for a one year rental, no matter how good the player is. Xander has like 3 years left on him, Groome is pretty much out of the question after the great Red Sox farm system purge, and Baltimore already has one massive failure of a contract at 1B. Boston won’t take on Davis’s contract, Baltimore won’t take on Hanley’s. A trade like JBJ, and something like Shawaryn and another solid prospect makes sense since Machado is a rental and they need a left handed OFer, who also happens to be one of the best defenders in baseball.
Why wouldnt Boston take Davis? They are trying to add Hosmer for a lot of money. They need power, and Davis has that. Xander is a bit overrated to me. As a Sawx fan, I marbled at his ability to hit the ball where is pitched at times. But then, he will go cold fir a month and a half to the point where he hurts the team. And he isnt the slickest defender. I’d love an opportunity to sign one of the best defenders in the game ass long as we can sign him. Red Sox must ask for that. Benni,Mookie,Manny,Crush, Devers,Peddy,Moreland, vasquez. I live the lineup.
They sent trying to add Hosmer at all they already signed Mitch Moreland they don’t need a first baseman. That Davis contract is an albatross and no one wants to take that on. The Red Sox are just fine they will try to add JDM at a reasonable if not so be it. DD isn’t trading Xander plus for one year of Manny Machado not going to happen. DD was just trying to due his due diligence found out Baltimore wanted an arm and leg and just said no. The Red Sox will field a very good team interesting to see how there new manager and hitting coach work with the offense should be an interesting year.
Because Davis has an albatross contract. That’s why they won’t take him.
It will become interesting when Trader Dave, in desperation trades X man to the Tigers for their 1B.
As usual the clown speaks nonsense go troll somewhere else or please finally bring something useful to the table.
Oh wow such a hard body check mr Bruin. I’m sure it hurts that since the guy was given the keys to the castle that he has emptied the tank in the farm system just as the Yankees reloaded. And once big Papi retired there’s no fear factor with this punchless lineup?
Or is it the embarrassment of the Apple Watch fiasco?
Get with the program bud. Your Sox are downtrending and Trader Dave is not a franchise builder for youth.
You have to understand who you are dealing with here. DD has no pause button. He drained the Tigers sustem and traded and signed big names. He has already done it to the sawx. You wont change that tigers stripes. He will go after big names for big money, and he will drain the system even more. DD is not exersisng patience while the Yanks keep getting big names.
Seriously your comments are so stupid it’s just amazing.
You talk out your ass like an idiot all the time it’s kind of funny how angry you seem to be. What’s wrong did you not get enough attention when you were a baby? All you do is attack either the Mets or the Red Sox. You are funny keep the being the clown you are I’m sure we will see your idiotic comments again down the road.
Don’t teams regularly do just that (give up lots of prospects for rentals) every single trade deadline?
Swap E-Rod for Jackie B which is what I have been proposing. Yeah, obviously the Orioles need to throw in cash and maybe another player
I dont mind that either. But that would just be too weird for Baltimore to take Erod back.
That is a dumb trade offer.
Great post,
Red Sox won’t trade for him. Machado won’t resign there. Machado will be a Yankee in 2019 and every team in baseball knows that which is why no one is going to give Baltimore exceptional pieces.
Step aside everyone. Gift wrap a title for the almighty Bombers. Lol!
JimEd14…. glad you found your comment funny…. it makes literally no sense
I get it
Obviously your slow. Want me to break it down for you?
If Dombrowski even considered making that deal for more than 1 second he would be fired, and laughed at by his peers! There is NOT A SINGLE player, living or dead, that is worth taking on Davis’ contract for only 1 season!
No doubt! Chris Davis signed one of the most baffling mega contracts of all time. Horrible contract/decision by Baltimore.
I get that. If I am DD, im just looking at the 17 per annum, its not so bad. That deferred money sucks. But if you insenrt Manny and Davis to the sawx line up, they can compete with anyone.
As baffling as David $$$$…..
Why would the Orioles want any part of Hanley Ramirez and his $22MM salary plus a [potential option for 2019.
It’s just almost a wash with Davis contract.
So give up a bunch of high end talent AND take back C Davis awful contract?
Yes, to get an even higher talent. And a power bat to go along.
It’ll take much more than that to get Machado. The Sox have no farm system as is so I don’t see how the Sox are a fit
Hey drift…you are hurting bruins’ feelings.
Personally, I think Jon Jay would be an excellent addition to any team. He can play all 3 outfield positions and has a very good batting average. Utility player or every day player, he is very consistent.
I like Jay as well, I wouldn’t be too hot on him starting, but he’s like the perfect 4th outfielder.
he has had good success starting
Manny isn’t going to Boston — O’s would be better served dealing with the Yankees, landing Frazier
And I will call another one….indians window is closed….c-ya Eddie !
I think that if CLE can’t extend Lindor within the next year, they’ll have to consider trading him while he has at least 3 years of control remaining. Lindor would bring quite a haul, but that won’t happen until the Encarnacion and Kipnis contracts expire. Within 2 years (maybe less) they’ll have Lindor, Ramirez, Kluber, Carrasco, and Bauer they’ll either need to trade or extend. I think they’ll launch at least a retooling after 2019.
Cardinals should offer some 2 prospect pitcher package, take your pick from gomber, hicks, hudson, Flaherty, maybe tweak it amd instead gyrko, and one or two mid pitcher prospects. Best they could get. MM can play short if he wants, Dejong moves to third. Yay for both birds. Worth MM for a year. Stl will give him a standing o everytime he scratches his nose…and then he’ll leave.
no way…someone will pony up a good deal more
But they won’t. If they would have, he would already have been traded.
The orioles would ask for both weaver and Reyes. You should be prepared to give up one of those 2.
Orioles should be focused on talent they acquire and not position. Then trade the talent for the positions (pitching) they need.
Except the fact they need to rebuild badly. An awful minor league system. They can’t acquire talent. They’re limited on what they can also sign as well. Remember in 2014 when Baltimore won the AL East with Matt Wieters behind the plate, Adam Jones in his prime, when Nick Markakis was still there, and a rotation led by Wei-Yin Chen? Good times.
Amen.
They also need to stop worrying about helping the Yankees. Anyone they send to the Yankees will be dead by the time to O’s are competitive.
Lame duck offseason continues
Cashman isn’t stupid it makes no sense for him/Yankees to make the Orioles an offer for high end prospects including a SP for Machado then try and re-sign him next winter for a small fortune. They can and will wait this year let someone else have him even if it’s the Red Sox, which I doubt, then if they want try and sign him next year for just money when they have reset their CBT to -0- from 50% in 2017.. The Yankees don’t need Machado. They will be nhappy to see Peter Angelos and Buck Showalter stumble around in 3rd or more likely 4th place in the AL East for the next few years. The Yankees as is have arguably the best offense in the Al if not all of the ML’s and one of the Top SP’ing including depth in the ML’s with: Severino, Tanaka, Gray, Sabathia & Montgomery with depth of: Adams, Cessa, German & Acevedo and Justus Sheffield with a half season more in AAA.
I keep getting the feeling that Machado is going to walk and the Orioles will get nothing in return.
Agreed. I also won’t be surprised to see Adrian Beltre made available at the break. By no means am I saying Beltre is at the same level of Machado. Rather just stating that teams could have options for 3rd basemen to target for a playoff run.
If he’s an Oriole at the start of the season, I think they trade him at the deadline if they are out of contention
Interesting.
No indication, no indication and not going to do anything.
This is sort of like a news story about how there isn’t any news.
Essentially the entire offseason has been this way. One story that last 2-3 weeks, due to nothing else of significance taking place.
Manny will end up in Cleveland for one year. Machado, Lindor, Ramirez, Alonso is their infield. Cleveland’s rotation of Kluyber, Carrasco, Salazar, Bauer, and Clevenger (among other of their young spot starters) is in place until 2021 when Carrasco, Salazar, and Bauer are FA. The Indians are set up to win now and for the next 5 years. Giving up some prospects or young major league talent about ready to break into the majors for one year of Machado would not hurt the Indians at all and could help the O’s in the future.
Don’t tell me, DD called to just see what they are asking for Machado.
And that’s news …. LOL..
Breaking news.
John Henry called DD today so see if it’s going to snow in Boston.
LOL
Where would Machado play with the Sox? They have Devers and Xander? The Yanks have an opening at third.
Devers goes to DH/ 1B
Don’t laugh at your own comments. It’s demented.
Devers and Bogaerts are potentially as good as Machado. This is stupid. Boston is run by stupid people. Their 3 all-star OF’s all slightly underperformed in the same year, so they want to replace them? No, chill out. You will be fine. I can’t think of a team that needed to stand pat more than the Red Sox this offseason, but anytime the Yankees do anything they get so shook and feel the need to “counter” them. It’s the most pathetic part of the “rivalry”.
So the front office is stupid because Heyman said they are looking in on Machado?
They haven’t done anything. They HAVE stood pat.
Red Sox will not get Machado, nor are they serious in trying. This is just rumors leaked to keep people talking about anything other then the lack of needed moves, and to make it look like people are busy. The Orioles asking price is extremely high, and even if the Red Sox could meet it, why would they want to for a rental? My guess is that the Orioles will not contend, and therefore will be able to deal him close to the deadline easily for upper tier prospect deal, and the teams involved will all be in the playoffs and willing to bolster their chances for a title. Machado to any AL east team is most likely a pipe dream unless they give up 2 to 3 of their top 10 prospects. Outside the division, it would most likely cost a team 2 top prospects and a major league ready player.
Second point. A poster rightly noted it took the Yankees getting their number one current prospect to trade away Chapman to a non rival in the other league. The Orioles should demand no less then Torres and Frazier from a rival, in their division, that they despise, for a much more valuable player then Chapman. BTW, Chapman was a rental for Torres, for a couple months. The excuse Machado is a rental for an entire year, holds no merit. I do not blame the Yankee fans passion for thinking it should cost them only extra parts, and non essential personnel to get hall of fame type talents other teams can’t afford to keep.. You get use to it after a time.
Team control isn’t exactly an “excuse,” it’s just a thing teams care about. Comparing a Machado trade to a Chapman trade that was derided as a massive overpay from the start doesn’t make sense. The Chapman deal was the exception, not the rule
All the Yankees should have to do is offer the best return. If the Orioles are smart, they won’t take an inferior return just to avoid trading him to the Yankees for one year when they won’t be contending in that one year anyway.
Orioles will get more for Machado now than they would at the deadline.
Machado spiked Pedroia on purpose. Keep him away from Boston.
Here is an idea… Yankees have a pretty good offer…. Orioles want more…. what better way to attempt to get more then floating the Red Sox out there. Only issue is Yankees & Cashman are dealing from strength here. They can sit back and wait a year and sign him outright. They hear the rumors people in Baltimore have been whispering for 3 years now, that Manny Machado has a Yankee uniform on already. Those whispers are all around baseball. No team is going to gut their systems for 1 year knowing he is likely walking. Orioles are in a tough spot. Fortunately the Yankees can probably offer some pretty good pieces, even 1 or 2 that may hurt which would be necessary in my mind to get Machado in division. However Torres and Florial will never be a part of that deal. Time will tell but gut says Machado is a Yankee on opening day whether it’s 2018 or 2019.
Machado will have to learn how to whine more before he can be a Red Sox.
I wouldn’t listen to anything Bradford says he is a moron in Boston sports. He has no insider knowledge.
Teams trade away multiple prospects at the trade deadline to rent a player for less than half a season and playoffs potentially. Why do people think it’s so crazy to trade multiple prospects for a player of Machados caliber for a full year of service and playoffs potentially? Do teams require extension talks at the trade deadline cuz I don’t hear of that with those guys hardly if ever?
Trading Bogarts and Devers would be crazy. Machado plays SS now you weaken yourself at third. Unless you sign Moustakis. That would be only situation where it makes sense or now you have a big hole at third. If that’s the case better with what you have which hopefully if Devers lives up to hype will be pretty good. Bogarts will be improved after injury plagued year.
What about jbj and either houck or groome for machado ? And then go out and sign JD.
I just don’t see the Red Sox trading JBJ until they already sign JDM. If they did this would give Boras way to much leverage. If JDM signs elsewhere you just keep JBJ and go with what you have the Red Sox will be a good team anyway as long as there pitching holds up.
Get the most you can for him! We need a future with pitching.