If the Yankees win the World Series this season, C.C. Sabathia will take it as the perfect ending to his 18-year career. “I want one more parade and pretty sure that will be it,” the veteran southpaw tells George A. King III of the New York Post. Sabathia also added that he would’ve retired had the Yankees won last year’s World Series, rather than suffer a tough Game Seven loss to the Astros in the ALCS.
Sabathia turns 38 in July, so retirement was coming sooner rather than later for the former AL Cy Young Award winner. Should the Yankees again fall short in the playoffs, of course, the obvious question would be if Sabathia would be willing to stick around for one more year, since New York’s contention window doesn’t seem to be closing anytime in the foreseeable future. Health concerns will be paramount for a pitcher who has dealt with significant knee problems during his career (plus smaller but still-notable issues with his elbow, hamstring, groin, and hip), though in terms of performance, Sabathia is still a quality asset on the mound.
This late-career revival seemed unlikely at the height of Sabathia’s injury woes, when his knee injuries limited him to just 46 innings in 2014. At the time, it seemed as if Sabathia’s career would end after his five-year, $122MM extension with the Yankees was up, though a lack of shoulder-related injuries caused his $25MM option for 2017 to vest, and he managed to return as a solid, innings-eater at the back of New York’s rotation. He posted a 4.12 ERA, 7.4 K/9, and 2.48 K/BB rate over 495 2/3 innings from 2015-17, topping it off with a 2.37 ERA over 19 postseason frames last October.
There seemed little doubt of a reunion between Sabathia and the Yankees last winter, and sure enough, the left-hander rejoined the team on a one-year, $10MM contract. Thus far, Sabathia actually has the lowest ERA (1.39) of any New York hurler with more than two innings pitched, though he has received quite a bit of BABIP (.211) and strand rate (81.4%) luck thus far. Even ERA predictors, however, still paint a respectable picture (3.60 FIP, 4.42 xFIP, 4.20 SIERA) of the veteran’s performance this season. Sabathia’s strong start has been particularly helpful for a Yankees rotation that has seen Sonny Gray struggle badly, and Jordan Montgomery head to the DL with a flexor strain.
Guess he’ll be back for another year
Pitching til he is 80.
waist size? too late.
Hey it’s too early to call anyone the favorites but they are playing extremely well with a number of guys hurt or under performing. Stanton, Gray and Sanchez are all playing below their usual stat quo right now,
They just ran thru the Indians, Astros, Angels and Blue Jays.. Those teams have a combined .561 win % and the Yanks went 12-2. That’s pretty good. But we’ll see.
Can’t wait to see you in 2019 then!
Wouldn’t be so sure about that after the Yankees just rolled straight through Cleveland and Houston, their biggest competition in the AL to reach the WS. We will see if they do the same to Boston. Getting 09 vibes with all these walkoffs.
It’s still just May. Let’s talk in late August or September.
I’m a Yankee fan and I’m sure even Yankees management know that nothing is assured. Even having the best team in the game is a guarantee of nothing.
True. Time to enjoy and hope everyone comes back healthy with no new significant injuries. Most important player on the two teams in my view is Kimbrel. Only one that is irreplaceable.
The only one that is irreplaceable? On both teams? Really?
Pretty sure he meant the only player that doesn’t have a quality in house replacement to take his place if an injury were to happen. At least I think that is what he is trying to say. However, I would argue the same could be said for Sanchez, Severino, and Sale. Probably an even bigger case can be made for those players seeing as how Carson Smith has closing experience and is pitching extremely well right now. Joe Kelly also seems built to be a closer. Imo he would handle the job well if given the opportunity.
The craziest part of this article is that it made me realize this is his 10th season as a Yankees — dude’s had a good career.
A HOF career.
We finally agree.^^^
Water under that proverbial bridge my man..
Look at all the Trolls that showed up and punched the clock on this one…
A HOF type career. Many other recent greats not yet in, like Schilling and Mussina.
You can’t compare pitchers who had long careers who managed to relatively stay healthy to a star like Sabathia. The big difference that I can see is that Mussina and Schilling, although very good and top tier pitchers were never seen as one of the top handful of pitchers at any given time. Mussina only came close to a Cy Young once. I don’t think he even finished in the top 5 any other year. Sabathia has been a true #1 for most of his career and his short stint in Milwaukee back in 2008 (I think) was utter dominance.
Yeah we’d all retire today if we became Yankee Champions lol
I said it before. This sucks. I just want the guy to get 11 wins and 131 strikeouts so he can have 250 wins and 3000 strikeouts. Would help his HOF résumé with the Naysayers. Maybe even more than 2x champ! But I’ll take the championship lol
I think he will get in, although it will likely take a few years. His numbers are pretty much there, and he will get a lot of love from the old school voters. I’m actually hoping they do win it all and he doesn’t retire though. He’s reminding me of Moose, who like CC was one of the most dominant pitchers of his era in his prime, had some tough years adjusting to a decrease in stuff, but then found his niche and learned to be a very good pitcher with limited velocity. Obviously his numbers this year will not stay as great as they are, but I think he will have a better year than last year which was pretty good.
Tom E. Snyder
Who will retire first–CC or Bartolo? 😉
“Who will retire first-CC or Bartolo?”
My money is on CC. He’s made >twice as much $ and has one less family to support. Colon may actually need the income.
You mean which over the hill dough boy will give it up first?
Ironic that you would choose Colon to compare to CC.
So he is likely to do something in the unlikely event something else occurs. Ok then. I am likely to buy a new car, if I get a lottery ticket worth more than $100,000. Lol
What kind of car?
Cub fan wins 1 in 100 years, and thinks he has a right to tell a guy who earned the right to dictate how he wants to retire, how unlikely his dream of going out a champ is. (a la Carlos Beltran)
Can’t fault CC for wanting to go out his own way. I’m guessing it happens to be a more likely 2018 scenario, than your Chicago Cubs (Full Disclosure: I’m biased)
Your bias is always clear in your ramblings, no need to mention it.
Do you know the definition of rambling?
You’re the one rambling right now. You a Cubs’ fan? No
Ed Sox fan trolling CC thread? Yes
X-these trolls on here are thicker then fleas on a hound dog. Of course when your on a certain article about a team it’s fans will show loyalty..or bias if one wants to call it that. That’s the very definition of fandom.
On a way funnier note, did you see that routine ball Schwarber missed against the Cards yesterday? Cost them the game my-man. Could see the Cubs in third looking up this year with that staff.
This just in CC likely to retire regardless of if the Yankees win the World Series or not
I don’t know. If he continues to pitch to even half the stats he’s put up so far, there will be many teams willing to hand him a reasonable contract. A guy who can log 150 IP and a 4.00ERA still has value, particularly a well-respected veteran who has a lot to give back to younger players.
I’ve heard it mentioned that the team assigns young up-and-coming pitchers to the locker next to him, for example, in the hopes of them forging mentoring relationships. I believe last year it was Severino, and this past spring it was minor leaguer Justus Sheffield.
He’ll be playing till he dies if he waits for THAT pipe dream.
Ya, because the Yankees have never won a World Series.
You should use that same logic to invest by.
Hey Vinny, up your nose with a rubber hose.
You supply the powder….
Yankees arnt even the best team in the al east let alone MLB.
Considering how the Yankees have been beating the top teams in the AL even though they’re still not at full strength and the Red Sox only have a 1 game lead in the east despite playing a ton of games against the dregs of baseball, it’s clear the Yankeees are the better team. Don’t be surprised when the Yankees have a 2 game lead in the east after Thursday
If that’s your excuse you’d have to factor in that other teams aren’t “at full strength” either .. Indians take 2 out of 3 if Andrew Miller was healthy .. fact
Also, in a playoff series, Yankees don’t get to see weakness of Astros pen.. they’d be facing 4 and 5 starters instead .. and we know how soft they look against good starting pitching
“and we know how soft they look against good starting pitching” so Houston’s staff is garbage huh. So in the playoffs all five pitchers on a staff start, that’s just not the way it works mb. Here’s a “.. fact” you are really uninformed about baseball.
The larger point is that the Red Sox got their division leading record by beating up on the worst teams (and have since played more average ball against bad teams like the Rays, A’s, and Royals). Meanwhile, the Yankees got to within 1 game of them by beating up the best teams– the Jays, Indians, Twins, Astros, and Angels.
That said, the Yankees got off to a rough start because they couldn’t beat the worst teams (Rays, Orioles, Marlins).
So all in all, there’s not nearly enough of a sample size to determine which team is better. It’s only May. Let’s wait until July at least before we start seriously debating who is the better team.
Or at least until the end of this week when after they face off against each other.
They couldn’t touch Astros starters .. did you watch any of the games? They scored on their awful bullpen.. again, those guys aren’t stepping foot into a close game in the playoffs .. the Astros bullpen will have Morton and/or McCullers in it in a series plus whoever they add .. these guys are starters that give the Yankees nightmares .. Maybe you missed last years playoff series against the Astros too? Get a clue
and which yankees pitchers did the astros hitters touched during the past series…and everyone saw the playoff series last year, it went to game 7, oh the carnage and nightmare. The astros scored 20 runs and the yankees scored 22, what a juggernaut smashing….
Yeah the Yankees starters averaged about 5.2 innings and turned it over to the pen that was dominant .. also cannot expect Tanaka to pitch lights out again.. he’s just not that good .. Yankees need two legit aces to be favorites .. ‘pen is not looking as good as last year either .. if you’re objective you’d admit as much .. the SP advantage is heavily in Astros favor .. I’m not an Astros fan.. being objective here
so you went from saying the yankees were having nightmares about the astros starters to now the yankees needing 2 aces to be favorities… you goal post are moving pretty quickly. Its impossible to debate whose favorite in the playoffs in may but looking at last years playoffs and this past series, the yankees are/were def not having nightmares about the astros. And why cant tanaka pitch lights out against the astros again, he just did it…so did you not watch the games? He was dealing against the same astros till two bloop singles and a nonexistent HBP in the sixth. And sure the astros have the SP advantage but the yankees have the lineup and bullpen advantage. And I would argue severino and chapman are way better this year.
so you went from saying the yankees were having nightmares about the astros starters to now the yankees needing 2 aces to be favorities… you goal post are moving pretty quickly. Its impossible to debate whose favorite in the playoffs in may but looking at last years playoffs and this past series, the yankees are/were def not having nightmares about the astros. And why cant tanaka pitch lights out against the astros again, he just did it…so did you not watch the games? He was dealing against the same astros till two bloop singles and a nonexistent HBP in the sixth. And sure the astros have the SP advantage but the yankees have the lineup and bullpen advantage. And I would argue severino and chapman are significantly better this year.
also tanaka is 9th in WAR for pitchers since 2014 so if hes just not that good, most of the league is just not that good either.
*and it was actually the 7th when he allowed the 2 bloop singles and the “HBP”
and another thing, i just looked it up. Yankees starters averaged 5.2 inn in the playoff series and the astros averaged 6 inn, oh what domination!
Lets not forget that Stanton is having “issues” while he’s healthy. The season is early & everyone knows how tough it is for him to stay healthy & on the field.
Dude…they won games started by Verlander, Keuchel and McCulllers and ran thru their pen. Give the Yanks credit for hitting and pitching well of late,
Care to explain that gibberish.
That’s my point.. they won those games because the Astros bullpen is awful .. in a series, you’re not seeing their pen.. you’ll get getting Morton or McCullers, guys Yankees can not touch .. as good as Yankees offense is, they go to sleep against good pitchers .. everyone on the team is easily pitched to for top of the line SP except Didi.. only scary hitter in their lineup
So your argument is Yankees SP is comparable to Astros? lol you should use the name “pieinthesky” instead ..
I’m sure Matt Harvey has a good WAR when you go back to 2014 too lol Tanaka’s ERA is 4.5 this year and was almost 5 last year .. meaningless to you? Of course he’s gonna have decent games once in awhile .. law of averages says so .. can’t count on him.. can’t count on Gray.. you buyin CC to keep this up? Severino looks legit .. who else though?
You’re all over the place, stick to one narrative. Maybe just maybe your ramblings will have a chance to make .01 percent of sense.
Thegreatlogicfamine.. I’m addressing separate replies.. can you not handle more than one idea at a time?
CC has been great and re-invented himself .. if you’re expecting this to continue, I’d be careful .. my whole point from the beginning was that the Astros SP is clearly better than the Yankees .. all these wins the Yankees have had have come again bullpens .. they didn’t do a thing against the Astros until their starters were out .. in the playoffs, and who knows if they even meet, the Astros put their bottom of the rotation guys in the pen like most teams do .. they happen to be far deeper than most teams and the Yankees cannot seem to solve them.. doesn’t matter who they run out there .. you won’t be seeing Giles unless it’s a blowout ..
I’m not only basing Tanaka on this year .. look at him last year .. he was brutal sans a couple good starts in the playoffs .. do you trust that?
I wouldn’t trust this Yankees staff in a series, regardless of what they did last year .. AND their bullpen has been very shaky this year .. it’s not a recipe for success .. yes, the Yankees are on fire .. clearly, if they hit like this it’ll be tough for anyone to beat them.. BUT, if they come back down to earth, their SP will not hold up as presently constituted
I mean its all a crapshoot once the playoffs starts but I think you are underrating the yankees as a whole. Astros have the better starting pitching but their offense is pretty underwhelming among the elite teams. Also, the yankees did get to morton and keuchel in the second game so it wasnt a total domination. Severino also pitched pretty badly in that series too so i would think he would do better this time around.
Like i said, tanaka has been pretty much good to semi elite his whole career except for the first half of last year. His WHIP in the second half was 1.06. I actually would trust him more in the playoffs than in a regular season game.
But either or, all this “analysis” is just fan fiction at this point until the playoffs (if the yankees make it of course). Good discussion tho and props to keeping it civil.
Wow 101, how did you come up with your assessment? There is an autocorrect feature to this site that changes simple minded predictions when simple statistics change.
FYI-the schedule maker gage your team a cream puff schedule for the first two weeks of the season. Hence the great start.
Can’t wait til September when it bites you back though.
What is undeniable is that the Yankee team is not the same from the first RS series. The kids at 3B and 2B are going to light up Sox pitching.
Wonder if $$Price calls it quits when he is ticked off the mound this week? If not, then he is skipping a start or gong on the DL.
I can see him and B. Gardner retiring after the WS win. People can keep doubting the Yankees, but sooner or later there will be no more room for doubt
I don’t know if it’s doubt, it’s just that there’s probably 5-6 teams that you can make a good argument for World Series favorites, plus teams like the Braves, Mets, Angels, and DBacks who may or may not be the real deal. Add in the fact that the World Series is very hard to win since it’s more about who is the hottest team, and it even harder to pick a favorite
Mets started out 11-1, but have lost 14 of 20.
Yankees meanwhile are in a 15-1 stretch, which matches best stretch since 1980. Their 24-10 is best start since 2003.
15-1 against division leaders vs all three teams they faced last October plus the angels who are actually leading the Al West
That doesn’t change the fact that the playoffs are pretty much a crapshoot
The Mets gave no pitching. Nothing sustainable anyway. The team is folding like a house of cards.
Mets are toast .. need to blow it up
It’s always good to hear from one of the Peanut-Gallery!!!
Yanks are fun to watch and a great team but I can’t help thinking they will regret having not traded for gerritt cole. The rotation is decent but pales when compared to astros and bosox.Go Yanks!
And you want to be my latex salesman….
Uhh yeah so would I.
That’s understandable. He’s had a long, and really good career, and The Yankees have a good chance to win it all this year, so why not go out on-top?
They should have won the World Series last year.
Alot of salty Yankees fans mashing the downvote button.
A lot of trolling broheim.
CC is a serviceable 5th starter even the next few years. Or could transition into a long reliever if he’s really interested in going out as a champ if it doesn’t happen this year.
The parity in baseball is really getting small. There’s only a handful of teams that have a legitimate chance at winning it all. It’s not quite as bad a basketball or football right now. But it’s still a 10-12 team race
Guess this is CC’s last season then, 2018 Champion Yankees !