JULY 21: There is “significant interest” in Archer, according to FOX Sports’ Ken Rosenthal (video link), though he doesn’t specify which teams are pursuing him. Regardless, there’s no guarantee a trade will happen, as Rosenthal says the pitcher “would almost certainly need to show” a return to form in his final two pre-deadline starts for a deal to occur.
JULY 20: Rays starter Chris Archer has been one of the most consistently discussed potential trade chips in baseball for several years, yet he has stayed in Tampa Bay even as many rotation mates have been traded away. Now, though, it could finally be time for a deal to go down, Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times writes.
Archer, who turns 30 later this season, expressed a desire to “experience winning” in comments to Topkin. Though Archer chose his words carefully and hardly issued anything approaching a trade demand, the right-hander perhaps at least hinted that it might be best for the sides to part ways — depending, at least, upon the Tampa Bay organization’s intentions. As he put it:
“If I’m going to be here. I want the process of not going to the playoffs to be expedited. … I’ve seen the transition. I’m not saying I’m not happy, but I know that we are still transitioning. And the faster we can speed that up and get back to the 2008 through ’13, ’14 days, the better.”
Ratcheting up the contention timeline hardly appears to be the present priority for a Rays front office that has been hard at work moving large contracts and adding future-oriented assets. While the team’s solid play has been quite a pleasant surprise, the postseason seems out of reach in a monumentally stratified American League.
It came as no great surprise, then, when the Rays shipped out Alex Colome and Denard Span earlier in the season. And the club’s focus at the trade deadline figures to be on finding homes for a few pending free agents while also weighing bigger potential swaps. With the Rays having perhaps already placed emergent starter Blake Snell out of reach, the attention seems likely to end up on Archer.
To be sure, Archer has not been at his best this year — or, in truth, for the past two seasons either. Despite still-strong K/BB numbers, continued mid-nineties velocity, and a steady ~12-13% swinging-strike rate, Archer has allowed more than four earned per nine since the start of 2016. And this year, he’s allowing hard contact at a career-worst 41.5% rate.
Along with the less-than-exciting results, the cheapest years of Archer’s early-career extension are now in the past. But he certainly still remains a respected arm who comes with an appealing price tag. The deal promises him $7.5MM next year and includes $9MM and $11MM options that come with $2MM in cumulative buyouts.
With the end of the deal now in sight, and Archer no longer nearly the incredible value as he once was, the stars could be lining up for a move. It doesn’t hurt that, given the shabby state of the market for rental starters, teams in search of higher-end arms will be forced to go after pitchers whose present clubs are not compelled to make a move. That could drive prices up, though at some point there’ll presumably also be enough demand to interest one or more selling organization. Archer is one of several starters in the same general boat, as we covered in our recent ranking of the 75 top deadline trade candidates.
As Topkin notes, at the end of the day the Rays will need to see enough of a return to make it worth their while to part with a player who still holds plenty of upside. Particularly given that Archer only just returned from the DL, his next few outings my help determine whether another organization puts a compelling offer on the table.
Someone will way over bid for him, Watch.
StLouis Cardinals
The guy is not even a .500 pitcher and everyone thinks he is the answer. That’s what the Yankees; thought when they signed Sonny Gray.
So tiring seeing people try n use W-L to determine pitcher value
No Mlb team does
All about the whip era hitsper 9 ect
They didn’t sign sonny gray, they traded for him. I honestly never even look at a pitchers’ win-loss record. Ever.
They traded for sonny Gray. They didnt sign him. He’s an good as gone as soon as his contract is done.
If a pitcher goes out and allows 2 runs in 6 innings on a terrible offensive team then they get the LOSS. That same pitcher allows 2 runs in 6 innings on the Yankees or Red Sox or Astros or Cubs or Dodgers then they r all stars. Win/Loss means zero. Scouts r paid for a reason.
Archer will still somehow, some way end up with the cubs.
They should have never traded. They 1 overpaid for matt Garza. Who was very average at best his whole career. When you trade Jason Barlett originally for matt Garza. You later dont trade 5 players for 1. 3 players. Proved be decent to pretty good.
Agreed. I’m sure the Cubs would obviously prefer DeGrom, but I’m sure the Mets will ask for all 8 starting position players, the rights to all revenue Wrigley Field generates for 10 years, Theo’s kids, Theo’s wife, Theo’s family dog, Theo’s house, and the outfield ivy.
Thanks for the laugh djones – I think you are close to correct on this.
And Mets fans would still that’s not enough for DeGrom
No no no no. He’s no better than Montgomery and he’s only regressing
You managed to get two things wrong there
So archer is not regressing? The stats are wrong?
He’ll be a cub guaranteed.
As long as they dont trade from the 25 man roster. I’d rather have Ethan Eovaldi younger and more control.
Eovaldi is a free agent coming this offseason
Also his name is Nathan not Ethan lol
Auto correct changed it to Ethan from nathan.
They have to trade from the 25 man roster, not enough value from minors. Trades will start with Happ and Montgomery
And Nathan is fresh off his second Tommy john. So glad he is having a stand out year, but from watching him he is as frustrating to watch as other pitchers who “have the stuff” but never got it together.
Exactly. He has the “stuff” to be great but his fastball has zero movement. That is why he seemed to constantly get rocked in the past. He needs to work with someone like Rich Hill and learn different grips and how to put variations of spin on the ball.
They only have low level prospects available. Theo has spent the upper farm.
I was going to say the same thing. If the cubs wanted a top notch player low level prospects won’t do it. I’m curious of who they would trade for a guy like archer if they do have anyone.
And I don’t think a trade starting with Montgomery and happ isn’t strong Anouilh for a guy who has cy young stuff in my opinion
Enough* lol
Why would the Cubs trade Montgomery for archer? And Cy young stuff? Seriously?
You guys have no clue and are merely guessing at what you think would be acceptable from the Cubs farm. But they aren’t interested in him anyway,
No offense, but he was the one who signed the extension taking himself into possible FA years with an organization that always trades away their top starters each time they develop them. It’s not like he couldn’t have seen the writing on the wall.
Didn’t seem like he was complaining. He has an opinion sure, but who doesn’t?
I get the impression from his statements that he expected they were going to try and build a winning club rather than continue to retool for the next three decades.
Rays have been pretty much retooling since the organization was founded. i remember them spending heavy 1 time pretty much right after they were founded a few years when they spent for Greg Vaugn, Vinny castillo, Canseco and a few other aging veterans. many never produced and attendance was dismal, so the team ceased spending period then and it never did really get any FA of quality after that of name “brand” so to say.
“i remember them spending heavy 1 time”
That was their first owner.
Can blame the kid for wanting to win. Yeah playing a game for millions of dollars is cool, but these guys are competitive, losing isn’t fun!
A player who is actually competitive would try to turn a losing team into a winning team.
Crying your way off of a losing team onto a winning isn’t being “competitive”.
I’m not saying that is what Archer is doing here…just a general statement.
It’s not a Disney movie. He sees the state of the AL and the state of their roster and he’s just one guy.
I specifically said I wasn’t talking about Archer. But, I’ll say again for those who evidently don’t like to hear this…
Crying your way off of a losing team onto a winning team isn’t being “competitive”.
It can be a smart move. It can be 100% justified. It can be many things, but’s it’s not being “competitive”. It’s literally “if you can’t BEAT them, join them.” Accepting your inability to beat them isn’t being competitive.
This isn’t the NBA where one player can carry a team on his back. Athletes by nature are competitive. Wanting to go to a winning team is part of being competitive. He wants to win. He could throw no-hitters and win every time out but if he only makes 33 starts a year it doesn’t even guarantee a winning record for the team. Wanting to win is a part of being competitive and you saying anything else is redirecting away from that fact.
You can be the greatest pitcher in the league and your team has a good shot at winning maybe 35 games out of season. He can’t even effect the number of run support he gets. It’s the FO responsibility, not just Archer.
Yeah, he should have not signed the extension with the team he was forced onto for years and instead should have forgone the life altering money and risked getting nothing if he were to get injured. That way, he could have maybe picked what team he went to.
I see a lot of Sonny Gray in Chris Archer…buyer beware!!!
I agree, I’ve been saying it this for years but everyone always talks about his contract. Big deal how much or little he gets paid when he sucks
He doesn’t suck. He’s just not an ace. I would say he’s a solid 3 who gives you innings and can dominate at times.
Agree
Maybe the Rays just didn’t receive sufficient offers, but from the outside it seems like they really botched the Archer situation. They’ve seemed to care more about saving money and treading water than winning for a few years now so I wouldn’t really believe that they wanted to keep him and contend, and if they would have traded him a few years ago they could have gotten a substantial return. They’ll definitely still get a pretty good return for him if they deal him soon, but they could have gotten a lot more a year or two ago.
Should have sold high on him. I can’t imagine the bevy of prospects they could have had.
If they traded him to the Cubs after the 2015 season when the Cubs still had Gleyber Torres, Eloy Jimenez, and Dylan Cease in their organization it would have been well within the realm of possibility that the Rays could have received all 3 plus others in exchange for Archer
If they would have been offered that at the time and taken it, they probably would blasted worse than they were for taking adames for Price. people on this stlite take propsect rankings as the law and none of those 3 were ranked very high at the time
I think the Rays have shown over the years that they don’t care what the public has to say about their trades. They have always done well when scouting players in the low levels of the minors and receiving that much talent would have been a huge steal. When teams worry about what the public thinks of them too much they turn into the Mets
“None of those 3 were ranked very high at the time”? After the 2015 season Torres and Jimenez were both top 25 prospects. The Cubs had another top 25 in Happ and the previous year McKinney was a top 25 before he was traded to the Yankees and fell off a cliff in 2016. Torres and Jimenez in 2016 would have been enough to match what the White Sox got for Sale. So, it would have been more than enough for Archer. The reason he wasn’t traded is because he is not worth anywhere close to what Sale brought back and that is what the Rays are expecting.
He’s gotta be one of the most overrated players in baseball
110% agreed. With Carlos Martinez right behind.
Carlos Martinez is definitely not overrated
oh, he is overrated and overhyped.
Martinez is not overrated, he’s a stud.
Martinez looks like his last name should be Zambrano. One common thing for both of them, other than their first name, they are both a headcase!
He is overrated too but I’d take Martinez over Archer any day
And Bryce Harper
I wouldn’t call Bryce over rated. We’ve seen what he can do. He has more talent than most, he’s just inconsistent.
Almost positive that’s the definition of overrated. Given credit to perform at a higher level than he consistently performs at.
The hallmark of great players is being able to do it year after year. The record books are filled with guys who had 1 or 2 great years and were good to average the rest of the time. That is what Harper has been to this point in his career. As a Giants fan this scares me, because every day on the radio out here they are talking about the Giants have been trying to stay under the tax to throw a ton of money at him, which is a horrible idea imo.
The difference being that’s Harper’s “bad” years are still not actually that bad.
“Almost positive that’s the definition of overrated. Given credit to perform at a higher level than he consistently performs at.”
What has Chris Archer ever done? He’s discussed as if he was a Cy Young winner.
Bryce Harper has been an MVP.
Most hitters have inconsistent months,. Harper has inconsistent seasons. It’s kind of mind boggling to see a player play at a 9 to 10 WAR clip one season and then regress to a 2 to 2.5 WAR the next season.
Harper is a great “change of scenery” candidate.
Philly gets the best out of a position player.
Mike Schmidt probably would have finished with 30 less career WAR if he had played for the Dodgers.
Or have a negative WAR like the -0.6 he is rolling out this year.
That looks like an error. No way I can wrap my head around Harper being a -1.7 dWAR in the first half of the season.
I just recently watched Harper in CF and he looked good there.
If that number is real and continues Harper would be a -3.0 dWAR outfielder. I don’t think Ryan Howard racked up a negative that high.
If you’re inconsistent, and people regard you as a God-like player, then in my opinion, that makes you overrated.
All I know is, if the game is on the line, I don’t want Bryce Harper anywhere near the plate, with a helmet on and holding a bat.
He’s a whiff machine.
He’s had one great season, otherwise, he’s average at best. Overrated, yes. He’s proven he is, year after year.
Give me Mike Trout with the game on the line.
Only in July
Yes!!!
…Mariners? Serious question. Maybe for Evan White and a live MLB-ready pen arm like Matt Festa? I’m not exactly advocating for it, and Evan White is a small glimmer of a fraction of something bright in the abysmal darkness that is the Mariners dark, but I don’t believe Jerry Dipoto is done with the rotation. We will see!
No chance the Rays would do that
You’d need to give up quite a bit more… like Kyle Lewis and…. Julio Rodriguez and that might get it done
La angels will get him without question. You guys tripping.
They sure messed up the timing here. Their not gonna legitimately contend until his deals up so get max value for him now. Waited to long as it is
This just isn’t true. The Rays current run differential puts them in the conversation for the 5th best team in the AL right now. The vast majority of their core is in their 20s, with most under 27, and under contract/team control for multiples seasons after this one. They have a top 3 farm system that is full of quality prospects in AA/AAA. They also are working on plans in Tampa to build a new state of the art stadium in the area’s population center and are about to start a new $1.2 billion tv deal that will be a huge improvement to their revenue streams.
The Rays are on the cusp of a long window to win and have a very bright future that could be here as early as next season. Unless a team comes in and makes an offer the Rays just can’t refuse, keeping Archer makes a lot of sense to this franchise.
Yankees and Red Sox having fire sales this summer?
Exactly lol
I agreed with that before this season but with continued average results I’m ok with seeing him go. Probably to the Cubs and Maddon. Happ and Caratini?
See, you said my comment wasn’t true and then rambled about something else. I didn’t say rays don’t have a bright future, good young players at all levels, or even the potential new stadium (not relevant, TV deal won’t change who they are)… Archer is controllable for 3 more years after this one, and that’s just not when their window is going to open its largest. Get max value now before he has one year left and you can’t trade him because your trying to contend is all i meant. Your kidding yourself if you think rays are legit contenders the next 3 or so years
I like the idea of the Braves trading for Archer but the Braves bullpin is the real need. Archer is a luxury. Still though, it scares me to think of the price tag he comes with.
The braves would be better off getting a true #1 starter.
I would hate to give up any of the top 10 for him! Which likely means the Braves wouldn’t get him…He has struggled too much the last 2 seasons to give up a lot for him!
They will have to give 2 out of the top 10 for Archer. Most like 5-10. But unfortunately that’s what he is worth. As a Braves fan I think it would be a good id a to trade for him. I would rather get Archer, who has Ace stuff, than over pay for Fulmer, who doesn’t!
Get de Grom.
De Grom is the real deal while Archer is a pretender.
I DON’T want the braves to trade for Archer, Fulmer, or Stroman. If the Braves are dead set on trading serious talent for a starting pitcher the deGrom should be the only real name in the discussion.
I know a lot of commenters give Casey flack, but he is right calling deGrom “the real deal”.
Casey is always right.
It’s like Casey has supernatural powers.
Casey is the best at humility.
I agree deGrom is a legit real deal ACE. But the Return for him would be big. I would think that 2 from 5-10 for Archer (who is a solid #2 starter) would set the Braves up nice for a run. They would still need to find an Ace and another bat for next year. But
Foltynewicz
Archer
Newcomb
Soroka
Teheran/Gohara/Wright
Seems like a good rotation
If the Braves pick up deGrom the prudent thing to do would be to trade Teheran who is going to be paid $11 million next year. Not a bad deal but 1. they don’t really need him with all this talent, 2. His value isn’t going to be any higher than now. I think Soroka is ready. Then they only need to fill out the fifth position with any number of starters like Gohara or Wright as you have indicated. It’s hard to say what they will have left after a trade for deGrom but they also have Kolby Allard, Wes Parsons, Max Fried, Touki Toussaint (he could start out at AAA), and Patrick Weigel who will be coming back from surgery. The Braves are loaded.
I don’t like the idea of the Braves trading for another 2-5 starter either. It doesn’t make sense. Why not trade for a #1? They already have a huge number of 2-5 starters coming up. The only way teams win it all is with superior talent.
You do realize that Touki Toussaint has been promoted a couple of weeks ago to AAA. He is off to a good start there as well.
Archer and Fulmer are in the same boat. They both came up and we’re great for a year or two. They are both trending in the wrong direction. Neither is worth what it would take to get them. If the Braves give up a top prospect(s) for either of them I will be thoroughly upset. We either need to hold prospects or trade for a truly great pitcher. Not guys that kinda sorta were potentially great at one time like those two
I wish I could Super like this
Referring to Southi’s comment
I would like to see the Braves make a trade with the Yankees for Sonny Gray. They always seem to get the best out of pitchers. He reminds me of Javy Vazquez, who had his career year in Atlanta and his 2 worst years pitching for the Yankees. At this point the Yankees have to be ready to move on and accept the fact that he can’t pitch in NY. His stock is probably down past the point of getting someone like Fried for him but perhaps they could get Wentz and a lottery ticket.
Gray still has the arsenal that made him a solid pitcher in Oakland and whichever small/mid market GM that makes the trade for him is going to look like a genius when he returns to his prior self after getting out of New York. Just my humble opinion but one I hope is correct.
Sorry about going off the topic of the post but I have seen a few Braves fans talking about Archer and his high cost. Gray strikes me as a solid alternative who I think might be a better pitcher and cheaper option (if Cashman is ready to dump him that is.)
For Toussaint and a lottery ticket low level guy the Braves can have Gray.
Any other FA starter with a good arm will cost you more than $30mil (that Archer is owed) on the open market.
I think the Brewers should be looking into Archer, depending on the cost. Is he the Ace they need, not right now he isn’t. But he might need a change of scenery at this point, like Gerrit Cole. And even if he doesn’t quite return to old form, he can still be their #2 and that would be an upgrade.
He is not now an ace, nor has he ever been one. The only reason people think that is because the media has has some unexplainable agenda about making this guy seem like he is better than the numbers he puts up. At his best he was a number 2, now he is more of a 3 or 4 on a good team.
Spot on Snotrocket. Although, I don’t think many saw him as a true #1 his contract made him a very valuable #2. If you paired him with Sale in Boston or Severino in New York he could still be a #2. With their bat’s all they need is a solid pitcher who can routinely go 7 innings while giving up 3 runs or less. Basically, a 3.59 FIP would make a good #2 for teams like them. Archer would be a nice addition to either team and would fill a big hole but as with Price a few years ago Tampa does not trade their TOR pitchers within the division.
I think some guys just get bored with losing. A move to a successful club could potentially bring Archer back to life.
Dear Braves, PLEASE NO!!
This isn’t relevant but you heard it here first: Josh Ockimey and an organizational 20-30 prospect from the Red Sox for Mychal Givens. The exception to this would be if Britton is dealt with him in a package.
I feel like Givens would fetch a lot more than that. But if the price tag is that low, I’d want the Indians in on him.
Yeah, you’d think he’d have more value. I just have an odd hunch. I’m probably wrong.
Hey, who knows? It’s possible for sure. I’m used to the Indians trading massive hauls for relievers so I keep thinking Givens could get that much, but I imagine he’d definitely cost less. Still a lot, but less.
This is actually a guy I wouldn’t mind the Phillies going after for the cheap.. His underlying numbers are pretty solid, he’s cheap and controlled for a few more season. I know ERA as a total has been pretty mediocre for him BUT I’m willing to take a chance considering the aforementioned reasons.
The HR rate and GB% scare me a bit BUT 3.5 cheap years of control for a guy who’s still only half a season removed from a solid season? I’ll take that risk.
Offer up a package around Medina like offered for Machado.
Would the Phillies then go to a six man rotation so they could fit Archer?
Clint Frazier, justice Sheffield , Brandon Drury and Sonny Gray for Archer and Snell?
….lol. no
Joking I hope
What would baseball be like without yankees fans
I suppose he should’ve included Torres, Andujar, and either Sevy or Judge right ?
Gobbysteiner: So, the Yankees are the only team in baseball that has young uninformed fans that make outlandish trade proposals? Perhaps, you could take the time to write a few sentences to help educate them towards the relative value of prospects vs the actual cost for the players they would like to see acquired, instead of just making rude comments. Then just maybe, they could hopefully someday, be at your high and mighty level and could provide insightful thoughts to the discussion. Because, we all know you are the end all, be all, fountain of knowledge and we are all humbled to be in your presence. In the meantime, I hope you don’t get too lonely up there on your pedestal, all by yourself.
Cashman wouldn’t make that deal
He’s right that the faster he leaves the team the better the Rays will be. For some reason he’s the opening day pitcher every season even having the worst record. Would be funny if he was traded to a worse team
Why would a worse team trade for him?
Because that team thinks Archer is an ACE. Teams that think like that tend to be worse teams.
On some teams Archer would be an Ace. An ace is the best starting pitcher in a rotation. So, there are 30 Ace’s in baseball right now. That is why you see sport’s writers refer to pitchers like Archer and Chris Tillman a couple of years ago as ace’s. They were the best starters on their teams. What is harder to find is a true #1 starter. There are only about 5-6 in each league. That is why writers refer to pitching combo’s like Kershaw and Greinke (when they were both with the Dodgers a couple of years ago) as 1a and 1b pitchers, yet Kershaw was the Ace on that team. They were both seen as true #1 pitchers. Archer can definitely be an ace if he was traded to a team like the Marlins. However, he has never shown the ability to be a true #1, like Kershaw, Scherzer, Severino, or Sale.
If he wants to experience winning he should win more games. Archer is overrated.
I’ve watched Archer since he came to Tampa. Had one dominant half in 15 then proceeded to make excuses for his mediocrity. He isn’t happy since Maddon left even worse since Hickey. Great arm…..bad head but don’t tell the Cubs.
Yankees will get Archer
Good
No thank you. Don’t need another Sonny Gray in the rotation
If the Sox feel they need a pitcher Archer is signed through ’19.
The RSox could use Archer, Stroman or Happ.
I could foresee Happ as the lefty out of the pen that Price was
late last season.
Ockimey and an A or A+ prospect for either Givens , Brach or Britton.
I hadn’t heard that before until ConnorSox brought it up.
I completely made it up, but I think Ockimey has more value than people think he does.
But that’s not getting Britton.
I honestly never understood the hype over Archer. He’s had one 4 WAR season and he’s normally a 2 WAR pitcher. He has a strong k/9 but his walks often offset that. His FIP and ERA are usually in line with each other but it’s nothing earth shattering with regards to performance. He’s not a bad pitcher but he’s not a great one either. Honestly, he might be one of the most overrated starter pitchers in the game. I just don’t see an addition of Archer moving the needle for a club all that much.
Most importantly, he’s never pitched in a meaningful game in his life. There’s almost no guarantee that with his quirky personality, he just won’t melt. We’ve seen it before, when non-contending “stars” get traded to teams that are in the hunt.
That said, as 3rd starters go, you could do worse than Archer. He’s still relatively cheap, and capable of giving some good innings. The Brewers seem to me to a good fit, for a guy like Luke Ercerg maybe, and some other small pieces to keep the Rays fanbase (both of them) happy.
I love how this post points out that Archer has not been good for the past few seasons. I think even more than 2. He is far from an ace and will not be traded as long as TB thinks they are getting an Ace package back
As a Rays fan, I really think we need to trade him. Hasn’t been performing recently and we could still get alot for him. Snell is easily our future and we need to get solid pitching prospects in return for Archer. I’m sure as we get closer to the trade deadline teams will be willing to give up two quality prospects (at least one being a pitcher) for him.
Of course not, but those teams weren’t exactly throwing in the white towel from 08-13 when the Rays averaged 92 wins and made the playoffs 4 of 6 seasons. The Rays have been retooling the last handful of seasons, while staying on the periphery of contention, and are ready to open the window on another run. They are young, deep, and have the upper minor leagues full of quality prosepcts. The Rays are going to be good much sooner than most seem to realize.
Chris Archer is currently one of the top 20 SP in baseball and has the peripheral stats to suggest he could be one of the top 10 SP. He has an incredibly team friendly contract with about 3.5 years at $30 million remaining and the last 2 seasons being team options.
Over the past 2 years, here are Archer’s MLB ranks.
IP-18th, ERA-23rd, FIP-8th, xFIP-7th, SIERA-7th
K%-7th, K%-BB%-8th, K/BB-12th, fWAR-9th
Here are DeGrom’s and Archer’s stats over the last 2 years.
SP A: 370-IP, 10.51-K/9, 2.48-BB/9, 1.00-HR/9, 45.2-GB%
SP B: 369-IP, 10.54-K/9, 2.61-BB/9, 1.15-HR/9, 44.9-GB%
One of these pitchers is 30 years old with a history of arm injuries. He has thrown more than 190 IP twice in his career and has played in the NLE. He comes with 2.5 seasons of control at $30+ million. The other pitcher is 29 years old with no history of arm injuries. He has thrown more than 190 IP four straight seasons while playing in the ALE. He comes with 3.5 seasons of control at $30 million.
Archer’s value is closer to DeGrom’s than many here realize. People may dislike Archer for whatever reasons they want, but his combination of current results, team friendly contract and potential for better results is hugely valuable. I don’t see the Rays trading him for exactly these same reasons. However, if they did make a trade, I’d be shocked if the package wasn’t big with most here believing it to be a huge overpay by Archer’s new team.
I would love for the Braves to land Archer. I think he could still be a #1 Ace. But having him as a #2 would be great!
Comparing Archer to DeGrom is a joke
The only good thing about this guy is that he has good K/BB numbers. -13 under 500 and an ERA above 3.50 in his career. Some team will give up the farm for him… I only hope it isn’t the Brewers… they tried unsuccessfully this past winter to trade Santana for archer
“There is “significant interest” in Archer, according to FOX Sports’ Ken Rosenthal”
ROFLOL!
Archer’s ERA could sit above 6.00 and the Fearsome Foursome of trade rumors would allege that Archer was in demand and the package going back would have to be huge to get Tampa to move him.
Braves better be in the hunt for him. Good time to swipe. Won’t be cheap, but could be the cheapest we’ll see him. Throw 1 strong prospect in for him and another lower top 30, then a couple other random minor leaguers. Should be more than enough
He talks too much, alligator mouth hummingbird ass
What would I part with for Archer. Max Fried and Dustin Peterson? I don’t think this gets it done but then Archer isn’t as valuable as he was last year. You could keep him beyond 2018 but it gets more expensive. What’s more important than the money is the production. How much prospect capital do I want to see go away for a no. 2 starter declining into a no.3?
I see a lot of comparisons to Sonny Gray here, but Archer has significantly more value. Here are the stats of the two pitchers leading up to their trade deadlines. At this time last year, here are Gray’s stats leading up to the deadline and his remaining control.
Sonny Gray: 285-IP, 4.38-ERA, 4.09-FIP, 3.82 -xFIP with 2.5 years of control remaining
Chris Archer: 369-IP, 3.90-ERA, 3.42-FIP, 3.36-xFIP with 3.5 years of control remaining
Archer was siginificantly better leading up to the deadline and came with an extra year of control than Gray. Gray returned two 55FV and one 50 FV prospects. The minimum Archer would return would be the same, but even that seems light. When Sale was traded with 3 years of control his return was a 65 FV, a 55/60 FV, a 50 FV and a 45 FV. I would expect any Archer trade to fall somewhere in between these two trades. Think something like three 55 FV or a 60 FV, a 55 FV and a 50 FV. Few teams have this type of package to move and I don’t expect Archer to be traded.
I agree Archer is more valuable then Sonny Gray but when you said Archer was comparable to DeGrom a few days ago that was just silly
He wants to get back to their playoff days? He needs to realize they got a little tong talent from being horrible and picking early quite a few years, that doesn’t happen over night.
And as for Archer, I never got the huge interest in him, I always thought he was an above average starter but not among the best in the AL at all.
Archer would be perfect for the angels, they need a true ace. But do they have enough in their farm to pry him away.
Archer isn’t that good. Please Cubs, go get him.
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