THURSDAY, 2:53am: Nightengale reports in another tweet that the Orioles are “moving aggressively” on trade talks involving Machado, noting that Baltimore believes they can move him by the end of the week.
THURSDAY, 12:47am: Contrary to Rosenthal’s earlier report, Bob Nightengale of USA Today Sports reports via Twitter that the Cardinals have a “strong offer” in place for Machado, though it’s reportedly not as strong as White Sox’ proposal.
THURSDAY, 12:20am: Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic (insider subscription required and recommended) reports that the White Sox have been the “most aggressive” suitor for Machado. Their goal seems to be to acquire him and attempt to extend him for the long term. Bob Nightengale adds in a tweet that the offer from Chicago was “the best offer of the dozen offers the Orioles have received.”
Rosenthal also notes that the Giants offered the Orioles a package that included Christian Arroyo. The Cardinals also asked about Machado, but the price was apparently too steep for them.
WEDNESDAY, 7:53pm: It doesn’t appear that a Machado trade will come together during the Winter Meetings, Encina writes.
6:30pm: Several teams have made formal trade offers for Machado, Jon Heyman of FanRag tweets. The Yankees’ chances of landing him are near zero, a source told Joel Sherman of the New York Post. It seems the Yankees would want to include Jacoby Ellsbury in a a Machado deal to help them stay under the competitive-balance tax threshold, but Sherman doubts he’d waive his no-trade clause to go to Baltimore (Twitter link).
4:33pm: The Orioles are “making good progress” toward a Machado trade, Duquette told Brittany Ghiroli of MLB.com and other reporters, though Dan Connolly of BaltimoreBaseball.com writes that a deal doesn’t appear imminent. There are more than five teams in the running for Machado, Ghiroli adds. The Orioles met with a “couple” of those teams Wednesday, per Encina. Notably, Duquette hasn’t dismissed trading Machado to another AL East team, Roch Kubatko of MASNsports.com relays (all Twitter links here).
TUESDAY, 6:27pm: The Yankees and White Sox are also interested in Machado, ESPN’s Buster Olney reports (Twitter link). As mentioned below, Peter Angelos doesn’t want to deal Machado to New York, while the Sox are an interesting suitor that could be looking at Machado as the centerpiece of a return to contention. Cardinals GM Michael Girsch told Ben Frederickson of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch that giving up significant assets for a star player with just one year of control remaining is “not a path we are likely to go down.” Interestingly, this description applies to both Machado and to another oft-mentioned Cards trade target in Josh Donaldson.
4:29pm: “Several clubs” asked the Orioles about Machado today, Dan Duquette told MLB.com’s Brittany Ghiroli (Twitter links), Eduardo A. Encina of the Baltimore Sun (Twitter links) and other media. There’s at least a possibility a trade happens, and the Orioles have apparently not discussed an extension with Machado in years, though new negotiations are “under consideration.” The O’s haven’t talked about giving any potential Machado trade partner a 72-hour window to try and negotiate their own extension with the infielder.
1:43pm: The Cardinals have interest in Machado, Bob Nightengale of USA Today tweets. The Phillies are said to be enamored of Machado, too, and there are no doubt a wide variety of other teams lining up to check on in the asking price. Baltimore is receiving a “ton” of interest in Machado, Rob Bradford of WEEI.com tweets.
10:57am: While it’s been reported that the Orioles are at least willing to listen to offers on Manny Machado, Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic takes things a step further, reporting that the O’s have asked interested parties to make them offers for the star infielder (subscription required and highly recommended). The term “infielder” is of particular note, as Rosenthal also writes that Machado’s desire is to return to shortstop in 2018 whether he’s in Baltimore or with a new club.
Machado, 25, has long stood out as an on-paper trade candidate given his proximity to free agency and the Orioles’ lack of starting pitching. The O’s, who have been looking to add as many as three starters to their rotation this winter, will be hard-pressed to contend for an AL East title in 2018 (even more so in the wake of the Bronx Bombers’ acquisition of Giancarlo Stanton). With Machado set to hit the open market next winter in position to land a record-setting contract — assuming a healthy year, anything south of Stanton’s $325MM guarantee would seem to be a nonstarter — it’s difficult to envision him remaining in Baltimore. For the time being, MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz projects a $17.3MM salary for Machado next year after his final trip through the arbitration process.
The Orioles, per Rosenthal, are aiming to acquire two controllable young starters in any trade for Machado. That’s a lofty ask for a lot of teams, but a win-now club with an ample supply of touted but unproven pitching could look at that as an acceptable price to pay for a player that has been worth better than five wins per season, on average, over the past half decade (despite missing 80 games due to injury in 2014). Notably, Rosenthal adds that owner Peter Angelos does not want to trade with the division-rival Yankees.
Machado didn’t have his best season in 2017, as he got off to a shockingly pedestrian start to the year. Through the season’s first three months, Machado was batting just .216/.289/.423 with an elevated (by his standards) 20.6 percent strikeout rate. Over the final three months, though, the Machado of old resurfaced, as he mashed at a .295/.329/.513 pace with a vastly improved 13.1 percent punchout rate.
Machado has two Gold Gloves and a Platinum Glove to his name at third base and has long graded out as an elite defender there, but there’s little doubt that he could still handle shortstop at an above-average level as well. He logged nearly 400 innings there in 2016, for instance, and drew generally positive marks from Ultimate Zone Rating (+1.9) and Defensive Runs Saved (+3).
From a broader perspective, Machado is one of several players entering his final year of team control in Baltimore. Zach Britton, Adam Jones and Brad Brach are all free agents following the 2018 season, while Jonathan Schoop is controlled for just one year beyond that. Depending on how aggressively the O’s are willing to sell off parts, they could quickly restock their farm with an ample supply of talent by marketing more than one of their soon-to-be free agents, though doing so would also mean largely punting on the 2018 campaign at the very least.
Yankees just cleared Headley……possible Machado trade given their farm?
No thanks. let the prospects play. our priority is pitching.
For a major one year rental ? Nooooo lmaoo. Cashman isn’t stupid
Who said he’s a one year rental? The Yankees have the money (if they want) to extend him.
He will test the market for sure though. There is the chance you lose prospects and not have him return. That’s the problem
There is a nonzero chance he gets traded to the Yankees. There is a zero percent chance he refuses to sign an extension with the team most likely to offer him the biggest contract as a free agent a year from now anyway.
While I can’t see Baltimore helping the Yankees cruise to a World Series while losing to them 18 times a year, if the Yankees offered up Chance Adams and Justus Sheffield (bad moves IMO) there is no way Baltimore says no.
It’s not a bad move if it gives them a Ws championship. Put Machado on the Yankees and I don’t see anyone beating them. Stanton, Sanchez, judge, Machado all in the same lineup is ridiculous. For Adams and Sheffield we’d probably need to add Britton or Brach though.
The Cardinals would top the offer of Adams and Sheffield. They’re desperate to make a major splash. And given their interest in Stanton, it’s not crazy to think they’d offer an extension that mirrored what Stanton is making …
missing Didi, hicks and Bird…
Bird won’t stay healthy so..
Stanton was for multiple years, I don’t think the Cards trade for only 1 year of Machado.
Totally agree. Cards have the pitching depth and can move DeJong to 3rd. They can hopefully lock him up to a long term deal because they have the money. Would be the face of the franchise.
Not enough.
It is if it costs us future championships. A one year rental isn’t worth 2 top pitching prospects and no one is unbeatable.
Bird is one of the most slept on players in mlb. Is ankle problems were fixed with that surgery and his return from the DL showed that
Completely agree. But as a number of people have pointed – the author of the article included – the Cards can make the trade contingent on an extension being worked out with Machado. While it’s unlikely Machado accepts anything less than an overpay this close to FA, it’s not outside the realm that the Cards give him that. They clearly have the money to spend as evidenced by heir pursuit of Stanton…
I think people question Bird’s desire to play… there was a lot of rumblings that he could’ve played through the ankle problem but chose not to
Tabloid nonsense, I promise you.
Perhaps. But it’s more likely that a reporter got his info from Girardi…
Didn’t an earlier story say a Machado trade to the Phillies would be contingent on them having a 72-hour window to negotiate an extension? Seemed odd to me at the time, so I might have misread it.
Is that why he was thrown out at Home in the ALCS?
Chance Adams and Justus Sheffield are nice prospects but neither one of them is a Manny Machado type impact player, You aren’t trading 2 future #1 starters. Add Andujar to that list. They’re nice prospects might be nice players but they aren’t going to be stars. Manny is. Probably a moot point because Angelos would prefer to not deal with New York anyway. But I don’t know how you could sit back and cry if he did. Machado is a star.
He’s already said his dream was to play I Yankee pinstripes.
The fact that he’s eligible for free agency in a year and there is no objective incentive for him to forego free agency says he’s a one year rental.
I feel that the Yankees could trade prospects Chance Adams(RHP) and Thairo(SS/2B) Estrada for Machado.
You’re aware this is for only 1 year of Machado versus years and years of control of whatever prospects the Os get in return right?
Machado will either be a Yankee this year or next but it’s been the focus for several years. O’s can have Andujar and a pitcher
They don’t have anyone better and he would never resign there he is going to be a a Yankee just a matter of which year
I’ll give you 5 to 1 Bird plays 130 plus games this year
Not only would he be a possible one year rental, his salary would almost certainly put the Yankees over the threshold and induce the big tax. The same tax they avoided by getting the Marlins to front the first year of Stanton’s contract.
So, if they take on Machado, he won’t just cost them his salary, but a HUGE tax, unless they can offload more salary or get the Orioles to pay. I jsut don’t see that happening with other suitors available that likely wouldn’t force the O’s to cover some of the money.
Wrong the marlins paid 30 mill off the entire contract the tax number is calculated off AAV so it would decrease his contract by 2.3 million
Wrong
Steve Mayne-Yanks have 35 million in space. He’s set to make 11.5 million. Easily affordable
No he didn’t.
How do you know?
Sure Cashman is stupid. He just traded for Stanton’s contract coming off a season that Stanton will never be able to duplicate. How many times has Stanton been hurt? Cashman will continue to make bad moves. You just watch and see.
If he was stupid he would have said no to that lopsided trade for a player they could easily afford and still be under the tax threshold after the deal was done
Hard to say the Stanton deal was lopsided. Taking on 300M is no small price to pay. I think we can all agree the Yankees win the deal now but in 4 years when Stanton is making 30M at age 35 it’ll be flipped.
It was t a lopsided trade
This is the dumbest reply ive seen so far today….
How? You’re telling me in 5 years the Yankees will want Stanton and his salary? Come on now. That’s what the Yankees do. They pay up (always too much) for the big names in their primes and once they hit 33-38 they are regretting it. Ellsbury, ARod..
Not stupid for trading for the NL MVP and being able to keep his team under the luxury tax. He improved his team drastically with the trade, that makes you smart, not stupid. Besides once we see the contracts for Harper and Machado next year, Stanton’s will look like a steal.
yeah, if they have 3 chips by then they won’t care.
Um, in four years Stanton will be 32….
Um, there is almost zero chance he doesn’t opt out unless he gets his legs amputated or something.
Idiot Stanton is 27
How in the world can you call somebody else an idiot and not even use something as simple as Google to fact check beforehand? Truly unbelievable.
lol yeah offense was really the yankees problem. Cashman made the trade because he could. Any other GM would do the same.
Lol and only cost him 15 mill a yr and nothing else. Good chance the restructure in opt out 3 yrs lol
They have about 7 MLB level starters right now
Hey! 27 4 = 31 NOT 35! Why do people say stupid crap like this when it can be looked up
Lazy or Idiot? or Lazy Idiot?
He’ll opt out and won’t be re-signed.
In 5 years Stanton won’t even be that old. Stanton has a lot left in the tank and the Yankees were able to get far in the playoffs without him, he’s not going to hurt. Although Stanton may not be having the monster season he just had, he is still an amazing player who will still be productive to the team. If Stanton can help win a world series then the Yankees win the trade, because that is what they want. Alex Rodriguez helped win the world series for the Yankees back in 09 anyways
You can make a trade contingent on an extension. Yankees can talk to Machado first, agree to terms and then acquire and extend him in one swoop. Blue jays did it with R.A. Dickey a few years back.
That’s the only scenario I can see where he goes to the Yankees (or Astros or Dodgers).
Astros have Correa at SS.
They do, however Machado won his multiple gold gloves at 3B. I think the Astros would move Bregman to another position (or team) if they did trade for him. Personally, I don’t see it happening, nor do the Astros need to trade for him.
Still no reason for Machado to agree to that
“Yankees never trade for rentals. Only the stupid other 29 teams continue to make that mistake.”
As if he’s never done it before. Put the cup full of punch down and open your eyes.
No? Who signed Ellesbury lol
Not in the division
Orioles won’t trade him to Yankees nor do the Yankees need another RH bat. We need pitching and O’s want 2 pitchers. Yankees wouldn’t be a great fit
Oh my god, finally a yankee fan with a brain! Where have you been?!?!? Don’t hide in the darkness please come into the light!
How much could a 3.5WAR player with 1 year of control cost? Andujar, Adams and Betances.
you treat Machado like a 3.5 war player you don’t get him.
As much as a team is willing to pay … My guess is a number of teams would be willing to offer more than that.
Last year was an anomaly – he’s more likely to be a 6+ WAR player going forward.
i knew Boras was here somewhere
I think Jordan Montgomery, Justus Sheffield/Chance Adams, Miguel Andujar would have to headline this package with another mid-level prospect thrown in for Baltimore to even consider it. I have faith in Cash to stay patient, and let Machado hit free agency.
Hard to see them (the O’s) doing an inter-divisional trade.
It the article it says they won’t trade with the Yankees…. but you never know… they do have a few good pitchers down there, but not sure they’d be willing to deal them for a one year player….
Does the article not say that Angelos won’t trade him with the Yankees?
Says he doesn’t want To. Want and won’t are completely different. If they throw together an offer with Sheffield andujar and Adams or A deal with torres. It’s probably a different story. Cards, Yankees or dodgers have the most near mlb ready pitching to offer. Add the stros to that but I don’t see a deal for them likely considering they have breg and Correa.
The Chicago White Sox likely have the most quality pitching prospects in the mlb.
Kopech, giolito, Lopez, cease is t pretty good too. They don’t have the need for Machado next season though. I still like the cards as having the best. Reyes, Weaver, flaherty, and Alcantra. Both are fantastic but I think Reyes is the best pitcher of the group. Long ways to go on these guys it’ll be interesting to see which group ends up being better.
Add Lopez, Hansen, Dunning, and Fulmer into that mix as well for the White Sox – though personally, I’m not too high on Fulmer.
You’re probably right about Reyes if we are talking pre=injury. Right now though, I think you could easily make an argument in favor of Kopech. Assuming Reyes can come back fully healthy, they are both excellent prospects.
Absolutely none of those pitchers from white sox/farm would be offered in that trade.
There is no way I’d trade Reyes for a rental who hit .256 last year.
No mention of Alec Hansen or Carlos Rodon for the White Sox. Sox r loaded with arms. I’d trade Rodon along with fulmer to the orioles for manny pending extension upon acceptance. Thoughts?
Rodon isn’t a prospect. He’s a nice young starter who might take the next step but he’s as much of a prospect as bundy or Gausman. He’s already used up 2 years of controllability. Gotta cut down on the walks too. Wouldn’t mind getting him back in a deal but he’d have to come with someone like dunning. You may be right though, I could see fulmer and rodon to the O’s. Don’t like fulmer at all but I can definitely see it.
I highly doubt they move Rodon or Kopech for a rental. I could see something like Giolito, Fulmer, and another piece though. The only other pitcher I wouldn’t have ANY interest in moving for a rental is Hansen (Dunning is close, but I’d do it if the rest of the deal was relatively light).
Too much. Giolito was good when he came up last year and would have years of cheap control left. I wouldn’t give up five more years of him for one non-contending year of Machado, much less give up other guys too.
I’m sorry, your proposals are way off here. It’s a rental. Maybe he stays. Maybe 2 guys tops. And not even 1 top 100.
LOL… well if you’re going to go overboard might as well go all the way insanely overboard… pitching might be a better use of prospects… but I guess they could just play for the 14-12 win
Why? Torres (when healthy) or didi can slide into third
Did you not read the part about Angelos saying he would not trade within the division?
If there is a deal done prior to the season, I think it would have to include a window to sign him to a long term extension (unless he is unwilling to). If that’s the case then it will be lite offers.
Red Sox can do this and give the Yanks a run for their money. Offer Xander, JBJ and Groome. Then sign J.D.
1) Benni CF
2) Mookie RF
3) Machado SS
4) J.D LF
5) Devers 3B
6) Hanley DH
7) Pedroia
8) Moreland or Santana if he can be had
9)Vazquez C
Not bad.
Not realistic ! Figure up the cost of that lineup Plus the rest of the team to go with it! Not even possible ! Even for the Red Sox!
Sox would be about 250 mill payroll
Not out of the question at all. Machado will make 11.5 mill and JD maybe 20-25.
JBJ and Xander areset to get 14 combined on arbitration. Adding 10 mil for Manny and JD should be plenty worth it.
123 mil in commited payroll so far.
Machado will make almost $18 million in 2018 .
That’s exactly it. There are plenty of other things the Phillies could get for that much money and the prospects you know they would have to give up in a Machado trade and most of those things would contribute to the Phillies beyond 2018 while Machado won’t.
Red Sox Pls
#DoIt
Any team trading for him now would be beyond stupid
Not stupid just have to understand it’s for one year of service, price has to match that.
He’s a top 5 position player in mlb so even one year is a ton. Plus he might not resign with who trades for him. It’s a giant risk
The real complicating factor is Peter Angelis
1. Mike Trout 2. Bryce Harper 3. Jose Altuve 4. Carlos Correa 5. Nolan Arenado in no particular order.
Correa, Arenado, and Machado are a wash. You could plug those three in any order and it would basically be correct.
By trading for him now you would also get a draft pick back when he left.
Only worth trading for the 1 year of his services if your team can potentially win the World Series in 2018. Unless the trade only happens with an extension I don’t see Baltimore getting much back. They would have been wise to deal him a last year.
Dude you need to buy a clue.. get a clue.. heck I’ll loan you a clue!
No team is dealing for him w/o a 72-hour window that allows them to do an extension. No window, no trade.
Unless you are convinced that he will be willing to sign an extension with a new team. Star players HAVE signed extensions before hitting the open market before. Look at Stephen Strasburg, who would have been far and away the best starter last offseason who re-upped with the Nats. If a team like Philadelphia wants him long term, it would make to trade for him now and have a full year of exclusive negotiation rights for contract than to wait for the open market and have to compete with everyone else and hope yours is the best offer.
Teams will request an extension window likely. This is what would make Machado sensible for Philadelphia. He makes sense for a swath of teams if he’s amiable to an extension. Hard to imagine he wouldn’t want to test the market though.
I think if he was willing to sign an extension he would have with the O’s. He may not necessarily want to test free agency but there is only a handful of teams I could see him signing an extension with prior to going to free agency.
Phillies are terrible why in hells gate would he go there
because they have the desire and financial capability to offer him the largest contract.
they will pursue that in FA next year though. a trade for him now will completely derail the rebuild and wont push them into the 2018 post season, so i see zero chance of a phils trade.
They don’t have ANY negotiation rights even if they do trade for him! If he wanted to take an extension it would have happened by now!
They are going to have to outbid everyone else to sign him no matter what, so why would they want to give up prospects on top of that?
It wouldn’t have happened by now if he doesn’t want to stay in Baltimore. Which could be a reason why the Orioles are shopping him.
“Yeah, why not? This is the organization I play for, this is the organization I love.” -Machado when asked if he’d be interested in staying in Baltimore beyond 2018.
What do you mean they don’t have negotiation rights? Explain please! Wouldn’t any team trading for Machado have ALL his rights
and be 1st in line when it came to negotiations ?
Not if he stonewalls them (which he should and likely will)
Why take that literally?
If he said I hate it here I want out then he drives down his own value in free agency
How so?
Oh! That tired old argument AGAIN! U might be right in this case with Machado
But ur not always right !
Why do you always feel the need to post multiple comments for the same thought?
And my argument is no more tired than the excuses others make for why player x should forego free agency when he’s already more or less there.
Because I’m not afraid to call you on your BS when you keep posting the same old BS over
and over about free agency! We know your opinion about it. But it doesn’t always happen the way you say it will. There are other factors involved . You are not ALWAYS right! Get over yourself!
I mean why do you break your comment up into two separate comments? Posting it all in one comment is completely sufficient.
I never said I was always right. Thanks tho!
Gardner
Machado
Judge
Stanton
Sanchez
Didi
Bird
Torres
Hicks
Oh god
Add Rafael Palmaiero and then I’ll start to plan the parade.
This is the most downvoted comment I’ve ever seen on MLBTR. Nice work.
quite possibly the opening day lineup next year.
Angelos would have to keel over dead for Machado to go to the Yanks. There is still a lot of bitterness about Mussina and Teixeira going there.
All you Yankee fans need to pay more attention to earlier posts. Machado will NOT be traded within the division unless the O’s get a Kong’s ransom in return. Also Parker of the trade to any team is contingent on a 72 hour extension window with whoever makes a trade for Manny
Would rather see Yanks trade for Arenado.
Serious post here:
Who are the potential trading partners for Baltimore – so who has these 2 young controllable starters and would actually be able to pull it off??
Many teams can but he will 100% test the market so what’s the point of trading for a guy who might not even return?
The point would be to do everything you can to win the World Series.
Cardinals, Rockies (although they don’t have room)
Cards organization is too smart to jeopardize the future on a one-year push with Machado. They are more than one piece away from the World Series conversation, so it really makes no sense for them. A trade for Ozuna seems like much more of a Cardinals-esque move
Cardinals would likely be the favorite but they may be hesitant since they will very likely lose him to the Yankees in FA
I can’t imagine they’d do it without trying to work out an extension first, and I can’t imagine theyd’ be able to do that.
Trade for machado an offer him 10 325 with a big signing bonus say 25 mil and he can play short.. think he says no to that?
Probably. That would be a deal he could get easily on the open market and he would have his pick of teams. If they trade him to a team he doesn’t want to play for then yes he says no.
Its probably more like 13/400
If those last three years are option years sure but no team is giving him until he’s 38.. baseball is changing people
I disagree, there will be so many teams that want him that someone will. 38 isn’t that old anyways, if Cano and Pujols can get deals that take them until they are 41, someone will give him 13 years at least and it will probably have multiple opt-out years. Not saying its a good thing, just saying he will get it.
That’s about what I think he’ll get in free agency. I don’t think he will sign it as an extension though.
15/$510m and he can opt out after every season.
That contract is NOT gonna happen! EVER!
I know. And neither is Machado foregoing free agency.
U don’t know that for sure! It prob will happen, but it doesn’t ALWAYS !
There is no objective incentive for him to forego free agency at this point.
There are always other factors involved! I already proved that the last time with the Justin Upton case! You were WRONG! Get over it! Move on!
No there aren’t and you are the one who keeps bringing that up so you get over it.
The Stanton trade likely took the Yankees out of the market for both Machado and Harper.
Someone is finally paying attention. You are correct
Pretty sure I said that on a Stanton thread sometime within the past couple days.
It takes them out of the market for Harper, but doesn’t impact their interest in Machado. Not even in the slightest.
white sox could do it. they shouldn’t, but they have the assets
And the need. I just don’t know if they’d put up those kind of dollars for anyone. Already have franchise players just starting to impact. Would Machado put them on the back burner? What about next year’s FA pool? It’s a tough call.
they’re not competing for the playoffs this year so it doesn’t make sense to trade 2 starters for a rental. if their prospects show up this year it could convince their cheap ownership to shell out some cash for a guy like machado.
i wouldn’t peg them as a favorite for any of the top free agents next year (or any year) though because of their cheap owner
I’m not talking about buying the playoffs. RR and the Sox culture is starting. Players gotta be sick of this-team-that-team $$ crap by now. It’s not season result, it’s whether Machado is a good fit to make a move on.
They will have nearly a 365 day window to do an extension. He’s not a rental if you convince him to sign an extension. Everyone has a price. Look at Strasburg, who EVERYONE was convinced would be on the open market, and who signed an extension during the season.
My thoughts exactly. Machado gets some time on this ballclub and he ain’t going back to “bad music” and “tranced out fans” elsewhere ever again.
And you know it.
But does a move like this make sense now?
probably not.
machado’s clearly a great baseball player and an upgrade for pretty much every infield, definitely a huge upgrade for the white sox
there’s no indication that reinsdorf will authorize the kind of money it would take to extend him. so you’re trading good prospects/pitchers that you already have under contract for a while for 1 year of machado with the possibility of convincing him to sign a long term deal. thats a high premium..
i don’t think the orioles reported asking price is worth it for the white sox right now. its probably worth it to a team that is making a run this year, but thats not the sox.
And if he doesn’t you get Burned. Phillies have a nice farm but can’t afford to lose pieces for nothing
He IS a rental if you trade for him and don’t get an extension as part of the trade. Anything that happens afterwards is a separate and irrelevant transaction. Anyway, if Machado was going to sign an extension it would have happened by now.
Lol you wanna trade two top prospects in order to “build a culture?” Can you say DELUSIONAL?
It wouldn’t be as costly for White Sox as you might think. We have Welington, maybe another bird flies over?
6:27pm: The Yankees and White Sox are also interested in Machado
Did you ever consider that he might not want to sign an extension with the Orioles, but might with a different team?
“Yeah, why not? This is the organization I play for, this is the organization I love.” -Machado when asked if he’d be interested in staying in Baltimore beyond 2018.
Oh yeah, sounds like a player who is just itching to get out of Baltimore LOL!
What? Oh let me guess, you are gonna bring up the Upton/Free Agent signing scenerio again aren’t you? LoL! Dude! I just had to bring that up one more time to bust your balls ! I actually think you have lots of smart ideas, but that Upton/Free Agent thing wasn’t one of them! LMAO!
You know what really wasn’t a smart idea? Upton taking that extension. He’d have gotten more money FROM THE ANGELS in free agency.
U don’t know that
U were wrong! Just admit in that case at least!
Yeah I do know that and forgive me for expecting people to act in their best interest
WoW! You finally admitted you were wrong! We’ll I’ll be damned ! Now that wasn’t so hard now was it? The thing is that it’s THEIR life
I know and that’s exactly it. If Upton had waited out free agency for two more weeks he could have gotten more money FROM THE ANGELS! Better for HIS life that he does that.
and their decisions ! Let them make it ! It’s not up to me or you to decide what’s best for them! Ok! Let’s move on! Please try
to not be so arrogant
or pretentious on here
Try talking with people
and not TO them! Ok? Thanks! Have a great day!
Getting more money FROM THE ANGELS is indeed what’s best for him. Come on, more money! He had nothing to lose and everything to gain by waiting out free agency.
And why did you feel the need to break that up into 5 different comments?
U still don’t get it do u? Y do u think it’s up to u to decide what’s right for a player? That’s delusional ! U need some serious help!
By the way, it’s the app breaking up my comments douche bag, not me! As if it’s any of your business anyway. You don’t run these comment sections like you think you do. Get over yourself! You are not always right, even though you think you are!
It’s HIS life moron, not yours, not up to YOU! Get over yourself !
I know it’s his life r-tard. And it would be better for his life to wait out free agency to wait out free agency and get more money from the Angels. Why should he take less money from the Angels when he can get more money from the Angels? Give me one good reason. Idiot.
I don’t have to give u any reasons ! Upton had his reasons for signing! That’s the FACTS! So again , u were wrong AND your still a know-it-all egotistical pretentious douche bag!
Yeah you do. They aren’t good reasons. And you’re*. Work on that grammar.
The Diamondbacks could use him at short
The Pirates have a lot of young pitching. But…don’t have $300 million to pay him.
The White Sox have Giolito, Lopez, Cease, Dunning, Hansen, Rodon who would all fit what the O’s want plus plenty of position players. Plus they have $ to overwhelm him and many attractive young pieces too
I feel like an offer of Fulmer, Dunning/Cease, and Burger are able to get a deal done, with the condition the sox get a window to work out an extension and throw him some big money.
I would be even be ok with adding an Adolfo type of player to make it a 4-1.
In theory, it could make sense for both teams and there’s a good fit on each side. In reality, I don’t see any way Jerry hands out a $300+ mil contract – and I don’t necessarily blame him.
Dodgers, Cardinals.
O’s ownership will not trade him within the division unless the return is overwhelming.
Cardinals.
The Yankees could offer Jordan Montgomery and Luis Cessa, but I don’t see this deal without Chance Adams involved. These three combined should get it done, not sure the Yankees will pull the trigger on that, I don’t think they should.
that’s not nearly enough to get the job done. It would have to involve Clint Frazier, Chance Adams, and others
I believe the O’s should trade Machado this year with Britton etc. The Yankees would be stupid to trade Frazier, Adams and other like Montgomery for a guy, who has only 1 year of control. The Yankees in my opinion should say, that Cessa and Montgomery is max, if not then there is no trade. The O’s won’t just accept the best offer, but should really be thinking about trading Manny
he only has one year of control of course that gets it done
Machado for Swanson, Touissant, Kyle Wright and Austin Riley
Better be an extension signed beforehand.
As long as they could extend him! But don’t think Touissant would you interest the O’s. Maybe Folty, Wright, Swanson and Muller.
Braves match up best with BAL on a Machado deal, but as PasswordIsPassword pointed out the Braves would have to work out an extension before pulling the trigger. I can totally see AA making it happen.
Thoughts on ext? Maybe $20mil signing bonus at $320mil over 13yrs?
That’s less than 25 million per year, he will command much more than that annually.
Just shy of age 27 at contract start? You’re looking at 3-5 years of prime production of 5-7 wins per year, then gradual decline for 7-10 years afterward. Barring injury or faster than expected decline, I’d think there are more than 40 wins in Machado over the next 10 years. I think you’re looking closer to 10/$350 with an opt-out. Even that may be a bit light.
Send Machado, Trout, Harper and Kershaw to the Yankees. Give ’em their series title and the papers to file for bankruptcy.
Why so salty?
(As a Phillies fan)
I don’t want him unless it comes with an extension
Agreed, the extension is key. If he is hell bent on testing the market, well, let him. The Phillies FO can go after him then.
If it was me, I’d do just about
Any deal minus Sixto and Kingery. This generations Hamels and Utley. They may not pan out, but I’m not willing to take that gamble. They look like all stars, especially Kingery.
He’s not going to take an extension. If I’m the Phillies FO I just wait a year, sign him in free agency and keep all my prospects.
I don’t understand how the owners can buy into DD leading a rebuild. He doesn’t even believe in the international market
I’d say it’s Angelos who doesn’t believe in it, not DD.
I don’t know who it is, but the Orioles have a different philosophy. They have a Dominican League team and sign players, just not the expensive ones. We hear about all these Latinos who make the Majors after getting bonuses under $100k. The Orioles don’t believe that paying $1.5 million for someone is a good investment. The Orioles view is that they’d rather trade the international money for more advanced prospects and roll the dice on finding gems. It may be smarter.
It is not smarter. Don’t sit here and tell me trading your international money for prospects like Milton Ramos and Chris lee is smarter. We trade our money for guys who are at best utility men or maybe the off chance we can find a guy who is a decent reliever. You could sign that in IFA easily.
Pirates’ Cole for Orioles’ Machado?
Both teams should be reloading
No way the pirates spend 30 million on an extension if he agrees to work one out. It’s a waste for the pirates
The Pirates don’t contend for their own division, let alone a championship, by adding Machado while KEEPING Cole. What makes you think trading Cole for a year of Machado makes them better?
It’s a lateral move. Nobody is beating the Cubs for the central the next two years.
The Cubs will begin to fall when their major actors reach free agency! it’s coming.
That’s quite a ways away
I suggested Cole FOR Machado. Not sure where you got the idea of keeping Cole while acquiring Machado. Perhaps you can’t read? Either way, the deal won’t happen because they both like bad deals. Meaning Machado and Cole will both be shipped out for basically nothing – quantity over quality.
Don’t bet the farm on that! The Cubs pitching is going downhill very fast!
Even up? Not a chance.
Agree. Cole is far more valuable. A possible ace is always better than a possible cornerstone 3B. Neither have reached their potential though.
The only way that kind of deal is done is if there is a window to negotiate an extension.
From what I’ve seen, The Phillies were pushing last night and the Yankees today. Probably offers with contract extensions included. Thing is Baltimore has 3 rotation spots open…Philly has a surplus of young starters more so than the Yankees, plus prospects and a huge checkbook just as deep as the Yankees right now.
The Phillies don’t have a surplus of young starters. They have a surplus of guys who may be #5 pitchers or nothing at all.
The Phillies have more money to spend than any other MLB team by a lot, like more than $100 million AAV more than any other team.
That’s exactly why they should spend nothing now and sign both Harper and Machado next winter.
Go get him Mo. Dejong traded or moved to third.
mo isn’t the gm anymore, where you been?
Theo isn’t the GM in chick either but how much do you think Jedd actually does?
Just like Theo isn’t the Cubs GM.
Mozeliak is still the head of baseball ops and has the final say.
Gotta get him to agree to an extension. What would it take? 10 yr, 350 mil with an opt-out after 3 years?
I would have the opt out at year 6
I would too if I had my way, but Machado is going to want to hedge against the possibility that Harper signs a $400 million deal next year.
You don’t get better by trading Dejong. Slide him to third and trade some of that young pitching.
If machado agrees to work out an extension only then would this trade be worth perusing
From stupid to oh yeah if there’s a window it’s a good trade.. lmao I’ve been reading teams would require a window for extension of Manny for a few weeks now its not like the guys who get paid to run,in some cases,billion dollar companies didn’t think if that bro
It’s stupid if there isn’t an extension window. That was my point from earlier. I didn’t make that clear lol
They should’ve shopped him last year. Not that the O’s won’t get something good for him right now, but they could’ve got two or three “something goods.”
Do it cardinals! Give them what they want!
Prediction is Phillies for players I probably dont want to give up as a Phillies fan.. 12 yr 360 million dollar extension. …ish
Manny Machado for Sixto Sanchez, Adonis Medina, Kevin Gowdy, Maikel Franco and Jhailyn Ortiz
10/320M extension with an opt out after year 5 (he’ll reenter FA at age 31)
Why would the orioles take that garbage. That’s 1 good prospect. Franco is trash.
Medina and Ortiz are possibly top 100 prospects. No way the Phillies give up all that.
The O’s would kick themselves for passing that deal up… Especially if he walks ..
The Phillies can get him now, if the front office steps up.
I can see
Sixto, Gowdy, Ortiz, Hammer being the main pieces, and then adding our expendibles on that makes sense for the O’s, like Joseph, galvis, Rupp, knapp, William or altherr. So many way for these teams to work it out. the Phillies will offer the most anyways, so MM might as well just realize that.
Crawford,Kingery,Herrera,Hoskins,Alfaro, and MM… Nice lineup… With another layer of top draft picks to refill the farm.
Get it done Klentak
He’s getting more than $320 million to stay off the market.
Lets see last night they wanted sanchez..kingery..galvis and a mlb pitcher or two last night was some of what i saw floating around.. Gotta be between 300 and 400 i would think.
Anybody hear what Brett Lawrie is up to think he would be a great pick up for the Brewers
I’m a Phillies fan, and I hope they wait until FA next year unless they believe someone else will trade for him and extend him. Just don’t give up too many prospects.
Rosenthal and his never ending infatuation with stirring the Orioles fan base into a frenzy. I don’t believe a word this man says about Baltimore.
2 of E-Rod, Groome, or JBJ, and additional prospects? Devers moves to DH and Bogaerts/Machado at SS and 3B. Boston can then allocate its FA money toward Lynn or Cobb, maybe even Darvish if they want to spend big. Really unlikely since that would cement Devers as a DH, but it is possible.
No way they trade intra-division.
It says doesn’t want to not that he won’t. If the best offer is from the Yanks or Sox then you have to consider it.
If they want to rebuild and contend in 2-3 years, they aren’t going to ship a top-5 player to a division rival.
And if you get 2-3 top 5 players back? It’s prospects you never know. Chances are he signs with one of them anyway. Why not take the prospects from them as well so they don’t have those to go with a top 5 player?
Why would Baltimore take on Bradley when they’re not close to contending and he’s basically the left-handed Adam Jones?
Well, I think they could use another outfielder, Jones is starting to get up there in age, he’s a great defender who can also hit for average, and his 2016 slash line shows the upside he offers. Even if you don’t want to take him on I just suggested 2 of the 3 so take the pitchers and prospects instead.
Doubt the Orioles would take that from the Sox for Machado. Still not sure they would even consider trading in their division.
This has the Cards written all over it. Need to negotiate in a signing window as well though I would think so as to lock him down long term. Couple of outfielders and a couple of pitchers and this is a done deal.
Reyes, O’Neill and Hudson?
No Reyes unless they get extension
No Reyes period, I couldnt see the Cardinals sending Reyes anywhere, even for Machado. He is their entire future currently
Machado is not going to pass up free agency, at this point.
I still say do it. Get that man and we’ll worry about keeping him next year.
You are prob right! He’s been waiting this long, what’s 1 more year? But he would sure look good with the Birds on the Bat.
I️ want him to stay with the O’s this year and then leave and sign with the up and coming White Sox he’d be a perfect fit
Yankees fan here, but what are the chances the Mets try to make a splash and steal the back page from the Yankees? David Wright is done, I think the Mets have accepted that and I think they’re ready to move on.
The Mets have the starting pitching to win now, but their offense is lacking. They’re looking at bringing back Jay Bruce, and Machado is still affordable for one year. Bringing back Bruce and putting Machado in the middle of that lineup between him and Cespedes makes the Mets scary good in the NL Least, and if they’re not contending at the deadline they can flip him for a net profit to a team that’s a piece away from making a run.
Legitimately curious what it would take for the Mets to get him.
How many pieces do the Mets have to trade? How many big trades can they make with them?
If you can guarantee to sign him then sure I could see them emptying the cupboard to bring him in. The odds of Machado not allowing himself to go to the open market is very very small.
Matz and Montero or Gsellman or Lugo? Possibly throw in Rosario? Seems light but maybe the Orioles take it?
@thetruth – way too light. I also don’t think there’s any way the Mets trade Matz right now. I think any package the Mets could offer has to start with Justin Dunn and David Peterson, probably kick in Gavin Cecchini too. The Mets don’t really have any highly regarded pitching in their system anymore. Montero would probably need to be included as well.
Did you even read my comment, though? I’m not even considering anything beyond next year from a Mets perspective. I’m considering that the Mets are two years removed from a trip to the World Series and their window to win is going to close a lot quicker than people think. Harvey is out of gas and needs a change of scenery, and do you really think they’re going to be able to afford all of Thor, DeGrom and Matz in a few years?
I’m considering next year and only next year. The Mets want to bring back Jay Bruce, which makes a lot of sense for them, but he’s not enough in and of himself to propel them into serious contention. They’re in dire need of someone at third, and Machado is the kind of guy who makes them instant favorites to win the NL East with their rotation. Who knows, maybe it even reenergizes Harvey for a season and they make a real run at a championship. And if not, they flip Machado at the deadline to a team in the hunt and fleece them for prospects.
Remember, this is the same front office that got Zack Wheeler for two months of Carlos Beltran a few years ago. I’m sure they could get A LOT more for two months of a perennial all-star in July.
What the heck is a platinum glove? And why does Machado have one?
The best defensive player in each league, irrespective of position, wins the “platinum glove.”
Seems like a good opportunity for STL if they can negotiate an extension, especially since Rosenthal reports that the Orioles are looking for two young controllable pitchers. Only one year of Machado makes it more difficult, but include an extension and this is a good matchup. Slide DeJong over to 3rd so Machado can play SS as well.
Cardinals could fill their desire of 2 MLB ready controllable starters, that’s a tall asking price for 1 year of service and no guarantee he will re-sign.
This would have to be a perfect storm trade. Someone that has young pitchers to spare and needs a 3b/ss to put them over the top for the post season. He’s unlikely to sign an extension unless he’s blown away with the offer. Which teams could add that much salary and give up young pitchers? I don’t see anyone in that position at the moment besides maybe the Cards. or the Mets.
(Sigh)
It’s hard to be an Orioles fan.
Whatever happens will be bad.
lots of folks point out that no one wanted to work for Angelos.
But it’s also true that no one else was the least bit interested in hiring Dan.
Wow a huge development, not that the O’s are willing to trade Machado, that the O’s are doing something smart 🙂
Machado is a great player but he will not get 325 million. We keep hearing about him and Harper getting 400 million. Harper may get 300 plus but not Machado
He will absolutely get 325 million.
11/12 year contract 30 million aav
325 will be the minimum he gets! Prob closer to 400 million at 12 years!
Nobody is giving up anything significant for him unless they can sign him to a long term deal in that 72 hour window that is allowed
I agree
Machado as a cardinal is a great fit. Flaherty Hudson O Neil. Would that get it done?
A bit much for only one year, I’d think. 5 wins at 8-10 million a win is around 40-50 million, less his projected 18 million arbitration salary is $32 million in excess value for 1 year. A grade 55 pitcher (Flaherty) is worth around $22 million, and a grade 55 hitter (O’Neil) is worth around $38 (per fangraphs a few years ago). With an extension, you may pull the trigger anyway, but without one, you’re significantly overpaying.
Flaherty and Hudson alone would be plenty, but I’d still want a negotiating window to sign a market value extension, since the Cardinals aren’t really built to put all their chips in for just this year.
Edit: Steamer has him at 6.3 next year, but I still think all three are a bit much. Toss in a few extra mid-level, or upgrade from Hudson to Alcantra, and I still think a deal could happen. O’Neil plus two pitchers is just too much. Piscotty or Grischuk, maybe, but O’Neil no.
If he would agree to $350 over 12, I’d offer that package in a heartbeat.
All day long if he signs that extension, but I don’t think he will .
The Pirates should trade a few of their young SP for Machado, sell a bunch of tickets, renegotiate the TV deal and then trade everyone at the deadline.
Theo? You reading? Baez, Tseng, Happ, Russell…two of these for Machado?
He told me he’s listening. Doesn’t have a mlbtr account though to reply
Hrmm…random thoughts…
Presumably the Orioles are going to insist on a mammoth haul of prospect value (understandably). Presumably no one is going to pay that price without working out an extension first (understandably). Presumably Machado and Boras are going to insist that an extension be precedent setting this close to free agency (understandably). I would imagine you are looking at a 10-12 year deal starting at least at $350MM with an opt-out somewhere around year 4 or 5 so he can cash in again at 30 or 31 if he is still healthy and performing. It is a little difficult to see all of that coming to fruition, but there are clubs poised to make it happen if Baltimore is serious.
I cannot, however, see the Orioles trading him within the division and then having to play him 18 times a year for potentially the next decade. The only way I see him in Yankee pinstripes is if he hits the open market. The question other teams have to ask themselves is: How much prospect value is there in acquiring him BEFORE he hits the open market and thus preventing a bidding war?
Is Boras even his agent?
Thought he was, but no. I should have checked that first.
Still, my point remains, it doesn’t make sense for him to sign an extension with anyone now unless it is a monster deal.
Machado is not a Boras client
I shutter to think what he would get if he was
Not yet
Even if a trade to NYY was possible, it would be foolish. NYY has Andujar; give him a year (or half year) to prove if he is the answer at 3B. They also have Torreyes, a decent fielder and .280ish hitter. They MIGHT be able to get Frazier on a one year deal. There are several better options than depleting the farm system for a player they don’t need now, and can sign in 2019.
I know the O’s would never do it, but I’d happily trade Xander Bogaerts + JBJ + pitching prospects if it meant we could get Machado and play him at SS.
And I would take that trade. Orioles need obp and the redsox need power plain and simple. Both teams benefit… and the Red Sox have the farm to pull it off
It’s time for a salary cap in baseball.
Salary cap is already here.
No I mean like a full on one like hockey
No it’s not! Not at all! It’s not a cap. It’s only a suggestive number!
Machado wants to play in Miami. Why do you think the Marlins just dumped Stanton’s contract for so little return?
Dodgers do something!!!!
They just signed Turner last off-season and have Seager at SS. No room at the inn.
Turner can play 2nd base
The White Sox could hopefully be in on trading for Machado with the condition that they get an extension signed with him.
Plenty of pitching prospects available for the white sox to offer. A deal could start with Fulmer/Lopez, add Dunning/Cease, and Jake Burger. Could very easily another lottery ticket player such as Micker Adolfo.
The White Sox don’t even have a rotation filled. Where did the “excess” pitchers come from? Kansas City and Cleveland both rose by pitching dominance. Chicago doesn’t need to trade what they themselves need.
Forget about Harper for a moment. The Cubs could offer Russell, Schwarber OR Happ, and their top two prospects for Machado. Plug him in at Short and you have one of the best infield’s in baseball history.
Cards could blow that offer away
Debatable if it’s Russell/Happ. If it’s Schwarber instead of Happ, then yes, they could. Otherwise, it’d come down to personal preference for the Orioles.
If the O’s want pitching, I’m sure the Cards could get Machado if they want him. But without an extension, they won’t, and shouldn’t, do it.
Believe Baez is going to Tampa for Archer. Schwarber plus to the Orioles.
I mean if you want those teams to hang up the phone as soon as possible
Cubs are not trading Schwarber for one year of Machado who is just a luxury the Cubs do not need
So your telling me the Cubs wouldn’t/shouldn’t trade Schwarber for Machado? Then I’m gonna say that you have to be the biggest idiot on this whole site! Sorry ! But you brought it on yourself!
Chisoxcity
Baltimore is looking for only two cost controlled pitching prospects. So why would the Cubs jump in and send Russell and Schwarber or Happ and their top two pitching prospects?
San Francisco and St Louis seem to be the best matches to me. Both desperate for an impact bat and has shown a willingness to take on a big salary should Machado sign an extension. No one else can offer the near major league level pitchers that Baltimore would want. And no, they won’t trade with the Yankees or Red Sox- quit dreaming. St Louis has better prospects (2 of Alcantara, Flaherty, Reyes or Weaver gets the deal done probably). Could even expand a deal to include Britton and some of the Piscotty, Grichuk, Gyorko, Wong, etc. group of expendables.. San Fran can offer a major league starter (Cueto or Samardja) and Beedle.
Realistically though, I doubt anything happens.
Why would baltimore want to pay big prices for cueto and shark? They can barely afford to bid on miguel gonzalez.
“… should Machado sign an extension.”
Not EVER going to happen.
Here we go AGAIN! Justin Upton 2.0
Yes and Upton was an idiot for foregoing free agency. I think Manny will be smarter.
He’s an idiot worth over $100 million dollars. I’d be okay with you thinking I was an idiot if I was worth that much.
He could have been worth more
A very rich idiot whos playing for the Angels. A team he wanted to play for
and who he signed an extension for AND gave up free agency! Which proved you WRONG! But u are prob right about Manny in this case anyway!
Who signing an extension with was not a prerequisite for playing with them and he could have gotten more money from them as a free agent.
But u don’t know that! It’s only ur opinion ! Accept it! Thanks!
It’s a fact. You just don’t get it. It’s okay.
It’s not a fact
It was proven there were other factors to signing! That was the proven fact. It was your opinion
It’s a fact but that’s ok.
on free agency
and you were WRONG! It’s not up to YOU!
And that’s the problem. He made a poor decision that potentially cost him millions of dollars.
Any way angels could swing donaldson? I heard toronto and o’s might be selling.
Kalhoun
Trout
Donaldson
Upton
Pujols
Ohtani
Simmons
2nd baseman
Maldonado
I think that could rival houston. Im not sure what angels would surrender but donaldson only has 1 year of control.
I want to see him flipped just to see what return he would get lol
Why would the Phillies want Machado? To make a run on the Braves and fourth in the division?
Pretty sure the idea is to get and then extend, or at least have in inside track over the yankees next offseason. You just know with stanton in NY now machado just became their #1 target. Don’t think phillies win that fight without some help.
He’s not taking an extension and trading for him now doesn’t give them any kind of “inside track” to signing him next offseason. There is only one way to get Machado beyond 2018 and I think you know what that is…
Trading for Machado now only makes sense if you seriously think you can win a championship in 2018.
Klentak would be dumb enough to mortgage some future for a guy who hasn’t helped Baltimore win anything special. Pitching staff is a complete joke. Why get a Machado when you have a AA staff. If I’m Machado I laugh at the phillies right now, and yes i’m a phillies fan.
Prospects are just that. The Drabeks and d’Arnauds for Halladay and whoever else we gave up for Cliff Lee turned out to be zeros.
The prospects MIGHT not contribute to the next good Phillies team. Machado DEFINITELY won’t.
He’ll be suiting up for the Phillies soon enough. If not 2018 then 2019.
If they’re going to have to outbid everyone else in free agency to get him to sign with the team anyway, why would they want to give up prospects on top of that?
Manny Machado for Chris Archer. Or is that not enough to get the elite number 1 starter Chris ( cy young) Archer?
Why so angry??
Not a fan of overrated Archer.
Not enough to get Machado
The Rays will never be able to afford the Manny Machados in MLB ! Sorry! But that’s just the facts!
A little curious that the Dodgers didnt get a mention in the rundown of most of the clubs, in the article. Turner fits at 2nd, surely they would be in on Machado after the heart break of the Fall Classic. Needless to say, the Dodgers have plenty of options that would woo the Orioles in terms of prospects.
3 year to Phillies
Lol I wouldn’t be doing anything without 72 hr extension window
@bank on it
So what will you do with the 72 hour window? Work out an extension with Machado? Hahahhaha
For real. Why does everyone think it is so easy to extend a perennial All Star just entering his prime who is only a year from free agency? Machado goes to the highest bidder one year from now.
Machado for Parker Bridwell straight up. LOL!
Machado for Strasburg who says no?
Deal won’t happen–although maybe it should. One team that thinks it’s on the cusp, and will offer a QO afterwards to replace some of the talent they will pay now.
Kyle Lewis, Sam Carlson, Evan White, Gamel, Kyle Seager and Marco Gonzalez for Machado, Jones and Brach. With the money saved from trading the Mariners sign Arietta or Darvish. Go all in 2018 to end the playoff drought, if it’s not working at the deadline start inevitable rebuild then, if they do make the playoffs, sell off all assets during the off-season.
I would hate that if I was a Mariners fan.
Hate trying to end a playoff drought?
Hate trading away potential big pieces of the future for a 1 year shot at the playoffs.
You are some kind of special kid.
They haven’t made the playoffs in 16 years, and we are nearing a total rebuild. So why not go all in on one more try, if it’s not working mid season they can sell then. If it does that means the drought will end and fans will be satisfied.
If they can’t keep a competitive roster for 2019 trade Paxton, Haniger, Diaz, Healy, Darvish/Arietta if signed, Segura, Gordon and Leake. And since this is saying they would be coming off a playoff season would mean that the players would have all had really good years. Trading them would result in a farm way way better than Lewis and a couple other low rated prospects.
What $$ they saving by acquiring Machado and Jones exactly?
Kyle Seager is getting paid about 20 million a year for the next 4 years. So 2018 would basically be a wash, but hey would save 20 million a year after that.
Now that would be quite the offseason cashman….holy smokes haha
Peter Angelos don’t care about whats best for his team. The yankees could probably make a offer better then other teams, but he wouldn’t do it because its the Yankees. Maybe you should focus on doing whats best for your team instead of hating on another team because its a division team.
Maybe he realizes that the Yankees could easily extend Machado, and then his team would have to face him for the next 10+ years. Is that really in the best interest of the Orioles? Unless the Yankees are offering Torres (which I don’t see them doing) in addition to Adams AND another TOP prospect or two, other teams can easily match or top that offer. All things being equal (or close to equal), they’re better off moving him out of the division. If the Yankees blew everyone else out of the water with a proposal, I’m sure the Orioles would have no problem taking it.
Yankees can’t easily extend Machado. They can afford to sign him in a year but that would be the case even if they didn’t trade for him now.
Machado will not sign an extension, he will test free agency no matter what.
Silly
The White Sox are not pursuing Machado. It’s either due diligence to better gauge a potential return for Abreu, or as part of a 3 team deal, where the Sox get prospects.
or the O’s would allow a negotiation window and the Sox are willing to pay big time for him
No
White Sox wouldn’t be offering him his preferred position or nearly enough $ to keep him from going to FA.
Or, O’s are planting the story because the White Sox have so many quality arms.
Sox interest isn’t real.
.
I’m not saying it’s likely, far from it, I just wouldn’t totally discount it. Maybe they would be willing to give up Tim Anderson as part of the package for him if they were able to work out an extension with Machado
There’s no “if” wrt to Manny taking an extension. Just like there was no “if” wrt Chapman taking one two summers ago and Justin Upton three years ago.
Joe WTF. Why would Machado work out an extension with the White Sox without testing the free agent waters?
Machado is not working out an extension with the White Sox in a 72 hour window. Get over it
What about Justin Upton
and free agency this summer? You know when he re-upped with the Angels? Remember?
Which he was an idiot for doing
In which u were WRONG about ! U r not always right
Admit it
and get over it!
You’re the one who keeps commenting about it so I think we know who needs to get over it. And once again, forgive me for expecting Upton to act in his own best interest.
But again, it’s his life and career! Not yours and not up to YOU! There are always other factors to signing besides money ! It’s been proven before ! Thanks!
Like what? What other factors are there? Literally anything you say, he would have gotten as a free agent anyway along with more money.
You don’t know that! It’s your opinion
Yeah I do now
Stop commenting like
This you duashnozzle
Angelos is not going to trade Machado to the Yankees unless they totally blew him away (Torres+), and Cashman isn’t going to trade a ton of prospect value for one year of Machado. It’s not happening.
1 yr of Machado with him making about 17 million only has a surplus value of 20 million. Two decent but not great prospects about covers that. Two years of Manny might get you a Torres.
Of course if they allow a team to work out an extension before the trade you might get a lot better return. Torres wont be available but Sheffield and Frazier would as well as Andujar
why would a rebuilding white sox team want machado? I Know they have the young pitching the o’s would want but that wouldn’t make sense
They wouldn’t
because they won’t be rebuilding for the next 15 years and maybe they want one of the best players on their team.
Trading for him gets him on your team for next year. Not for the next 15 years.
thanks Einstein, as many have alluded to including myself, it would only make sense for a team like the White Sox to trade for him if they were to work out an extension beforehand.
Which means it doesn’t make sense.
And Manny should agree to that because…?
He understands that taking $325 million NOW is probably better than risking an injury to get an extra $20 million in a year.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA $325m. If you think that is what it will take to extend Machado you’re in for a rude awakening buddy.
Why would they want to pay the price to have one of the best players on their team for one year and also that one year that they are not in a position to contend even with Machado?
the only way the white sox do this is if machado signs 72 hour extension window which he wont.
Why the Cardinal interest in Donaldson and not interested in Machado??? They both are one year players. Then to Free Agency. I’d rather have Machado at ss for a year. That’s position he wants to play. DeJong to 3d. Machado might be the one that stays.
Makes no sense for a rebuilding team like the Phillies, White Sox or Braves to trade for Machado. If you are going to have to outbid everyone else in free agency to keep him beyond 2018 anyway why would you give up prospects on top of that?
The White Sox beating the market to trade for Machado would be one of the oddest baseball things I’ve ever seen
If they could get him to sign an extension, it’d make a ton of sense. I personally don’t see it happening prior to free agency, but it could happen.
If he wanted to sign an extension it would have happened by now.
Extremely debatable. We aren’t talking about one of the “desirable” markets or his hometown/favorite team. There could be MANY reasons why he doesn’t want to sign an extension in Baltimore. If he was holding out while playing for the Yankees, Dodgers, Cubs, or whoever his favorite team used to be, then you’d have a point.
While I think it’s extremely likely he enters free agency next year, I refuse to believe that him not wanting to sign longterm in Baltimore is proof that he won’t sign an extension anywhere.
Yeah, why not? This is the organization I play for, this is the organization I love.” -Machado when asked if he’d be interested in staying in Baltimore beyond 2018.
Yeah, sounds like a guy who wants out of Baltimore LOL!
Yah, because there are so many examples of guys saying they can’t wait to leave their current organization.., Players are always 100% genuine. I forgot about that. My bad.
I know he’s not going to outright say “Fxxk these guys, I’m leaving as soon as I can.” But I don’t think he’d say what he said if he wasn’t open to the idea of staying in Baltimore. He’d just avoid answering the question or give a generic “We’ll just see what happens” answer.
If yankees got machado id stop watching baseball.
So says the guy with an avatar of the team with the highest payroll in baseball.
From a non Yankees fan standpoint, wouldn’t it be even better if they got him and didn’t win?
The Orioles might be better off waiting til July to trade him. The teams in contention are likely to be desperate enough to give up more than what Baltimore wants right now
Why would you give up more for 2 months of Machado than a full season of Machado and a draft pick?
Desperation makes teams do funny things.
No. By then they may be competing with the Jays who may try and trade Donaldson. Getting to market first counts
Give up more in July then two top pitching prospects for two months of Machado? Why would a team then not do it now and have him for the entire year then get a draft pick back to boot?
And to anyone who tries to defend the idea of the Phillies trading for Machado on the grounds that “prospects panning out isn’t guaranteed.” It might not be but you know what is guaranteed? MACHADO NOT PLAYING FOR THE NEXT CONTENDING PHILLIES TEAM UNLESS THEY OUTBID EVERYONE ELSE IN FREE AGENCY WHICH THEY DON’T HAVE TO GIVE UP ANY PROSPECTS TO DO!
*Other than a high draft pick due to QO
Which won’t be nearly as valuable as the prospects they would have to give up to trade for Machado now. And he won’t even come with a QO attached if the Orioles end up trading him at the deadline.
Agreed
That, I will agree with for sure!
Not every FA signs with the team that bids the highest. Ask Ohtani. Ask Heyward.
The Cubs
and the opt-out contract was worth more than what the Cards offered Heyward!
FACT: The Cubs gave Heyward two opt-outs while the Cardinals gave him none.
Also FACT: Opt-outs are ALWAYS player-friendly and increase the intrinsic value of the contract even if Heyward ultimately doesn’t end up using them.
I will agree with you on this! Always! Cuz it’s fact
Cards, stay away!!
It’s difficult to find a suitor.
Cards seem like the best fit, but they won’t trade the farm for a rental. And they’d have to shuffle positions (carp to 1B or dejong to second, Jose Martinez to LF but he’s a poor outfielder).
Yankees are a rival.
Rox, Cubs, Snakes, Brewers won’t want to give up the prospects for what would be an upgrade not an overhaul.
Angels and Giants don’t seem to have the prospects.
Red Sox are rivals.
Overall I’d expect Angels and Giants to be the favorites and the O’s realize they aren’t getting 2 elite prospects back.
I honestly think he’s going to the Yankees. Might be able to get the best offer from there.
The Orioles are in a similar position to the one the Royals were in last year and I expect them to do what the Royals did at least to start the season. If they aren’t firmly in the Wild Card mix at the deadline they will trade Manny to the highest bidder. The added premium impact players carry at the deadline will somewhat help to make up for Manny coming with 2 months of control as opposed to a full season and the loss of the right to QO him.
I can see Machado being interested in taking an extension if the money is right. There is some incentive to getting that contract now as opposed to a year from now as it eliminates the risk of injuries or per performance hurting his earning potential.
The key, however, is the “if the money is right.” Machado has little incentive to sign a team friendly extension this close to free agency and it is odd to see so many people acting like an extension is the key to the deal or brings the acquiring team so much more value when in reality i’d be shocked if that’s the case. If they offer him enough money that he agrees to an extension, they likely would have been able to afford him in free agency without giving up prospects to get him.
It all comes down to money! If he’s traded to the right team
and the offer him a boatload of money, he could sign! It’s a possibility ! But don’t confuse that with probability !
Would Sheffield, Andujar, and a lower prospect or two get it done for Machado? A lineup of Judge, Stanton, Sanchez, and Machado should be illegal!
Red Sox should get involved. Offer Boegarts, Hanley Ramirez, Brian Johnson, Jason Groome, Pomeranz for Machado and Chris Davis . Should be plenty for 1 yr of Machado and a bad contract offset only partially by Hanley. He can play SS and Davis at 1B gives them LH power.
Lol
Manny Machado Really Needs To Be A Yankee,Along With Bryce Harper.
You Really Need To Stop Typing Like This.
Oakland is said to be in on Machado.
No way machado signs an extension with the A’s or White Sox for that matter lol
$$$ talks
Yankees = New manager and spending spree? Sounds good!
The White Sox?
Hard to believe they are seriously considering Manny Machado, who as great as he is, would still be a one year rental. If the Orioles trade him that would be a clear signal that they are in rebuild mode and would want some top prospects in exchange for him. Of course, few teams in MLB have the prospect coin that the Orioles would seek, especially in young power arms. Just can’t see Chicago pursuing such a deal while still in the midst of their own rebuild unless Jerry Reinsdorf is willing to meet Machado’s asking price to avoid free agency follow the 2018 season. That would be an extreme long shot and hardly typical of “The Chairman of the Board”.
Fans have to appreciate a player like Machado who made his MLB debut just one month after turning 20-years old in 2012. There aren’t a whole lot of MLB players who enter their initial free agency at age 26 which Machado will be at this time next offseason. He’ll be looking at a Joey Votto/Giancarlo Stanton type contract extension to keep him out of FA next winter. He’ll also prioritize a contract extension from a team that would be willing to let him play SS at the onset of such a deal.
This is all very fine and safe, but let’s ask some questions before playing GM. Welington connection? Does Machado know/respect anyone currently on the team? Welington is fired up. Does Machado want to work with RR? Clubhouse?
The only way a deal like this goes down is if it’s a fit.
What are the Yankees doing here? Just driving the trade up? They can’t be seriously in play.
Driving up the price or Angelos using them to do so is likely
How would trading Machado necessarily indicate a complete rebuild? On the contrary, it could be a sign of the opposite, that they want to continue to try to compete this year and into the future by turning one year of over great player into multiple years of good player, which would help the fill out their roster and build depth and replace some of Machado’s production that they would have lost anyway.
Tim Anderson and Avisail Garcia could be a start, then add in a couple of advanced pitching prospects, maybe Giolito who has seen his value dip but could still be good. Or replace Garcia with one of their outfielders that emerged last year. There are a lot of options for a trade that wouldn’t kill the White Sox. Even if you have to include another good prospect (eg one of the guys they got for Quintana) it could still work for them.
Of course they would try to extend Machado, they have no long term money committed.
Personally I don’t really want the Yankees to trade for Machado. I’d rather take the chances signing him as a free agent instead of dealing the farm. Especially when those prospects can help get a pitcher
I don’t want the Yankees to get Manny either. Before we got Torres I did but getting him combined with Stanton didn’t make Manny a need anymore
He would be a great fit for the cards and the Phillies (if they improve their pitching).
I honestly don’t know why the Orioles would be hesitant to trade Machado to another AL East team if that’s where the best offer comes from. It’s only for one year. If anything, it’s the other AL East teams that should be hesitant about trading for Machado because they’ll have to give up impact prospects then face those impact prospects for the next decade possibly.
Machado will be finding a new home at Citizens Bank Park eight either this year or next.
Why would the rebuilding Phillies trade for him now? They’re going to have to beat the market to sign him no matter what so might as well do it in a year and keep their prospects.
The idea for Phils might be to get their foot in the door and hope Machado/Phils fit like a glove.
Its a tough sell for them otherwise.
i dont see why any Top tier free agent would sign with Philly on the open market. I Think they are dreaming if they think they can just wait until next offseason and think Machado will choose them in free agency.
They would sign with the Phillies because they offered the most money. Trading for Machado now doesn’t give the Phillies any inside track to signing him. If they are going to have to beat the market to sign him anyway why would they want to give up controllable talent on top of that?
wow the cards won’t give up top prospects for a 1 year rental but will give up prospects for a 2 year rental that had 1 good season out of 4 “better look out for us with our awesome trades were going walk right to a tittle” (that last part was sarcasm)
Top? They didn’t give up a prospect in the top 100 and Ozuna has had 3 good years and 1 great year and will make half what Manny will make this year coming off his worst season. Ozuna also more likely to do an extension than Manny seeing he is 2 years away
Machado and Bruce put up nearly identical numbers last year just saying
Didn’t know Bruce was an elite defensive 3B too
Mets should be on this like no ones’ business
The extension window thing is not up to machado the deal just staying pending between the teams and if he wants to sign or is willing to sign the deal goes through if not it fails.
Rutherford, Adams and Davidson get it done ?
And the White Sox should trade for a rental player because…?
White Sox have the most chips of anyone at the meetings.
I can’t imagine Rick Hahn keeps his roster and logjam of OF prospects in tact.
Rutherford, Adolfo, Cordell & Tilson all have high profiles to pair with one of their pitching prospects like Adams, Fulmer, Sanchez, Burdi
Could send two from each group and Tim Anderson on a sweetheart contract. That would be a major return on Machado and the white sox would be able to change their trajectory/timeline and win another one for the chairman.
A lot to give up for a one-year shot at a Wild Card spot. Especially for a team that finished with the fourth worst record in baseball this past season.
Sure, they’ll just need 2 TOR starters, a closer, a 3B, a LF, a CF and DH. The White Sox are FAR from the playoffs, be patient.
I would hate to be a fan of a team who’s owner and GM care more about not wanting to a deal with a certain team because they’re rivals compared to one that does deals that makes the team better. t if a team has the best offer out there, then it shouldn’t matter if its in the same division or not. Do whats best for your team and your fans,
Your team doesn’t get better when you stack a team you play 18 times a year and make them practically unbeatable.
It’s only for one year where the O’s aren’t going to contend anyway. The Yankees are the ones who should be hesitant because they would have to trade impact prospects to a division rival to get him.
But you play the division rival 19 times a year. You dont want to make them better too
Trade for him and immediately announce an extension?
How in the world can you trade for Machado and immediately announce an extension? Does not Machado have a say in it. And Machado is not signing an extension.
Do you even think before you post
Hello Ryan! Is that you?
If Im the Phils I would tell Baltimore to pick 1 position player and 1 SP off the MLB roster not named Hoskins/Nola.
Hope Machado and Phils have a good season and sign an extension.
Odubel Herrera and say Vince Velasquez is a fair trade for both sides imo.
Giving up Herrera for a rental isn’t worth it. I wouldn’t do that straight up
Im obviously not as big on Herrera as you are . Hes a very good player and has potential but hes also a bit flaky and you drive you nuts for the next 5 years. If he could help me land Machado I wouldnt give it a second thought. Gone.
If Machado. doesnt work out you flip him in July to recoup an asset or 2
Why not wait a year, sign Machado in free agency and keep Herrera?
And the rebuilding Phillies should give up Herrera and Velasquez for a rental because…?
To gain legitimacy not only in MLB but in their own sports market. They need a Manny Machado desperately , certainly worth trading a couple good young players for.
The idea is to cozy up to Machado and convince Manny that Philadelphia is the place to be….. Keep in mind Philadlephia is a giant media market arguably 2nd only to the NYY in MLB.. Back in 2010 when the NYY,Phils,Red Sox were all contenders the Phils were #1 in attendance and came in a close 2nd to NYY lead in nightly tv viewers. NYY 307,000 viewers, the Phils were a close 2nd at 297,000, Red Sox about 230,000. And teams like the LA Dodgers a laughable 135,000.
LOL!!!!!! Trade prospects to “gain legitimacy!” That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard on this site and that’s saying something. No smart GM would EVER trade prospects for a theoretical intangible!
If the Phillies really want him, nothing says they can’t sign him in free agency. They have the money and they are going to have to outbid everyone else in free agency to sign him no matter what so why not wait a year? Exact same outcome, except they keep their prospects.
Top markets: NYC, LA, Chicago, Boston
Herrera and Velasquez arent prospects genius, they are both MLB players. good expendable players if it means landing a player of machado’s caliber.
When the Phillies put out a competitive product once every 20 years Philadlephia is arguably the #2 Market in MLB.
They will be tops in attendance, merchandising and maybe a tick behind the NYY in tv viewers but very close and at arms length ahead of everyone else.
Philadlephia largest market in MLB with just 1 team.
Chicago TV market has 3.4 M households(2 teams) Philadephia 3 M tv households (1 ) team, Boston has about 2.4 M Tv households. No one in LA watches baseball. LA market Tv ratings are an absolute joke.
Answer this question who is more likely to contribute to the next good Phillies team: Velasquez/Herrera or Machado?
Look bro, the goal isn’t to “put out a competitive product.” It is to build a sustainable contender. Trading for Machado, a free agent in one year’s time, doesn’t do that.
Well said Ryan
Philly IS NOT the second biggest media market
The orioles have 39 million coming off the books and if you factor in the theoretical 34mill , machado(17) Britton (12) brach (5), leaving in trades, there is no reason the orioles can’t compete. They have the money to sign a Lorenzo Cain/Carlos Gonzalez and an Alex Cobb/Lance Lynn. Potentially even a 1 year deal for Todd Frazier. If they aquire a starting pitcher in the machado trade that is a legit 4 man rotation. We can still have a productive bull pen behind Mychael Givens (becomes closer) and Darren O’day. We can keep fans coming to Camden but also add building blocks to a Givens/Bundy/Harvey/Schoop/Mancini/Sisco/Hays/ and even Miguel Castro
However in my short 16 year life I have seen the lackluster Duquette and incompetent Angelos infuriate the orioles fan base. Truly I feel for older orioles fans who have suffered longer than I have. Also Angelos has 3-7 years left in his life. With all that money why not go for a World Series ring?
Duquette was GM during two of the most important acquistions in Red Sox history, Pedro and Manny. He built most of the 2004 championship team that broke the curse. I don’t think he’s the problem.
16? Don’t go to Alabama.
Clearly they won’t do this though
“It seems the Yankees would want to include Jacoby Ellsbury in a a Machado deal to help them stay under the competitive-balance tax threshold, but Sherman doubts he’d waive his no-trade clause to go to Baltimore.”
Not to mention, why would Baltimore want Ellsbury?
They wouldn’t want Ellsbury and they don’t really need Machado. They need to start rebuilding now. Looks like last place in this upcoming season.
That’s exactly what I thought. BAL wouldn’t want him unless NYY paid down his contract by at least 3/4. Even so I’m not sure they’d want him.
Fulmer and Anderson to the O’s for Machado gets it done
Why not wait a year, sign Machado and keep Fulmer and Anderson?
Moving Tim Anderson in the deal would free up the SS position for Machado in 2018 but does trading two young players with a combined 13 years of team control for only one guaranteed season of Manny Machado make much sense for the rebuilding White Sox?
If the White Sox aren’t successful in negotiating a contract extension for Machado prior to the summer trade deadline would they then get a return comparable to the value of both Fulmer and Anderson in any subsequent deal?
Makes absolutely zero sense. And the writers agree with me that Machado has no incentive to take an extension.
What writers? JKB?
The guys who write for this site
Yes Fulmer and Anderson would get it done. It would be a stupid trade by the White Sox but it would get it done
Wait, pause. Why would the Orioles take back a bad contract in a Machado trade? He has enough value that they can trade him for a good return without also taking a bad contract.
Maybe they add Chris Davis to the deal?
I think the Cards go after him. If they offer a package headlined with any of Weaver/Reyes/Flaherty the O’s should jump on it. They can’t sign pitching to save their life.
Mets could also offer some combo of young SP.
I don’t think the Cardinals would trade weaver or reyes because they are clearly trying to win now and those 2 will for sure contribute this year. i would think flaherty and oneil would for sure get the job done. Cards would probably start with like flaherty, sosa, and a lower top 30 prospect.
Of course the Yankees would want to ditch Ellsbury in a Machado Trade. Why not? They’ve gotten every other thing that they’ve wanted.
There will be battles for first place and battles for last place next season…nobody wants to finish middle of the pack! Miami, Detroit, O’s, Jays, Rays, all vying for last place
Throw the Royals and hopefully the Padres into that mix.
Machado for Devers. Straight up.
Orioles fan? No thanks! We can go after him in free agenncy. You can have xander and JBJ.
What if Angelos and his former Red Sox GM traded Manny and Chris Davis for Steven Wright, Brian Johnson, Henry Owens and Hanley Ramirez. Red sox move Boegarts to 2B and Pedroia to DH
Orioles then sign CC and Frazier
why on earth would the orioles take that? Didn’t owens just get DFA’d?
I know I will be in the VAST minority but I feel as though Machado is mostly name value. He had 2 strong years of hitting (other than 33 HR, 2017 was subpar), and while he is an elite defender, people say he’s worth mountains more than Andrleton Simmons who’s probably the best. Like I really don’t get it, as he also has been playing in Baltimore which is a hitter’s park correct? I’d be afraid to give up SOO much for someone who might be a great defender, but an eh bat. Donaldson is apparently cheaper, and has a much better track record. He isn’t the defender Machado is but you’re gonna get good defense. I don’t get it.
I’m gonna be sick if the Cardinals really deal half the farm for a year of Machado.
I feel the same way about the rebuilding White Sox.
2X Gold Glove SS
30-40 HR potential
.860-.880 OPS when healthy
25 years old
They barely make them any better than that!
This won’t be popular with those of you who only look at names but I’d rather have Machado than Kris Bryant (take away his career #s vs the Reds and see what that does to his stats + look at his postseason stats, average).
I agree that he’s a very good player, and if he would agree to an extension, I’d be perfectly fine with the Sox making a big move. If he won’t agree to an extension, then it makes no sense to move high end prospects for him at this point in time.
But those “when healthy” years were all of 2 years in his 5 (i think) year career. Past that I believe all of his OPS numbers were sub .800, which is less than ideal, let alone worth $300M. Like I said, he’ll get you a gold glove, maybe drive some HRs, but past that I wouldn’t look for significant production.
I’ve watched him play everyday since he came up. He’s a superstar and his numbers will better reflect that when he’s with a real team. That team is probably not the White Sox
I could be wrong but I don’t see machado signing an extension with the White Sox. I only think he considers signing an extension after a trade for specific teams if one of them does land him
Do you see someone who calls himself “Mr. Miami” willingly signing with any smaller market team?
Does he really call himself that ? Wow unreal lol
Yeah, that’s his “nickname,” which I believe he originated.
Oh boy. I can’t imagine the price being THAT high if he comes without an extension, but we’ll see.
I know they’re interested in young pitchers, and the Sox have a decent amount of those. I can’t see anyway they trade Rodon for a rental, so I’m assuming he’s off the table. Outside of him, the only guys I wouldn’t have any interest in moving are Kopech, Hansen, and Dunning. Some combo of the other guys would be ok with me. I’d prefer not to give up Lopez and/or Giolito, but I’d be ok with moving one of them if necessary.
The Rosenthal report mentions Giolito or Kopech but not both. If it’s Giolito and some prospects outside their top 10, YES PLEASE!
I really hope Hahn isn’t dumb enough to trade Kopech for 1 year of Machado. If he put Kopech on the table, I’m pretty sure a deal would already be done. I don’t think he is that dumb, but we’ll see.
As predicted, Hahn didn’t turn crazy overnight and has offered NO top prospects to the O’s. This is feasible for a one year. Machado doesn’t want to be there anymore.
Prediction 2 – He got off the phone with Beef and is beginning to see the light
as a white sox fan im pissed!!! he only makes sense as a nucleus piece if he is extended…thats a gamble
How pissed would the Orioles be if the White Sox turned around and traded Machado to NYY or BOS for Torres or Devers? That would be hilarious.
That would be the most petty thing ever that could happen to Baltimore lmaoooooo
That being said we are in amazing shape without machado and I absolutely love torres, I don’t want cashman to trade for him
Torres is basically untouchable, and the Yankees have said this for a while now. They won’t trade the #1 prospect in MLB for only 1 year of anyone.
Makes no sense unless the CWS intends to flip him. As someone suggested earlier, thats probably the Yankees since the Orioles woukd be reluctant to deal with them direct. Of course, if the Orioles were looking for pitching they probably needed the CWS anyways in a 3 way deal with the Yankees who have mostly hitters to offer.
My take is this is a 3 way deal in the making that takes place in 2 stages
It’s going to be hilarious when Peter Angelos doesn’t allow this trade.
Baltimore gave up as soon as they heard Stanton was coming
Up vote
The Indians could throw a package together
Salazar / Mejia / Urshela and Brinson
for
Machado / Davis
providing that the Indians would get a 72 hour window to try and get a 5 year deal done with Machado
No way he signs only a 5 year deal
Your Dreaming man!
Why in the world would Machado sign a 5 year extension when he will have all the leverage next year to ink a ten year mega deal?
If I’m the Orioles, I’m not trading him to anyone in the same division.
Why not? Wouldn’t it be better to take away a couple of good prospects from division foes instead of Machado possibly signing with them next year and you get nothing for it?
If a team in your division offers the best package, then wouldn’t it be the best thing for the team to take the best offer. Or is losing better because then your not helping a rival out
Teams that are afraid to trade in their own division speaks volume as to the credibility of the organization. What are you afraid of? Take the best deal for YOUR team
Hopefully the white sox get Machado, then he’l be available at the deadline again and not for that high of a price.
Or he tears it up and there becomes abiding war, effectively driving up the asking price
@dkells16
I disagree. Isn’t tearing it up what would be expected from that type of player? That is not driving the price up or having a bidding war.
If he had an average year and was put on the market at the break do you not think multiple teams would already be interested
I love Machado and I would be able to watch him more but then again I don’t want him in the division
Baltimore should know that as soon as he goes to the White Sox he’s just getting flipped to the Yankees, because why would a non-contending team need a rental? That way the Sox could demand top prospects from the Yanks, even more so than others, because they can flip him virtually anywhere, but the Yanks will want him most. They want to put Boston out of contention, and beat Houston. So if I’m Baltimore, while they have the most appealing prospects, I don’t deal with the White Sox. You’ll get comparable prospects elsewhere, that way you don’t have to see him in the division.
As previously stated, I’m against the Cardinals getting Machado, but if I’m Baltimore, that’s who I’m doing business with. It’s not like he’ll sign an extension in St Louis, he’s clearly a large market player. So since they don’t want him with the Yanks, don’t hand him over to the ChiSox. Get the next best prospects from the Cardinals, pray he won’t sign with the Yanks the next season. I will say this as well, the Cardinals probably have some of the best financial ability to sign Machado as well. While large markets like the Dodgers, Yanks, Cubs, are loaded, none want to pay luxury tax, and both are struggling to rectify that problem. Cardinals won’t have that problem, but the money will have to be screaming for that kind of consideration.
It’s not like he’ll sign an extension period!
@companyassassin
Here is the problem with your theory. The Cardinals are NOT stupid. They are not only NOT doing something like that they even came out a few days ago and specifically said so. They even said it was because doing so would be stupid and they are not
So now the Sox are going to trade top prospects to Baltimore to flip him to the Yankees for top prospects???
The Yankees have pitching prospects as good as Koepek? No.
Regardless of the avenue , at the end of the day … Machado a Yankee .. This has been the plan for a while.
Not sure how “strong offer” credited to Hahn is defined, but hope it ends up something like……Fulmer and Cease as the young highly touted arms O’s could use and Tim Anderson. Parting with Kopech would be counterproductive.
I think that trade would be counter productive. Cease, Guerrero, and Luis Basabe would be the only specs that the Sox should move to get him unless they can negotiate and long term extension. Anderson’s game was looking much better at the end of the season and he had a lot of crap going on in his personal life. Fulmer still has the potential to be a high-end reliever. The Sox are a year or 2 away from competing and Machado had a down year. If the Sox give up real prospects and players than we are gonna to have the superstar and scrubs team we had before the rebuild. That would suck.
White Sox offer has been reported to include one of Giolito or Koepek and more. That is why its the strongest offer
I’m cool with Giolito. If it’s Kopech, I’d be pissed – assuming they can’t agree to a long term extension beforehand.
I’d be pissed either way. 5 yrs of control for Giolito is better than one year of control for Machado during a non-contending year. Even if there’s an extension in place, it’s still paying 5yrs for 1 and then adding a bunch of money to it since they could have signed him as an FA next year.
Because first of all, if the players offered for Machado were so great, why make the trade? Second, you don’t want Machado kicking your ass all the time because you traded him to a divisional opponent
Those 3 suggested are certainly based on an extension being solidified. Has to be some pain to land a star. Fulmer can start as he did tail end of 2017 to satisfy ML ready O’s statement. Anderson plugs in day 1 lineup somewhere. Cease they have to be patient. WSox would still have Gio/Lopez/Kopech/Hansen/Dunning besides recovering Rodon if still concerned about depth.
Chavis, scherff, mata, ball or Johnson for machado and oday. No negotiation window.
Machado to the White Sox for Tim Anderson, Adams and fulmer. With the negotiation window
Really hoping the White Sox don’t get Machado. Why trade prospects for a guy who is very likely to test the open market next year? Yeah, they’d get picks back if he goes elsewhere, but they’re not in contention this year, so why not just wait and try to sign him as a FA?
The actually would only get one pick and not even a first round pick.
I agree with you. But this would be a bold gamble by Hahn which I respect. I do not think they can extend him. As for signing him in Free agency next year I would not see that happening as of now. But I think the only chance they would have to sign him long term would be by having him on the team all year and if a buzz is created and he likes it that may give them a shot in free agency. Along of course with $350 million. Lol
Oh, you’re right. I was thinking 2nd and 5th are the new rules, but that’s for teams who haven’t gone over their int’l pool, isn’t it? I don’t know, maybe Machado surprises all of us (like Ohtani just did) and accepts an extension right after the trade. I wouldn’t trade for him, though, without the assurance that he’d be with the Sox for more than a year. If this were 4 years in the future and adding him gave them legitimate title hopes, fine, but not now.
Why not bring him over for lower prospects on a one year, see if he works out with organization and game on for his FA next year when other top FA’s hit the market too? Good chance Machado may want to stay with Chicago – Welington, RR, good story – rebuild of the decade buzz.
Or go to the Yankees, take the money and be nobody special. Hmmm…
The Marlins should trade for him and then flip him to the Yankees…tell me THAT wouldn’t get everyone fired up? Bahaha!!
Now that the Cardinals have Ozuna, there’s no need for them to sell the farm just to get a year of Machado. They already have a very good third baseman in Jedd Gyorko.
Gyorko is very good??? Ur crazy.
The Cards, Giants, White Sox etc should b willing to do everything possible to get him away from the Yanks. If the Yanks get Machado that’s the scariest lineup in the Bigs. Do I think the Yanks empty the farm for him. No I don’t. But I think they can put together a solid offer and probably get him. Then work to resign him. But, from the reports it’s looking like Machado wants to play short and the Yanks have DiDi so who knows
Why would the White Sox care about getting him away from the Yankees? It’s not like they’ll be competing against the Yankees for championship next year…
I didn’t say they would b directly competing for championships next year or the following. But those team would have to eventually beat the Yanks, Red Sox, Astros, Cubs, Dodgers etc. u don’t compete with those teams with Tim Anderson or Paul DeJong or whatever third base guy the Giants bring up from there horrible farm.
Go n git Manny Rick. If we can get him for Anderson, Cease, Dunning, Gotta do it. Cards got a deep farm as well if they wanna shoot the moon we got no shot. If ChiSox can get him on the Southside gotta believe they’ll show Manny enuff in 2018 for him to consider staying. Been telling everyone Jerry doesnt have the patience or time for an extended rebuild & with ML talent Hahn had to offer it shouldnt be an extended rebuild. Sox were going all-in to get Machado in 2019, getting him now would quadruple Sox odds to land him. Abreu n Avi r staying sure hope Manny joins them. Chisox 2020 W.S. Champs
Why would the rebuilding White Sox trade for a rental player? Trading for him now doesn’t make him any more likely to stay in 2019 and beyond.
I agree that he’s not signing with the White Sox, but it’s a possibility he could sign with the right team
with the right amount of money! It prob won’t happen, but it could .
He’s not gonna take an extension.
Like I said, he could if the situation was RIGHT! But don’t confuse possibility with probability
The right situation would be like 13 years, $500m with an opt out after every year
But that’s a POSSIBILITY correct? Unless you are Machados agent or any kind of agent , I don’t believe you or I have any say so to what these guys do! So it’s all opinion !
Just like it’s a fact that he’s better off waiting for free agency.
THURSDAY, 2:53am: Nightengale reports in another tweet that the Orioles are “moving aggressively” on trade talks involving Machado, noting that Baltimore believes they can move him by the end of the week.